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PCUK-Positive
Thursday, April 4, 2013, 7:08pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Forgot to mention i lost 8 pounds (over half a stone) in 2 hours.

i weighed myself before i went to the hospital and then after the second withdrawal!!



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Sounds like you're on the right track now...  Wow, 4.5 liters in 6 hours is quite a bit, but you don't know how long some of it was stored...  Be sure to keep up with the immune boosters so you don't get an infection from the "catheterizations".

It will be interesting to see how long it takes the bladder to shrink back to "normal" size when you are able to keep it emptied...

Added:  Water weighs about 8.5 lbs. to the gallon, so taking out 3 liters plus some for normal respiration, etc. will bring the weight down...


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Good thinking... I'm taking Dr D's Scienca for that, and have just realised i only have 4 capsules left. I will have to use something else until i can order more of them.

I have run out of bromelain, quercetin, scienca, genoma eq, but i have a generic turmeric supp from solaray that i never used. 600 mg.

what is a good supplement to ease the pain / discompfort or using the catheter?

Since i have to do it 4 times a day for a long time.


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Policychecker, I feel your pain.

I had bladder issues for most of my life. Bladder infections, bladder pain. You name it. I had it.  I couldn't void my bladder completely.  My sphincter muscle would not relax.  I was on self catheter for years, but that left me at risk all the time for infections. Sulfa drugs for the infections.  My bladder got completely stretched out.

I eventually learned to develop my stomach muscles to void my bladder completely, (so I no longer have to self cath) but getting around the sphincter muscle relaxing, that was the hard part.

I'm trying to think of how else I can help you, but my mind is blank at the moment.


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ABJoe
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Quoted from PCUK-Positive
what is a good supplement to ease the pain / discompfort or using the catheter?

Since i have to do it 4 times a day for a long time.

The only things that come to mind are:
Inflammation protocol...

Or
Traumeel, a homeopathic for bruising...
Inflammation, (also from BHI-Heel) for minor injuries, fever.


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Yes that spincter mustcle is a bit sore, the nurse said to cough. well i cough for the ten minutes it takes to get past it lol.

I can't belive how flat my tunny is now. another 500 ml came out and some tiny stones i think.

goingto concetrate on the Urinary track protocol.

BLOOD GROUP O
Bromelain (Pineapple enzyme): 500 mg, 1-2 capsules, twice daily
Polyflora O (ABO-specific Probiotic): 2 capsules, twice daily (I Have these)
Bearberry (Arctostaphylos uva-ursi): 150-250 mg, 1-2 capsules, twice daily (I HAVE THESE)
Horsetail (Equisetum arvense): 500 mg, 1 capsule, twice daily

NON-SECRETORS
Deflect O Lectin-blocking formula specific for ABO group: 1-2 capsules with meals, 2-3 times daily (i HAVE THESE)
Vitamin A 10,000 IU: 1 capsule daily (THOUGHT I HAD THESE- MUST GET SOME)

GENERAL RECOMMENDATIONS USABLE BY ALL GROUPS
Hytrax (Dandelion Leaf Formula): 150 mg,  1-2 capsules, 2 times daily
Vitamin C (from Acerola Berry or Rose Hips): 250 mg, 1 capsule, twice daily still can't find a suitable one of these.

son be ready for a new order of Dr D's stuff. so Hytrax, bromelain, querctein will be on the list.


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Quoted from PCUK-Positive
going to concentrate on the Urinary track protocol.

I scanned the list too fast and missed that one...  Sounds like a great focus.


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I didn't have much pain using a catheter but I think that's because of the differences in our plumbing.

I would recommend an anti-spasmotic by HEEL, Inc., called Spascupreel, for spasms. This under the tongue homeopathic literally saved my life when my bladder would go into spasms and cause me pain.

I would also take a calming set of herbs, maybe something with valerian, a formula by Nature's Sunshine, but I'm sorry I can't remember what it was as the moment. I'm sure it will come to me.

I think, your sphincter has gone into spasms, and that's why you can't void on your own.

Try pressing on the sphincter muscle, to release it.

Sharing with the best of intentions.


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LOl yes slightly different plumbing.

took me 15 minutes, in total, to get in and then out again this morning.


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How have you slept?

Oh and what do you think the odds are now that you are a Gatherer?
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I slept for 2 nights in a row without getting up, feel amazing.

Pretty sure I'm not a gatherer no

got the catheter in and out in 12 mins this morning. slight ach in the back afterwards for a while but other than that all going well (touching lots of wood


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Well I'm really glad to hear it!
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Had some pain around by back again, quite harsh at that had to go to bed early. probably everything just sorting itself out but still there this morning.


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iwow 4 liters??? near one gallon.. but is it possible..

Now you tweeked my interest... sine I had the hip replacement surgery.. presuming with a catheter inserted while under.. I have issues with holding water while sneezing...

I think it is common for woman who gave birth often), or have belly fat that 'weighs' down the internal structures.  If there is room for a gallon in the there
then there is need to look at this as a whole new thing...  Maybe it is not weakness, but over filled kidneys and bladder?

What have you learned about this further???  


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it was definitely in there Goldie lol. and I had gone to the toilet just before so there was a little.

I learned to trust my instincts now that I know I little bit about health.

My stomach is now pretty flat. and I weigh 1/2 a stone less than I did.

although I'm still finding it hard to actually get to sleep, when I'm asleep I don't wake up needing to go to the toilet all the time so my sleep has improved amazingly.


I now just need to give it some time and then find out if anything in particular is caused all this.

I noticed my poo's are much darker (bile) so I imagine everything was backed up good and proper, so I'm hopeful I will get better and better now and the full value of eating right for my type will have he full benefit.

for that reason I have eased off all the supplement a lot. just to see what happens.


by the way Goldie the gallon was very dark and pretty fowl. as each day passes it gets slightly lighter, but is still pretty dark.

the pain in my back seems to be getting better now too.

fairly positive as far as the outlook is concerned (more touching wood


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by the way Goldie the gallon was very dark and pretty fowl. as each day passes it gets slightly lighter, but is still pretty dark.

the pain in my back seems to be getting better now too.

fairly positive as far as the outlook is concerned (more touching wood

All of the dark is probably old stuff getting flushed out of the kidneys and bladder...  It should continue to return to normal.  You may have some very localized pain / healing as things clean out and contract.  There may also be some small stones that have formed that will pass through causing some needle-like prickly pain as they pass through.

Wishing you well through all of this healing!


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Have some cranberries or cranberry juice to protect the bladder as it clears a lot from your system, snack/drink whatever, a few times a week.
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now taking urva ursi twice a day. polyflora and live cell, deflect with meals. and saw palmetto a few hours before catheter. oh plus magnesium at midday.

but yes everthing seems to be working better.


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Good, PC!  Healing, good health, happiness!!    (to you)



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I hope you meant "compliant diet" and not that you're feeding yourself a steady diet of complaints. Negativity won't help anything.




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Too bad you don't have a watermelon to help move things along.


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now taking urva ursi twice a day. polyflora and live cell, deflect with meals. and saw palmetto a few hours before catheter. oh plus magnesium at midday.

but yes everything seems to be working better.


So how is it that all this backing up happened??  How exactly did you feel it>> would woman experience that kind of water back up?  

flat belly? could that be the reason why men get a belly?

Stupid for asking but still have many questions.. what is the cause?  how what to do?  I am interested in this as if there is a way to drop water - I retain- then I would be happy.. there is a reason why older people always have swollen ankles.. and moon like faces.

The things you take how much are you taking?  and why? what does each item do?  

Thanks and good luck..    


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It is not the reason men get a belly. His bladder would not empty as the muscle that supports that just stretched and gave up.

This wasn't a water retention problem (edema). Edema is a cellular integrity issue that can be from several things like insulin reception, digestion, type of food being eaten, amount of protein, etc.

PC did they recommend any exercises to try and strengthen in the muscle, for in the future? I'm sure you remember when younger how you could push pee out a little extra. Also I wonder if Kegels could help. Worth a shot, some cellular drink and exercising.

I bet now that you get some sleep (hopefully you feel tired more, as in tired because you should be not adrenally shot). Then you should be able to exercise a bit more intensely.
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Too bad you don't have a watermelon to help move things along.


Funny, I bought a water melon last night since i could not get hold of any cranberries. lol


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PC did they recommend any exercises to try and strengthen in the muscle, for in the future? I'm sure you remember when younger how you could push pee out a little extra. Also I wonder if Kegels could help. Worth a shot, some cellular drink and exercising.

I bet now that you get some sleep (hopefully you feel tired more, as in tired because you should be not adrenally shot). Then you should be able to exercise a bit more intensely.


They didn't recommend anything, as usual. but an exercise sound sensible.

I slept for 6 hours last night

once everything settles i shall be concentrating on getting fitter. it will help also that the summer approached. i always feel more willing to be active in the summer.



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