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hey all

checking in with some news and questions...

last time i was posting i wasn't doing well with the btd as a whole, just pieces of it were working, and i had gone on an exepedition into ayurvedic medicine.

i am not quite done with that yet, but it looks like i have run into a brick wall there too. i am trying some new herbs this week, and if those don't work for me then i'm back into a dead end.

i haven't had the proper testing done, but it looks likely that i have an atonic gall bladder, which means that it doesn't contract. ultrasound always shows it is healthy and palpation shows no pain or swelling. atonic would explain everything and why the tests always show there is no disease.

i did years of the olive oil liver cleanses, which i had mixed results with. the good part was that i passed a lot of stones, but in the end never addressing the underlying biochemistry i would consider those a failure. it seems the only time my gall bladder contracts properly is by doing the flushes, otherwise nothing exits from the biliary system. this leads to massive congestion of pretty much the entire system.

i'm trying to put all the pieces together but it looks like maybe i got to the blood type diet too late (even though i found it over 15 years ago) and after eating bread and milk my whole life too much damage was done to my small intestine which led to no or not enough CCK production to stimulate the gall bladder. i can't even remember it working properly as a young kid. maybe there is a genetic component to it too as my dad had some gall bladder problems.

i never had a celiac test either, but assumed i would never be eating gluten since i was off it for a very long time until the past 2 years or so. i know that a lot of celiac people wind up having gall bladder surgery/problems.

the last few times i had beef it caused my neck muscles to go into spasm once and once my back went into spasm. it seems like possibly the cure is worse than the problem sometimes.

a few other  points:

i used to take dandelion root as per recommended by the btd and i could feel weak gall bladder contractions result, but sometimes these would result in pain. that's when i switched over  doing the oil flushes because they cause stronger contractions. it is possible that even beef is causing weak contractions but not enough and that is what is causing the spasms. these are like a pinched nerve and lay me out for a few days sometimes). chewing on grape seeds, which are a strong bitter, can also result in a quasi-gall bladder attack. what is interesting though about bitters is i can feel them activate my liver energy before the pain starts and i feel stronger and energized for a bit. i sort of get a similar feeling from beef, before the pain and congestion set it.

another possibility is liver flukes, as i heard they can keep the gall bladder from contraction, but i sort of doubt i had them as a kid. but who knows.

so gall bladder surgery is on my radar now, as much as i dread doctors and testing and all the mess, it looks like i don't have too many options left.

swami seems like one of the options, and even becoming more strict with the btd seems like another option,  possibly toughing out these muscle spasms that keep me bedridden, but i don't know how long i could willingly submit myself to that kind of pain.

my colon is also inflamed, and staying strict with the btd has never seemed to address that problem, so i may look into a protozoa specialist before going down the surgery route.

basically i'm just trying to brainstorm a last round or two before giving up and going under the knife.

i would really be interested to hear from other  O- non secretors who either had their gall bladders removed, or those who were able to resolve serious problems with theirs.

from what i hear, surgery is sort of a c**p shoot, some people really do well, and with others it doesn't even resolve the problem. and in the very worst case scenario they can nick your bile duct and cause tremendous problems or death
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check out the online protocol index......there are a few that come to mind while you decide the next step to take

contact bloodtypediet@gmail.com for options and guidance on how to keep your inflammatory action at bay


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By all accounts the gallbladder surgery does no more than what a gallbladder flush does, so why bother with all the side effect sand complications of surgery.spoke would be very disappointed as it is not logical.

which liver and gallbladder cleanse id you do and did you stick to it including colonic irrigation before and after? how many did you do i na row? the usual recommendation is at least 6 and to do them every 6 weeks I think might be 4 weeks.

did you stick top the food recommendations exactly no protein, etc for the last few days and little before that. and little fat etc, no pork etc.....

it is often recommended that the liver flush will not work unless you have done a parasite and a kidney flush first - did you do any of that.

also did you continue to do anything that was not complaint, like smoking and drinking, eating rubbish food sand sweets etc.

you say you have been eating gluten products for the last 2 years - (if I picked that up right) why on earth would you do that?

have you reduced your intake of toxins from the environment and food and topically like anti perspirats, shampoos, tooth paste ect.

there is so much to get wrong you need to be very specific.

have you seen a naturopathic doctor?

where in europe do you live buy the way that might be important too.

in my opinion none of the herbs will help long term unless you get the food and environment including the water and sunshine right.


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<<By all accounts the gallbladder surgery does no more than what a gallbladder flush does, so why bother with all the side effect sand complications of surgery.spoke would be very disappointed as it is not logical.>>

yea i agree with you within a certain context. but if my gall bladder is atonic, that means it does not contract at all (aside from drinking 6 ounces of oil). period. which means that in between flushes nothing happens and i just get more and more congested as bile backs up. the only relief i get is doing the flushes. i pushed through a lot of them, and got tons of stuff out, and really thought i was on the road to wellsville, but all that really happened was that i got tons of stuff out, but metabolically my gall bladder still doesn't contract.


<<which liver and gallbladder cleanse id you do and did you stick to it including colonic irrigation before and after? how many did you do i na row? the usual recommendation is at least 6 and to do them every 6 weeks I think might be 4 weeks.>>

i started out with the hulda clark cleanses, epsom salts, olive oil and grapefruit juice. they worked exactly like it supposed to, albeit extremely taxing on the adrenals with the electrolyte loss. i did them every 2 weeks, then more often or less often over a number of years. i've ton a TON of them. then later i'd alternate doing them without epsom salt or just lemons and oil. i did colonics a long time ago but not after the flushes. after a ton of the flushes i could get the stuff out of me fairly quickly just eating fruits or a lot of liquids. even if it were necessary to do a colonic after each flush, that really isn't a solution for me because after years and years of doing these things enough is enough, you have to draw lines somewhere, and i'm not going to tie myself to a colonic irrigation table. been there done that, and those days are over. i figure i've given the flushes way more than enough time, and i never got to the root cause of the problems.

<<did you stick top the food recommendations exactly no protein, etc for the last few days and little before that. and little fat etc, no pork etc.....>>

at the time i started them i was doing the blood type diet. that's actually what sort of led me there i think, either for better or worse i'm not sure. but doing the diet long term either caused the congestion or revealed the congestion that was already present and the telltale congestion under the right ribcage started. at first when i started i was doing the blood type diet, so there was certainly protein, and i felt like i needed protein to keep myself strong. over the course of many years and many flushes i was able to go very low or no animal protein, but i'm still in the same spot protein or no protein. no pork. little fat is not recommended in any protocols as most people agree the liver works better with some fat in the diet.

<<it is often recommended that the liver flush will not work unless you have done a parasite and a kidney flush first - did you do any of that.>>

i had done my own version of parasite cleansing, which for me was sticking to the blood type diet which caused tons of parasites to come out. i never did a kidney cleanse. from what i read that is to make things easier, it is not essential.

<<also did you continue to do anything that was not complaint, like smoking and drinking, eating rubbish food sand sweets etc.>>

no smoking or drinking. my diet changed a lot throughout this process though. at first it was relatively high in protein. as i cleared stones a lot of things healed up including adrenals and thyroid, not completely but i made a lot of progress. after many years i started to do a lot better on carbs than on protein, so my carbohydrate metabolism must have healed to some degree.

<<you say you have been eating gluten products for the last 2 years - (if I picked that up right) why on earth would you do that?>>

yea i know it sounds bizarre, but a few years ago i was sort of in crisis. the high protein diet was making me fat. my liver/gall bladder was still congested after years of the cleanses. corn never did well for me, fruits were so so, and i was going nuts looking for proper fuel for my body. i was off sugar, meats weren't working, rice didnt' seem to digest well, so when presented with these types of situations what i do is throw away rules and just act intuitively. i got on the sourdough bread and didn't feel nearly as bad as i had years ago when i was gluten freen. and i was able to digest sourdough better than rice, and my energy levels doubled or tripled, being able to have 17 hour days on my feet running about, with no crashes, no blood sugar issues, no nothing. i was eating this usually with a lot of butter and it just seemed to work better than other things i had tried, or rather it was less bad than anything else i had tried. i lost a lot of weight that i had put on while on high protein, my body temp stabilized at 98.6. so a lot of good things happened while on the sourdough. too much though would cause joint pains or some depression. but the right amount worked quite well for a long time. i'm off and on it now, currently off. but some here and there doesn't seem to have much of an adverse reaction, and definitely some positives. oddly i can digest sourdough better than rice or any other grain or even sprouted. sprouted makes me feel good too, but it don't digest it well and when it hits my colon it's pretty irritating.

maybe i just got addicted to it, who knows, but i'm still in quandary about where to get digestable carbs from.

<<have you reduced your intake of toxins from the environment and food and topically like anti perspirats, shampoos, tooth paste ect.>>

haven't brushed my teeth in 20 years, haven't had a cavity in 30 years. i don't do chemicals at all, no preservatives, nothing. i do feel a lot better in the countryside, and trying to move there permanently.

<<there is so much to get wrong you need to be very specific.>>

agreed. but there is also a big difference between reality and reading hulda clark books. i'd prefer to learn from people's experiences. i'm hip to all the chemical stuff but seriously you think i've had gall bladder stasis from shampoo?

<<have you seen a naturopathic doctor?>>
4 or so over the years. most of them seem like watered down allopaths. very disappointing. dr. d seems like the best one i've run across.

<<where in europe do you live buy the way that might be important too.>>

central europe, expatriate from us about 6 years ago.

<<in my opinion none of the herbs will help long term unless you get the food and environment including the water and sunshine right.>>

the herbs i'm waiting on are specially formulated for me by an indian vaidya. i'll give them 2-3 weeks and then bail if it doesn't work. the ayurvedic stuff hasn't been a total loss as it's sort of keeping me going, and i can use it as a tool for certain situations. it totally saved my butt this past few years because i was really overweight and would never have thought to stop eatin red meat were it not for ayurveda. whether it's just a stop gap or something more, who knows, time will tell.

i agree with you 100% about the water thing. i can't recall ever drinking enough in my whole life. the past 3 years or so i'm drinking more and more and this is helping tremendously. a little trick from ayurveda is to boil water first and reduce it by half before drinking, and this seems to make it easier to absorb.

that old saying in alternative circles that people eat when they really are thirsty has turned out to be true for me. for whatever odd reason i never did well drinking water, but i'm drinking teas, lemonade, fruit and veggie juices, soups, broths, and it's great. who knows about the environment, maybe you're right because my intuition wants me in the country with trees, i just haven't been able to make that happen yet. i've had a 2 month stretch and i felt better, but it didn't make a dent in my gall bladder problem. i was able to do a lot of exercise but i keep hitting the same brick wall even with exercise, nothing feels good when that biliary system is occluded.
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@lola- the gmail address you posted, who exactly does that go to? peter's office?

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I wouldn't accept that diagnosis about your gallbladder, and from what i have read a cleanse every 2 weeks is too much. Andreas Mortitz recommends one every 6 weeks to start until you run clear of any stones. although he is also a vegetarian recommender which i don't agree with.

I'm not clear if you have reduced you diet from a high protein one, it would be wise to reduce the protein a bit anyway for you and make the protein very lean when you do eat it,


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Are you 100% certain about your blood type? If you're really an A or a B, eating like an O for the past few years would have done you more harm than good. If you mis-typed your blood, then of course the secretor test would come out negative because there wouldn't be any O antigens in your blood if you're not an O.

I don't know how likely that possibility is, but it's something to consider. With all else going on with your body, re-doing this simple test is easy and rather inexpensive. Once you have that verified, you may want to look into SWAMI (if you haven't already) to fine-tune your food list even more.

As for the sourdough breads, I'd suggest trying it with compliant flours. Sourdough 100% rye bread would be BTD compliant even for O nonnies, plus the sourdough process makes it more digestable.


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the diagnosis is just a preliminary right now, i need to go through all the testing, which i'm pretty much dreading. but i have a feeling that this is pretty accurate.

i talked to andreas years ago, and his main thing is zero animal protein along with the flushes. you can't really invoke him and animal protein in the same sentence.
andreas and the blood type diet are as mutually exclusive as anything i've ever read.

the time between flushes varies depending upon who you talk to. the more time you wait the more the bile pool supposedly builds up. but i think that is all predicated on a functional biliary system. if you have complete occlusion, then it seems to me that there aren't really any normal rules to follow.

the pattern for me has been that the more flushes i've done the longer i am able to wait between flushes. so now i can go 4 weeks or more, but it's never a comfortable waiting period.
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Can't began to know everything you've tried, but have you ever tried milk thistle, it's listed as a liver support in the protocols.   One of my herb books says it is also for cleansing, repair, and protection. Seems to reduce the concentration of cholesterol in the bile.

Artichoke and peppermint is also mentioned


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i took silymarin years ago and it helped me a lot, getting rid of my sugar cravings permanently, but i'm not sure that it did anything for the gall bladder. it's been on my mind to try it again recently, and now that i'm writing this also NAC.

artichoke has the same effect as dandelion, it seems like it causes weak contractions and it results in colic. i'm not sure what to make of these symptoms, maybe i should just continue the artichoke and dandelion. i've tried peppermint tea but not peppermint oil. the tea doesn't do much for me.

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@lola- the gmail address you posted, who exactly does that go to? peter's office?


no, Dr D doesn t answer specific questions.....

it is the contact email I gave you, the team offers guidance exclusively, for this is a self-help forum

if however you are interested in a private phone consultation, you need to call the clinic directly about possible schedules, fees and such......no idea if those are doable to Europe....ask
http://www.dadamo.com/patients.html


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i got on the sourdough bread and didn't feel nearly as bad


can you write down all the other avoids you consume

that might help pinpoint your issues a bit


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could you be an explore rather than a hunter?


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it's possible i'm an explorer i suppose. as a non secretor O it was down to hunter and one other type, can't remember when i did the calculation.

the only way i can think to make the hunter thing work for me is to eat the meat raw, which i've done in the past. the problem is in the long term it's just not really an appetizing proposition. but i'd definitely try that again before getting cut open. raw meat caused none of the problems that cooked meat does.


@lola,  i was just curious about the email, wasn't looking for a consult with dr. d

that's sort of interesting about the team email, i may just try that.

Well as for avoids,  i am not on the blood type diet now since i switched over to mainly ayurveda some time ago. i don't have a set diet now per se, i'm just rotating things around to minimize/manage symptoms. people would gasp and haw if i listed my avoids.

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just re read moritz's book again, he recommends a cleanse every 3 weeks to a month for 8-12 times and then once every 6 to eights months. but with plenty of colon cleanses along the way. and the occasional kidney cleanse along the way.

there is also a little piece in the book about people who have had gallbladder removed so may be worth a read for you - it's available on kindle if you have one.

He isn't that critical of Dr D he say that Dr D should look at body types which he has already done in the geno type diet. so the only thing they really different on is the meat thing and there are plenty of who thick that. but I'm with Dr D on that one, although not during a liver cleanse


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i remember dr. d talking about body types a long time ago and also chinese medicine.

to his credit it's cool that he is open minded and into various other medical systems.

but, having gotten deeper into ayurvedic medicine, i have to say that any similarities are really superficial at best. the btd is its own system with a proven track record, no need in my opinion to try to leverage other systems.

i'm in agreeance with the protein/meat thing, but andreas couldn't be farther away from that. it's not a trivial point at all.

andreas' main things are really ayurvedic diet/typing and the liver cleanse. it's a powerful combination. aside from the meat issue, there are tons of things that don't add up between the btd and just about every dosha. i'm a vata pitta type -- god, just to get an accurate typing i had to see like 10 different vaidyas before it made sense. so many of the blood type o foods do not fit into that scheme like raw garlic, raw vegetables in general, rye, lmany of the beans, broccoli, all meats, many of the heating/drying spices, bitter herbs, vigorous exercise, a good portion of the fruits, etc etc.

you *could* cross reference both diets and come up with an intersection that works, but that's way too out there for me.

what's really interesting is that i never thought to do the ayurvedic diet until after liver cleansing, it did not fit me at all and i couldn't see it ever having any meaningful impact.

i'm learning the importance of rolling with things as they change. case in point, i used to make it a point to take a fair amount of quality rock salt to help my adrenals - which worked really well for a long time. last summer was very difficult, and this summer was expected to be the same. i realized that any salt during hot weather makes things a lot worse for me, so i leaned heavy toward potassium fruits and i tolerated the heat better than the past 15 years. just the slightest bit of salt would make me sweat constantly.

i ordered some n acetyl cysteine today, maybe i'll have some luck -- just read a study that it has benefits to cholestatic toxicity diseases.

thanks for the input, it is appreciated. the indian doc i'm consulting said it was a difficult case and he had a whole team of people review my history.




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i'm going to try chicory coffee again for its bitter quality. last time i tried it i'm pretty sure it triggered gall bladder pain, but i need to be sure and test it again. i'll suffer through some pain if it can revive my gall bladder. never understood why i could drink tons of oil during liver flushes with no pain but the chicory would cause problems.

possible good news, i've been on lean proteins and haven't gained much weight like last time. maybe it was the fats doing me in, which is a whole other problem as lack of fat will lead to constipation. dandelion greens are hard to come by here, what are some other good bitters to try?
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how are you with butter, ghee or coconut oil, to up your fats.or a bit of all of them if complaint.


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i'm good with all of those fats. problem is i probably have eaten more butter than anyone on this board and it still didn't get the bile moving at all. i'll make scrambled eggs with 2 sticks of butter  with no problem.

reading research lately that it's the high oleic acid fats that trigger the gall bladder the most. that would be olive and sesame at the top of the high oleic list, and cold pressed makes it even a stronger bile stimulant, which is likely why the olive oil liver flushes have worked. eating cold pressed olive oil in foods never seems to trigger things, but i rarely will eat 4 or more ounces of olive oil in a normal meal. i read about people taking a few tablespoons of oil as a liver cleanse and i'm amazed that so little can work for them.

dr. d must be right about o's and alkaline phosphatase because even without bile i seem to digest fats fine.

it's possible that if i ate ungodly amounts of butter, or maybe raw butter it could get things working, but i went down that route already and it was just too hard to eat so much of a food like that for therapeutic reasons. eventually my 'normalcy' alarms went off and i had to back off on the fats. every now and then when i crave butter it's fine and i can eat almost unlimited amounts with no adverse reaction.

if i could get the bitters to work then i'd be a very happy camper. there will likely be some pain involved as i've been down that road in the past and there was a reason why i backed off.
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there must me something else to figure out.....


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If you've done that many gall bladder flushes and you continue to have ongoing problems, it's not going to be fixed by doing more gall bladder flushes.

Overall inflammation in your digestion needs to be sorted out - if you have a parasite then get some sensitivity testing done to find out what's going to kill it. Citrus seed extract is a good herbal to join along with whatever else you're taking - most parasites are sensitive to it. But it sounds like this problem has been around for a long time for you.

If you're eating foods that you have an allergy or intolerance to then stop doing that. If you haven't been tested - perhaps time to find out. Low stomach acid, or HPylori can also impair your digestion and make gall bladder inflammation and blockage more likely.

Sometimes it can be stuff happening on a structural or energetic layer that can cause ongoing issues. There are some good yoga stretches that open up the sides of the body, massaging daily along the leg portion of the gall bladder acupuncture channel is also useful. The Chinese Medicine system also says that the gall bladder is how we display our courage, make decisions, and how we express our hearts inner most desires in the outer world. There are some interesting daoist meditations and qi gong exercises that are specific to harmonising the gall bladder too. Emotional stress can stop the body functioning properly just as effectively as the wrong food or wrong medicine. Any treatment that addresses this aspect of you will take time, and needs to be done daily, and possibly maintained for several years.

Apple cider vinegar, apple juice and artichokes are foods that are useful for softening the gall bladder, as are lemons, limes, turmeric, parsnips, radishes, mung beans, rye, endives, linseed oil, chamomile tea, and seaweed. Obviously not all of them are allowed for you according to BTD - but having them regularly in your diet is at least a good place to start.

I wish you luck!
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weroflu - perhaps some further reading here for you. http://www.sensiblehealth.com/Journey-01.xhtml


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Hi, would you like to try this plant Name Roselle plant.(This plant is from the Okra flower) It tastes like Cranberry. The color is the same as Cranberry. You can buy from Whole food market from the Bulk section and available in tea bag. But it’s call Hibiscus sabdariffa. It is Organic. Oops, I am sorry you live in Europe.  Can you find in your local?

For myself I boil on the stove with small amont of water until the color come out. Then I can drink like tea. Also, I use the liquid make my smoothies. I link the website below.
Here I copy some part of the beneficial from the website.

Medicinal uses
Many parts of the plant are also claimed to have various medicinal values. They have been used for such purposes ranging from Mexico through Africa and India to Thailand. Roselle is associated with traditional medicine and is reported to be used as treatment for several diseases such as hypertension and urinary tract infections.There is currently insufficient evidence to demonstrate any beneficial effect of roselle on raised blood pressure[6] or on blood lipid lowering.[7] Experimental results are contradictory.[8]
Hibiscus sabdariffa has shown in vitro antimicrobial activity against E. coli.[9] A recent review stated that specific extracts of H. sabdariffa exhibit activities against atherosclerosis, liver disease, cancer, diabetes and other metabolic syndromes.

Phytochemicals
The plants are rich in anthocyanins, as well as protocatechuic acid. The dried calyces contain the flavonoids gossypetin, hibiscetine and sabdaretine. The major pigment, formerly reported as hibiscin, has been identified as daphniphylline. Small amounts of myrtillin (delphinidin 3-monoglucoside), Chrysanthenin (cyanidin 3-monoglucoside), and delphinidin are also present. Roselle seeds are a good source of lipid-soluble antioxidants, particularly gamma-tocopherol.[11]

Uses
The plant is considered to have antihypertensive properties. In some places, the plant is primarily cultivated for the production of bast fibre from the stem of the plant. The fibre may be used as a substitute for jute in making burlap.[2] Hibiscus, specifically Roselle, has been used in folk medicine as a diuretic, mild laxative, and treatment for cardiac and nerve diseases and cancer.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roselle_(plant)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urination
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diuretic


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i read the julia chang stuff years ago. i stopped taking the gold coin because i was able to pass large stones in the flushes. my problem isn't the prep or the flushes it's something metabolic that perpetuates the situation.

at this point it's obvious that the flushes aren't any sort of solution for me, just a stop gap.

pylori or other infections of the biliary system are a definite possibility. raw turmeric really seems to cause a lot of distress, so maybe it's killing off some sort of pathogen like pylori. but i was never able to keep up with it due to pain.  

i came up with two routes to go down, one was the metametrix stool test and the other was nutritional balancing/hair test. they both register high on the weroflumeter so i decided to go ahead with the hair testing/nutritional balancing for now. i'm pretty sure they will suggest gb3 which has ox bile in it and other liver supporters so at least there's a chance with that. i'm sure that heavy metals play into this for me, not sure if they are causative or as a result of the bile stasis. so the nb program should help me address the metals in at least a different way than i'm currently doing.

if that doesn't pan out then i'm going right into the metametrix testing.

sort of gave up on ayurveda for now, there were some very useful things that i learned. and i can use that knowledge in certain situations, or split the difference between something like the btd and that since neither are doing it for me. if i ever get super healthy i would revisit the ayurvedic stuff.

decided to go back on lean protein but low doses like maybe 3-6 ounces a day, up the vegetables, more water, just basics. animal protein helps me a lot mentally, it's just not really a source of energy or a staple food, more like a supplement. i'll eat saturated fat as much as my appetite dictates since i always did well on it. need to experiment with really clean sources of animal fat like organic lamb or wild game to see if that makes a difference. i feel pretty good on regular butcher non organic white meat chicken so i am skeptical that the organic thing makes a big difference, but still good to be sure.


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is there a possibility that your body is doing exactly what it is doing to protect you. so you need to find out what is causing the problem rather than adding enzymes and the like to fix it.

for example fructose mal absorbtion is to stop you eating too much fructose not make you eat more.

coeliac is to stop you eating gluten.

what is it that would want to stop you producing too much bile or whatever. just a thought


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