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Mrs T O+
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I was listening to a talk show & the topic was about incomplete info about cholesterol & that we should be tested for lipoproteins instead of just lipids. As with many talk shows, the listener doesn't always get all the info or gets distracted & misses something.
Are the tests he described easy to get? Does the BTD/GTD/SWAMI cover this detail?
He was mentioning the article about butter being good, but he didn't give much detail. He did say that each person is different.  I do agree that fats aren't the enemy & that starches are more harmful, but again I didn't get enough detail.
Any comments or input from this great community?


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I was listening to a talk show & the topic was about incomplete info about cholesterol & that we should be tested for lipoproteins instead of just lipids.


Lipoproteins include LDL and HDL (low and high density lipoproteins). Cholesterol is a lipid.

So getting a complete lipid profile (which is common nowadays) will include cholesterol and the lipoproteins.
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If you are worried about cholesterol and don't want to take a statin, I recommend a couple of things.  First, run your ratios.  I know that the formulas have been posted here before.  I have them if you can't find them.

Second, see if you can get a cardiologist to get the test for particle size.  Living in the Boston metro area, with all of our fabulous hospitals and a cardiologist at Mass General, I figured it would be no problem.  None of the labs in Boston run this test.  My cardiologist finally agreed to run it, given my significant family history of heart disease, and it had to be sent to the Mayo Clinic.  I understand it is very expensive to order but that was at lease three years ago so maybe it is more accessible and affordable now.

Standard tests for cholesterol include:

Total cholesterol (Lipid)
HDL (High Density Lipoprotein)
LDL (Low Density Lipoprotein)
Triglycerides


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I think he meant the particle size & maybe more.  The ratio is commonly known now.  I was under the impression that the average dr.didnt know about these extra tests...
My ratios are good, but I wonder if there was something more I needed to know, like how many types do particles there are.
the guy used the analogy of cars & passengers.  the typical cholesterol tests show the passengers, but the more thorough tests show the cars which can get in accidents easier or get more banged up.

I was wondering if being on the BTD, etc. took into consideration all these extra factors. I bet Dr. D knows about this.
I'm in Chicago & fancy drs. are here also. But I bet they are clueless!  

I can tell I am a morning person. It is getting late & I can't express myself too well.
Maybe I'll try to find out the name of the dr. who was interviewed to clarify things. .  


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A clear explanation:
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/there-only-one-type-cholesterol-heres-why

More info:
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/underreported-dangers-low-cholesterol

This book in particular explains how cholesterol becomes oxidized and the specific types of lipoproteins that SHOULD be tested for:
http://www.amazon.com/Great-Ch.....eat+cholesterol+myth

If trying to prevent heart disease and closely related conditions, it is far more important to focus on your B-12 levels and a high Omega 3-6 ratio.  You see, blood vessels aren't perfectly smooth tubes. Dr. D'Adamo describes them as Venetian blinds that open and close. Lipoproteins can usually pass through the blood vessel openings easily to deliver the cholesterol molecule to cells as needed. However, artery and vein walls can be damaged by numerous toxins, mainly homocysteine, which then become inflamed. At this point there are two theories: 1) the lipoprotein gets clogged in the inflamed openings leading to plaque build-up or 2) the initial function of cholesterol is to cover and protect the damaged site like a band-aid.  

Either way, cholesterol's involvement is only toward the end of a process, so to prevent the damage in the first place (from homocysteine) and reduce your body's inflammatory response, make sure you have enough active B-12 and Omega 3's in your diet or supplement.
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Great info, Johnny B.  Thank you for sharing it.  For some reason my PCP did not order my homocysteine last time.  I'll have to look into that.

I ordered the book from Amazon.  I have been referred to a new cardiologist and I am gearing up to defend why I don't want to take statins.  The book will really help!


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On my father's side of the family, there is a history of men dying in their 50's of heart disease. My uncle survived a heart attack in his 40's. So a year ago when I figured out I have the MTHFR gene polymorphism, associated with high homocysteine and arteriosclerosis, I immediately urged my parents to get tested.  A month later my dad had a double bypass and probably extended his life by 20 years! Follow up treatments included 3 months of B-12 shots and a prescription, Metanex, which contains 3mg of active folate, along with some B6 & B12.

However, the month and a half leading up to the operation, his cardiologist insisted he take a statin, which gave him muscle pains and bruises that would last for weeks. Once he got off the statin his issues went away.

When you go in to your cardiologist, plan for the worst and hope for the best (as my girlfriend would say).  Many doctors do not stay up to date with new research after they leave school, and just think they know every thing because they have a degree.  If you find someone who will take time to actually listen, you'll know you've found a good doctor
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