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marjorie
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Hi

Just wondering if anyone has info on how to stop receeding gums? I am doing better with oral care, however, I am concerned about it for my future.


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Quoted from marjorie
Just wondering if anyone has info on how to stop receeding gums? I am doing better with oral care, however, I am concerned about it for my future.

Eating right and reasonable cleaning - without fluoride seems to be making my gums build in again, which means that the "recession" that had occurred is reversing.  It may be a long process depending on how much healing your body needs, how compliant you are, and whether you eat enough to power the body properly.


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Eating right and reasonable cleaning - without fluoride seems to be making my gums build in again, which means that the "recession" that had occurred is reversing.  It may be a long process depending on how much healing your body needs, how compliant you are, and whether you eat enough to power the body properly.


Ok, so no flouride, but why does my dentist keep telling me I need flouride to prevent cavitiies?

What toothpaste do you use and mouthwash?

Sorry, 1000 questions.

and... vit c is important for collagen, but I am low carb in general so any thoughts on where to get more vit c or should I just take a supplement
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Ok, so no flouride, but why does my dentist keep telling me I need flouride to prevent cavitiies?

Do a search for fluoride toxicity to see why to not use it.  The ADA has bought that fluoride is good to poison bacteria to limit the plaque buildup, but aren't addressing the toxic effects of it anymore than they are the mercury in amalgam fillings...
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What toothpaste do you use and mouthwash?

I use either salt / baking soda mixture or a plain brush, the floss.  I typically rinse with a dilute salt water or plain water.
There are fluoride free toothpastes or soaps available...
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and... vit c is important for collagen, but I am low carb in general so any thoughts on where to get more vit c or should I just take a supplement
Check online for Vit. C content in foods and choose beneficial foods with a high content.  You'll not only get your C, but lots of other great food value.  I find I need very little supplementation now except for some Polyflora and some specific detox help.


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Flouride makes for strong teeth, but it's hard on gums. I have two children who were getting a lot of cavities, even with regular tooth brushing, so I buy fluoride toothpaste for them. That's the only fluoride they get- none in drinking water or vitamins; as it can be toxic when ingested and only helps teeth when used topically.

Meanwhile, I  buy fluoride-free toothpaste for my middle child because she has healthy teeth AND reacts strongly to environmental chemicals. I suspect she reacts to fluoride as well, so she doesn't use the fluoride toothpaste. I don't use it either- I use a homemade mixture of baking soda and salt.


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Take a folic acid tab and dissolve it in water and swish it around in your mouth.


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My gums used to bleed a lot with brushing and flossing every time.  If i had drank alcohol, they would bleed even more.  

Now they rarely bleed and i think it is because i take magnesium and other vitamins every day, whereas before i didn't.  My brushing has not changed at all from the time my gums bled till now.  

So i think vitamin deficiency plays a big role in gum health.  I was deficient in vitamins.
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Easy E,
I have to say I've been having similar thoughts as you, as my gums bleed off and on when brushing.
And I don't think it is to do with how I take care of them as much as I'm becoming convinced it is to do with my need for more vitamin C, and possibly other supplements.

Lin


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The probiotic l reuteri which is in the NAP Polyflora A can help with mouth bacteria. In this case, it might
be specific for blood type A more than other blood types

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21538238


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Thanks everyone. I think I will buy some vitamin c. I really believe this is what the problem is.

and.. some good mouthwash!
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I posted in another post about this but will my gums and teeth get better with the more beef I eat?

It seems like they get worse when I start eating the beef again?? weird.
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Quoted from marjorie
Hi
Just wondering if anyone has info on how to stop receeding gums? I am doing better with oral care, however, I am concerned about it for my future.

The protocols for O's  are: Antibacterial Protocol, Yeast/Fungus Resistance Protocol.
I had a problem with my gums at certain teeth a long time ago, one of them fairly bad, and I followed the protocols for my type, and now my gums are perfectly normal. My dentist is happy and so am I! It was amazing how quickly they recovered! Dr. D. knows.......


"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." -- Benjamin Franklin
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The issue of flouride is covered well in Paul Bragg's books and other books by other authors that I am currently reading, I think Bragg also wrote one on water.  We need organic flourine (not inorganic flouride (a surplus product of industry).   Flourine is in unsalated almonds, carrot, beet tops, dandelion, spinach, celery, raw goats milk, swiss cheese, egg yolk, cauliflower, cabbage, watercress, parsley, cucumber).  Eating raw means the organic atoms are used and recognised by the body, and will build strong health cells/ ie bones, teeth.  Cooked or processed foods don't work as well or at all.  When I am at the dentist, I say no to flouride and I buy toothpaste with no flouride - one I use is herbal ayurvedic toothpaste for teeth and gums. Salt may work well to clean teeth.  good to massage gums with fingers every day.  My teeth always had problems even though I ate lots of proteins, cheese, eggs, veg, fruit, nuts, etc    I did not include enough raw foods in the past, and this only weakens the colon which allows foods/body wastes to ferment or putrefy, thereby meaning the blood is not strong or healthy, teeth/gums need nutrients too.
Our dental health is related to internal health which includes a clean, strong healthy colon and other digestive organs, and good nutrition from a wide variety of raw fruits and vegetables, nuts, seeds (sprouted if possible), nutrients need to be assimilated into cells, so eat solids between 11am and 5pm if possible when digestion is optimum.  some raw juices outside those hours for extra amino and nutrients, ie minerals.  eat some sea vegetables too which strengthens all body cells/organs.
Dentists don't seem to be aware of dangers of flouride, or just don't want to admit it or tell patients, I don't understand it.
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I brush my teeth with Kirk's fragrance free bar soap.  It's supposed to be super non toxic and it works well for me, although it did take me a while to get over the thought of brushing with bar soap.  I think the brush you use can have a lot to do with gum health, some of the soft ones are still pretty abrasive.
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I swear by Uncle Harry's products, and even went so far as to take an empty jar from the toothpaste to my hygienist because I made her curious about it  

http://www.uncleharrys.com/store/


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CO Q10 is also good for your gums (as well as your heart).
Brushing, good flossing and a rubber tip will help your gums and improve the pockets.  I have completely turned around the health of my gums.  No bleeding at all anymore.
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Mouthwash:  The Natural Dentist Healthy Gums antigingivitis rinse.

Using this and quitting flouride have helped my gums immensely.  I had about six 4 mm (or is it nm?) pockets and they are now all at 2 or 3.  That is a huge difference, and I did nothing else to improve my flossing frequency, so I know it was just switching to natural products.

I think flouride and harsher mouthwash were irritating my gums.

It has aloe in it, so don't swallow it as an O, not that we would.


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Some of my pockets that were 8s are now 1s or 2s.  Big improvement but I'm fanatical about the flossing, the soft pics and the rubber tip.  My dentist has been very impressed with the improvement.  
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Wow, coming back from an 8 is hard to do!


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I had a similiar problem with my gums. I switched to a cheap battery powered child's size toothbrush. It has two spinning heads - purple Hello Kitty from Wal-mart - under 5 five bucks - saved me hundreds at the dentist. Just don't push too hard. The smaller size makes it easier to reach the back teeth and apparently does a much better job of cleaning the teeth and gums. The vibration also massages the gum which helps the gums repair itself. It worked for me. I hope this helps you too. I had several pockets with a 6 rating that in a month went down to 4's. I go back in April - hoping all are under 3's - which is where my hygenist wants the pocket numbers.  


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I am trying to take better care of my teeth and gums. I'm sure I have gingivitis and worry about getting peridontis. I have had good teeth most of my life  but I've noticed I have plaque (possibly calculus) built up on some of the inner parts of my bottom teeth and it looks like I might be getting deep pockets that are dark in color and tender. I also have a spot in the v of my canine that always looks bloody under the gum and maybe like it is trying to pull away from the tooth. I know I need to visit the dentist but I can't right now so I'm trying to treat it myself as best I can. I've stopped using toothpaste just recently and use peroxide most times, baking soda other times. I brush thoroughly with a soft brush and floss though I'm not sure I do it well. I have a flosser, tried using regular floss but my teeth are tightly spaced and it shreds. I'm thinking of switching to the interdental cleaners or picks. I also just purchased a gum stimulator to use after reading this article
http://www.saveyourteeth.com/the_secret.htm

Does anyone have any advice? Oh, I also use a tongue scraper and will be using coconut oil to oil pull.
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PS- Should I buy this to try to clean out the deep pockets or would it not help with that? http://www.walmart.com/ip/Dentek-Scaler-And-Pick-3ct/10312778
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Hi, Rachel D

How often do you get your teeth cleaned by a dental hygeniest (sp) ?  The fact that your teeth are tightly space, I'd say, is a good thing because food cannot become trapped in the gums.

I've dealt with gum disease for many years and when I was in my twenties a dentist did recommend brushing with baking soda and hydrogen perioxide together.  Sort of make a paste.

That did work and I still use that today.  Along with that I use the dental picks after most meals.
If I'm out, I make sure to make a stop in the ladies room to use the picks or I use them while driving sometimes.  I hate having food stuck between my teeth.  

Regular dental cleaning is the best preventative but I also use essentail oils (www.anandaapothecary.com)  They recommend myrrh oil, clove bud, and wild frankincense on your gums and in your mouth.  The last time I had my teeth cleaned (I tend to go over the three month recommended period) the hyigenist was amazed that my gums didn't bleed at all.  I consistently used the myrrh oil in the morning after brushing and in the evening after brushing.

It's good to know you are cognizant of taking care of your teeth and gums at your age.  It will benefit you in the future.

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