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Wish I could meet her, that makes it easier.

I wouldn't guess Gatherer, personally. The liver is very plausible, but the liver won't detox at all if the system is too inflamed, and too tired to do anything about it. This to me seems like a minor flaw in the whole BTD/GTD/SX/SP situation that sometimes the GenoType doesn't matter to people that have had severe deficiency in nutritional aspects. In fact Dr. D knows this and so the quiz you can take might point you towards the BTD first, to work around this issue, before going deeper. Luckily blood type O have stronger digestive systems so pulling out of it is easier.
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Just thinking outside the box here... For a pear shaped body, I'm wondering if it's the animal fat that's
been the problem, not so much the animal protein.....Eating an animal that wasn't grass fed....or an animal that might have been fed grains....and if she's a nonnie, this could be a major issue.

An prior ulcer could mean that she still has a problem....perhaps she should be tested for H Pylori.


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Tj...

If she is low on B6, then the intestines can not repair themselves and leaky-gut will be serious. Also when a balancing act like probiotics, red meat, or parmesan cheese is enacted upon them, you get a brief feel good moment that leads to constipation. It just doesn't work because you half-way fix it and create a war zone since the intestines themselves will not balance out (the bacteria can likely be living in the intestines when they are degraded, it likes to burrow). The level of inflammation caused by a war zone in the intestines, not just going through it, is a powerful block on health. I myself use this to be able to fight it because otherwise not much happens but slow movement.
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Quoted from cleo1978
I was under the impression that, for some gatherers, a primarily vegetarian diet was preferable.
I.e. "However, among hunter-gatherers there is a variation from vegetarian to meat-eating that corresponds gradual change of climatic zones from the tropical to the polar regions. The main foods of northern hunter-gatherers were animals, those of the hunter-gatherers living in the tropical islands of Southeast Asia or the like were vegetables, the latter seeming to be typical of the oldest stage in the evolution of human food habits."


There is a difference between being a "Gatherer" in Dr D's Genotype Diet/SWAMI system, and the historical diet of "hunter-gatherer" tribes. Of the three types O's can be, Gatherers probably have the largest portions of vegetable protiens and may fare the "least badly" as vegetarians. However, type O need animal protein to thrive, including red meat. The ratios of red meat/poultry/fish may vary, as will the portion sizes of animal foods relative to other foods in the diet. Some Os do thrive on a very low-meat diet, but SWAMI will not compute a vegetarian diet for an O.

This individual clearly has a lot of gut healing to do so that she'll be able to eat meat in the future. IMO, she won't be able to fully heal and stay healthy until she's able to eat meat regularly.  I doubt she can heal from dietary changes alone; supplements are probably needed. However, I'm not an expert on gut healing so I can't tell you which supplements to use or in what dosages.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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I read this ages ago and meant to reply but didn't ...

As a type O, I can say, from experience, that all the meat I eat has to be super, super lean. Fats slow digestion, and if your digestion is already slow, then something relatively difficult to digest such as meats need to be in small portions (i.e. 3oz) & easily digestible.

Also, IMO, there are certain heavy metals that influence both the liver & reduce the body's ability to produce HCL. If she's an explorer, it would explain why meat seems to be an issue for her.

Personally I take around 4 - 6 HCL tablets whenever I have meat.
Fish, on the other hand, I could basically have double the quantity and find no problem with whatsoever.  

Hope this helps




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I agree with the meat/ fish thing. My red meats have to be in small quantities and very lean but fish just always works. I was assuming it was the saturated fat. I don't have problems with olive oil but I don't like my salads swimming in it either. I do like a mix of white and dark with poultry.


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You can also try a fiber supplement like metamucil or a generic brand that is cheaper and uses the exact same stuff.  It can help the digestive system clear out wastes and the fiber helps digestion.

Not sure how it rates with O's (or A's for that matter).  But it seems to have beneficial effects for both me and my wife (who is an O gatherer).
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If she has problems with fats wouldn't that suggest gall bladder problems?  I know another O that can't tolerate meat or eggs and I'm pretty positive she's an Explorer.  She has great sensitivity to medications, etc.  
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I have wondered about the gall bladder, too. She won't eat substantial amounts of fish because she can smell it on herself the next day -- leaky gut I guess. I sent the link to this thread to her, so maybe she's been reading it.
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Very interesting.  My sister in-law (O+) can't eat meat either, which is why I get so much criticism from my family about the BTD.  Her parents are A and B.


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constipation comes with changes in eating habits. I'd noted that on many of the constipation threads. Checking into those threads might provide some ideas.

I had problems and I was a meat eater, Lamb seems to be the least to give me problems, today the ARA6, magnesium keep it under control.


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My Doctor is an O and he says he takes digestive enzymes.  Everyone is different.  And problems in the gut will do that.  And yeah, if she's had an ulcer in the past, there may be a good chance of an imbalance of H.Pylori in her stomach.  Which in my experience makes it nearly impossible to digest a LOT of food.  Especially meats.  I highly recommend the gastro.  There were several things that seem to deal with that well for me, but Gastro-D was one of them.  Homeopathic drops specifically for H.Pylori and Crypto Spirridium.  Manuke Honey, probiotics, digestive enzymes, cultured carrots, and the right diet.  There were a few more things but even if she did ONE of those things, I bet there would be some improvement.  If she doesn't have any money to spend on supps, then start with some cultured carrots.  But if she does have money for at least one supplement, the Gastro D will start dealing with it.  I know there were times that if I didn't have it, I was in big trouble.  It made a HUGE difference.  For me at least.

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP042

Oh yeah, I took intrinsa and ara6 quite a bit too.  Those helped.  


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My advice will probably not sit well here, but I think some serious testing is in order.  First, I would look at a test called NutrEval then I would look at IgG Food Antibody Assessment, both by Genova Diagnostics.  Otherwise, all of this is just a c**p shoot.  I have way too many unused supplement prescribed by well-meaning practitioners.  These types of tests helped me to focus on my specific issues.  Genova Diagnostics also does Complete Hormone Testing, which sounds like it could be helpful as well.

I am sure you can find a practitioner in your area who can administer these tests and then help with a diet and supplements once you get the information you need.  Although I am an O+ nonnie, a lot of the generalizations about O's don't fit for me because of my specific genetic makeup.  Remember we are all individuals.  Sharing with the best of intentions  


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Quoted from Eric
Very interesting.  My sister in-law (O+) can't eat meat either, which is why I get so much criticism from my family about the BTD.  Her parents are A and B.


Either her parents are not both her biological parents (adoption, one parent is really a step-parent) or somebody has their blood typed wrong. If she's really an A then her intolerance of meat would make sense.


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Quoted from Eric
Very interesting.  My sister in-law (O+) can't eat meat either, which is why I get so much criticism from my family about the BTD.  Her parents are A and B.

Quoted from ruthiegirl

Either her parents are not both her biological parents (adoption, one parent is really a step-parent) or somebody has their blood typed wrong. If she's really an A then her intolerance of meat would make sense.

Ruth,
If both parents (the A and B) have a recessive O and passed it to the woman in question, she could be Type O as stated with these parents...


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she should consume grass fed meat medium rare half fist size with just vegetables...no starch...sometimes it's a psychological thing that shuts the stomach down at the site of meat


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yes cleo, good thinking, yet an O gatherer needs protein meaning red meat, fish and poultry.

Trivia:
As and ABs can t be gatherers in general
http://www.genotypediet.com/gatherer.shtml
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'Metabolic Type'
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GenoType

Mostly Blood Type O
Some Blood Type B


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sometimes false agreements are that powerful that nearly nothing is doable for changes... patterns..... habits..... and the willpower of letting be is able to hurt someone powerfully..... ... but remember it well...also here ...alltimes needs are beyond such a behaviour.....what do YOU think is the need eventually here ....


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I think the most powerful thing that needs to happen is that this person seek out the help for herself.  There is something about getting fed up with being sick and feeling awful and doing your own wellness hunt that is empowering and healing.  Often we hold onto our illnesses and dysfunctions because we are not quite yet ready to get well.  Just an insight from personal experience - in many cases "Can Not" means "Will Not Allow to Happen" for me - when I am ready to get well, I can handle a lot of strange things but nobody else can do it for me or coax me to do it.


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Check out "The Food Combining/Blood Type Diet Solution" by Dina Khader. Don't eat fruit or drink water with protein (15 min before, 45 min after). Fruit can ferment and cause gas when eaten with protein because they require different enzymes and digestion times. Drinking water with protein will dilute stomach acid and inhibit digestion.


That sort of advise has been around for centuries but normally its 30 mins before and 2 to 2 and a half hours afterwards.


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She sounds more like a explorer than a gatherer and also probably a Non secretor. or should be treated like one until she is well. what condition are her teeth in?

perhaps a bit of oil pulling in the morning may help detox her too.

probably a fructose malabsorber also - is there a German descendency?

also when a woman says she rarely eats chocolate - I would rarely believe her


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I think vegetarian is a stretch.

Grass fed meat is important for O's.
Vegetarian is more than a stretch for Gatherer, even if you are talking peso-vegetarian.  The GTD Gatherer is more of a land animal eater than either the GTD Nomad or the mythical ABO non-specific GTD Explorer.


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Ruth,
If both parents (the A and B) have a recessive O and passed it to the woman in question, she could be Type O as stated with these parents...


Duh. I knew that! Still, it can't hurt to double-check her blood type.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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She has been working at her health for years now. Unfortunately she's in a tight spot, living in a stressful home and working a taxing job that demands keeping up a certain appearance. She doesn't have anything left to regularly do everything she needs to do to maintain her health.
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Stress can do a lot to your gut.  I think.  But there is usually a physical component too.  It all goes together, IMHO.


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