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ruthiegirl
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My 10 year old  type B son fell off his bike Friday afternoon and broke his wrist, along with scraping his face pretty badly. Right now his lip is pretty swollen and he's having trouble eating. Since the accident he's eaten jello (courtesy of the ER), apple juice, grape juice, milk, and a few crackers. He tried some yogurt but it was hard for him to eat from a spoon with his swollen lip. Most of his calories have come from milk, though his appetite is way below normal. I've also been giving him cod liver oil and arnica montana 6X tablets.

His face is healing rather quickly, so he should be able to have "real food" soon. What foods should I emphasize to promote the fastest healing? Are there any supplements I should be giving him?


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  13yo B+ Jack


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Dr. D
Vitamin C (preferably from food derived vitamin) 1000mg daily
Branch chain amino acids (500mg each minimum Valine, Leucine
Isoleucine)

These nutrients are in great demand in situations of bone breakage. I can
testify to their efficacy. They made my recovery from a broken ankle amazingly
rapid.


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Lola- where can I  get these supplements? What's an appropriate vitamin C source for a B? If I can't find a food-derived source of C, is he better off with ascorbic acid/corn based C vs not getting the extra C right now?

Unlike my 16yo, this child actually CAN swallow pills.


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If you can get to a good natural food store, there are several options out there now that are food-based (camu, amla berries, etc).  Ascorbic acid is not good for us. I take Tru C by the NOW company, which is amla berries @ 200 mg of C per capsule.

If you can slow-cook beef knuckle bones or the bones of whatever meat is acceptable to you - 8 to 12 hours.  Use this stock as a base for cooking other things, such as beans, soup, etc.



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I do have rosehips in the house. Maybe I should soak them in warm water and then add to a smoothie for him later?

Dr D seemed to reccomend a very large dose of C, and it's hard to get that much from food. I'm also wondering if an 85 lb child needs an adult dose of these supplements or if it should be reduced to 3/4 of an adult dose. (I'm saying 3/4 because I calculated that an adult dose of ibuprofin is 400 mg and the pediatric dose  for his weight is 300 mg- so he can take 1.5 adult pills instead of 3 teaspoons of HFCS laden syrup- when he's not taking hydrocodone.)


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Dried Rosehips are very rich in bioflavanoids, which are good for healing.  Alas, they have a very low actual dose of vitamin C.



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Make sure he has magnesium in his diet, the magnesium keeps the bones from 'brittling' up when they knit together.  

Vitamin C is water soluble, so anything that is not used is excreted.  Same with magnesium.  If you take too much of both, you will experience loose stools.
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It's hard to find magnesium sources that are compliant for Bs. I'll encourage him to take some epsom salts baths-  but that's hard right now just because he's in a "soft cast" (ace bandage is holding the plaster in place) but should be easier after he gets a permenant cast (I assume the waterproof fiberglass type) on Tuesday.  Maybe I can get him to soak his feet in epsom salts tonight.

His diet today was pretty awful- soda and ice cream at Hebrew school followed by soda, hot dogs, and ketchup at the BBQ. I told him he's had all the sugar and avoids for the week, and he needs to eat lots of healthy foods from now on to encourage healing. It should be easier to feed him well once his face and mouth heal.


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What's an appropriate vitamin C source for a B? If I can't find a food-derived source of C, is he better off with ascorbic acid/corn based C vs not getting the extra C right now?


rose hips might be best


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Ruthie - sorry to hear about your boy's accident... There is something (a herb?) called boneset/boneknit??!! Apparently it aids bone healing & one of the side effects can be constipation... So was just thinking maybe you could load him up on magnesium, vit C & this, & they should work together to counterbalance each other?!

One site sugested infusions rather than teas - as they've got more minerals in them (which you need for bone healing) and are more medicinal too. Nettle, comfrey, oatstraw. If you use horsetail, just add a small amount to the infusions (it's too strong to infuse on its own)
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Did Lola mention bone broth? if not why not give him some every day.

He is young and healthy he will heal-- and you are such a good mom that will help.


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Epsom salts would be good.  I tape plastic bags over casts/bandages to keep them dry in the tub or in the shower.  
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He hasn't had much appetite and it's hard for him to eat hot foods or chew anything right now. His mouth is healing quickly, but it's still hard for him to eat. I do have turkey bone broth in the house but he won't eat it. He's been having a lot of milk and smoothies and some crackers (they can be broken and chewed without him having to bite into it.) He's not getting anything with refined sugar in it and I told my Mom that she can "spoil" him with attention and TV time but not with unhealthy foods.

I plan to give him an epsom salts foot soak tonight- I meant to do it last night but the day got away from me. We're seeing the orthopedist tomorrow, so after that we'll hopefully have a waterproof cast (right now it's an ace bandage over something rigid) and if not we'll have instructions from the doctor about bathing. On Friday night in the ER I couldn't think of mundane things like that, and DS doesn't want to risk the cast getting wet by "doing it wrong" so he refuses to take a shower with a plastic bag over his arm just yet.

Hopefully his appetite will resume soon. Already today he didn't want the prescription pain medication so I gave him ibuprofin instead. He hasn't had any vegetables since Friday at his after-school snack, but he has had fruit in smoothies.


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Interesting about your son and wanting to do things right or wait for instructions from the doctor.  

We have had numerous broken body parts in my house, and I never thought of asking the doctor how to bath, I think since I come from a family of nurses, we just knew we could tape a plastic bag over the body part and get cleaned up.  I did invest in a leg sock for legs, a big rubber leg with a suction top, that you can use with a leg after surgery or in a cast.  

My oldest son had surgery last fall for a total dislocation of his shoulder as well as a break.  He wanted a bath to relax his muscles, so I taped plastic wrap over his shoulder, he didn't soak that shoulder in the tub, but at least his muscles got some relaxation from the hot soak.  

I have to say the grossest thing is when the cast starts stinking.  One of my kids had a cast during a hot summer after a biking accident and the thing started stinking after 3 weeks because my kid kept biking with the cast and sweating in it., I kept thinking the dog stunk until I noticed it was the kid.  It was so bad I had to spray Febreze on it, luckily the cast was removed that week.  
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Here is a grandmother's old patent to give the body "megadoses" of calcium, quicken healing of broken bones, and strengthen the bones:

In the evening, take a raw egg in the shell, clean well, put it in a glass, cover with freshly squeezed lemon juice, and leave for overnight.

In the morning, carefully remove the lemon juice from the glass, and give it to your son to drink.
The lemon juice has by now lost its acidity.

The eggshell is now soft, you may use the egg to make an omlette etc.

Do it for one week, then one week off, etc.  


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Sounds brilliant yaeli
Ummm Jean - Poor kid??!! I assume you wouldn't spray anyone (or thing) with febreeze now? It's incredibly toxic...
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Sounds brilliant yaeli
An angelic type B lady taught me this back in 1991, when I broke 2 ribs. At that time she was my psychotherapist.

15 years later she was the one who motivated me to start BTD.


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He had a temporary cast with an ace bandage over it- if that had gotten wet it would have been absolutely disgusting and uncomfortable. Now he has a fiberglass "water resistant" cast, which DS thought would mean he'd be able to go swimming and showering and not even have to cover it. The guy who put the cast on (not sure of his exact title, I guess some sort of orthopedic tech or maybe a nurse) explained that the cast is much more water-resistant than the plaster casts they made when I was a kid, but it still needs to be covered with a plastic bag when he showers.

Jean- your kid kept biking with the cast? I told DS he couldn't go on his bike until the cast  comes off. I can't imagine how he could hold the bike handle properly. Besides, his bike helmet needs to be replaced before he does any more riding.


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Might be better to let him so as much as he can to exercise his fingers and hands. Bike riding is probably good for him as it well exercise his hands.


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