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Chloe
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Lately, i keep talking to people who are walking around with headaches.  Some thinking they have
migraines.  And yet, MSG which is prevalent in so many of our seemingly innocuous foods is a flavor enhancer being added to almost everything, not to mention that MSG is found naturally
in many natural foods like ripe cheeses. As a Teacher who should be getting a lot of cheese,
I figured out pretty quickly I could tolerate none of them for this reason.  I for one landed in the ER many years ago after eating soup in a Chinese restaurant which was obviously seasoned
with MSG.  Glutamate affects the brain, the nervous system and rarely does a doctor associate
adverse symptoms from MSG with this chemical. I was sent for a battery of tests for one bowl
of soup...and my diagnosis was "we don't know...we'll just watch it"... MSG can cause seizures.  Many people don't realize they're ingesting this chemical and many different terms are used to disguise this ingredient.  If you're an Explorer, you might be very aware of your sensitivities to
chemicals....but for the rest of us....symptoms you can't explain might be connected to your
ingestion of MSG.

http://www.msgtruth.org/avoid.htm

http://www.truthinlabeling.org/


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MSG does give me a headache and makes me feel irritable for day or two-- an obvious, unpleasant reaction. Oddly, my swami only rates it a black dot. My wife has it as neutral. I have to wonder why MSG isn't classified with the other "untouchables" mentioned in ERFYT?
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MSG is an avoid for a number of people on SWAMI (I am one).


MIfHI                            I follow a SWAMI diet.
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me too!


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The 1st time I heard of someone who couldn’t eat Chinese food was when I was in college & I thought it strange.  Then my son had problems with it.  As an adult he knows every Chinese place in town that doesn’t use MSG or will not if you request it.  Funny, I have 10x more food sensitivities than he does but MSG is not one of them.


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Averno
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Unfortunately, it does taste awfully d***ed good...
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MSG is a toxin for me as well....but hidden even in organic foods.  MIght say "no msg" on a package and yet contain msg in forms that you won't recognize. Assume if you're sensitive that words on
a label you can't recognize in soups, condiments and most packaged items contain some form of msg.

If you don't make everything from complete scratch from 100% whole foods, you're likely ingesting
msg.  Manufacturers are lying to us.  And know they are.

http://www.truthinlabeling.org/nomsg.html


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Quoted from Chloe
Thanks.

you are only safe in your own kitchen.


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Thanks.

you are only safe in your own kitchen.


Absolutely!
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san j
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Don't leave one's kitchen?

http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/.....-west-reprise?blog=8
The last line says it all.


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Don't leave one's kitchen?

To each his own.



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I'm writing an open letter to NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who strove to eliminate trans-fats from restaurant foods.  He could do the same with MSG.  Few of us dine in NYC restaurants,  but just the publicity could start a great public outcry.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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San j,  I love both of these stories. Agree and believe wholeheartedly. The lesson of each is worthy of a lifetime of ponder and practice. The conceit of false worship has been noted in at least one other of your wonderful essays. But the key operatve commented by Yaeli and agreed by me is safety, not abstinence.



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Speech is silver, silence is gold.

Therefore the prudent shall keep silence in that time (Amos 5,13)


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San j,  I love both of these stories. Agree and believe wholeheartedly. The lesson of each is worthy of a lifetime of ponder and practice. The conceit of false worship has been noted in at least one other of your wonderful essays. But the key operatve commented by Yaeli and agreed by me is safety, not abstinence.


Macrobiotic folks are seeking physical health.
Many of them also tend to hyper-restriction.
When they reach the point of refusing to eat anything they themselves have not prepared, in the interest of their health, the problem may be less the manufacturers'/ industry's than their own. Leaders in macrobiotics came more and more to see this as a potential drawback and began to expand permissions; the human psyche can tend to apply "worship" (as you put it) -legalisms to the matter of fueling/eating, lose enjoyment, separate it from world-interaction. And because eating is a physical daily imperative, this has massive ramifications on an individual's life. When a "Diet" can be faulted for fostering such attitudes, the public (and Forum readers) should understand that the tendency might be an individual one, having nothing to do with the particular diet or its parameters (as both Blog-stories illustrate). Peter D'Adamo has frequently had to remind us of such principles. I quoted him on another thread yesterday with this:

Quoted from Peter D'Adamo
Finally, there is the question of whether making things ‘easy’ for the body really serves our best long term interests. Many of the physiologic functions of the body are hormetic; they benefit from challenge and mild stress. Like exercise, they require challenge in order to induce a more robust response. On the other hand, over anticipating the needs of a complex system can actually increase its dependence and fragility.


Demanding punctilious control to the point of not eating anything one hasn't oneself prepared, believing that to be one's only recourse for safety, is actually a departure from D'Adamo's diets' mooring in larger Life principles. It's a confounding of one's personal control-need with his work, where it is proposed on his Forum.

It depends what one's goals are for his Forum.
Mine have to do with the attractiveness of his teaching, facilitating its implementation.
It can be enjoyably integrated into one's own chosen life and lifestyle.


And I don't know if yaeli's compliance involves periods of silence, too, but Dr. D'Adamo doesn't advocate that, anywhere that I've read.

Quoted from yaeli
Speech is silver, silence is gold.

Therefore the prudent shall keep silence in that time (Amos 5,13)

Clearly we have serious divergence of opinion as to what the work of Peter D'Adamo aims to promulgate. Mine doesn't infer Fear.


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Thanks.

you are only safe in your own kitchen.
i.e., the only kitchen which you can safely guranatee is MSG-free is your own kitchen.




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And I don't know if yaeli's compliance involves periods of silence, too,

How come you don't know THAT?  


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Mine doesn't infer Fear.
Hope it does infer prudence though.



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Hope it does infer prudence though.


Reading labels?



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I get VERY sick if I eat any wheat, corn, or potato. My other avoids (such as dairy, soy, gluten-free oats, etc) cause much more subtle problems and I could safely ingest them once or twice a year, or eat food "contaminated" with any of them.

It really isn't safe for me to eat in many restaurants, and I rarely do. But there is at least one kosher "middle eastern style" restaurant where I've eaten a couple of times in the past few years with my extended family. I also managed fine in a burger joint with a bunless burger and a salad in place of the fries.

Back to the original topic of the thread: my SWAMI actually lists MSG as neutral! I don't have any MSG in my spice cabinet, and I don't buy any packaged foods containing it (as the ones with MSG are rarely free of the other things I need to avoid, and I don't trust that "natural flavors" are corn free.) I honestly don't know how I react to this substance as I've never had occasion to try it.


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Reading labels?

Pouring out Love.



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As a child of 7 or 8 (maybe earlier) in the 50's I was startled when I tasted for the first time what my mother served as a "chicken soup" and which was prepared from dried mix stuff, which had recently made a debut on the shelves. I immediately sensed I was under attack. I found the prominent taste of the MSG most repulsive, and the relusting "soup" was nothing like real chicken soup. What a disappointment.


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Macrobiotic folks are seeking physical health.
Many of them also tend to hyper-restriction.
When they reach the point of refusing to eat anything they themselves have not prepared, in the interest of their health, the problem may be less the manufacturers'/ industry's than their own.

Peter D'Adamo has frequently had to remind us of such principles. I quoted him on another thread yesterday with this:

Demanding punctilious control to the point of not eating anything one hasn't oneself prepared, believing that to be one's only recourse for safety, is actually a departure from D'Adamo's diets' mooring in larger Life principles. It's a confounding of one's personal control-need with his work, where it is proposed on his Forum.

It depends what one's goals are for his Forum.
Mine have to do with the attractiveness of his teaching, facilitating its implementation.
It can be enjoyably integrated into one's own chosen life and lifestyle.


Clearly we have serious divergence of opinion as to what the work of Peter D'Adamo aims to promulgate. Mine doesn't infer Fear.


Thank you, thank you, thank you for this response.  You'll never know how much I needed to be reminded of this principal that Dr. D. made clear way back in ER4YT.

Also, if you ever read other nutritional books, look up the one written by Dr. Stephen T. Chang.  He (while not knowing anything about the blood type connection when his book was written) gives sound principals that actually agree with Dr. D. on more than one point.  Fascinating book.

Personally, though, I needed to be reminded of this soooo much!  It has been getting to the point that I won't eat hardly anything when I'm away from home that isn't on my 'list' of Neutral to Diamond foods.  This is not a good thing (for me anyways).  It is slowly alienating me from my family and friends AND also making me weaker in the long run.

Especially being a nonnie, I believe I need to keep my liver in shape (as Dr. Chang phrases it) when he advises his readers to occasionally have some potato chips, etc.  He says it keeps the liver 'on its toes'.

And perhaps this is the best point... we are here on Earth to reach out and help those in need... from other members of our family to strangers....  That is my main purpose in life.

Eat to live.  Don't live to eat.  Living should be the emphasis.  And, as you have stated, eating is such a pleasure and means for interaction w/others.

While fervently continuing to be compliant in my own kitchen for the intent purpose to preserve my quality of life so that my children will not have unnecessary burdens as I age (in other words, to be independent until my end); you have now been the means to remind me to see the whole picture and realize how important it is to 'sacrifice' gladly (by eating wrong foods while visiting your dear children or siblings, etc.) so as not to offend or make them feel that they do not live up to my standards.

Oh, thank you, again for your post!


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This thread was meant to be educational and wasn't meant to become a thread on the obsession of anyone's compliancy nor would I fault anyone who tries to be as compliant as they believe they need to be or wish to be.  These are healing diets......and many are dealing with serious health issues
that require very serious compliancy.

I got into an interesting discussion yesterday with a close friend who seems to be bombarded daily
with people driving her crazy with their political views....finding that when they don't agree with how
she feels in her heart, like seasoned lawyers try to convince her otherwise.  We decided in our
discussion that people really wish to be validated for their beliefs, not be convinced that they
have faulty thinking or have made a poor interpretation of facts.  Otherwise, this is judging another
and that to me is being self righteous.

I simply shared some facts about the harmful effects of MSG for which some might overly react and others might not react at all.  The fact that it's hidden by manufacturers slyly using words to distract us from this toxin was to let others know that this exists.

Judge the toxins.....THe last thing we ever want to do on this forum is judge a person's beliefs
about the choices they've made for themselves.  If you wish to cook every morsel of food in your own kitchen 24/7....go for it.  It's your right to do whatever you like.  


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Hi, Enobattar.
It looks like when you quoted me you forgot to quote Dr. D'Adamo -- it's a drawback of this site that quoted material is not quoted within a quoted post.    

Thanks for your comments on macrobiotic extremes. Having first seen that phenomenon 25+ years ago, I've often noticed it since, with reference to other diets. Glad the perceptions encourage you to use the D'Adamo teaching enjoyably.  


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