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meribelle
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My husband, who is an A (do not know secretor status) has been having bleeding gums and gum infection.  Will the BTD help?  Does anyone have any testimonies that I can relay to him to encourage him to eat our way?  


Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again.  Blessings, meribelle
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BTD will help to reduce inflammation wherever it is in the body.  If an avoid isn't necessarily doing damage at the point you question, it may be reducing the body's ability to fight, causing the other damage to continue.  Once the avoid is removed, the body has the ability to fight the lesser problems...


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Thank you.  I have sent off for a secretor kit for him.  It would be helpful to know his avoids.


Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again.  Blessings, meribelle
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what method of keeping his mouth, gums and teeth clean does he use?

and how much sugar, sweets and white flour does he eat?


Kind Regards PC. FIfHI Swami III Pro

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Meribelle,

I can personally attest to my gums getting much better with the BTD.  Your sending for the secreter test  will help and you can research the avoids.

In addition, please make sure he is flossing at least twice a day.  I've had gum disease for many years.  The last time I had my teeth cleaned there was no bleeding.  Why?  I use essential oils on a regular basis and two essential oils are very important to gum and teeth health.

I use http://www.anandaapothecary.com but I recommend an oil which is therapeutic grade and organic and these both are.  The oils that you get in the stores aren't as effective.

The first oil is: Wild Mrryh.  All he has to do is take a Qtip, wet one end and put a few drops of it on there and then swab his gums at night after brushing and then again in the morning after brushing.  

The second one is Clove Bud.  Read the description and you'll see what it does.  It is very potent so wet the Qtip well and just put one drop on it.  

I know these sound a little far fetched (maybe very I don't know) but they do work.

Joy

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I believe in essential oils, Joy.  I don't know if I can convince him of it, though.  I am sure he does not floss twice a day, though.  Thanks for taking the time to share.



As for the sugar and white flour intake, it is better than a year ago, but he eats a lot of wheat!  


Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again.  Blessings, meribelle
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Meribelle,

I'm glad you believe in essential oils.  Could you purchase a small vial of Myrrh and leave it in the bathroom with a Qtip next to it?  Bleeding gums are a nuisance and unhealthy.  

It takes about 5 seconds to do.  Even if he can do it at night (it would give the oil a chance to help the gums).  

It's worth a try!  Maybe after you get a secretor test and cut down on some of the avoids.  I believe the Myrrh works even if someone eats avoids.  It targets the gums specifically.  

Good luck.

Joy
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also use peroxide in water and swish to release the oxygen .. do it for 6 weeks then stop.. or get a black tongue..

I would also buy Trehalose Complex from NAP.. It cleans up all sorts of stuff..


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http://www.naturalreliefs.com/healthproblems/gingivitisdiet.htm

Folic acid rinse for his mouth will help.

He needs to be consistent with it.



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Quoted from Goldie
also use peroxide in water and swish to release the oxygen .. do it for 6 weeks then stop.. or get a black tongue..

I would also buy Trehalose Complex from NAP.. It cleans up all sorts of stuff..


That sounds odd Goldie, either the solution is too strong for everyday use it should be no more than 3 % .

the black tongue is either mercury fillings or up to 20 percent peroxide.

A tiny amount is all you need to stop anything wrong with your gums, I use a max of five fine sprays a day probably equal to less than 1 ml of which is only 3 % hydrogen peroxide so .03 ml of peroxide a tiny amount.


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Partner (F) is O+(Non) MN. Duffy Fy(a+b+),  Lewis (a+ b-) Gatherer.
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When I had infected teeth about 10 years ago (wisdom teeth that erupted halfway and I couldn't brush them properly) I rinsed with hydrogen peroxide daily for a while until I could get them removed. I bought the 3% then diluted it halfway with water, so I rinsed with 1.5% solution. I did that for way more than 6 weeks and my tongue never turned black- but it did whiten my teeth!


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CO Q10 is also very good for your gums.  I use a Co Q 10 toothpaste.  I had a lot of problems with bleeding gums and deep pockets.  I use the little soft picks, floss and use a rubber tip to massage the gums. Since I've been doing that (several years now) I no longer have any bleeding whatsoever even when I have my teeth cleaned at the dentist.  The pockets have tightened up considerably as well. I had some that were 9s that are now 4s and most are only 2.  
BTD made a huge difference but good consistent oral care did too.
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A change in diet is powerfully effective and will change the body chemistry for the better.  CoQ10 and folic acid rinses are very helpful.  Myrrh and Clove oil and other great anti-bacterial essential oils, such as Oregano and Thyme oils are wonderful.  And these things in toothpastes and/or mouthwashes are a great idea.  

I stopped using commercial toothpastes years ago and switched to tooth soaps and powders and a mouthwash that contains the above vitamins and essential oils.  And I floss diligently before going to bed at night.  My red and puffy gums are a thing of the distant past.

Look into Periowash mouthwash:
http://www.naturesanswer.com/p-810-periowash-winter-mint-16-oz.aspx

And Uncle Harry's toothpastes and tooth powders:
http://www.uncleharrys.com/store/index.php/mouth-care-c-48



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Quoted from Victoria
A change in diet is powerfully effective and will change the body chemistry for the better.  CoQ10 and folic acid rinses are very helpful.  Myrrh and Clove oil and other great anti-bacterial essential oils, such as Oregano and Thyme oils are wonderful.  And these things in toothpastes and/or mouthwashes are a great idea.  

I stopped using commercial toothpastes years ago and switched to tooth soaps and powders and a mouthwash that contains the above vitamins and essential oils.  And I floss diligently before going to bed at night.  My red and puffy gums are a thing of the distant past.

Look into Periowash mouthwash:
http://www.naturesanswer.com/p-810-periowash-winter-mint-16-oz.aspx

And Uncle Harry's toothpastes and tooth powders:
http://www.uncleharrys.com/store/index.php/mouth-care-c-48


Hi Victoria!  So glad that you had great results!!  And thanks for the recommendations!

The mouthwash sounds great, but I have read another thread here and other online articles stating that glycerine impedes remineralization of teeth.  The Perio wash has such fabulous ingredients, but it also has glycerine.  Any thoughts on this?

Would love to hear from anyone else on this subject as well!


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"A thankful and merry heart works like good medicine!"  
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Quoted from Victoria
A change in diet is powerfully effective and will change the body chemistry for the better.  CoQ10 and folic acid rinses are very helpful.  Myrrh and Clove oil and other great anti-bacterial essential oils, such as Oregano and Thyme oils are wonderful.  And these things in toothpastes and/or mouthwashes are a great idea.  

I stopped using commercial toothpastes years ago and switched to tooth soaps and powders and a mouthwash that contains the above vitamins and essential oils.  And I floss diligently before going to bed at night.  My red and puffy gums are a thing of the distant past.

Look into Periowash mouthwash:
http://www.naturesanswer.com/p-810-periowash-winter-mint-16-oz.aspx

And Uncle Harry's toothpastes and tooth powders:
http://www.uncleharrys.com/store/index.php/mouth-care-c-48


Hi Victoria!  So glad that you had great results!!  And thanks for the recommendations!

The mouthwash sounds great, but I have read another thread here and other online articles stating that glycerine impedes remineralization of teeth.  The Perio wash has such fabulous ingredients, but it also has glycerine.  Any thoughts on this?

Would love to hear from anyone else on this subject as well!


"Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, dance like no-one is watching, sing as if no one were listening, and live every day as if it were paradise!!!  "

"A thankful and merry heart works like good medicine!"  
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I have just recently read many testimonials where severe, advanced periodontal disease was reversed through high doses of vitamin C and oil pulling daily.  Plus other supps as well.


"Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, dance like no-one is watching, sing as if no one were listening, and live every day as if it were paradise!!!  "

"A thankful and merry heart works like good medicine!"  
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Quoted from jerryD
Gum disease can be treated with many ways. But if it's left untreated it may causes serious issues called periodontal disease. periodontal gum disease is non-reversible, but you can control it by following good oral hygiene. There are some tips that may help you to completely stay out of gum problems.

1. Massage gum lines with tea tree oil toothpaste
2. Use good mouthwash after brushing & flossing
3. Increase vitamin D intake (eggs,salmon,cod liver oil etc.)
4. Eat fruits contain vitamin C such as oranges, grapes, kiwi mango, papaya and strawberry
5. Green tea
6. Increase consumption of dairy products
6. Give up tobacco
7. Try oil pulling once in a week


Within compliance guidlines, of course.

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justamente came back from my so called *newest trouvaille* of a dental cabinet here in Zürich and always the same old story... they give you the feeling being somebody unpleasent  coz of parodontitis... I do a lot amounts of vit. C... and other supps... but even then it didn't function right now....

It showed up that my old dentist committed heavy errors and I'm glad to have changed him... coz in such status you can't expect to get any good treatments or results in
implants etc....
I told the lady that I feel more then p...off and that I'm very tired of investing huge amounts of money and time without + - any good results........I'm not a nuts but will go for further reseach and will implement my pilzlis... I guess coriolous as an extract shall do the trick ... but as said... only coz I'm one of the complementary medicin edge.. I won't accept any negative statement nor feeling coz those aren't aware about us... they even try to make you feel guilty!....

I tried to explain to her but she wasn't even interested in listening....

perhaps better to move on !

hmmm nope I'll give a try...perhaps may I convince her to implement orthomolecular supps and alternative medicine in their div. private praxen ... ok I'm giving a try also in insisting a bit ....
and yeppers tested myselve in all kinds of lacks... only Vit. E was too less.... and from the pilzli's (med. mushrooms) Coriolous & Pleurotus extract seems to be the supps. against...but ok only for me
btw it is declared both are yummies in literature ....


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Amazone, I feel your pain  

It seems there are a lot of dentists operating exclusively on a "by the book" approach. Never questioning their own skills or procedures, and leaving the patients at the hands of fate. Often resulting in piled-on expense and health risks.

I nearly had a falling out with my dentist recently because of his condescension towards my wife and I. Things improved when he finally realized that A) we're not stupid,  B) we're not kowtowing to his authority, and C) we're not accepting "planned obsolescence" as a part of our dental health concept (he's quite skilled, but much too willing to escalate and compound procedures).

On the other hand, periodontal disease is serious. Please do take care of this with a dentist that treats you with respect and shows you some mercy for your previous trouble and expense.  
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dearle...well placed words and yippie another two who won't accept to get maniganced into *dentist manière* .... fine to read this gives me a kick to continue ....

and yessss she didn't wanted to listen first... but I think she will do that sooner or later if some concerns will appear of her own ....

ya know this isn't new and Peter also always was right coz he once mentioned: inflammations is always only locally in AB'ers but being an explorer it can be everywhere this I know when I made competition sports years ago...the only results were inflammations in the whole tissues   so I was forced to stop....

Now I'm on the pilzlis... hope this will be more effectful then propolis...it seems right now...didn't do the  previewed issues... ....
and begin also tomorow augmenting intake and brushings with vit. E....

Lets' see what will happen ... but thanx for your kind concernings...   


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...Peter also always was right coz he once mentioned: inflammations is always only locally in AB'ers but being an explorer it can be everywhere this I know when I made competition sports years ago...the only results were inflammations in the whole tissues   so I was forced to stop....


Sure, if we're healthy ABs    and I think AB's eventually need to take Genotype specific measures to attain and maintain good health. Your Explorer tendency towards full-body inflammation, and my Warrior tendency towards circulatory inflammation are good examples of non-local conditions. So we're not immune from a periodontal infection spreading into our bloodstream. A dangerous situation that could overwhelm our immune system.

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Green tea can help with gum disease I read.  I notice by drinking it my gums do not bleed easily like they do sometimes, esp. if eating poorly.  
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habib mio Averno  don't flush me away into fears.... ...it is as PD said in my own experiences ... locally...   but it also depends of circumstances and when we overdo
spontaneous immun responses might occure but here I think merely to our nonniedom......
must tell ya a little story...years agao... I even didn't knew about anything of being an explorer but was aware of my reactions onto meds etc...
I once  got problems with my underarm glands from the finest....true little balls... ... but nothing to see in blood analyzis... the doc was nearly shocked and I laughed coz I knew... * nonnies make the world go around* with their funny body reactions...... he wanted to implement some lekker antibiotics...as usual (with nothing in his reagenzglas...) and so far this enabled me to thank him gentely and say bye-bye ...

The same happened yesterday with that nice blo. lady... ok I've to accept her ignorance...now I feel a bit splitted coz I've got another address of an older dentist who seems to be a *fine-one* and I'm devided into pieces coz I see all things and possibilities of both sides... but my "persona* tries to get grip over me with it's blas...and fears...

and thanx for being concerned of my health issues ...chnuddles...


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ps.


as once mentioned and even admitted in his later life from Dr. Pasteur: *it's not about the bugs... but all about *le terrain* !!!!  ....

and here I always insisted  with my patients/clients... *go for profundest preventions* that means... come along with true precautions in healthy habits and  foods... if this wasn't possible...use the chance of orthomolecular medicine & combination of BTD.....(gtd)....and ya know I was right when getting more then 8 persons out of true health problems... we're going to se what will happen here in futur..

ppss.

cherido mio I think it might be that you aren't aware about your true mental powers.....also here we have the gift to overcome a lot...! But this needs  trust in our *selfs*.....nd we are all capable but need our different keys to
open our snaps..... thanx for being with us....


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Quoted from Amazone I.

spontaneous immun responses might occure but here I think merely to our nonniedom......


Ahhhhhhh... of course   I stand corrected  

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