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I have a dear friend who is type O (I typed her myself). She has great difficulty digesting meat, so much that I thought she was a type A before I tested her. She has a slender build, is pear-shaped, and is almost certainly an Explorer. She gets most of her protein from nuts and tofu. Eating tofu has helped her a great deal with the terrible menstrual cramps she used to get. Eating meat or a lot of fat makes her badly constipated. I don't know what's going on here. She has worse food sensitivities than I do. What do you think is happening?
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Maybe she has BT 'A' in her close heritage - like one of her parents? (Not sure how to explain that scientifically) and it could also be an issue of gut damage from wheat &/or soy...(no matter how it helps her cycle)  
Also some of us O's do have less stomach acid than others..
As was suggested to me, digestive enzymes can help a lot
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I don`t know exactly yet.
But when I eat beef I feel more aggresive. And easily gets temper.
So I just eat fish instead most of the time.


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She says that if she eats fish she can smell it on herself the next day. Definitely some leaky gut issues there. She avoids wheat, dairy, sugar, and eggs, among other things.
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well there is always on oddball .. but soy? What a way to create issues? I understand the hormone thing, but I would look to other things.. or get it in homeopathic support.  There are other foods that will serve the same purpose..

Will she be ready to make some changes?  

I would almost guess she bought into vegetarian living, and finds all else repulsive.. she could eat eggs to start with, or find fault with it also?

IT does take some time to 'fix' the belly, and much detective work, with honesty! If the SOY was helping she would not need it as much.. but I would never want to get into that hornet nest of suggesting that it is all in the mind.

I might look at what she is eating that has enough Magnesium in it ( for muscle spasm) .. I think O's have a hard time getting enough. I suffered greatly (after on accident) for decades, maybe because, I did not have enough info on that subject)  




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Maybe she should look into a GAPS diet approach combined with O food.

I would get Probiotics for O type and eat a high dose.
I would get lots of beef, veal , turkey and chicken broth.
O friendly veggies with ghee or olive oil on.
Later some cooked fruit,
slowly introducing Meat, fish and eggs back in diet.

I have healed my leaky gut 2 with this approach and my friend who is O type have had lots of benefits from it as well.
She couldn´t handle any diary at all - had a problem with beef and eggs.
But today she can eat all things - including O type friendly dairy,
She keeps a good probiotic as back up - an eats lots of fermented veggies.


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If the gut is not strong, then eating more cooked foods can help to give a bit of breathing space. Cooking soups and stews and other slow cooking techniques helps to make meat and other foods more digestable. As the digestion gets stronger, you can then start changing the ratio of cooked foods and start eating more raw foods like salads etc.
Glutamine is a good amino acid that can supplement to heal the gut.
Maybe she has some food intolerances? An IgG test would buddy up well with BTD/GTD to help get whatever inflammation in there down.
Like Goldie said I would think magnesium could help her, and 4 day rotation (or as close as possible) so not eating the same food day in-day out and possibly causing more problems.
Many years ago I suffered the same problem, I would be in excruciating pain within half an hour of eating a steak, I could barely move and felt truly awful. It took a long time to heal my gut to where it is, now I can't go more than a few days without eating red meat and I digest it no problems.
Bananas - now there's a whole other problem..... And swami has them as a diamond for me
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O's are prone to ulcers.  Maybe she has an ulcer, though she would probably feel it intensely and have symptoms at times. (my wife is O gatherer and she has an ulcer right now, can't handle stuff she used to eat just fine.)
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Quoted from Henriette Bsec
I would get Probiotics for O type and eat a high dose..
I've tried to get her to take them. She says probiotics make her constipated too! The closest things I can get her to take are fermented veggies. Digestive enzymes do the same.

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O's are prone to ulcers.  Maybe she has an ulcer, though she would probably feel it intensely and have symptoms at times. (my wife is O gatherer and she has an ulcer right now, can't handle stuff she used to eat just fine.)
She has had an ulcer before.

The magnesium and glutamine seem like they could help. When I've fed her beef, it was cooked thoroughly; she liked it but it didn't go through well. It's like it's good for all of her except for her digestive system. Her diet is so limited that I don't think a rotation is practical.
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Two thoughts...

What ethnicity is she?

Can she take linseed/flaxseed for the constipation?
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A secretor test is vital at this point.  Her nuts, vegetable proteins, veggies, and fruit need to be the best they can be to support her digestion.  Slippery elm powder might relieve her digestion upsets.  Try to find a less objectional fish.  I find that I can barely tell which kind of fish I use in my fish stir fry.  Onions, radishes, lots of hot spices mask the fishy element.  Smell of curry the next day not fish.

The tofu is most likely addressing her estrogen/progesterone balance.  She should eventually come off the Tofu, but be ready with supplements to replace the help the tofu is giving or bio-identical hormone support from a specialist.

For upset digestion lamb/goat/ or mutton will be better than beef or suitable game bird if she is a non-secretor.  Beef is a goal that she does not have to reach just now.  Being an Explorer is not enough to make it likely she is a nonnie.  Check her index and thumb prints for absent symmerty - Explorer sign.  Whorl - loop or radial loop ulnar loop would count.


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Sounds like a liver issue, from my recent experience and checking back on records.

probably best initially if she eases up on protein perhaps only having protein at lunch time between 12 an 1 pm while she detoxes and you both get a plan of action together. eat smaller meals in the morning and evenings preferable vegetarian in the evening. use ghee but stick to min levels. absolutely no transfats or fatty foods for a while until sorted at least.

minimise toxins, so organic everything, stop cosmetics, environmental toxins, take it seriously while you look into liver and gallstone / flushes - or alternatives.

if explorer then Dr D recommends a fairly non invasive liver detox by drinking apple juice for a day and then curling up at night with a water water bottle and caster oil pack. see the results.

keep the sugar to a minimum, stop alcohol and chocolate for a while. get hydration increased.

glass of water first thing, then 30 mins before each meal to start preferable room temperature in the morning or even warm water, seems to help a great deal.

soaks in Epsom salts baths, Dr D's liver supplements

improve sleeping habits if out of kilter, bed by 10 pm  up early in the morning and get plenty of sun in a safe way but with out sunglasses and without sunscreen or any commercial sun cream, coconut oil is all we use.

eat compliantly and don't over eat! green tea also. oxo


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Quoted from TJ
She gets most of her protein from nuts and tofu. Eating tofu has helped her a great deal with the terrible menstrual cramps she used to get.


Actually in Dr D's Allergies book, for Type O, Soy tofu is listed under the Neutral/Allowed frequently category.  Interesting!  Maybe she does have alot of food sensitivies and this book might help her.

Tea Rose



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Quoted from yvonneb
Two thoughts...

What ethnicity is she?

Can she take linseed/flaxseed for the constipation?
She is white/western European heritage. I don't know about the flax, but my guess is that it would help.

Quoted from paul clucas
A secretor test is vital at this point.  Her nuts, vegetable proteins, veggies, and fruit need to be the best they can be to support her digestion.  Slippery elm powder might relieve her digestion upsets.
I don't know if I can sell her on the secretor test just yet. Slippery elm seems like another good idea. I'll suggest it. She's been taking guar gum with some benefit, but I don't know how it rates for her.  It's an avoid for me. Personally I wish there was something better than tofu, but it's working for her atm.

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Sounds like a liver issue, from my recent experience and checking back on records.

probably best initially if she eases up on protein perhaps only having protein at lunch time between 12 an 1 pm while she detoxes and you both get a plan of action together. eat smaller meals in the morning and evenings preferable vegetarian in the evening. use ghee but stick to min levels. absolutely no transfats or fatty foods for a while until sorted at least.

...keep the sugar to a minimum, stop alcohol and chocolate for a while. get hydration increased.
I agree with the liver issues, but how is it connected to the digestion? Not enough gall? Going light on protein might be another good thought. She doesn't drink alcohol or smoke. She doesn't eat sugar or chocolate (or at least only rarely).
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some forshkolin would be nice here ...wish you good luck and yup B-vits and C and
some glutamin to prevent leaky gut syndrome....


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Vitamins, B6 (higher amounts), zinc for enzymes, good fats with choline at same time (maybe just lecithin at same time), and make sure a lot of omega 3's. Then do regular liver stuff too, exercise!

Also sometimes people can't "tolerate" the healing crisis, don't forget that.
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Also sometimes people can't "tolerate" the healing crisis, don't forget that.


  they think they should just feel better-- but often they feel worse before they feel better.





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Check out "The Food Combining/Blood Type Diet Solution" by Dina Khader. Don't eat fruit or drink water with protein (15 min before, 45 min after). Fruit can ferment and cause gas when eaten with protein because they require different enzymes and digestion times. Drinking water with protein will dilute stomach acid and inhibit digestion.


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Is this some kind of detox? Did she have a bad diet &/or much illness before?

I also think the food combinations help.


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Re. her genotype, it sounds like she may be a Gatherer. They are often type o, are primarily vegetarian, and often pear-shaped. Could you perform Swami to find out?
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Re. her genotype, it sounds like she may be a Gatherer. They are often type o, are primarily vegetarian, and often pear-shaped. Could you perform Swami to find out?


  

I think vegetarian is a stretch.

Grass fed meat is important for O's.



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Check out Seacure. It's full of glutamine and pre-digested fish protein. Great for healing the gut. Dr D mentions it in LR. I have found lately that I am definately not at my best with red meat. Lamb is better and all need to be in small amounts. An organic, grass fed applegate farms hot dog is just the right amount to satisfy my craving. I do leaps and bounds better with fish and poultry, again, I don't need large amounts especially at one sitting. I make lettuce wraps with romaine, onion, cilantro, chopped artichoke and a tbsp of protein. Poultry works well for me too. My daughter is the same way with red meat. She is either a gatherer or explorer. Bone broth is the fastest way to healing that I know. I have a 1/2 cup every morning and immediately feel better. My digestion is great on the days I drink it and still good, but not as good on the days I don't. I don't get fussy with it. I just make a big pot of slow cooked bones, drain, strain and chill then add a little sea salt and kelp flakes and that's it. Tastes just fine, especially for the way it makes me feel immediately healthier. Good luck...everything is a mystery, right?


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Is this some kind of detox? Did she have a bad diet &/or much illness before?
She has been sick for years, with chronic fatigue and digestion issues.

I'm going to email this thread to her so she can look over it. I personally think that getting the secretor test and SWAMI are very good ideas, but they are expensive.
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My guess is her gut is messed up.  Meat is hard to digest when your guts are messed up.  I am a meat eater kind of guy and always have been, but when I was at my worst, Fish was really the only kind that went down, somewhat OK.  Even that was hard.  That's when I was pounding the ginger and garlic to get things to move.  But people say beware of ginger and thinning of the blood.  If she's an O, it might not be the best deal for her.  Or garlic either.  IDK.  But yeah, like Paul said, slippery elm might work.  It's in Dr.D's gastro D, or whatever they call it now.


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I was under the impression that, for some gatherers, a primarily vegetarian diet was preferable.
I.e. "However, among hunter-gatherers there is a variation from vegetarian to meat-eating that corresponds gradual change of climatic zones from the tropical to the polar regions. The main foods of northern hunter-gatherers were animals, those of the hunter-gatherers living in the tropical islands of Southeast Asia or the like were vegetables, the latter seeming to be typical of the oldest stage in the evolution of human food habits."
I know for myself, I have fewer meats than do others in my genotype (Teacher), but likely all teachers would have less than Hunters.
This is why a swami-profile I think would be most beneficial, barring other issues, and of course taking other issues into account, i.e. where her lineage is from and what other maladies she suffers. Without a proper and comprehensive first analysis, we are all sort of taking "stabs in the dark", which may be universally benifical things, but could also potentially be things that could cause more damage...
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