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Tuesday, January 24, 2006, 4:46pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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So this morning, my roommate (Type B) who knows very little about nutrition starts arguing with me about fat intake.  She, like so much of the population  has been brainwashed to believe all fat is bad.  I was trying to explain to her the difference between fats and also explaining that the body needs fat.  She just kept saying that she believed a "low fat" diet needed to be 20g of fat or less per day.  I tried explaining to her that I don't think in terms of "grams".  I think in terms of what are whole foods for my body.  She wasn't wrapping her head around it.  She kept asking, "well how many grams of fat do you think you eat a day?"  I honestly have no idea, but I told her I guessed around 60g or so a day.  She about lost it.  WHAT?  THAT IS TOO MUCH FAT!  What are you thinking etc.....  I explained that my fats were olive oil, nuts, avocado and ghee for the most part.  Still wasn't getting it.  

If you had to quantify the fat you eat in a day, what would you guess your intake is?  How can I explain this to her in a way she might get?


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Looking forward to hearing from you Laura.  

Can anyone else tell me approximately how much fat you eat in a day?


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I eat about 30 grams of fat a day.  If it's a day I have peanut butter, then it's closer to 40 grams.

My fat comes from the small amounts in my proteins (soy, chicken, turkey, yogurt...), olive oil, organic "margarine" (made with neutral/bennie oils), and nuts or nut butters.  It is VERY important to include good fats in the diet - they are necessary for brain function just for one example. (Yeah I know preaching to the choir here.)

Low fat diets are too restrictive in fat and ignore the important differences in types of fat. That restriveness leads to a constant feeling of hunger - leading to binge eating - which is obviously not healthy. Fat has the highest saiety factor of the micronutrients - keeps you feeling 'full' the longest.

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Here's a link to the Women's Heart Foundation with information from the AHA (American Heart Association) guidelines for healthy daily fat consumption amounts.

http://www.womensheartfoundation.org/content/Nutrition/counting_fat_grams.asp
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I added it up on Fitday and it amounts to 60 to 70g.  It feels good.  Not too much and not too little.


Kombu noodles are DELICIOUS (and wheat-free)
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That's what feels right to me as well..
I'm trying to remember...somewhere in my history I have this memory of someone once advising 60 to 65g of fat per day.  I have no idea who or why that's in my head....but it is..........


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If it feels right, it probably is!  It's your body, you should know


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I know what feels good for me, but I was trying to help my roommate get out of her antiquated thinking about FAT!!!  She's stuck in the old mindset where the lower the fat, the better.


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Connect14 - I'll email my friend who is a nutritionist/PT and see if she has some info or links to articles that can help you convince your roomie

In the meantime... Here's an FDA site that says to "Add foods to your diet that are high in monounsaturated fats, such olive oil, canola oil, and seafood.
Eat foods containing polyunsaturated fats found in plants and seafood. Safflower oil and corn oil are high in polyunsaturated fats. "

http://www.fda.gov/opacom/lowlit/hlyheart.html

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organic "margarine" (made with neutral/bennie oils)


that s a new one!!! )
could you give us more detail, pls?
and what brand is that?

..........................
connect,
take your LRFYT book and calculate an aprox of all fats allowed for your type. (per day)

that would be more accurate, I think.




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Connect14 - I'll email my friend who is a nutritionist/PT and see if she has some info or links to articles that can help you convince your roomie

In the meantime... Here's an FDA site that says to "Add foods to your diet that are high in monounsaturated fats, such olive oil, canola oil, and seafood.
Eat foods containing polyunsaturated fats found in plants and seafood. Safflower oil and corn oil are high in polyunsaturated fats. "

http://www.fda.gov/opacom/lowlit/hlyheart.html


Thanks for the info Sandra, but it's my understanding that polyunsaturated fats are NOT good for us?  Safflower oil, sunflower oil and corn oil aren't good....I also thought Canola wasn't the best either, but maybe I am confused?  It's been known to happen!


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Hi connect14,

At one point I did try to track this and I had at least 30g per day.  However, I have since adhered more closely to the portion/frequency guidelines and so it is probably higher.  

I don't track it anymore, because frankly I don't care!  If I stick with the guidelines Dr. D set out and use whole foods, I feel great and look great.  

To help your argument with your roommate, I was going to suggest you look at the thread on Weston A. Price, but you started that thread!    So I guess you already have lots of info to guide you...


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Once upon a time I stayed on a very low fat diet for several weeks. Always under 20 gm, shooting for 10 gm. and getting there sometimes. It's not a pretty thing.

I have not counted since then, but suspect it's 60-90 most days since BTD.
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no idea how much fat i consume a day  

as to your room mate - my room mate (type O) lives of wheat, potatoes and milk with hardly any veg or fruit and hardly any protein.  she is also obese, smokes has asthma and does not take any exercise!

and what do i do - i leave her to it as she does with me.  

she knows her health is going to get worse, she is aware of my dietary choices which would also apply to her and the BTD as i have explained it all - once.  she knows where to find the books on the book shelf if she wants to have a look and she knows i'd gladly give her more information but at the moment she is not ready to take on board the message.

food is such an emotionally charged subject for so many people - in my experience it is best to let people get on with it.  just because you have seen the light it does not mean others will any time soon, no matter how much you care about them and want to help.  
 
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It still amazes me how people assume that fat makes you fat, just because some fad diet says so.  The irony is that fat is extremely necessary for cellular function.  Anyone on a low-fat diet is bound to get hit by the health hammer sooner or later.

It's not fat so much that makes you fat, but the WRONG fat that makes you fat.



DISCLAIMER:  The above information is garnered from personal experience.  This advice is not intended to replace that of a trained medical professional.  Although, personally, I wouldn't trust most trained medical professionals to have the knowledge or know-how to trim my toenails.
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true! : I used to eat about 20-30 grams of fat pr day- did I loose weight ?
NO I just felt awfull - it was mainly safflor and sunflower oil ( BAD for B´s)

Today I get around 50-75 grams of fat-(my eggs, milk etc included) BUT no wrong fats for a B !
I feel good and I have started to loose weight !
If I eat low fat today I get VERY hungry, moody and after a few days a real BAD headache !


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When Ornish got the fat content of his subjects down to very low levels, there were suicides by several of the elderly subjects.


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When Ornish got the fat content of his subjects down to very low levels, there were suicides by several of the elderly subjects.


not surpriced !


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Most people I know still think that low-fat will make them/keep them slim.  A lot of them are on low-fat diets that includes large amounts of wholewheat and rice and they aren't losing weight - instead they are gaining weight or, at best, staying the same.  The part I don't get is why they do not investigate alternatives.  If something clearly isn't working for you, why stick with it year after year?  I tried low-fat and high complex carb diets in the past as a means of staying thin.  When I noticed that far from staying thin I was actually starting to gain weight, I did my research and changed what I was eating.  It's hardly rocket science....


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Because ALL of us has been scared to beleive that ALL fats are dangerous for ALL of us......

I had this cake the other day at a friend´s house :
This is a fatfree cake from the slimming company she said:
It had  lots apartame, white whea , a bit of mayo ( made from corn oil and lots of bad chemicals), vanillIN not vanilla and a banana- it tasted like C....... I said I rather have the banana- she is a good friend And told her to make a real cake once a month or fortnight in stead of a C... one every week.


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30 grams is a figure that gets thrown around for weight reduction plans (not that I agree).  Even the USDA recommendation on a 2,000 calorie diet is less than 65 grams.  I'm usually up in the 50-60 gram range.

The brainwashing is unbelievable.  On another forum last week someone was asking that since sugar has no fat in it, can't they eat all the sugar they want and lose weight?  It went back and forth with people saying it was not a good idea, but they kept coming back with "well, it has no fat in it; it has no fat in it!"  I presume the person was young, but still, wouldn't they have had some kind of instruction on the quality of calories?  Though evidently they hadn't gotten to the chapter on diabetes!


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The best way to approach her depends on what her goal is, if it is weight loss:

Increasing Omega 3 and decreasing pro inflammatory carbs will inhibit the conversion of calories into body fat.  These essential fats encourage the body to burn calories as body heat and increase its sensitivity to insulin, thereby preventing storage of body fat and reducing the risk of dibetes and obestiy.  This is a process know as 'postprandial thermogenesis" which means "the generation or production of heat following a meal.  The younger we are the greater the postpradial thermogenesis........BUT this can be controlled.  When we consume food its energy can take one of two paths in the body

1) calories can be burned for production of ATP and either stored or release for energy - "oxidative phosphorylation
2) The food can go to be stored as body fat or glycogen in the liver and muscles. So basically stored energy or FAT.  The only way to unstore this energy is through a process known as thermogenesis

When we add essential fatty acids to our diet we begin to 'sensitize' or cells to insulin............through a process.........this INCREASES thermogenesis.  It basically allows our body to release fat stores


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...  How can I explain this to her in a way she might get?


Can I ask how "fit" you both are?

Perhaps a "I know how you feel, I used to think the same way, but now I know otherwise and it's working for me."


It is what it is so I'm dealing with it.
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