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 An ALL-DAY A V O I D-F E S T !!
Who let the dogs out? (20 votes)
24.69%
Leaving now, I can't have posts like this in my consciousness. (16 votes)
19.75%
This took me five minutes, it's what I eat every day... (13 votes)
16.05%
This is impossible (11 votes)
13.58%
This took me hours, and it was fun! (10 votes)
12.35%
This took me hours, but I did it (7 votes)
8.64%
Won't post a menu, but I'm looking forward to the nitpicking part. (4 votes)
4.94%
81 Votes Total Last vote Wednesday, December 19, 2012, 4:47pm by 25049
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heidi
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@ Chery + Carl!   "argumentative" ( legal term )...  !!    

hey, BACK TO THE TOPIC!!

Beoueomom -- Cool story!  Moral:  Rare challenges provoke skill development!!  Your post was so great that your tomato is FORGIVEN!!  

jj and Dorothy, superb work.  We need a medal for you folks.


Now, this avoid menu does not require challenges, but if you want to include the necessary medication involved with such a menu, GO FOR IT!!!




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Quoted from Edna, posted Thursday, January 1, 1970, 12:01am at here
Time for bed...gee, I'm not tired at all!!!!!!  Is there an all night DANCE PARTY somewhere?





Excessive exercise, defeats the whole purpose


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Now now now, Exercise is not specified in the rules.   Let 'er dance all night, as long as she posts another Avoid Menu in the morning.  
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I must have been multi-tasking when reading Heidi's original post, because I just completed posting a menu of all the healthy food I eat on a typical day (which has since been deleted).  After shockingly reading Yaman's peculiar sounding menu, accompanied by much alcohol; I re-read Heidi's post again and realized this was supposed to be an an ALL-AVOID menu.  So here's my new 'avoid' menu...

Breakfast: Cornflakes (GMO corn and corn syrup), soymilk, and raisins

Snack: Chai latte (black tea)

Lunch: Shrimp, steamed Jasmine rice, and broccoli; drizzled with Nuoc Mam (a Vietnamese fish sauce that consists of water, anchovies, and salt)

Snack: Two rice cakes (caramel flavored)

Dinner: Spaghetti and tomato sauce with grated parmesan cheese

This is a rather small menu, but it took me much longer to finish than my original menu.  I often found myself referring to Live Right to double check 'avoids'.  

Note - I went back to modify my menu to reflect what I was more closely eating prior to the BTD.


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Quoted from Alia_Vo, posted Monday, November 1, 2004, 9:28pm at here

Note - This is a rather small menu, but it took me much longer to finish than my original menu.  I often found myself referring to Live Right to double check 'avoids'.


Same here, it took me more than 5 minutes, but not quite hours, but it seemed like hours, so I went with that selection.  Harder than I thought.


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Quoted from Edna, posted Monday, November 1, 2004, 8:55pm at here


Wuh?  

Wuh'd I do?

Side bar!  Side bar!  Permission to approach the bench!

1.  What are you talking about? and
2.  Is it the lettuce and tomato, because I was SAYING that I'd take it out, and
3.  If it doesn't fit, you must aquit!

The defense rests.


You are going to be the death of me yet.  While I was doing a little multi-tasking of my own, I burst out laughing for real, as I was answering the phone.  I should have seen that coming.



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Quoted from Edna, posted Monday, November 1, 2004, 8:48pm at here
P.P.P. et al. S.

Whoa, wait a minute!  I didn't notice that the original instructions specified that expense is no object!  Add in a post-midnight snack of Maine Lobster Tails in drawn butter...but since butter is a neutral, just throw some transfat-laden margarine on there and we'll call it a day.


It ain't just the butter that would be neutral.

CAR, I'M SURPRISED AT YOU!!    




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Tried and figured out there is no daily menu (even dish) with only avoids I would like to consider. All my favourite except jamón de Jabugo have some compliant ingredient. I give up!   Great exercise!
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Breakfast – slow cooked oats fortified with a scoop of soy protein power, mix in some cinnamon, fresh strawberries, a little sugar in the raw, and top with a couple dollops of plain yogurt.  Glass of orange juice

Snack:  couple sticks of rhubarb and a bottle of Snapple – wait someone brought bagels into work – guess I’ll just have one of those too, with cream cheese of course.  Maybe just one more….

Lunch:  salad made of cut up cucumber, crab meat, and mozzarella cheese with balsamic vinaigrette dressing.  Ice tea with artificial sweetener.

Snack:  apple and some microwave popcorn.  Wal-Mart flavored water (complete with artificial sweeteners) .  Did I mention there are still bagels right out side my door?

Dinner:  Pork chops (shake-n-bake), roasted potatoes, and coleslaw.  Pepsi One.

Snack:  Ice Cream: Once scoop Mint, one scoop Cookies-n-Cream.  Kind of cold now – maybe a cup of instant hot chocolate – the kind with little marshmallows in it.

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I'm laughing too hard to try right now,
HOWEVER,
The best thing about TYPEbase4 was finding out that while cantelope is indeed a Type O avoid,
what is sold in America as cantelope is not cantelope at all - it's Musk Melon.  And Musk Melon is neutral for all Os.
If you don't believe me, go to TYPEbase4 and look at the pictures.


Good health to you and your household! And good health to all that is yours!  1 Samuel 25:6
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Breakfast:  Cream-cheese-filled croissant with sausage and orange juice

Snack:  Whole-wheat crackers with cheddar cheese; iced tea (black, of course--you mean there's another kind?)

Lunch:  Bocadillo de jamon serrano (delicious crusty Spanish bread with dry-cured ham)--remember I'm gluten intolerant, so I have some extra avoids (if you decide they count; if not, let's try some fusion cuisine and put the ham on injera instead); salad of tomatoes, eggplant, black olives, and navy beans; Coca-Cola with ice (sorry, but I don't like the diet kind, even if it is healthier)

Snack:  Tropical ambrosia (bananas, papaya, and slivered coconut with whipped cream); handful of Brazil nuts; tangerine-flavored seltzer water

Dinner:  Steak with cheese fries (extra bacon, please); honeydew half filled with mango sherbet; root beer

Bedtime snack:  Pistachio ice cream (colored with spirulina and served sprinkled with extra pistachios, of course!)

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Oh, while we're at it, let's try my family's traditional New Year's dinner:

Pork
Sauerkraut
Stove Top stuffing
Mashed potatoes (with butter/partially hydrogenated margarine and milk)
Marshmallow-glazed sweet potatoes (with butter/partially hydrogenated margarine)

Drink of choice (Coke--no, wait: my aunt always has Orange Crush at her house!)

I'm not kidding!!!

Dessert, unfortunately, is more compliant: pumpkin or apple pie--although the mince pie option fits the mood here pretty well!

I'm really not kidding!!!  Yikes!  

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Graduate school.  5:30 wake up, alarm set for 6, cheated again, arrrgghhh! 2 1/2 MUGS coffee(with 1/4 up cream and lotsa sugar, BTW, half and half only if I have to!), 2-3 slices whole wheat toast smothered in margarine about 4TBSP peanut butter (protein  ) per slice. A cup of raspberries in a cup of cream. Gotta GO! Fast walk/trot the 12 blocks to class, time to spare (yeah!) buy another coffee and a 7 grain muffin with 3 TBSP cream cheese (wish I ould get more) melting on top... 8 am class begins, thoughts racing, adrenaline pumping... (getting a headache, c**p!). Pop 1 gram motrin, onward! Lunch time and I'm STARVING...not gonna make it, legs are so weak!

Pizza will go down nice...oh yeah. 3 Slices pork pepperoni, double mixed cheese (cheddar, parmesan, mozzarella), mushroom, on thin wheat crust, extra greasy, love it! HHmmmm, pizza was so hot it melted the foam plate a little, oh well, good fiber!! Iceburg lettuce side salad with Italian dressing, nothing fancy, just getting my greeeeens   Iced black tea or another coffee (tea "supplemented" the same as coffee above  ).

Class, off to work in the lab, getting HUNGRY, off to class. GET OUT OF THE WAY SLOWPOKE! YES! I am so fast, efficient   Rushed over and have enough time to stand in line at the concession/deli stand.  NACHO CHEEEEESE DORITOS, my darlings!! I deserve a treat! Fresca every now and then, root beer, or DR Pepper....(I should be drinking water but then I'll be running to go P every 5 minutes, no thanks!).

3:45 and my last class in 15 min... time to grab a coffee. Glad my headache went away a couple hours ago. Wow, I'm tired. Back to the lab and then walk home, slowly for relaxation, or due to exhaustion!, arriving about 7:30ish (depends on the day, wide range here, a whether I need to stop at the convenience store for anything).

Snack on whatever; wheat crackers or potato chips, and peanuts or cashews, and several BEERS in the next few hours!  And studying, of course, I'm a good student after all. Not hungry, skip dinner, I'll have a cookie though, maybe a macaroon. Oh WAIT!!! I forgot!  Mint chocolate chip ice cream, just a bite or two... since I had the cookie,...Dang, finished another pint...well I could use a few more pounds.

I am wiped. Bedtime. Can't fall to sleep, hours can go by, gotta get up soon, ahhh sleep, waking for bathroom (P), can't fall back to sleep, ahhh sleep, WAKE in alarm, it's OK... I'm not late, I can snooze for 9... this is useless, might as well get up! COFFFEEE! Dang I'm tired today.






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That one brought a tear to my eye.


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Heidi,

I need to change my poll answer from "This took me five minutes, it's what I eat everyday..."

to

"This took me hours, and it was fun" (more like twenty minutes, but this answer fits the bill)

I misread your original post, because I was multi-tasking.  I thought we were supposed to post an ideal day w/o any AVOIDS.  


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Quoted from heidi, posted Monday, November 1, 2004, 9:20pm at here

Now now now, Exercise is not specified in the rules.   Let 'er dance all night, as long as she posts another Avoid Menu in the morning.  


After much deliberation I concede that the sleep deprivation would offset the possible positive effects of the exercise.  All night dancing would in fact itself go outside the bounds of moderate exercise, way outside.  My apologies for missing the subtleties.  I'm not myself today, it must be something I ate.  


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Quoted from Alia_Vo, posted Tuesday, November 2, 2004, 3:57am at here
Heidi,

I need to change my poll answer 


Good luck, she's probably out dancing with Car 54.



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OMG, this is SOOO easy.  I'm with Car 54 on this one.  OK, I am going to mix it up here:  some from my college days at Cornell, some from living here in San Antonio where Tex-Mex is King:

Breakfast:  San Antonio tradition:  Breakfast tacos from Taco Cabana ( http://www.tacocabana.com/menu/condiments.asp ) :  Since I am going WAY off, I'll take 1 bean and chees with bacon and 1 potato, egg and cheese.  The bean and cheese with bacon is refried beans, some sort of cheddar cheese and bacon on a fresh made flour tortilla.  The potato, egg and cheese DOES have potatoes in it.  If I really wanted to do it up, I could have them add chorizo to the egg and contaminate the whole thing.

Lunch:  Pork ribs, baby.  Hot with LOTS 'O SAUCE.  I don't eat BBQ too much, but, hey, I'm from Texas now.  Add in with that Mac-'n-Cheese.  Actually, make it Mac-'n-cheese (stoffer's is the best besides homemade) with a side of pork ribs.

Dinner:  Oriental time!   Spring rolls with pork, thai curry with coconut milk, lo mein, pot stickers.

Midnight snack:  the ONLY true midnight snack - from Cornell:  HOT TRUCK!!!!  I'll take a  full sui (I really liked the Wet Garlic with Cheese, but, what the heck). If you don't know what Hot Truck is check it out:  http://www.thehottruck.com/

I just don't know how I was able to eat those things every night after midnight for 2 years.

Then, just to really finish things off:  Brunch the next day - DIM SUM!!!!!


FRESH START TODAY!!!
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Ooooh, nobody warned me what this thread contained...this is food porn.  I have to get out of here!!!

Ok, ok

Breakfast: Grape nut flakes with real milk and orange juice
Lunch: bbq pork sandwich with potato chips
Dinner: Spaghetti Carbonara (with bacon and cream in the sauce)
Dessert: A brownie with Vanilla ice cream and fudge sauce
Snack: triscuits with deviled ham

Hmmm.  Now that I put it to words, it doesn't sound so tempting anymore.  Thus reads my former diet.  Actually kind of boring.


Type O+ blogger, secretor afterall. Gluten intolerant. With two gluten intolerant sons:  A+ Secretor 10 yo (also fructose intolerant and slightly egg allergic), and  O- 7yo.
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Quoted from cherylhcmba, posted Tuesday, November 2, 2004, 4:14am at here


Good luck, she's probably out dancing with Car 54.


That's right, I should have figured....


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Quoted from EquiPro, posted Tuesday, November 2, 2004, 4:19am at here
OMG, this is SOOO easy.  I'm with Car 54 on this one.  OK, I am going to mix it up here:  some from my college days at Cornell, some from living here in San Antonio where Tex-Mex is King:

Breakfast:  San Antonio tradition:  Breakfast tacos from Taco Cabana ( http://www.tacocabana.com/menu/condiments.asp ) :  Since I am going WAY off, I'll take 1 bean and chees with bacon and 1 potato, egg and cheese.  The bean and cheese with bacon is refried beans, some sort of cheddar cheese and bacon on a fresh made flour tortilla.  The potato, egg and cheese DOES have potatoes in it.  If I really wanted to do it up, I could have them add chorizo to the egg and contaminate the whole thing.

Lunch:  Pork ribs, baby.  Hot with LOTS 'O SAUCE.  I don't eat BBQ too much, but, hey, I'm from Texas now.  Add in with that Mac-'n-Cheese.  Actually, make it Mac-'n-cheese (stoffer's is the best besides homemade) with a side of pork ribs.

Dinner:  Oriental time!   Spring rolls with pork, thai curry with coconut milk, lo mein, pot stickers.

Midnight snack:  the ONLY true midnight snack - from Cornell:  HOT TRUCK!!!!  I'll take a  full sui (I really liked the Wet Garlic with Cheese, but, what the heck). If you don't know what Hot Truck is check it out:  http://www.thehottruck.com/

I just don't know how I was able to eat those things every night after midnight for 2 years.

Then, just to really finish things off:  Brunch the next day - DIM SUM!!!!!


A little skimpy on the snackage, but bonus points for the quality fast food links!  Talk about food porn, is this legal?  Nice follow through with the dim sum too.


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Can I vote again?

I thought it was impossible (posted right after a delicious compliant dinner); all avoids not even a neutral!

Upon awakeing thought of this thread and I thought of a good coffee. No, I like mine with sugar (neutral). Or fresh white bread… without butter (neutral)  

As morning advanced, thought of taking a private plane (no expense restrictions) to France and have a good table of cheese but, what is good cheese without some very good red wine (neutral)?  

For aperitive, a good champagne (Avoid). But I do not like champagne on its own. It has to be accompanied by fresh oysters (neutral) and followed by a good roast beef (Beneficial) for lunch.  

These are just some of the thoughts in my little head since this morning. I want to stop this train of thought. Where is my mental discipline when I most need it?  

I want to vote "Leaving now, I can't have posts like this in my consciousness." I'm afraid of physical consequences. I'm an O and I secrete.
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yawn, is it that time already...damn I'm so tired, don't know why, I ate good yesterday, think I'll have the same today. Let's see,

Breakfast: 2 cups of coffee with 3 tsps of sugar and milk just to get the heart started. Ahh, that's better. Now a bowl of weet-bix, more sugar and of course milk. Might have another bowl of that. A couple of pieces of white bread toast with margarine and vegemite should top that off nicely. Feeling better now.

Snack: First I'll just have a slurp on this gavascon, yeah baby, then a couple of iced-donuts with another cup of coffee should do the trick. Mmmmm, all that doughy food has made me thirsty. Ahh coke, where would I be without you. Buuuurrrp.

Lunch: can you smell gas???. wooeee, I wouldn't come over here if I was you!!. I am so hungry. I know, how about a couple of ham and cheese sandwiches, followed by a coke, buuurrrrp, followed by a half a canteloupe with sugar sprinkled on top(after all fruit keeps you healthy you know). Can you smell gas??

Snack: Chocolate, chocolate and more chocolate. I feel quite energised now, must be time for a cup of coffee. Nothing like biscuits to go with a cup of coffee I always say. And hey, once you open the packet......

Dinner: I better make sure I'm getting some good carbs into me so I think I'll have fettucine carbornara with a side dish of mashed potatoes (milk and margarine), some cauliflower and cabbage, and topped off with leek soup.

Snack: Doritos corn chips and cucumber dip...what else would you have for crying out loud. A bloke can't eat good food all the time. Balance is the key.

Bedtime (late, late at night): Can you smell gas???


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Quoted from heidi, posted Monday, November 1, 2004, 9:52pm at here


It ain't just the butter that would be neutral.

CAR, I'M SURPRISED AT YOU!!    






Whoooooa!  

I guess I had somehow extrapolated that, since my beloved Maryland Blue Crab is now an avoid for me as a non (or "monk", as I sometimes refer to it), lobster also fell into the verboten category.  I guess, somehow, through some cosmic fluke, I never actually looked at lobster's rating, since learning I am a non/monk, as I just assumed (bad) that it would be as crushing as the crab sitch.  You mean to tell me that, this entire time, I could have been stuffing myself silly with MAINE LOBSTER?

Suddenly this non thing doesn't seem so bad.  This almost makes up for the sunflower seed slippage from neutral to avoid.  This is big!  BIG, I tell you!

I'm off to Maine!

Lobster on me for all nons in the hizzz-OUUUUSE!  Oooouuuu!  Oh YEAAAH, babe!  Ummm hmmmm!  THAT's what I'm talking about!

MAINE LOBSTER TAILS!




It's grand to be an O non!
Oh what a splendid dawn!
I feel a song coming on!
Two lobster tails, please, with butter drawn!


"If you are on one of Dr. D's diets and it isn't joyful, you aren't doing it right." - moi

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hello you all,
great fun-super-super I love to laugh-einfach great-but malheureusement,my only mistake was
to eat red meat, and wheat-both I took off-and I am cooking sout-of france-kitchen (mediteranian)
if I woul have ever tried to eat all those things mentioned above-I'll be dead at once!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I had alltimes problems to eat what others were eating normaly and I became very,very egoistic since I was a child-because I felt I cant' support!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So better eating nothing than
fine things  named above!!!!!!!!!!
See you, sorry to leave but I can't come over with storries which are not true-that won't work for me................
Big hugs for everyone-hey Yaman and car-crazy your stories and you are still alife!!!Crazy........
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