I slept bad tonight- to be honest I sleep bad most nights at the moment  
I worry and think tooo much
feel a bit sorry for myself
feel lonely,
broke- unemployed,
" wasted my life"
-40 year crisis" you name it.

I never ever used to worry about a thing  
Always managed to sleep well  
so I wonder why it hits sooo bad right now.
In the day time I am so busy that I try to avoid thinking...

Lately i have used a lot of valerian herbs pills just to make me less active mentally at night
- I wonder if that is ok or not??

Other thought how to handle my stressfuld life??
- I need to sleep well again

Cheap options please;)

The one period in my life I felt that way day in and day out was because of hormonal issues.  Not a good feeling.

Funny. I haven't slept well for the last three nights either.

Valerian does help. Melatonin??

HB I got a product that has valerian (it also has hops, passionflower and GABA) and I don't like them at all. While I sleep with the valerian the dreams are to vivid, and disturbing so I went back to melatonin my sleep is much more peaceful now.

Have you tried taking magnesium?

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The one period in my life I felt that way day in and day out was because of hormonal issues.  Not a good feeling.

I am a bit hormonal as well
I have just started last month using progesterone cream and my first month was very good;
no pms at all- however I am not sure about the mental part.

Magnesium?
Maybe I should be better at taking it all the time  

Valerian- well I´ve got a product without any hops ( since I know hops used to be avoid for B´s..
Melatonin is impossible to buy here.

I am not sure if I have wild dreams or not.

This is just so funny, I got the Valerian, with the extra ingredients because Valerian alone is "behind glass" meaning you have to ask for it. Melatonin is sold off the shelf. Wish these gov't would make up their minds or better yet just let us make our choices.

To "Hygge" my room as much as possible when it gets out of control helps my emotions! Do you have a hobby? Something to let your mind wander and visualize and come together while your hands are busy?

Valerian is too heavy for me from way-back-when.
Also, unfortunately cherry juice melatonin is like a heavy drug.
But those melatonin tablets are "just right" when I use them.  

The other options don't work for me, but taking about a fifth of a capsule of Holy Basil is good day or night. It doesn't take much of anything like that to be too much for me! Bach Remedies are good but more expensive. Maybe they are less so there.....

Henriette, I'm sorry to hear of your difficulties.  

Valerian makes me feel awful and disturbs my mind.  It makes my heart beat too fast also.  GABA makes me feel drugged.

I love Theanine and take one a.m. and one p.m.  Also I agree with Deblynn to make sure you are getting plenty of magnesium.  Type B's need quite a bit of it especially.

It might be helpful to start taking Fembalance.  It makes the emotions easier and the body more comfortable to live in.

How about some Bach Flower Remedies?  They are a great support.  If you'd like, we can explore some appropriate ones for you.

p.s.  just noticed that Spring already suggested Bach remedies.  

I didn't know much about hormones back then or I would have begun progesterone cream at that time.  I also find that magnesium is essential and so are the B vitamins plus exercise.

Benadryl  25mg-- or 50 mg cheap and will help you fall off to sleep. It is what is in night time cold medicine

Not a long term fix but if you need something in a pinch use it and  rest.
Life looks so much better after we sleep.

Embrace your life-- in yoga we do a pose warrior two-- one hand back one in front you look back and forgive yourself look forward and smile-- and then just be where you are without judgement. Love the concept.

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Benadryl  25mg-- or 50 mg cheap and will help you fall off to sleep. It is what is in night time cold medicine

Not a long term fix but if you need something in a pinch use it rest life looks so much better after we sleep.

Embrace your life-- in yoga we do a pose warrior two-- one hand back one in front you look back and forgive yourself look forward and smile-- and then just be where you are without judgement. Love the concept.

Thanks - Ive got those ( I use 8 mg once  a day ( mornings )

Right know I am drinking chamomile tea ( think it is ok for me)

I really ought to go back to yoga and tha chi  

Why would you take benadryl in the morning?

8 mg would not put a fish to sleep  

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Why would you take benadryl in the morning?

8 mg would not put a fish to sleep  

I only feel the grass pollen in the morning

Never new it could be used as a sleeping pill

If you read the ingredients on the over the counter sleep aides you will see that it is Diphenhydramine or benadryl. We use it in the hospital for elderly people who need to drift off to sleep, works great. We do not use it on  a regular basis just once in awhile.


Ever think that maybe it is making you depressed by taking it in the morning?

It causes depression because it inhibits the reuptake of the neurotransmitter called serotonin. Without serotonin, one becomes depressed.

Something to think about.

Quoted from Andrea AWsec

If you read the ingredients on the over the counter sleep aides you will see that it is Diphenhydramine or benadryl. We use it in the hospital for elderly people who need to drift off to sleep, works great. We do not use it on  a regular basis just once in awhile.


Ever think that maybe it is making you depressed by taking it in the morning?

It causes depression because it inhibits the reuptake of the neurotransmitter called serotonin. Without serotonin, one becomes depressed.

Something to think about.

Interesting

i only take 1 pill from late june to late july- I have done that for years(20 or more correct I used to take 3pills a day before BTD reduced my symptoms to low reaction
i have tried other products but i got side effects from it that is why I stayed  on B
well i feel sleepy now wth just the camomile tea so cross your finges night night

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p.s.  just noticed that Spring already suggested Bach remedies.  

And YOU are the reason I have tried them!! Right now I am using some of the Aspen which works great for sleeping for me! One night I woke up and didn't want to get out of bed, so I just put a tiny bit (not even a drop) on my finger and smoothed it on the base of my neck. Worked like a charm!   Thank you!

Passion Flower tea works pretty well just before bedtime.  I learned about it here on the forum.

Henriette, when I'm feeling such as you describe and cannot sleep, I take Aspen and White Chestnut (Back Flower remedies). One quiets the voices in my mind and the other alleviates vague fears (I think that's correct). I keep both on my nightstand.

Hope you sort it out soon; I know from experience that lack of sleep is very detrimental.

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And YOU are the reason I have tried them!! Right now I am using some of the Aspen which works great for sleeping for me! One night I woke up and didn't want to get out of bed, so I just put a tiny bit (not even a drop) on my finger and smoothed it on the base of my neck. Worked like a charm!   Thank you!

You can put in on your skin????!!! Great! I don't like the alcohol taste.

When my B used to describe his worries he knew he would internalize everything and then start to obsess.....he was a B-. He would even forget that a video call made him feel better.....until I would ring up, then a smile would spread over his face.

Maybe a nice Skype chat with someone here who can make you laugh is good!

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I worry and think tooo much
feel a bit sorry for myself
feel lonely,
broke- unemployed,
" wasted my life"
-40 year crisis" you name it.

You've heard San J say how "lazy" B's can be, but you've also read Dr. D's book that says "B's are natural networkers."  B-lieve that you are to B-loved. Maybe your creativity can come up with one small, paying job that is satisfying. And you like physical exercise in groups along with other people.

THanks everybody
Just writing how I feel made me feel better.

I´ll need to look into the Bach products.

But I am happy to report that I actually slept a bit better tonight.
I did toss and turn a bit -I think I was overtired
But I stayed on the chamomile tea  no valerian no benadryl.
However I do think I need to work on my sleepingscedule.
I woke up confused at 9
I need to get back to a better scedule- cause sleeping so late makes it hard to sleep as well.

It's good that you wrote to us.  You know how much we like to share and help.  Something else I have learned that is helpful to many heading into menopause is Evening Primrose Oil in capsule form.  That's something to consider.

Hi, I use rescue remedy it's the Bach flowers one, very effective ..also, as a B are you eating enough lamb ? Maybe that can help when ou are stressed. Hope you feel better soon

I know all about the mid life crisis stuff.  

I'm glad there are some things that might help you physically.  As there is probably a physical component to it.  Plus, have you changed any eating habits lately?

But I know what it's like to be about your age and be like, "what am I doing here?"  "How did I get here?"  Etc. Etc.  I'm sure some of those questions come up because of physical things we're dealing with.  And some mental, emotional or spiritual.  

I don't have much advice other than that I understand.  And I think it's rather normal to go through a phase like that.  When my kids were little, and I was newly married, I spent the better part of a decade running around with my head cut off, working my rear end off in so many ways, not really thinking about a whole lot.  Not saying I never thought, but my general overall deal was "work" mode.  And "go" mode.  And then after I got sick 5 years ago, it was like I needed a time to slow down, think about things, reflect, smell the roses, get better.  Etc.  I'll probably go through a different phase in the future.  But I think a lot of us at this age experience this in some way or another.  Well, at least I did.  And I know some others my age that are dealing with this type of a deal too.  Not all.  But some.  Maybe it will hit some others later.  I don't know.  

Either way, it's OK, you're not alone.  And you are special.  You didn't goof anything up.  More than likely you are right where you are supposed to be.  That doesn't mean there isn't something different on the horizon.  New lessons to learn, adventures to be had, etc.  But it's OK.  You are OK and everything else is OK, no matter what the news tells you.  I'll say a prayer for you.

J.J.

Hope you sleep better!!!  

Magnesium, Methylcobalamin, and Melatonin! "The 3 M's" - try setting the body clock BACK 15 min. earlier at bedtime, in one week intervals. B circadian rhythyms are sensitive, like their brains!

My poor B- always had S.A.D. because he was so hard on himself, and poor, but STUBBORN.
Do not "B"-eat yourself up. Just "B" what you are supposed to "B."

I miss my B. Oh, well. There will have to "B" a replacement for him.  

Thanks - much more to look at tomorrow- nice to know I am not alone.

Well it 21/ 9 in the evening - I am actually tired  
so I´ll turn computer off in a while - drink a cup of chamomile tea and go to bed.

I have been gardening today - and it always helps my mood so much; sunlight, physically activity- doing something with a purpose and all the pretty green stuff.

It blows my mind that the sun is actually down somewhere else in the world and it's full out here.  What a globe we live on!!!!

where have you placed your swami?

concentrate on those SFs for a bit....lay off the black dots and neutrals

visualize how these act as medicine
remember the gut/brain/thyroid axis?

take your dog out for a walk daily

Quoted from Lola

where have you placed your swami?

concentrate on those SFs for a bit....lay off the black dots and neutrals

visualize how these act as medicine
remember the gut/brain/thyroid axis?

take your dog out for a walk daily

Thanks.
I am actually doing really well with my swami in general
- however I have cut down on my meat lately -due to bad economy.  

I need to remember to take Sienna on long walks- you are right   always works amazing.
Last 2 nights I have slept well.
I have been very busy outdoor( garding or doing work on my house)
I have turned off my computer 1 hr before bedtime)
I have had a cup of chamomille tea while I read before bed.

= no twisting and turning - no feeling of panic - no wild racing mind at bed time

That's excellent news, Henriette!!

Yeah.  So nice to hear.

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Why would you take benadryl in the morning?

8 mg would not put a fish to sleep  

No but it would keep most fish from sneezing, I'm sure.

Conor that is good- I need to laugh a bit more  

Yeah, I'm starting to add more comedies into streaming netflix.  I think I need to laugh more also.  

melatonin spray makes me sleep like a baby..

Be careful of the melatonin, if you take it often, your body will stop producing it.

Laughter is always good, sometimes I just laugh because otherwise I will cry

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Be careful of the melatonin, if you take it often, your body will stop producing it.

Laughter is always good, sometimes I just laugh because otherwise I will cry

Well I can get melatonine in DK so that rules it out  
I think chamomile and melisse tea is a safer option  

Wow, Henriette, I didn't know you were still unemployed.      If I have tea before bed, I'm up going to the bathroom which defeats the purpose.  I usually have a subliminal Sleep Soundly tape I play that most of the time works and I'll take 1 mg of melatonin, but it makes me groggy in the morning. Anything I take to help sleep usually has that effect.  Exercise is very important. If I don't get exercise, I sleep poorly as well.  

You're an RN aren't you? I know you said you have a degree.  Is there no jobs out there at all?  
If you can get some investors, you could open a BTD store ...maybe a small business grant?  I found the best way to get into a large institution, is to go in as a Temp. You could sign up with a Temp agency and they send you to different places. If you like the job and they like you, you can get hired easier than if you just applied. This way if you work as a Temp, you'll at least be actively working. Companies don't like to hire people who are out of work a long time...because you're out of the loop.

Can you order melatonin through the mail? Or, is it banned in DK?

eliminating gluten and milk products from the dinner of all kinds, ice cream and all kinds of amides, sugar and canned goods. Drink a hot cup of sage tea to relax the stomach and remove any air. Method at zero cost ......  

http://lacucinadilux.wordpress.com/category/orto-sul-balcone/aromi-freschi/

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Wow, Henriette, I didn't know you were still unemployed.      If I have tea before bed, I'm up going to the bathroom which defeats the purpose.  I usually have a subliminal Sleep Soundly tape I play that most of the time works and I'll take 1 mg of melatonin, but it makes me groggy in the morning. Anything I take to help sleep usually has that effect.  Exercise is very important. If I don't get exercise, I sleep poorly as well.  

You're an RN aren't you? I know you said you have a degree.  Is there no jobs out there at all?  
If you can get some investors, you could open a BTD store ...maybe a small business grant?  I found the best way to get into a large institution, is to go in as a Temp. You could sign up with a Temp agency and they send you to different places. If you like the job and they like you, you can get hired easier than if you just applied. This way if you work as a Temp, you'll at least be actively working. Companies don't like to hire people who are out of work a long time...because you're out of the loop.

Can you order melatonin through the mail? Or, is it banned in DK?

Yep unemployed.
I have two degrees
BA in prehistoric Archeology and a Teacher degree ( Geography and Danish)
I really don´t want to go back teaching it left me with a huge burn out/ stressed situation- that I first realised I had this spring ( yep - some B´s are really good at procastinting and avoiding seeing things   )
I would love to do some work were I write, research or maybe doing some counselling.- I am very good with people
That is the advice I got on the unemeplyment course.

I have decided that I´ll take some temp jobs at the nursing home  later ( no I am not RN
I HAD decided NOT to return- it is hard work and I am paid a ridicoulous pay - but I really need extra money. However the whole danish work situation are  
There are so many unemeployed teachers, caregivers etc  
The new teachers have an unemployment rate at almost 60 %  

Melatonin is prescription drugs - and is hard to import- however I don´t need it right now

Thanks for your concern
I have decluttered most of my house today - so lets see if some good fens shui  

Quoted from lux

eliminating gluten and milk products from the dinner of all kinds, ice cream and all kinds of amides, sugar and canned goods. Drink a hot cup of sage tea to relax the stomach and remove any air. Method at zero cost ......  

http://lacucinadilux.wordpress.com/category/orto-sul-balcone/aromi-freschi/

Sage tea- interesting

I hardly eat gluten and my dairy is mainly in the morning- I do well with dairy

Quoted from Conor

Some of sage tea's benefits seem to be enhanced during the waning phase of the lunar cycle, culminating with the arrival of the new moon.

Even more interesting  

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BA in prehistoric Archeology and a Teacher degree ( Geography and Danish)
I have decided that I´ll take some temp jobs at the nursing home  later ( no I am not RN
I have decluttered most of my house today - so lets see if some good fens shui  

Oh, that's why I thought you were an RN! Because you work in a nursing  home!   Well, you could change your career...train for something else.. ?? Like computers or go into sales. B's are "people" people.  I know exactly what you mean. My son has a hard time accepting things until he doesn't have a choice. He's a very stubborn Capricorn.  I also see that you could work in gardening..grow plants, maybe mushrooms and have a stand to sell them or at a Farmer's Market?  Apply for a government grant and open a coffee shop?  Are you sleeping in your success direction? That would be the best direction.  My feng shui teacher said that's the best direction out of all 4 to sleep in. My entire childhood, I slept in my loss or frustration direction! No wonder I didn't do well in school!

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Oh, that's why I thought you were an RN! Because you work in a nursing  home!   Well, you could change your career...train for something else.. ?? Like computers or go into sales. B's are "people" people.  I know exactly what you mean. My son has a hard time accepting things until he doesn't have a choice. He's a very stubborn Capricorn.  I also see that you could work in gardening..grow plants, maybe mushrooms and have a stand to sell them or at a Farmer's Market?  Apply for a government grant and open a coffee shop?  Are you sleeping in your success direction? That would be the best direction.  My feng shui teacher said that's the best direction out of all 4 to sleep in. My entire childhood, I slept in my loss or frustration direction! No wonder I didn't do well in school!

I actually sleep in my relationship direktion( west) - find it so impractical to sleep in south/west= sucess.
Actually Yesterday a very intersting job turned u in my mail.
I´ll try and see if I can get that ;
Making materials for kids about recycling - organic living ´ etc..
I would really love it- it is teamwork and I love to research things - so cross your fingers.

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I actually sleep in my relationship direktion( west) - find it so impractical to sleep in south/west=

Ah, that's why you're still looking for a job..I find it uncomfortable the way my bed is positioned in my bedroom too. It's in the corner facing diagonally out ...But like my teacher said, it's the best direction to have your bed facing.  I'm keeping my bed in my success direction.  

Good luck with the job. Well sleeping in a good direction is way better than sleeping in bad direction..
If you want to charge up your relationship status more, activate that area (West) on your wall with metal, and put pictures of lovers there...people happily married.  

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Ah, that's why you're still looking for a job..I find it uncomfortable the way my bed is positioned in my bedroom too. It's in the corner facing diagonally out ...But like my teacher said, it's the best direction to have your bed facing.  I'm keeping my bed in my success direction.  

Good luck with the job. Well sleeping in a good direction is way better than sleeping in bad direction..
If you want to charge up your relationship status more, activate that area (West) on your wall with metal, and put pictures of lovers there...people happily married.  

I will.
I kind of want a new boyfriend and a new job, and a better economy


But Ive got a lovely child and healthy and happy - so something I am doing right  

Hugs

Quoted from Seraffa

You've heard San J say how "lazy" B's can be

Funny: I haven't.

Quoted from Andrea AWsec

If you read the ingredients on the over the counter sleep aides you will see that it is Diphenhydramine or benadryl. We use it in the hospital for elderly people who need to drift off to sleep, works great. We do not use it on  a regular basis just once in awhile.


Ever think that maybe it is making you depressed by taking it in the morning?

It causes depression because it inhibits the reuptake of the neurotransmitter called serotonin. Without serotonin, one becomes depressed.

Something to think about.

Actually, the inhibition of serotonin reuptake is the operative mechanism of anti-depressants. You've got it backwards.

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Benadryl is an Antihistamine, when taken in large doses it depresses the central nervous system, thus causing depression. When mixed with alcohol this will increase the depression of the central nervous system, causing depression as well as irregular heartbeat, bradycardia, multifocal PVCs (heart rhythm abnormality) as well as decreased respirations.

It is often used as a sedative or a hypnotic.

It causes depression because it inhibits the reuptake of the neurotransmitter called serotonin. Without serotonin, one becomes depressed. When this discovery was made it led to a search for antidepressants such as Paxil or other SSRIs like Effexor.

Continual use and/or abuse may lead to permanent inhibition of the reuptake of serotonin and cause the need for lifelong antidepressants.

No benadryl to me since late july

I sleep well even though life in general is stressfull.
But the biggest impact on  y sleep is
1) enough exercise and fresh air
2) no computer/tv and blue light 1 hrs before bedtime.
= I sleep MUCH better and relaxed.

Re: antihistamines:

That's because histamine is also a excitatory neurotransmitter.

Quoted from Andrea AWsec

Re: Antidepressants]

Wow, didn't know that. thanks. Good thing I don't take them.

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I sleep well even though life in general is stressfull.

Don't have a mirror in your bedroom, especially one facing the bed. It reflects energy to the bed and disrupts sleep. I sleep a lot better since I took my dresser mirror out of my room. Feng Shui

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Don't have a mirror in your bedroom, especially one facing the bed. It reflects energy to the bed and disrupts sleep. I sleep a lot better since I took my dresser mirror out of my room. Feng Shui

No mirrow I do listen to you  
If I could just get my cat to behave herself at night   - she ´s got a bit cabin fever crazy after weeks with snow and cold weather

yiiikes can't do any démontage of my  wardrobe...

Put a blanket over it while you sleep

it doesn't disturb me at all and sorry too much of new belief-systems disturb my nerve-system .....

Prominent mirrors in living spaces have a peculiar effect on me, feeling as though I'm monitoring the space remotely. I find it quite unsettling.

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it doesn't disturb me at all and sorry too much of new belief-systems disturb my nerve-system .....

You must be very spiritually advanced then Isa.    My Qi Gong master says that an Advanced Qi Gong practictioner can trump any bad feng shui energy.  So it's like Feng Shui for beginners and as one becomes a spiritual master practicing Qi Gong,  the wrong energy cannot affect one anymore.

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Put a blanket over it while you sleep

Both of my sons thought I was crazy.. then they both tried putting a blanket over their mirrors for a few days and they both slept so much better that they took the mirrors out of their bedrooms themselves!   They haven't put them back.

Maybe it's worth trying.

I always was very toughy mentally, Mayflowerli ...oops.... sorry I wouldn't be thaaat arogant   

Quoted from Amazone I.

I always was very toughy mentally, Mayflowerli ...oops.... sorry I wouldn't be thaaat arogant   

I hear ya Isa.   I'm working on it... working on it.  

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It causes depression because it inhibits the reuptake of the neurotransmitter called serotonin. Without serotonin, one becomes depressed. When this discovery was made it led to a search for antidepressants such as Paxil or other SSRIs like Effexor.

What an odd quote. It flies in the face of what SRIs (Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors) actually do and are used for.
I don't know its source, but it states that the inhibition of Serotonin reuptake causes Depression.
Then it goes on to rightly call Paxil and Effexor, which (selectively) inhibit the reuptake of Serotonin (SSRI stands for Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor) anti-depressants.

If the inhibition of serotonin reuptake caused depression, then why would drugs that do exactly that, namely, inhibit serotonin reuptake, alleviate it?

The following will explain how the inhibition of serotonin reuptake increases serotonergic neurotransmission and is therefore the active principle behind most antidepressant pharmacotherapy today.

Quoted from wikipedia article: "Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor"

A serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SRI) is a type of drug that acts as a reuptake inhibitor for the neurotransmitter serotonin (5-hydroxytryptamine (5-HT)) by blocking the action of the serotonin transporter (SERT). This in turn leads to increased extracellular concentrations of serotonin and, therefore, an increase in serotonergic neurotransmission.
SRIs are not synonymous with selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs), as the latter term is usually used to describe the class of antidepressants of the same name, and because SRIs, unlike SSRIs, can either be selective or non-selective in their action. For example, cocaine, which non-selectively inhibits the reuptake of serotonin, norepinephrine, and dopamine, can be called an SRI but not an SSRI.
SRIs are used predominantly as antidepressants (e.g., SSRIs, SNRIs, and TCAs), though they are also commonly used in the treatment of other psychological conditions such as anxiety disorders and eating disorders. Less often, SRIs are also used to treat a variety of other medical conditions including obesity (e.g., sibutramine), neuropathic pain and fibromyalgia (e.g., duloxetine, milnacipran), and premature ejaculation (e.g., dapoxetine). Additionally, some clinically used drugs like chlorpheniramine, dextromethorphan, and methadone possess SRI properties secondarily to their primary mechanism of action(s) and this contributes to their side effect and drug interaction profiles.

In simple terms, SSRIs keep your brain from breaking down serotonin. This lets the serotonin level rise, as the serotonin is made at the same rate but is broken down more slowly.

Low levels of serotonin in the brain can lead to depression, so these drugs are used to increase the level of serotonin and reduce depression. The drugs don't always work. If your depression is caused by something other than low serotonin, these drugs won't have any impact on your depression. Also, if your body is producing much too little serotonin, there might not be enough being made for the levels to pile up, even with the break-down being slowed.