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OK, I learned about kegels in my childbirth classes & did them faithfully during pregnancy & a little afterward.
A few years later I noticed that when I walked a lot, even that area felt tighter. (I am convinced that walking tones the whole body, even the chin area!)

In the last 4 years, I am now only walking about 10 miles a week instead of the 20 I did for many years. I also am less active as I am not working. I do go to Curves, which is a relatively easy workout, but supposedly blanced for women. The less walking was due to plantar fasciitis which has gone away. (Sometimes I get sore legs{usually thighs}if I sit or lie down for a while & then get up. I am suspecting it is a reaction to avoids the day before!)

Anyway, I might have done some wrong lifting(40# when I should stick to 30#)some time ago, I have had an allergic cough for 10 years that jerks the body,  & I often sat too long on the 'throne' - well, I had to finish the article I was reading! I quickly abandoned that last habit because I noticed part of the pelvic floor must be starting to sag or loosen up.

Sooo, I know that the 3 things I mentioned contribute to pelvic floor problems & less walking means less help in that area, too.
The intenet has several sites that describe kegels & more than one might want to know, but I am very thankful for this & I surely want to avoid surgery. I don't do well with drugs & know that any surgery is a helath risk.

Do any of you have any input on this? I bet many of you women deal with this & it might be too embarrassing to talk about, but these easy exercises can help prevent any problems & I hope repair any that have started. The hardest part is concentrating, but I hope that gets easier.

I recently heard that being on the toilet too long leads to hemorrhoids. But it also can lead to other things.
Look up kegel exercises & try a few, even if you have no outward problems. Doctors don't always tell us everything. When I was giving birth to the 2nd child, the dr. was surprised I had heard of them.  [Thanks to the Gampers childbith classes. Mrs. Gamper died about 10 years ago at age 92? I'm glad I heard aobut her (local) classes & learned this valuable piece of info.]

Kegel exercises are also good for men.
I finished Kegel 101.
Who would like to teach Kegel 102?


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I like the practicality behind the exercises and this philosophy....I cannot contribute because I have not done Kegelsm due to indecision about belly weightm r a fibroid, bearing down on my bladder vs. a bladder simply getting older and subject to occasional leakage that would be benefitted by kegels.....


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I had no kids so no whatever... I am as healthy as can be, so no issue there, yet when they did my hip replacement I must have been intubated and ever since my (Kidney young as a teenager) bladder or my urethra have no feeling of muscles.  I have to be very careful about how far away I am from a bathroom, but still I some time can go hours when shopping, so my bladder is very selective.  I have taken to wearing a skinny pad just so I can 'help' make it to the bathroom.  I do think some foods make the leaks worce.  but I have no idea which.

Having said all that I think you are talking about uterus prolepses.  You are right I am certain that Kegel would help.

On the other hand, 'sitting' toooooo long is a bad thing.  IT speaks of straining, of pushing and of bad health issues.  I USED to be constipated with BTD, and I learned to use a finger glove to empty the anus. (I chose NOT to sit for a long time, no patience, no reading, no time, no interest, no smoking, and no excuses for sitting) This is important enough for me to tell in such graphic details, as my mom had an anus cancer that doctors not saw for some time.  Even while doing a colonoscopy they look higher up.  I would advise everyone to at least become familiar with the lowest section of your digestive system, and make sure it is always empty.  

On the other hand, there is NO reason for straining any more!  I have taken to eating 2 spoons of extra light olive oil starting January of this year,   AND   after two month I experienced the first normal 'movement'!!!! in 10 years or more.  IT took that long!  (I did it according to Shangri-la diet advise) and not for elimination issues.  Proper elimination became the best reason of why adding the oil to my diet is great! == Surprising that it took soooo long, shows you how bad things where...  
When I stop taking the oil for a week, then I am back to constipation.

I think we do much more bottom damage by not breast feeding( you would know better) or by a lifetime of straing, or sitting!!! so according to my suggestion:  stop the need for it with Oil. Maybe any beneficial oil!  

    



        


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Dr. Bruce West recommends starting and stopping (at least 10 x's[my note]) your (men and women) urine flow each time you have to go.  I have done this for years now.  While only in my 30's, I suddenly was not able to laugh without leakage.

Doing this Kegel-like exercise really got my control back and has become a lifelong habit.  Although I know I've read that sometimes this problem may stem from a chemical/food related imbalance???


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I bet that the fibroid would slowly disappear with BTD.  I also know that fasting helps get rid of benign tumors. I know you are under too much stress to take time to fast, but someday you may be able to.
I suspect that wheat may contribute to leakage.  I didn't have that problem, but when I worked at the bakery, I ate a little bread as a snack (nothing else around)while already practicing BTD. Then I leaked a few drops! I'm not sure if I had coughed or not, but that was strange.
With all the seniors with bladder problems & all the wheat we eat in this country, I think it might have something to do with this.
Another thing I am doing when I can (at home) is to urinate into a container, so I don't sit down every time. We women have to go more often than men - so it seems to me. I have to go more in the morning, but can go for hours without urinating later in the day. Still, that's the way our bodies work & we need to keep drinking water, even if it does inconvenience us (& our husbands!).

Thanks for the input. Any men care to comment?


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Dear Mrs T,

Thank you for starting a thread on this subject. I need the Kegel excercises greatly, and this thread is giving me a necessary push. I agree that this subject is embarassing. My GP referred me to physio for strengthening the pelvic floor and I just abstain.

I found these pages
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/kegel-exercises/WO00119
http://www.nafc.org/library/search-our-articles/view-article/&id/734/

What does "Kegel 101" mean ?



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I bet that the fibroid would slowly disappear with BTD.  I also know that fasting helps get rid of benign tumors. I know you are under too much stress to take time to fast, but someday you may be able to.
I suspect that wheat may contribute to leakage.  I didn't have that problem, but when I worked at the bakery, I ate a little bread as a snack (nothing else around)while already practicing BTD. Then I leaked a few drops! I'm not sure if I had coughed or not, but that was strange.
With all the seniors with bladder problems & all the wheat we eat in this country, I think it might have something to do with this.


Something to think about concerning the wheat.....   To be sure, back then I wasn't on the BTD and did eat a lot of regular bread.

Not sure why you referenced 'fibroid/benign tumors'???


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The first relpy mentioned the fibroids.

Kegel 101 is like a college course listing.  Usually an introductory course is 101 & the 2nd semester is 102. If it begins with 2, 3, or 4, it usually means other grades in college altho not necessarily.
The Kegel Kollege is a silly way of saying Kegel College, like we are getting an education about kegels.  
Often if a product or company makes smething beginning with a letter, sometimes the next word begins with a letter with the same sound(tho it is different). Now I have to come up with an example....  How about Cynthia's Cilly Cwill  or Kathy's Karrots ( a tavern & a veggie store)!

I've been doing the kegels since last week & sometimes I get optimistic & sometimes I don't.  But the regimens they suggest take months, so I will persevere.  I wonder if it will help the abs, even tho one must try not to tense them. One must focus on the pelvic muscles. However, I think the abs go along for the ride, which is just fine. I tend to gain in that area!


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I started to do kegel exercise a day before yesterday. It is not so simple after long years of neglect. First time in my life this movement appeared spontaneously when I was 8-9 years old, and I became quite alarmed then   Now I have the feeling that it has a strong far reaching effect - maybe on straightening the posture? While doing it you are not supposed to involve any other muscles and keep breathing (tricky), but I am sure it influences very well the whole musculature and the nervous system. In my view it is balancing and therapeutic in the same manner that sex is. Only it's available 24/7. Looking forward.


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I have heard squats are better than kegel exercises.  (regular practice in my yoga class) A full squat with flat feet is something a lot of adults can no longer do.  Maybe try a combination of both  
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I have heard the same as Serenity.  Via this write up... http://www.mommypotamus.com/why-you-need-to-pee-in-the-shower/



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Since squatting has been suggested, this may be relevant to some of you.  

http://www.squattypotty.com/
There are many forms of squatting platforms available now.  This just happens to be the one I selected.  It gives the option of modified squatting or full squatting, so you can build strength and flexibility without being forced to do a full squat before you are able to do it safely.

There is some informative reading material here.
http://www.naturesplatform.com/health_benefits.html



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Thank you Serenity, Caz B and Victoria!

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Caz, your link did not work. It starts & then blanks out. Can you post it again? It sounds important.

If we are to squat, we need something to hold on to! I sure am not that able to do it without help.


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Mrs T please check this

Quoted from Victoria
Since squatting has been suggested, this may be relevant to some of you.  

http://www.squattypotty.com/




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I saw that one. The mommypotamus one doesn't work.

This info is another good reason not to rush potty-training. The kids(toddlers, not babies) already go in a natural position in their diapers.

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I heard about kegals years ago.  Every so often I think about it and do them.  As I get older I have to pee more frequently so being able to hold back when I can’t get to the potty helps.


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I talked to the nurse at a dr's office the other day & she suggested that often the vaginal wall is sagging & I think that might be more of my issue.  But I would think that eventually may drag down the uterus which I feel might be a little lower. The kegels seem to help some, but it will take a long time as suggested by a regimen I read about on the intenet. So now I have to keep focusing on doing them.

I have another sort of problem. The HomeFirst drs. don't take Medicare, but said that this particular dr.did. But when I called, they said they didn't take it, but might add it later. Meanwhile I am a woman without a doctor & this problem crops up!
Sooo, I'll keep Kegeling & see what happens.
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I have another sort of problem. The HomeFirst drs. don't take Medicare, but said that this particular dr.did. But when I called, they said they didn't take it, but might add it later. Meanwhile I am a woman without a doctor & this problem crops up!

I understand that money is tight, but if you NEED to go to a Dr., you can go, you just have to pay for it.  Usually Dr.s will work with the uninsured in some manner to make arrangements that work for all parties involved...  Talk to the Dr. or office staff to find out what arrangements can be made, rather than just saying that you don't have a Dr. ...


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It's important to remember that kegels are only ONE kind of exercise, and all the muscles in the pelvic/abdominal region need to be strong and balanced. If one muscle in a group is over-worked, while the balancing muscles are not, you end up with the stronger muscles getting too short, the opposing muscles are too stretched out, you're out of alignment and in pain.

Squats are a good choice because it works a variety of muscles throughout the movement- some on the way down and then the opposite muscles on the way back up. It's a more organic kind of exercise.

I've also heard that it's no healthy to stop and start the flow of urine- that can lead to not emptying the bladder fully, which can lead to bladder infections. It's fine to do that a few times to help identify the muscles, but not to make a habit of it. This is especially true if you have something pushing on the bladder (such as a fibroid or a baby-filled uterus) that makes it hard for you to empty your bladder fully to begin with. Then again, I heard that advice while pregnant, so it's possible it doesn't apply universally.


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Thank you, Ruthie. I do agree with you. I would think that holding in your ab would help too, alhto one kegel site says not to do that when you do kegels.  But I would think that one could add it to the regimen.  I am a bad squatter & would need to hold on to something, but I agree that squats would be good. I don't do the urine thing & I also read that was bad to do regularly.
Caz, I haven't checked the site yet, but will in a few minutes. Thanks!


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Thank you, Ruthie. I do agree with you. I would think that holding in your ab would help too, alhto one kegel site says not to do that when you do kegels.  But I would think that one could add it to the regimen.  I am a bad squatter & would need to hold on to something, but I agree that squats would be good. I don't do the urine thing & I also read that was bad to do regularly.
Caz, I haven't checked the site yet, but will in a few minutes. Thanks!

Sorry Caz, it starts & then stops after a few seconds, but I think I know what she is saying. Is she saying that it is better to urinate upright as in the shower?


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Hmm, sorry it is not working - weird.  She is saying to squat and pee in the shower - or if you can manage it, squat and relax the pelvic floor just enough to not let urine escape (outside of the shower).  I'm guessing they are suggesting this because bathrooms these days are not designed to accommodate squatting and you are already undressed in the shower etc, etc.


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These sites would benefit you all:

http://mamasweat.blogspot.com/2010/05/pelvic-floor-party-kegels-are-not.html


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What y'all are describing is called pelvic organ prolapse, or POP.  It's called the "silent epidemic" in America, and there's a reason for it.  First of all, because of our Victorian heritage, we think anything "down there" is dirty and gross and shouldn't be talked about.  Thankfully, over the generations we are learning to love and respect what God created and take care of every part of our body.  It's also called a silent epidemic because it's so common.  Christine Kent, who you will read about on the Whole Woman website, says that when a woman sucks her stomach in and tucks her bottom, as we are taught to do from an early age in our society in order to look skinny, all her pelvic organs are put into a strained position.  They are pulled by gravity into a position right above the vaginal opening.  After years of pulling in your stomach and stressing your pelvic organs, eventually something gives way and things can start collapsing.  If you stand upright, reach your arms up way above your head, you get this natural curve in your lower back, and your pelvis tips into a more natural state.  Put your arms back down, leaving the curve in your back.  Relax your belly out where it should be, and then draw yourself up at the ribcage. *That* is how a woman should stand, and when she does this, her bladder and uterus naturally lay up forward above the pubic bone.  Tuck your bottom and pull in your belly and all those organs slide back again, just ripe for exiting through the vaginal opening.  You spend years standing like that and it's all compromised.  Christine Kent explains all this.  

Some of you will remember that my fourth birth was rather traumatic.  I couldn't walk for weeks afterwords due to pelvic organ prolapse and postpartum neuropathy.  A friend of a friend heard about my prolapse and contacted me to tell me about Christine Kent's work.  We ordered the workout DVD and book, "Saving the Whole Woman" and "First Aid for Prolapse."  They are what kept me out of the operating room.  When I saw OBs, all they wanted to do was surgery. I'm too stubborn to do something that drastic.  After months of misery, I started these exercises and it didn't take long at all for me to be able to do them easily, and my chronic bladder infection cleared up, my constipation cleared up (I had to quit eating meat entirely, though, except for fish), and my back pain lessened.  My prolapse is so extensive that it compromised all my low back muscles as well, and the ones inside my left hip.  

There are three types of prolapse: uterine, bladder and rectal.  Unfortunately I have all three types, per the OB and the MRIs I had following her birth.

That was four years ago, and thanks to the couple of months I did these exercises, I barely notice it anymore.  For many months it was a constant thought and worry. I had bladder incontinence (want to talk about embarrassing?) and had to wear a panty liner. I could hardly even life my baby. I couldn't pull an iron skillet out of the cabinet because it was too heavy.  Lifting a load of laundry was out of the question.  Anything I did, I felt a horrid bulge. It was there even if I didn't lift anything, but it was worse if I lift anything over about 5 pounds. Here it is, me being honest, for all the world to see.  BUT after I did these exercises for only a few short weeks, all that cleared up.  The exercises are based on a combination of ballet and yoga and are specific for women with prolapse or women who want to avoid prolapse.

If you look for Christine Kent on youtube, some of her videos are there to give you an idea of what it's all about.  It'll answer all your questions.  I'm not on the forums here as often as I used to be, but I'm on Facebook if anybody wants to look me up and ask questions.  I'll try to remember to poke my head back in to this thread and check.


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How wonderful to hear from you & what encouragement you are offering women!  
Since this is such a taboo subject, I hope Dr. D or some dr. could write a book on it. It would be a best-seller!
I think my situation is at the beginning stages, but I am quite a bit older, as I will turn 66 next month.(I sure don't feel like it!)
Tho I could use a little more exercise, I do exercise more than the average woman in this sedentary country. So I can imagine that this is a silent epidemic......


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I read the links & think they are very helpful.
I guess some kegels aren't too bad, but the other exercises & postures sound so helpful.
I said early in this thread that I used to walk more, so I plan to do more as Mr T will be retiring soon & wants to walk more also! I hope we can figure out some regimen to do togehter.....

Ribbit, you have helped a lot. Maybe this country needs spokeswomen who promote pelvic floor health. It would be a great PT job & it is so needed. Thanks for sharing your story!

It looks like Kegel Kollege is getting some advanced courses going! Yeah! Yay!


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It looks like this topic has slowed down, but what Ribbit has shared is so important that I hope that there is some way to preserve it on the forum or imcorporate it with some often-read section.
I hope to order the book soon.


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I hope you do, Mrs. T.  It really did help me a lot and I hope it'll encourage others as well.


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I got the book & it seems to say that your posture is more important than kegels. There are also exercises & movements pictured.  Some of them look like the older type exercises & ballet movements.  The pose that women are supposed to do is not to tuck one's rear end in, but stick it out. Actually, that is easier for me.  It also makes the back straighten up. The muscles are related & other muscles help the pevic floor, etc.
Understand that I haven't read the whole book, but did the beginning part & have looked at the chapters & pictures.
This poor woman has suffered a lot more than most of us & has gotten help, so there is hope for us.
This material should be taught somewhere. Maybe LaLeche League can incorporate it in their stuff & make the book available thru their library.  It also should be taught in massage therapy training as the muscles are related. The MT could talk about it to female clients.....
We can prevent this silent epidemic if we speak up, however privately!


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Mrs T would you please tell me the name of the book?(i looked back over comments but can't see it)

I have a sore lower back at the moment (due to sitting for hours studying but i am soon to graduate thankfully)
Even though I work for a chiro & get an adjustment weekly he says there is nothing wrong structurally.  i think it is deeper muscles which are fatigued from incorrect sitting posture, I can't find a position which feels natural & now my coccyx is painful.  This has lead to a slight feeling of bladder weakness although not actual leakage.
Going to go to my physio too & back to pilates class, I need to deal with this asap!
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The site is wholewoman.com
It is mentioned in Ribbit's comment (#25 on the top of this page).
One copy costs almost $45 ($39 + handling).  There are rates for multiple copies which I forgot.

The name of the author is Christine Kent, age 61, now in New Mexico.

I hope this helps. Maybe Dr. D. can get his women doctors to add this info to their repertoire. It surely will increase business as this is a topic we cannot freely talk about (We should be able to do so though!), so when they see that the doctors handle this, they will flock to the Dr D clinic!!

Whoops! The name of the book is "Saving the Whole Woman."  Well, at least they mean physically.


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There's no reason the male doctors can't also discuss this with female clients.


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They should, Ruth.

Serenity, I often get a very firm, small pillow and put it in the small of my back or right behind my sacrum.  The pain instantly goes away.  Often at night when I'm laying on my back, I tuck a pillow just up under my rear end (but mostly under my thighs) and it relieves the low back pain too.  


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Thanks for info ladies.  Ribbit, my physio told me the same, i now have a curved cushion for my desk chair.  Hoping it helps take pressure off by changing postural alignment.  
I might see if it is available as an ebook.
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As I am reading the book (with a delay for my son's wedding!), I see how important it is to avoid surgery in that area of the body. The whole pelvic floor is related & if you have bladder surgery for example, it can affect the uterus!  It mentions various types of surgeries used & how they really don't work & that the drs. don't tell the real story. There aren't too many good studies on what happens a few years after the so-called successful surgeries!

The chapter on exercises/movements is later, but the pictures look like things that are easy enough to learn.  
BTW, I walked almost 4 miles yesterday & hope to do more. Mr T walked even more, so this particular retirement goal is on its way & he feels so much better after walking.

I also go to Curves, & notice that those exercises seem to be correct for the pelvic floor. Maybe they know this as they say the program is designed for women!


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Oh I'm so glad I checked in today!  I've been kind of a lurker on this thread because at my last physical the doc said my Uterine Walls were slowly collapsing from weak muscles.  So she told me to do Kegels.  And I have been pretty good about them. 20 in the morning, 20 at night but still it does not seem to be enough - maybe because I've been inconsistent with the exercises here and there.

What does 'walking' have to do with all this?  I've heard you mention it a couple of times Mrs. T ?

In the meantime I'm going to go over and check the vids that have been recommend - thank you very much Ribbit!  
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Walking tones the whole body, & years ago after walking 5 miles, I could feel that area even being tighter.
There are so many muscles & tendons all over our body connected in so many ways that movement helps a lot of things. Maybe Ribbit can give us more info as she had a really bad situation.

The book so far seems to give lots of hope!


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Quoted from Mrs T O+
Walking tones the whole body, & years ago after walking 5 miles, I could feel that area even being tighter.
There are so many muscles & tendons all over our body connected in so many ways that movement helps a lot of things. Maybe Ribbit can give us more info as she had a really bad situation.

The book so far seems to give lots of hope!


Thank you... i'm asking cause I walk alot but not seeing any major improvement there...
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Watch the youtube videos about Whole Woman posture.  If you are standing and walking in WW posture, that will help in and of itself if your issues aren't serious.  Because of chronic pain, I have a tendency to curl up in a ball, shoulders hunched, bottom tucked, tummy pulled in, and that's the exact opposite of what we should be like.  I have to consciously relax my belly and allow that curve in my low spine. Sometimes I'll raise my arms way up, stretching as high as I can (which puts you naturally into WW posture), and then drop my arms back down, trying to keep my back in that posture.  It's not easy for me.  I'm guessing many women who tend to get prolapse already have a life-time of the wrong posture.  Remember, WW woman posture is very different from the American idea of how a body should look.  Don't tuck that tummy!


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Thanks for coming to the rescue, Ribbit. I would suggest that  as it (posture)seems to work for me(altho my situation is not too serious, IMO). It also feels good!
I would continue walking & moving my legs in different directions as well as squatting.
I am reading the book little by little & finally got to the section where I will do the movements/exercises!  I hope this will be a good winter project!  I also have to be careful not to be on the toilet too long. I am better in that area, but the other day I was on a few minutes & felt the situation return!

Best wishes to you all as we learn together!


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I'm taking my time doing the movements. It is amazing how hard it is to focus on doing an exercise or posture right, but since I feel my case isn't the worst, I'm taking it slow to learn.

I go to Curves, which is a relatively easy workout, but even there I had to train my body to do the movements right.
Correcting the pelvic floor takes time, but standing correctly sure feels good & I see some results. I'm not sure what to do about kegels, but I still do some. I think that as long as I do them all around, it can help.

For those of you out there who don't see results yet, don't despair!  Ribbit had a horrible case & she got great imporvement. Keep at it, friends!


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I'm chugging along, but when I got lax with the exercises, things started to loosen again. I think my issue is more the vaginal wall than organ prolapse, but a soggy wall would eventually make the organs sag IMO.
Have any of you bought the book or tried what Ribbit suggests?  This truly is a silent epidemic & we need to help women prevent it!


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I just got an e-mail from them(like a monthly newsletter).
She emphasized that the posture is the most important thing & that people who claim the exercises don't work are not doing the posture.
The posture is sticking your rear out & not tucking in your tummy. I noticed that sticking the rear out does not make your tummy stick out - at least I don't notice it(much to my relief as that is where I gain!).
The posture makes my back straighter & feels good(as I mentioned before).  Since we all tend to slouch, we have to remember to keep that posture in its proper way.
I hope this helps. It surely makes it easier than doing the exercises only.  I still have not done them all as I want to slowly learn them.  Some are more like movement & poses than actual exercises in the way we typically think of doing.


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Quoted from Mrs T O+
I just got an e-mail from them(like a monthly newsletter).
She emphasized that the posture is the most important thing & that people who claim the exercises don't work are not doing the posture.
The posture is sticking your rear out & not tucking in your tummy. I noticed that sticking the rear out does not make your tummy stick out - at least I don't notice it(much to my relief as that is where I gain!).
The posture makes my back straighter & feels good(as I mentioned before).  Since we all tend to slouch, we have to remember to keep that posture in its proper way.
I hope this helps. It surely makes it easier than doing the exercises only.  I still have not done them all as I want to slowly learn them.  Some are more like movement & poses than actual exercises in the way we typically think of doing.


So do I sit up or lay down to do the Kegals?  I read where you squeeze to a  count of 3 and then relax to a count of three.  Is this right?  I do 20 in the morning and 20 at night and if I let up on them the issues come back!    thanks  so much.
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They don't talk too much about Kegels, but I would continue them. I also think you should do them on all sides if possible, not just the front(if that is what you do).

As for body positions, they said to do them at a right angle, like sitting down. I would think any position would be helpful.  If you are waiting in line or at a bus stop, etc., I would think that would be OK too.  If they work, then keep it up!

Anyone else out there have any advice?  We'd love to hear it!


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a bit expensive but will help-- I did not read the whole thread here.

Yes this link does lead to somethings that might offend sorry in advance but the product is good for increasing muscle control over the vaginal wall.




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We shouldn't be offended if it helps our health!
I don't know why it should cost that much. I didn't see exactly how to use it but I can guess part of it.
Thanks for sharing!


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I'll bump this up to remind us to not give up.
With the bad weather, I haven't gone out much which means less walking & Curves, but I did a little Zumba & tried to work on the exercises for the pelvic floor.  I like to stretch up & hold the posture. Instead of the baton they show, I use a 10# weight my son gave me several years ago. It feels good stretching & holding the weight in the air (straight up).

Well, may this be the year that more women get help in this area.


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I had to laugh at the photo of the barbell on the royal pillow!  ha ha...
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Update:  I find that if I do a few of the exercises, keep the proper posture & do some other exercises in general, the situation is better.  But if I get lazy, the problem returns.
So I need to be dilligent, but I don't really have to overdo it, either.
I forget to do the kegels, but I think they help a little too.

The weather is still bad, so I'm not walking as much.

Those of you who are suffering in silence:  Have hope. There are answers. Ribbit certainly gave us hope.  Thanks, Ribbit!!


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I was reading from the Whole Woman material on line that kegels can be bad, but I think in moderation they may help.  I also wonder what the definition of a kegel is.
I think most folks think it is just to tighten the front area, but the ones I learned in childbirth classes were more comprehensive.  
You were to stand up, tighten the anal area for a few seconds, then tighten as if the speculum was inserted (the whole area as much as able), then you went back & were to tighten your buttocks & pretend you were holding a 50 cent piece on top between the cheeks.  That certainly toned the whole area.
I hope I explained that properly.  Of course, prolapses can be any of the 3 area (bladder, uterus, & bowel), so this paradigm makes more sense. I even think that if you prolapse in one area, the rest follow more easily, so again, this makes more sense.

The classes were by a Margaret Gamper (or Gampers), a local person. She died in about 2002 at 92, if I remember correctly.  She was close 70 when I took the classes. She did mention that the 'kegels' she taught would help in the future for urinary incontinence & had the men in the class do them (as much as they could!   ) during the class. I'm sure they didn't do them at home like we ladies did!!


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I thought I would bump this topic back up. I am sure there are women out there who will benefit from the Whole Woman site. The women on the forum have real problems & are getting help & encouragement. They are avoiding surgery, which is wonderful.
So ladies, take a look at wholewoman.com & see if there is anything to help you or another woman in your life. You younger women can start by doing the posture.
I hope I got the site correct. With Google, etc., you will be able to find it!


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Acupuncture has been most helpful for my prolapsed bladder.  I tried to do kegels with little result.  Acupuncture took quite a while, but  I can do some treatment at home with moxca.
Interesting to me is that acupuncture needles are placed on the top of one's head to draw the uterus or bladder upward.
I had to stop treatments when I had a cardiac surgery, but have been pleased that the good results have continued.  




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