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MarisaB23
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i REALLY hate the way spelt tastes, but i love bread.  is there another type of bread that tastes more like "normal" bread that is beneficial or neutral?  if so where can i find it?
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try the sprouted wheat breads....
ezequiel, from 'food for life'......WF refrigerator section.


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i REALLY hate the way spelt tastes, but i love bread.


What brands of spelt bread have you tried?


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ooo wow Don super to see ya on board
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Go to the freezer section of your local health food store.  They have all sorts of truly wheat-free breads in there.  There is a delicious rye bread called French Meadows 100% rye with flaxseed.  There are also some 100% rice breads, too.  Check out the freezer section of your health food store, that's the ticket!


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Lately I've been buying Food For Life White Rye.  There's no wheat in it at all.  

Also there's a big difference in the taste of spelt breads so try some different brands.
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I'm a B so I can't have rye...but i do love it!  I'm not sure the brand of spelt i have at home, I'll have to check it out.  I'll look in the freezer section of the health food store.  On another note, I have some spelt pasta I'm not sure what to do with...I need some sort of sauce for it, but I can't have tomatoes.  Any ideas?  How about yogurt, any personal favorites out there?  Thanks everyone, I would've never kept with this without all your answers!
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Have you tried baking your own white spelt bread ?
-just wondering since I almost can´t taste the difference!! And none of my fussy family or friends ever notice if I bake cake or bread with it!- However if you are used to plastic-cardboard -wheat-bread and turns to some wholegrain-spelt-handkneaded -by organic-spiritual-austrian-nuns type of bread I could understand your feeling. Whole spelt taste a lot stronger than normal wheat!
Try something with oats, millet or rice - remember it contains little (oats) or no gluten( rice millet) and it doesn´t bake the same way. The reason why spelt is so popular with B´s is that it works almost like wheat and looks like it! Buckweat, rye and corn is as you know a big NO .
Consider- if your tastebuds keep playing up- to only eat small amounts of bread- maybe a few slices of organic white wheat won´t mess you up. Whea so If you don´t feel fat it might be ok.- but not great t (white is a neutral for B sec)


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I'm a B so I can't have rye...but i do love it!  I'm not sure the brand of spelt i have at home, I'll have to check it out.  I'll look in the freezer section of the health food store.  On another note, I have some spelt pasta I'm not sure what to do with...I need some sort of sauce for it, but I can't have tomatoes.  Any ideas?  How about yogurt, any personal favorites out there?  Thanks everyone, I would've never kept with this without all your answers!


How about an alfredo sauce made with cheese and butter. Check out the recibase on this site.


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My thoughts, too, Henriette...  

There is spelt... and then there is spelt. I have not found a commercial brand of spelt bread that I like. There is a small HFS here that makes a sourdough  all-spelt bread that is moist and delicious, too. But that is the only one I've found that I like.

Other than spelt pasta, my main use of spelt is as a flour for baking.


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just reread what the typebase says about spelt and speltflour:
Spelt is beneficial for Bsecs- but speltflour is just neutral....

Just wondering if (as I)) do make my own spelt flour right befor use - dont take gems out etc - it could be more than neutral- somehow beneficial?

I was thinking that the reason why the flour just is neutral might be because it is not as fresh and alive as the whole kennel ?


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I'm a B so I can't have rye...but i do love it!

Oooops, how dumb of me to suggest rye to a Type B!  I'm sorry!  But do still check the HFS freezers because there are a lot of different types of 100% rice breads in there and some are good!

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On another note, I have some spelt pasta I'm not sure what to do with...I need some sort of sauce for it, but I can't have tomatoes.  Any ideas?  How about yogurt, any personal favorites out there?  Thanks everyone, I would've never kept with this without all your answers!

Yes!  A chance to redeem myself for the rye debacle!  Pesto sauce is my favorite!  It is made with fresh ground basil, pine nuts (traditionally, but you can leave those out or use walnuts or other nuts instead), olive oil, lemon juice, garlic, and salt to taste.  I absolutely LOVE pesto sauce!!!  If you don't want to use spelt pasta, btw, there are excellent brands of rice pasta, such as pastariso brand.  You can also just use whole brown rice, for that matter, instead of pasta.

Enjoy!




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Oh yeah, and with you being Type B, of course you can make sauces with all sorts of delectable CHEESES!


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Does your flour feel very warm when freshly ground?

I've heard, sometimes the heat from grinding through an electric mill can destroy some of the nutrients... not likely with a hand cranked model.

But either way, certainly more nutritious freshly ground... lucky you...  



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No it is more or less the same temperature as the room. However if I grinds rice it gets warmer.I share the machine with my mum- no reason to buy one each.

Yes Kristin I am lucky
- Got a whole bag of organic spelt from my next door neighbour for almost nothing compaired to the shops where 1 kg of white spelt cost around 5 dollars!!!


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I have been trying different flavors of GlutenFree breads from Whole Foods made with rice flour.  Watch out, though, because some products use canola oil.  The breads are a little dense, but some taste pretty good.

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which ones taste pretty good?  i looked and the kind of spelt bread i have is "french meadow"
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Gluten-free breads often have B avoids in them, like tapioca (avoid for secretors), so be sure to read the labels.


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and whats about riceflower or kamut or a mix with amranth ? and even quinoa all are
a little likewise *nutsy* in their taste  very lecker...lecker
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and whats about ...kamut...

Kamut is a Type B and Type AB avoid, fyi.  Meboarma is Type B, so kamut would not work for her.

btw--and the following is a leaping greenly opinion only, not the BTD party line, and so should be taken as just a "my two cents" thaaang, but here goes:

kamut is in the same class as spelt, far as I'm personally concerned, namely:  it is

WHEAT!

Why would anyone who is avoiding wheat eat spelt or kamut?  Sorry, me no get.  Why not have rice, quinoa, oat, rye, etc. (providing none of those are avoids for one's particular type)?  I just will never get the whole avoiding-wheat-but-eating-spelt-or-kamut thing.  They may be kinder, gentler forms of wheat, but they are still wheat.

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Uhhh... feeling a bit testy, there, LG?  


Officially, BTD standards lists wheat as a neutral for B's... perhaps one of the reasons why spelt does not bother us.

But there are other reasons to avoid wheat... it being one of the most hybridized grains there is... quite a different beast from the wild grass it once was.


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Uhhh... feeling a bit testy, there, LG?  


It's just that every time I read the word "spelt" I have to   keep from shouting my opinion of same from the cyber rooftop, and every once in a while I just BREAK *lol*!  And I must exclaim to the world my opinion (and it is just that, an opinion, as this subject is open to debate), which is:

Spelt is wheat.

There!  I said it!  And I'll say it again:  Spelt is wheat, I tell you, wheat, wheat, WHEAT!

In the immortal words of Danielle from "LOST":  Run, hide or die!



Seriously, while spelt is not as hybridized or mutated as our current, monstrous, GMO frankenwheat, it is still wheat.  It is definitely a BETTER choice as far as wheat goes, as it:

1.  Has a much less harmful form of the wheat lection; and
2.  Has much less of the lectin it does have.

But it is, what class?  YES!  Still wheat!  Run, hide or die!

I see why Dr. D. has it as neutral for your basic O secretor, as when someone is new to this diet, the changes from the typical American (or other western) diet can be overwhelming and spelt allows a person to still have breads and other baked goods that are very similar to what they are used to, whereas other flours sometimes don't turn out the same as WHEAT (and what does this tell you about spelt...come on, class, don't let me down here...CORRECT:  that spelt IS wheat, dat's why it turns out so well in baking, "well" meaning "identical to wheat").  But once you get kinda sorta experienced and skilled in this way of life, who needs spelt?  It is like training wheels on a bike.  Then again, I say that through my nonnie-colored glasses, so if you are an O secretor out there who really enjoys spelt bread, cookies, cakes, et al., have at it and don't pay me no nevermind.

But, boy howdy, I tried spelt ONCE, last Thanksgiving to be exact, and my reaction was:

"....YUP!  WHEEEEEEEAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I'M HIT, I'M HIT!  TELL MY WIFE AND KIDS I LOVE THEM...oh, wait, I'm a woman AND I don't have a spouse or kids...everything is fading to black...what a world, what a world..."

If that bread had been any more definitely WHEAT you could have knocked me over with a feather.  Talk about quacking like a duck!

Anyway, every few years or so I shoot off my mouth about my opinion on spelt.  I should be good to go now for a few years, so it is safe to come out from under all y'all's beds now!  Coast is clear!  My every-so-many-years spelt fit is concluded.


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so if spelt is wheat, why would it be beneficial for me instead of just a neutral or avoid??
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Holy Hominy, I just found THE coolest web page!  I just love the name alone *lol*:  "nowheat.com"!!!!!  Loving it!  Anyway, check out this page and the headings "spelt" and "kamut"!  Now, much as I love the name of the web site, I must in fairness say that I just discovered it .5 seconds ago and thus do not know Thing One about its credibility/reliability, source-wise.  However, I love seeing how clearly she states that both kamut AND spelt are wheat!  I love it because it backs up MY opinion...whether or not that page is a reliable source is secondary to that *lol*!!!!  Seriously, take it for what it is worth:

http://www.nowheat.com/grfx/nowheat/primer/controvl.htm
(scroll down to "kamut" and "spelt")

P.S.  Note to Melissa and other celiacs:  The home page (that you can get to if you go to the bottom of the linked page and click on "Linda's home page") of the above linked page seems to be a portal to information of interest on this gal's site about celiac disease, fyi.


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if we are doing the btd, aren't we supposed to go with what d'adamo says...so if he says spelt is beneficial, we should go with that?
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