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Dirty
Friday, May 11, 2012, 3:16am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Hello everyone. I'm new here, but have owned "Live right for your type" and "Eat right for your type" for over a year now and recently bought a copy of "Change your genetic destiny" and did the "Swami" thing. I have been 90%ing the BTD for over a year now and have a few complications with some of the foods, but overall think its a good idea. That"s why I bought the other books and the Swami.

I'm not sure how to get all this information in my profile, but I an A-, and a "Warrior" and don't know my secreter status.

Anyway to my question. Does anyone here have or have had a heart arrhythmia. I developed mine over 3-4 years ago and even though it hasn't killed me yet, I feel like I have already died. My life is not what it was and I can't do anything I enjoyed before this happened to me. It has ruined my social life and my personal life, and has been horrible for those that care about me.

I hope to be able to share any helpful information I have (if any) who could use it and be able to help other in any way in this community, but the reason I'm here is because I have very few options left to find a way to heal myself, and think Dr. D'Adamo's research is great and may be something that can help me. Since I can't work with him personally, I thought maybe someone here may have some useful info or personal experience with heart arrhythmia.

I would like to post much more detail about my condition, but I've already made this post to long, so I think I might make a page later and post the link for anyone interested.

Thanks for any info and I'm glad to be in this community finally.
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I'm not sure how to get all this information in my profile, but I an A-, and a "Warrior" and don't know my secreter status.


How to add comments like "Warrior" to the left of your posts:

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-ref/m-1219018887/#num1


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Have you had any treatment or instruction from a medical doctor about this? Or any testing done? The more information people have the better... I suppose you will be posting more later. I have the problem occasionally, but I have not been diagnosed with any serious problems at all after extensive testing. Usually mine is brought on by some type of trauma except when I was put on a blood pressure medication a few years ago that caused it. Of course, I quit taking it and that problem went away.

My mother-in-law had it really bad, but she lived to be nearly 85. She drove herself to the ER in the middle of the night on one occasion when she was having a very severe attack of it. Sangfroid could have been her middle name even though outwardly she was a delicate little thing. Amazing...!

So we will be waiting to learn more about your own experiences with this sometimes scary problem....


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Thanks for the link C_Sharp.

Hi Spring, to be more specific I have PVC's (Premature Ventricular Contractions), PAC's (Premature Atrial Contractions), and SVT's (Supraventricular Tachycardia), and "general palpitations", whatever that means.

These were diagnosed by a cardiologist.

I will make a page with all the info and data I have, but have spent so much money on doctors, ER visits, naturopaths, and alt. heath specialist, it may be a week or so, cause I have to spend so much time trying to keep the lights on and the family fed. I will get working on it as soon as I can. In the meantime, I can add that, I have tested phase 2 adrenal fatigue, low iodine levels (just got off iodine therapy), and have had a metal test using hair samples that came back very toxic levels of arsenic, lead, cadmium, thallium, antimony, and tungsten. My magnesium levels barely even registered even though I have been taking supplements for years.

I believe the problem is caused by the Vagus nerve, which is triggered by GI problems that I have and are currently undiagnosed by a "professional".
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as I read the heading I said this is going to be on A person..

It seems A's can have a lot of issues as you described..

I am somewhat surprised that it has not gotten better after one year?/  

Might I ask .. how has this affected you so negatively - life wise-- ?

why would you be showing up with so many metals.. any history work-wise?

sorry I have no answers, other than that many have issues and get scared by them.  That might be the wrong thing to allow for your self.. but I understand it can be scary..

I will keep reading as you share more info.. all the best and welcome..

as for your name.. I would change it to something more positive.. or am I reading that incorrectly?  


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Does anyone here have or have had a heart arrhythmia. I developed mine over 3-4 years ago and even though it hasn't killed me yet, I feel like I have already died. My life is not what it was and I can't do anything I enjoyed before this happened to me. It has ruined my social life and my personal life, and has been horrible for those that care about me.



Yes I do and am similarly Warrior.

I started with arrhythmia when I had a spell of over active thyroid, possibly brought on by stress in my early 30's.

The a gap, then lone atrial fibrillation about 10 years ago.

The most help and info I've had has been from the forum of http://www.yourhealthbase.com
http://www.afibbers.net/forum/list.php?9 [user name afibbers and pw 2 sesame to keep spammers out].

Many folks on there are actually type O's and dietary recommendations are paleo!!!!!  BUT it is worth reading the forum, asking questions, and reading the archived material etc..... esp note posts by Jackie - and Hans, the owner and editor.

I am back on here because I want the support offered here to be eating well for an A/warrior along with the info I've gleaned/gained from the specifically afib forum.

I use magnesium as glycinate orally and as dissolved in water sulphate on my skin.  I can't tolerate taurine or potassium supplements which is why I also need the BTD/GTD to reduce inflammation as much as possible in other ways.
Lots of reading for you and good luck! - it is possible to be in control without the condition controlling you.

One thing I've also learned is that if you can get to the point of saying "...to hell with my weird heartbeat...." and let it happen... then it will be more likely not to, that's my experience anyway.

As a precaution against blood clots, esp at my age, I do take a good quality nattokinase caps every 8 hours as the docs would like me on rat poison.

Joyce

PS my mother also had it and lived to 90, dying of pneumonia.
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Yes,I have it. I also have an enlarged heart, my left ventricle isn't pumping blood correctly, and a leaky mitral valve and somewhat low thyroid. I was put on baby aspirin, magnesium, potassium, a beta blocker, and a statin when I got out of the hospital last year, and also no more caffeine. However, I quit the beta blocker and statin because of side effects and inflamed liver. I have been taking L-carnitine, ubiquinol, B complex, under the tongue B12, milk thistle (for my liver - which worked), red yeast rice (for cholesterol), a good quality fish oil, 500 - 1000 mg of vitamin C every morning after breakfast, and a baby aspirin, calcium citrate, magnesium, potassium, and vitamin D3 an hour before bed. Recently I added a multi-vitamin (no iron for my age), astaxanthin, bacopa, and turmeric. I have to take liquid gels or capsules because I can't digest pills. Sometimes I take Iosol liquid drops for my thyroid. I plan to start quercetin soon. I walk two miles every day on my treadmill. Most of the time I feel good, but some days I feel tired or my chest has a heavy feeling. I find that happens usually when I eat something I am allergic to (my pulse will get extremely fast)or too many carbs. I'm also pre-diabetic. I can't do so many things I used to do, but I'm happy to still be here.
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Quoted from Goldie
as I read the heading I said this is going to be on A person..

It seems A's can have a lot of issues as you described..

I am somewhat surprised that it has not gotten better after one year?/  

Might I ask .. how has this affected you so negatively - life wise-- ?

why would you be showing up with so many metals.. any history work-wise?

sorry I have no answers, other than that many have issues and get scared by them.  That might be the wrong thing to allow for your self.. but I understand it can be scary..

I will keep reading as you share more info.. all the best and welcome..

as for your name.. I would change it to something more positive.. or am I reading that incorrectly?  



I have to say the past year has been the best year since all this started. I have gone just over a year without any major episodes (I'll have to describe them on my bio when I type it up), but they still happen and still often.

The way they have affected my life so much is, mainly becoming agoraphobic. Going to concerts, hiking, vacations, visiting friends or family out of town or having to commit a certain amount of time to anything stresses the hell out of me. The randomness and frequency, they happen keeps me close to home. This is not something that I can pretend isn't happening when they do, I have to stop everything, and get to my bed and try to breath and not freak out. These things give me severe anxiety attacks, something else I don't deal with well.

The metal toxicity, the best I can guess is use of prescription drugs through my teenage years, and I have a metal fabrication business, and have worked in machine shops for the past decade. Metal and abrasive dust, fumes, oils, coolants, metal working chemicals, etc. I have only started eating organic foods just over a year ago. I can't say that I have the healthiest career nor the healthiest hobbies, but I have switched all the metal working fluids to non toxic in my shop (for me, the other workers, and the earth), added extra fume extracting exhaust, and try to keep protective clothing and breathing and eye protection in all the work spaces. It's still not perfect, but alot better than when I started.

As for my name, there is no negative emotion in it. It actually pleases me as a term of endearment. I got it because of my personal lifestyle, not actually being or feeling dirty. It mainly came from my clothes being sewn up over and over again and homemade patches holding them together. The way I would fix my boots when they would come apart. I'm just not a person that throws things away the moment they get a hole in it or start to fade. I fix everything I can and keep it as long as I can. I don't go along with the "throw away society" we live in and think adding the personal touches to things gives them more soul and feeling. It's not a bad thing. It's just not going with the grain.

To everyone else that has responded, thanks and I will read up on your links and suggestions and thanks for the personal stories, and input. I really do think this is curable even though the doctors don't believe it. I just think there is alot more data that needs to be had in order to really find out what causes these.
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The way they have affected my life so much is, mainly becoming agoraphobic. Going to concerts, hiking, vacations, visiting friends or family out of town or having to commit a certain amount of time to anything stresses the hell out of me.

The randomness and frequency, they happen keeps me close to home. This is not something that I can pretend isn't happening when they do, I have to stop everything, and get to my bed and try to breath and not freak out. These things give me severe anxiety attacks, something else I don't deal with well.


Here is what you need to do.. go to the nearest pharmacy and buy one of those things to put on your finger to see the heart/pulse is doing..   JUST seeing the numbers and taking them down by breathing will make all the differences.  There is nothing so reassuring than seeing the numbers.  well worth the investment.  

as for FEAR it will kill you if you let it.. ask your doctor for propranalol, to start with for you to take when you get on attack.   But agro .. is bad business.  It is killing you and your life.. please see your doctor and ask for the above, as it will give you release of anxiety fear and fright soon after taking it..

KNOW THAT YOU WILL NOT DIE.. that is important.  Lets say.. even if you did.. so be it.. BUT you will not and you will just learn to trust that.  just knowing that your body is just reacting to some thought pattern even while sleeping is enough to trust it that it will do what it needs to do to SURVIVE.   Your need to fear based living is from something that 'crawled' over your liver some long time ago.. even your fixing things endlessly are a sign of some fear gone wrong.. There is no need to fear the loss of any thing.. there will be many who can benefit from things we have used up.. letting go is a healthy thing. as is holding some things dear.. There has to be balance.  

The palpitations are emotional in root, but in the end NOT REAL.  Learn about why, when, where, and how come .. see what you ate or what you did that day .. It might even be a sign that you are not getting enough out door time to breath to enjoy life to be with friends..  communicate here and we will be here to encourage you to let go of fear, let go of what is holding you back from joining life all over again.. get a new name like sunshine or happiness, or any that will help you to be reminded that there is more to life than fears..  

Make a wish board.. take magazine covers and paste them into a book, picture or on a wall to remind you that there is beauty out in the world.. wish for out door life.. with friends.. a cup of tea even alone in a park .. breath deeply.. as long as you are here with us you are not alone.. we will have that cup with you.. all the best..  


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Re "I believe the problem is caused by the Vagus nerve, which is triggered by GI problems that I have ".

That is a very common experience, Dirty.  I meant to say so yesterday but our broadband gave up!

Also as Goldie mentions, and I forgot as it is so long ago, maybe 2004, I was given some propanalol to take in case of emergency.... I forgot because although I have some in my purse, I think I've only actually used it a couple of times and not in the last few years.

A B-type friend who developed afib was put on daily beta blockers which actually made things worse for her.  She had been vegetarian for 20 years and switched almost overnight to paleo.... cutting out all grains for a spell and now introducing rice.
She has discovered she is gluten intolerant.

If you haven't tried gluten free, not using the processed foods!! do give that a go and eat as simply as possible - you have youth on your side and can almost certainly beat it without resorting to drugs or surgery - all of which are discussed on the forum I posted earlier.

Let us know how you get on.  
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Thanks Goldie & Joyce for the advice. I will research the propranalol. I must say that I have an extreme discontent for pharmaceuticals as I feel they have helped greatly in destroying my body. My mom calls me all the time asking if I want to sue some company that made a drug I was on that now have been shown to destroy peoples health. She see's this on television all the time and I had to tell her to let it go, that no amount of money is going to change the past. I don't have television and haven't had it for almost 4 years now. That has changed my life for the better. Ignorance really is bliss

I have to admit that I'm not really in constant fear. I usually only have my fear when it happens. The only time I have unfounded fears is when it's time to plan a trip or event to go somewhere. I have been a little more stressed the past couple days because I have to go to a wedding tonight. Some family wanted to ride with me because I don't drink and that automatically makes me the designated driver around here, but I like to know I can leave at any time without waiting on someone else. The fear really isn't that bad anymore. I have just got it in my head to persevere and get myself better. I (now) believe that it is possible and that I will do it.

I have made great changes in my life and am feeling the positive effects of them. I left the city and moved out to the middle of nowhere (that"s where I like to be), we designed and built our own house in the middle of the woods, and have tons of land and now can't even hear the road much less see it. We are almost in our own Garden of Eden. Life has slowed down in almost every way and we are surrounded by wildlife and tranquility. I still have lots of job stress, but I leave that at the shop. We now eat all organic foods and hopefully in a few months we can harvest our crops (even better).

My plans from here are to get my GI issues in check and then hopefully detox these metals. I don't think it's a good idea to detox while my gut is in such bad shape. Once I detox the metals, I would like to focus more on getting my adrenals back to good health. I still think there is a major link to the vagus nerve, and notice from years of experience, that usually when I have palpitations, my breathing is short or shallow, or my gut isn't liking me at the moment.

One more thing, Goldie, I do have a pulse/oximeter. It does help a little psychologically, and usually I notice the oxygen level to be slightly low when I have palpitations. I also have my own EKG and various other tools and equipment for medical purposes. My blood pressure on average is around 110/65 and when calm have a general pulse rate of 65 - 70 bpm. I do have logs on my EKG but doctors don't want to see any of that. Most of them think I'm crazy for having this stuff, but the reason I have it is because I have been shown that I can't trust them. Me going to the doctor is like a baby bird asking a snake to help it back up to it's nest. And that was when I had health insurance.  

Thanks again.
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Looks like you are doing many things right.. !  Enjoy the wedding.. go by your self.. as for later.. I am sending you a link to read.. all the best.. !


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Also as Goldie mentions, and I forgot as it is so long ago, maybe 2004, I was given some propanalol to take in case of emergency.... I forgot because although I have some in my purse, I think I've only actually used it a couple of times and not in the last few years.

I believe strongly in the notion that simply having something on hand that will help makes an enormous difference in how we view certain health issues, whether we actually take it or not. I don't think we can even begin to measure the toll that fear exacts from the quality of our lives and, most of all, our health! Some might think this is simply a crutch, but sometimes that is exactly what we need. And simply having it on hand works wonders all by itself!

I hope you will follow Goldie and Joyce's advice and make sure you have this medication in hand.


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I looked up Propranalol, and even though I hate drugs, I am currently taking 25mg of Atenolol daily and 1.5mg of Xanax. I want to get off of both of these and thats my goal for this year, to maintain without these. I definitely don't want to start taking more. To me that's going backwards. What is interesting about what I've read about Propranalol, is it seems to do what both of the drugs I'm taking now do. I will inquire about this next time I see my licensed drug dealer. It may even be a step down the road I want to go, especially if I get to the point I don't have to take it everyday. I do think this is just a crutch though, but at this point I really believe in using crutches if that"s what it takes. I still believe the healing I need isn't something drugs are gonna provide for me. That's something I have to do, and with the surprisingly great help the people on this forum have already given, I think it may come a little easier than I expected.

Thanks everyone. Enjoy your weekend. I'm off to watch alot of well dressed people get drunk and stupid. That may be liberating in it's own way. I definitely wont be eating tonight since I live in the land of pork and beer. I'll take an apple or two.
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The first thing I think of when someone has heart arrhythmia is the thyroid and I see that Joyce already addressed that.

I love the way you're going about your transition to a more quiet and healthy life.  I wish I could give you some wonderful advice but there are plenty of people on this forum who can do that.  I would rule out thyroid problems, though, as that is fairly easy to have checked.

Let us know how the wedding went.
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I looked up Propranalol, and even though I hate drugs, I am currently taking 25mg of Atenolol daily and 1.5mg of Xanax. I want to get off of both of these and thats my goal for this year, to maintain without these. I definitely don't want to start taking more. To me that's going backwards. What is interesting about what I've read about Propranalol, is it seems to do what both of the drugs I'm taking now do.


Xanax -- oh, boy. It is so addictive and it gets to the point where enough is never enough. I used it for several weeks after I had a terrific reaction to Clorox, (nerves shot, BP out of sight, etc.) and I saw right away that I didn't want to get cozy with Xanax. My doctor was trying to get me to take about six times more than I was taking, but I refused to do it. I got off of it by reducing the dosage gradually over a period of time and sticking to my diet religiously. And walking, walking, walking.......I was never so glad to get off a medication in my life. To tell you the truth, I think it actually brings on panic attacks, eventually. I had them so bad that I could not drive for months. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy is very good for that, though, which I administered myself. And it worked, to my astonishment! Haven't had a panic attack since!


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I looked up Propranalol, and even though I hate drugs, I am currently taking 25mg of Atenolol daily and 1.5mg of Xanax.  


Dirty, I doubt if you should take propanalol when you already take Atenolol - both are beta blockers and as I mentioned with my friend, and you will find on the afib forum, some people's arrhythmia is actually made worse by beta blockers.

I do cheat a bit because having been diagnosed with glaucoma I do sometimes use a drop of timolol [another beta blocker] to lower my intraocular pressure [IOP] - this does, despite the licensed drug pushers [love that!] denying it in the main, act systemically.... finding a doc who supports you is also important and I've recently been very lucky in finding one.... at least for my eyes.

Enjoy the wedding and yes, go on your own.

PS - don't come off beta blockers cold turkey, gradually reduce if you and your doc agree.
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Dirty said "... when calm (I) have a general pulse rate of 65 - 70 bpm." For me, when calm, mine is around 80. Even before I get out of bed, my pulse is never under 79. If I eat something I'm allergic to, my pulse goes up - eggs up to 125, gluten - 110+
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Dirty, you relating how you have to get to bed when you are having your episodes reminded me of when a central heating and cooling guy was here doing a sales pitch for his company/product. He already knew I was not doing well before he came. (I had developed sleep apnea and all that went with that, including panic attacks. Mostly related to the Clorox deal.) Anyway, I was sitting in the den, and he was standing out in front of me talking faster and faster. Suddenly, I went into a panic attack and had to actually lie down on the sofa with this guy standing over me talking even faster and faster. I couldn't take in a word he was saying and finally told him to just install the system without anymore discussion!! I found out later that HE had untreated sleep apnea and was having a panic attack while he was talking to me!!! The men who worked for him told me that his wife was on his back all the time about seeing a doctor for it because she was terrified that he was going to have a heart attack during one of those attacks!

It was hilarious in a way and perfectly awful in another. One of his guys was telling me the other day that he is now using CPAP and doing really well. And, thankfully, so am I!


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I really like keeping Rescue Remedy in my house at all times.  It can stop an anxiety attack in its' tracks.



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I really like keeping Rescue Remedy in my house at all times.  It can stop an anxiety attack in its' tracks.


Which version do you use, Victoria?


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NewHamshireGirl: I do have issues with my thyroid. I'm not aware as of yet how severe. I have not been back for a follow up or anymore test since I did my Iodine therapy. The last time I saw my licensed drug dealer, he told me that some of the blood test they did was for my thyroid and there was a problem. I don't have the details yet, because I wanted him to run another test since he was so anxious to put me on some drug that he claims I would have to take the rest of my life. I will get the details on the test and the results after my next one. As for taking drugs the rest of my life....he would have to say I would die very soon if I didn't. I would still get a 2nd,3rd,4th & 5th opinion before even considering going that route.

D.L.: Once make pulse rate gets to 90bpm or above, I have to be doing some serious breathing or my heart will start fluttering. If my breathing isn't in sync with my pulse rate, thats when thing go bad.

Victoria:
That is good stuff, and I carry some with me all the time, but I do find it a little to mild once my adrenaline is pumping. When my adrenaline starts going, even the xanax doesn't have a chance. Bach does make some good products.

Joyce: I was talking about maybe replacing the atenolol and xanax with propanalol. I definitely would not take all of those. I don't even know if I will try propanalol, but based on some of the recommendations here, I will inquire about it. If it can replace both of them, then that gets me off one more drug, and that"s one step closer.

Spring: I dig what your saying, and I am taking a very small amount each day. My dealer wrote on the prescription to take 2-3 pills daily. I take at the most 1/2 a pill 3 times daily. This is .25mg and I turned down his offer to increase the dose a few months ago. The thing is I don't get panic attacks until my heart starts skipping on me. I still don't really worry so much until it becomes constant, that's when I panic, and that makes it worse, in which case I panic more and so on going on the downward spiral to doom. I honestly think that the beta blocker and xanax (being such small doses that I'm taking) are little more than placebos, in which case they are a crutch. As I said before, right now I believe in crutches.

I do respect all of your opinions and am very grateful that anyone would take the time to share them with me. I don't mean to come across that I don't. Communications is much more difficult for me typing it out, and much more impersonal. I you could hear me verbally, it wouldn't sound so much like I was disagreeing with you. Thanks folks! I mean it.  



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Which version do you use, Victoria?


I buy the bottles and make my own treatment bottles by adding 5 drops to 2 oz of filtered water in a separate clean dropper bottle.  Once blended, I keep the treatment bottle in the refrigerator.



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Xanax -- oh, boy. It is so addictive and it gets to the point where enough is never enough.


Yes try to get off this drug first and foremost.. It causes so many problems .. but go slow.. ask your doctor to advise on how ..

keep the other drug for when you ned it.. and then take it..

As for the arithmia.. it will get better as you live better.. having the oxymeter makes all the difference... it will provide security.  And in the interim heed all the advice you see as pertinent. All the best..      


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Dirty, I didn't read this whole thread, but my husband had this and it turned out to be his THYROID, not his heart.  Yes, he got those anxiety attacks, too.  He was misdiagnosed for 13-14 yrs. by a leading heart specialist in our town.  He took Dajoxin (sp?) all that time to help control it.  Nothing helped until another doctor checked his thyroid.  Much better now!

After taking Standard Process nutrients prescribed by our chiropractor for 1 1/2 years, the doc says his heart and arteries are strong and functioning well.  He still, however, will get palpitations occassionally, brought on by stress and/or bad eating.  He is an A+, secretor.

Get that thyroid checked if you haven't already.  Remember, the thyroid controls the heart beat.  And, of course do your SWAMI and adhere to it COMPLETELY, at least for the first 60 days as Dr. D. says.  


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I just had 3 days when my pulpitations have been bothering me.. I will do a Iodine test.. thanks


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Dirty, don't worry about sounding like you are disagreeing. After all, we are simply throwing out educated guesses, and you are responding from where you are. And we ALL benefit!! I wish you felt like beating a pillow or something when the adrenaline starts pouring. The best thing under the sun is to simply work it off. (If you are able.) I used to walk, walk, walk as fast as I felt comfortable. Anything except staying still. Adrenaline is MADE for fast action!! So it figures that activity will get rid of it. That worked for me anyway.


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Enobattar: Your chiropractor wouldn't happen to be Dr. Ron would it?

Goldie: The past three days has been very busy for my heart palpitations as well. Every since Friday, this has been the worst in over 1 year, although by far not as bad as I've had by any means. I still can't figure out whats so different about this weekend. I've reviewed what I've eaten and how my days have gone, and I can't point out anything in particular. This drives me crazy.

Spring: One time when I was having what I call an episode (when I am having back to back PVC's, PAC's and palpitations that come in 2-4 second intervals that last an hour or more) I tried the "rage approach". It didn't work for me. I had enough and didn't care anymore, and got up and said  "F**k it! If this is how I go, then this is how I go! Just hurry up and do it and quit f**king with me already!" and got dressed, put on my boots, and walked outside to get one more look at the world before I died. Well I just stood there while my heart just kept skipping like a V8 running on 7 cylinders, looking stupid and waiting.......Finally I came back inside and took my boots off again and laid there until my wife called the paramedics. So far my adrenaline has never trigger my heart palpitations, but my heart palpitations trigger my adrenaline, and is very good at it. I really wish it was the other way around.
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Magnesium. This definitely needs working on. Maybe you need to read the volumes that have been written on this forum about using it on the skin. Some of the women who use it that way have written a LOT about it on this site. I think if my mag. was as low as yours, I wouldn't ever be able to sleep besides all the other problems a lack of it can create.* These are good sources of info:
http://www.livestrong.com/magnesium-deficiency/
http://whfoods.org/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=75
Maybe eating more of the foods recommended here that have a higher content of this mineral will raise your level.

I'm guessing from what you have written that you have spent more time trying to figure these problems out and what to do about them than any man around. Have you ever tried Hawthorn for your heart? I take two caps per day, and it does wonders for me.

*Do you sleep enough to get the rest you need? Sleeplessness can indicate a need for magnesium. I know the stress of simply writing all this stuff down is probably tough on you, but the more people know the better....


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I take 4 forms of magnesium daily. Mag. citrate, orotate, glycinate, and Chelated. I spread these out to 3 times a day with a total of about 1400mg. daily. I also use mag. oil on my skin every now and then. If I find the time to soak in the bath, I add magnesium sulfate and himalayan salt. I think most people would sh*t themselves to a coma with this much magnesium. This doesn't include the magnesium I'm getting in my diet, and I eat lots of mag. rich foods. Even with this much mag. I still sometimes go a couple days without sitting on my throne every now and then (which really cuts down on me reading time).

I believe this is a gut problem, and because of that, I don't think I am absorbing alot of the mag. that I ingest. I also haven't noticed any difference using the transdermal mag. chloride "oil" other than my skin itching sometimes where I spray it on my body.

It's almost laughable at this point, seeing some of the things I've typed up here and trying to read it from someone else's view point, just how much I have screwed myself up during my life. The rare moments that everything is alright with me, it's hard to believe just how bad it really is. These past 3 days have done me in, and I won't be going to work tomorrow. I need a break just from waking up sometimes. But like the saying goes...."If you don't think everyday is a good day, try missing one".
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Oh yeah! I don't feel right when I take Hawthorn caps. I don't know why, but thats been my observation 3 different times. I will try one more time in the future before I completely rule that out. I do drink tea with Hawthorn berries and leaves, with bilberry. That doesn't give me any problems, but I can't say it makes me feel any better either. I still drink it in hopes that it's doing something good.
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Oh yeah! I don't feel right when I take Hawthorn caps..


Although I take a small amount of hawthorn by breaking a caps I do know a lot of afibbers don't do well with it.

There is a lot of very good info coming from people here and I don't mean to detract from it in any way, but I can't recommend the specific afibbers forum enough to anyone who suffers with any arrhythmia.

It really is the specialist centre for this problem.

And as an after thought I have nothing to gain from recommending it!

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I think the biggest favor you can do your mind and body connection is to reiterate to your own thinking THAT this will pass.  That you are ok, and that it is just something going wrong for a few moments.        

I think we can make your self nuts over worry,.. You already proved that you will survive this.. you have shown it to you, and seen it happen.  Yet the mind does not know fiction from truth.. it believes what it 'knows' not what is so,, The body never forgets, it Knows what is so.  

The mind controls a lot, but the brain is also important. Reassuring all parts is a great tool.  Yes You can do it.  I feel for you, but just pull out the oxymeter and see how you are able to make even a slight difference MENTALLY by breathing.

I sometimes wonder if showing no trace of something means we just don't get 'rid' of it through hair or skin testing.. I wonder even if you need all that Magnesium.  I wonder what the counter part to magnesium should be to balance, be cause the body knows how to get rid of stuff it has enough of.. have you thought of letting the magnesium go for a few days?? Just asking.. I have no idea about that.. but to much is to much, no matter what it is..

all the best.. a warm hug..

I pm'd you ..

    


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And fish oil. No doubt you have gone that route too. I have heard of people whose problems were helped with taking more than usual of that.

As for the mag not causing diarrhea, I read about a man who kept taking more and more magnesium thinking he needed it because he never showed any sign of loose stools. Well, he was tested and the reason he was feeling so awful was that he was taking far too much, and he was simply one of those people who didn't have diarrhea from too much mag.! He immediately started feeling better when he left it off!


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You may have already seen this on the thread, but PLEASE read it if you haven't!!
Dr. D'Adamo's Commencement address
http://www.generativemedicine.org/2012-commencement.shtml


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Enobattar: Your chiropractor wouldn't happen to be Dr. Ron would it?



No, Dirty.  Get your thyroid checked.  It won't hurt and you can knock it off your 'probable cause' list.  


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Even being a little low on iodine makes me feel terrible. I hate to think what other horrible stuff actual thyroid problems could cause.


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I had terrible palpitations daily and they couldn't figure it out. Turns out it was as simple as giving up wheat, corn or dairy. gave them all up at the same time so not sure which it was but I have been free of palpitations since BTD. food intolerances can cause them. I'm not implying it's that simple, just something to consider.


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My magnesium levels barely even registered even though I have been taking supplements for years.


Maybe you haven't been absorbing the supplements you've been taking, or you've been taking far too low a dose. Have you looked into transdermal magnesium therapy? It's when you spray magnesium oil (it feels oily but it's really a solution of magnesium chloride) on your skin rather than ingesting it. Magnesium is very poorly absorbed through the GI tract and much better absorbed through the skin. Epsom salts baths can also be helpful at getting magnesium levels up.


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I take 4 forms of magnesium daily. Mag. citrate, orotate, glycinate, and Chelated. I spread these out to 3 times a day with a total of about 1400mg. daily. I also use mag. oil on my skin every now and then. If I find the time to soak in the bath, I add magnesium sulfate and himalayan salt. I think most people would sh*t themselves to a coma with this much magnesium. This doesn't include the magnesium I'm getting in my diet, and I eat lots of mag. rich foods. Even with this much mag. I still sometimes go a couple days without sitting on my throne every now and then (which really cuts down on me reading time).  
I believe this is a gut problem, and because of that, I don't think I am absorbing alot of the mag. that I ingest. I also haven't noticed any difference using the transdermal mag. chloride "oil" other than my skin itching sometimes where I spray it on my body.


Ruthie, I think you could say Dirty has done his part with trying to get mag. to work for him.


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Ah, that's what happens when I respond without reading the entire thread carefully.


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I am of the believe that if something does not work, then go back to food and let the insides work things out. It might take longer, but in my way of 'testing', it is safer.  

From all the readings here, and seeing friends, I see that A's are prone to things others experience differently.  Foods make a big difference, seeing what you eat might make a difference. Sometimes one or the other substance can make a difference and act like a 'allergy' and cause some kind of reaction.  Reducing intake to the simplest foods might be one thing to look at for a few days adding one food at a time to feel reactions to each item..

Environmental situations and emotional responses can not be ruled out to items as well as people and pets.  But you have gone through some of these things already and tried to analyze some issues, so the hunt is more difficult, but worth doing and starting from scratch..  Things do change over time and starting fresh some days is worth the effort.  

I might therefore also look at the surroundings and see if there is possible some pollen or mold situation that can aggravate the sublime body reflexes.  Including looking at all foods, laundry and perfume to make sure all is as 'clean' as possible.   The answer might be from outside instead of on the insides, even though you are 'feeling' it on the inside.  

The posting of Dr D's address was a good idea in that regard.  It is well worth reading and see if it has any meaning to you..  


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Thanks everyone for the responses. I have alot to read. Ruthie, if I had just run across this thread, I wouldn't have read all of it either. It has gotten pretty big. I will post again sometime tomorrow, after I have read the links, post, etc. It's harder for me to post during the week, so if I respond in short, I still appreciate the feedback. Thanks guys!
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I do have issues with my thyroid


well, you are in the right place!

BT/GT system heals your gut, and all follows.....balancing out your systems


as Dr D often says: "heal the gut, heal the thyroid  "


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as Dr D often says: "heal the gut, heal the thyroid  "
Wow!

(Even though I was a living proof to this, I am still so amazed at how simple this sounds, the road is paved!)

It is so important to know that there is an immediate connection and relationship.



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Wow! (Even though I was a living proof to this, I am still so amazed at how simple this sounds, the road is paved!)

It is so important to know that there is an immediate connection and relationship.


Beautiful!!


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Dirty, I believe that while all of this advice is intended to be helpful, heart issues are extremely serious and should not be looked at as something that can be simply cured by diet and exercise.  It depends on what those issues are.

For instance, my husband has Wolf Parkinson White Syndrome (WPW), which is a problem with the electrical wiring in his heart.  It was discovered when he was in the 8th grade.  He tried to manage his heart issues with diet, exercise, rest and meditation.  When he finally decided to have an ablation about three years ago, his doctor informed him that he had the type of WPW that can cause instant death because both the upper and lower chambers of his heart were involved.  It is also important to note that this very same doctor told my husband and me prior to his procedure that first of all, he wasn't even sure if my husband had WPW and second of all, that if he did have WPW it was a very mild case.  Even this specialist was unaware of the seriousness of my husband's heart issue until he actually started doing the procedure.

While the ablation seemed to last for a short period of time, it appears my husband needs another ablation because his heart is acting very erratically again.

My advice, after having lived with a man for 27 years with a serious heart condition is this:  follow your doctor's advice.  Eat right, which it sounds like you are doing already.  Get plenty of exercise in whatever form your doctor feels your heart can tolerate.  Get plenty of rest and sleep.  Consider a form of meditation and use this mediation technique when your heartbeat becomes erratic.  Get a second opinion if you feel it is necessary.  Look at the circumstances that trigger your erratic heartbeat.  Are you under stress?  Are you tired? Have you been drinking alcohol? Have you ingested stimulants such as coffee or green tea or other things with caffeine?  Have you eaten something new or different?

The things that definitely impact my husband's irregular heartbeat are stress, lack of sleep, lack of exercise, caffeine and alcohol.  Consider keeping a journal and record your food, drink, exercise, stress level, amount of sleep and feelings of well being versus feelings of anxiety.

If medication is indicated by your doctor, take it.  It could save your life!!!



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Patty, did your husband have palpitations, arrhythmia, etc.?


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Yes - WPW is an electrical problem in the heart.  Basically, he had too many electro-conductive pathways in his heart.  When he had excess adrenaline, these additional pathways would open up and cause a very dangerous, extremely rapid heartbeat.  His heart has been clocked at over 280 beats per minute.

Here is something from pubmed that describes it:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001206/

Unfortunately, my husband probably needs another ablation which is done by an electrophysiologist.  With the body's ability to heal itself, it can regenerate the unwanted excess electrical pathways as I understand it.  We are actually waiting on the referral from his PCP.


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Yes - WPW is an electrical problem in the heart.  Basically, he had too many electro-conductive pathways in his heart.  When he had excess adrenaline, these additional pathways would open up and cause a very dangerous, extremely rapid heartbeat.  His heart has been clocked at over 280 beats per minute.

Here is something from pubmed that describes it:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001206/

Unfortunately, my husband probably needs another ablation which is done by an electrophysiologist.  With the body's ability to heal itself, it can regenerate the unwanted excess electrical pathways as I understand it.  We are actually waiting on the referral from his PCP.

Hope everything goes well for your husband, Patty H. I don't think I ever got to over 255 bpm, and that was pretty unnerving, to say the least!
It seems that they would have found this when they were doing the testing on Dirty ----? Is it hard to diagnose? Maybe you noticed that Dirty does not have insurance and, apparently has some pretty heavy stress with his relatively "new" business and lifestyle, even though it is so much better than it was before. And has spent a LOT of money on medical bills. I just hope we don't give him more stress than he already has under the circumstances. He had said that he had been better for the last year or so - I think. I really empathize with him.


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(a good educational post Patty H.)


I had on attack recently, but no where near the numbers mentioned above.  I think the reason to use on oxymeter is to see just how bad it really is OR if it only feels bad.  I get numbers over 90 so no big deal but they feel uncomfortable .. and scary.  Testing and seeing that I can get the numbers down by breathing is a comforting issue.  

I THINK my bad numbers last week came on by something I ate.  I was eating out at a party and can not help but suspect that it was something in the foods - maybe some kind of preservative or whatever..  2 days later I was ok again, so clearly my issues are not the same ... therefore I believe that eating RIGHT is a good beginning, Oxy testing is a must, and knowing with a doctor what is going on is all important.  

For me however in this thread, there was a 'clue' that this might be emotionally stimulated as described in one of the first posts where there was 'fear' of going out of the house.. Even fleeting fear like that is important to get under 'control'.  Answering the questions on what do you eat, drink and do, is a good start, and telling how high the pulse rate goes makes a big difference also.  

Anything over 120 resting, and I think I would put in a call to someone -- IF -- I ate correctly the days before.. any pulse over 200 -- I would check in the emergency room to find answers.  

I get low oxygen, 89 to 93 is normal for me, KNOWING that helps the nurses when they take it during doctors visits. When I improve my breathing the pulse comes down a few.. normal pulse for me can be 60 to 70 when I eat Right. Pulse and palpitations feel quite different.



      


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Hi Spring and Goldie - my intent with Dirty was not to scar him but to be sure he follows his doctor's advice.  Heart arrhythmia can be caused by many things, as we have seen from this thread, but it is important to not just assume that it is caused by foods or food additives, stress, etc.  It can be organic in nature, like my husband's WPW.

In fact, as I stated earlier, stress makes my husband's heart problems much worse.  That is why I recommended meditation.  Of all the things he does, getting enough sleep and meditation seem to help the most.


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Hi Spring and Goldie - my intent with Dirty was not to scar him but to be sure he follows his doctor's advice.  Heart arrhythmia can be caused by many things, as we have seen from this thread, but it is important to not just assume that it is caused by foods or food additives, stress, etc.  It can be organic in nature, like my husband's WPW.

In fact, as I stated earlier, stress makes my husband's heart problems much worse.  That is why I recommended meditation.  Of all the things he does, getting enough sleep and meditation seem to help the most.


I think there is much more to Dirty's story and how he has tried to deal with his problem than he has posted. (I mean, how many people do we know who houses medical equipment such as he has?!) In fact, I would guess that he has hardly dented the surface in relating his situation. I hope he will be up to giving more information, but I fear that it has been a strain on him, maybe more than he could afford, simply to post what he has.

But I do want to be clear, that for my part, I think the thread has been very informative and educational. But aside from that, there may be an elephant in the room that we are missing entirely. But no one has said we aren't still human!  


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"my intent with Dirty was not to scar him"..... scare.. no not - either way.. your post was caring and out of your own experiecne.....  

I thought your post was well placed - I never knew such a thing existed ..      

All the best to your husband too.  What a way to spend his life from childhood on, with such a diagnosis, at a time when 'they' had fewer means to fix it.

I pm'd you..  


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Wow! This has become a much bigger thread than I expected. Thank you everyone for your feedback, and thanks again just for caring enough to respond to any of this. I am very grateful. If all of you were doctors, the world would be cured.

I'm gonna see if I can make this short. My weeks are very hectic.

Patty, thanks for the info and your concern. I agree with you, but am not as fortunate to have access to medical attention. I used to have insurance, and when I did I saw multiple doctors for these issues. The first time I saw a cardiologist, they did blood test, ekg, and made me run on a treadmill then took ultrasound on my heart and valves etc. I wore a heart monitor for 1 week. I never saw the doctor again, just his assistants. They told me everything was fine. They could not give me answers to my questions, and could give no solutions. They said it wasn't my heart. So if it wasn't my heart, it must be my lungs? Do lungs have spasms? I went to find out. I saw a pulmonologist and he listened to my breath, took some blood, and then shot me up with some kind of dye, that makes you think you pissed yourself, but didn't, and sent me through a miniature stargate machine. Lungs are fine. I was even told there are no spots on them (whatever that means). I gave up and told myself "there nothing wrong with me. It's either some wierd muscle problem or I'm just losing it". After a few months of just dealing with it, BAM! I had one that was way different than before. Shortly after another. They began to get more intense and more frequent. I went to my GP, and told him what was going on and he said he would refer me to another cardiologist. This was another fancy group of heart specialist, kind of like the one before at the all might Emory. They do all the test, blood, ekg, ultrasound (resting this time), and give me a more sophisticated heart monitor to wear for a month. It wasn't until the 2nd to the last day, that I had any palpitations. I thought that was enough. The weren't big one's, but I thought they would register. Nope. About a month after that, they became pretty consistent. Almost every day. I had to cuss my GP to get me another referral. I went back and was fitted with the same kind of heart monitor, and from day one was sending data. I still kept it on the whole month, because I thought the more data the better. By the end of the month I had scars on my chest from wearing the sticky electrode pads. They had removed my skin. The cardiologist finally comes in and says they detected, PVC's, PAC's, and SVT. He briefly explained what that meant. He said there was nothing he could do about it, that I would just have to ignore them. When ask him if he could ignore someone punching him in his gut (thats the effect, but without the pain)and still carry on a conversation, or continue with his work like nothing just happened, he started, the drug talk. He offered to give me a pacemaker, but being 31 years old at the time, and having not exhausted all other options, I said no. That just wasn't on the table. He said he could give me anti-arrhythmic drugs, but they often do more damage than good, and that wasn't on the table either, so I walked away with a prescription for Atenolol. I didn't take it, and started seeking alternative options. Everyday reading and researching, asking questions, seeking answers, my life became about this. My only concern with life was to keep it. I wanted to live life without feeling this way and I probably over did it. With the past experiences I've had with licensed drug dealers and now these heart people not willing to help (there's alot more to the story that angers me that I'm leaving out so I can give me fingers and your minds a rest, so this is the short, sugar coated version) I started taking all the info I had found , bought alot of my own supplies and equipment, and started keeping my own data. I thought maybe one day this would be valuable to someone that might know about the heart and cared about mine. I had books filled with information. My whole life was logged for a year or so. Everything from food, drink, blood pressure 3-6 times a day, oxygen levels, bowel movements, urine PH, saliva PH, ekg logs, hours of sleep, vitamin intake, mineral intake, color of my poop and if it floated or not (I don't know why) how many steps I took that day, every teaspoon of everything that went inside me, and times and dates for all of it. I even logged when my wife and I had sex and what my BP and heart rate was immediately after. Yes! I said it. Talk about killing the romance in your life. I'm glad my wife has such a great sense of humor, and I have no sense of humility. I think this is what ultimately led to the xanax.

Jan 21, 2011, I had the worst episode to date. My wife and I were on our way up to work on our house for the weekend (we drove 2.5 hours to our land on Fridays, worked on getting our house built *DIY* and drove back home Sunday evening for over 2 years until we were done) and it hit he about 30 minutes from our land. We stopped at my aunt"s house so I could lay down and see if I could get them under control. No chance of that. These were so bad, about every other beat would pause for 1-2 seconds and thump back on. I would get a normal beat, then mis the next one, and then a double beat 5 times harder than it should be. This went on for over an hour, before me aunt called the paramedics. The response time out here is like 30+ minutes. It stopped maybe 5 minute before they got there. The took my vitals, and I sent them on there way. I just relaxed for about an hour, and then had a bite to eat. 10 minutes after eating, it started happening again and lasted for almost another hour. This is when I started taking the beta blockers, and xanax, per the paramedics request. At this point, what did I have to lose. I had already accepted that I was gonna die in that bed, that this really was it. Well, it wasn't. We left to go back home the next morning, after that, I couldn't give a sh*t about building a house. The next week was pretty rough, but nothing like that previous friday. Well exactly one week, after that episode here we go again. This time is when I tried the "rage approach" that I was telling Spring about in an earlier post. Needless to say the data collected from the ekg on the way to the hospital disappeared and the doctors sent me home with a fat bill and the same response "nothing we can do". This is when I went to a naturopath and had my adrenals tested, iodine level tested, metal toxicity test, and so on. This is where I first heard of the BTD and other things that I have pursued.

Anyway, I still skipped alot, but I was trying to make this short. So much for that. This is why I have to find the time to write up a bio about this. This is the sugar coated version and only a small piece of it.

I have been slowly getting better since then, but nowhere near normal yet, and still have bad days and every now and then bad weeks, but so far haven't had an "episode" in over a year. I have no faith in doctors, and no money for naturpaths. I found a GP here that I can see for $25 per visit, but they told me they wouldn't see me anymore until I see another cardiologist. I told them I don't have the $375 they wanted for an appointment, that's why I going to see her $25 not caring expletive deleted, but that was that. This is where I am, and doctors are not going to save me. I have to do that myself or die trying. I just thought I would see if I could get any extra help here, and I have. By the way, if you have read this far, you need a hobby!  

Sorry for the long post, but I had to clear that up. Thanks everyone!

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By the way, if you have read this far, you need a hobby!  



Good morning Dirty, I obviously need a hobby!!!! but my 'hobby' is attempting to help people be aware of the wonderful help via the internet which all too frequently transcends anything an 'orthodox' doc will even have a glimmer of.

Your story would not be alien to many on the afibbers site, I've read similar many times.
You do sound as if you are getting a handle on this yourself which is brilliant considering the stress and lack of help you have had.

I know without Hans's forum I'd have been on drugs by now, but with info there and on here also, I'm not and never have been.

On that forum is a man by the name of George, he was vegetarian, ill and did lots of tests as you have done in a scientific way.  I asked his blood type = O what a surprise  
Now he is so much better for eating paleo [BTD not really believed, but so similar to paleo for O's why should I comment   ]

Another young woman, who is in the archived forums and went on to study nutrition was so bad she had seizures with her arrhythmia........ once she began eating for her O type she recovered, though she puts it down to something else that was in her food intake .... but I find it most interesting observing from a distance sometimes  

BTW you might be taking too much magnesium - your post [and a argument I got into on another site!] made me look up this link again and I've just reduced mine the last couple of days on the strength of it.

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/minerals/magnesium/

Good health to you Dirty  

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Patty, thanks for the info and your concern. I agree with you, but am not as fortunate to have access to medical attention. I used to have insurance, and when I did I saw multiple doctors for these issues. The first time I saw a cardiologist, they did blood test, ekg, and made me run on a treadmill then took ultrasound on my heart and valves etc. I wore a heart monitor for 1 week. I never saw the doctor again, just his assistants. They told me everything was fine.

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SO at least it's NOT your heart!


so I walked away with a prescription for Atenolol. I didn't take it, and started seeking alternative options.

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Taking this drug was my first suggestion- for the fear of it..


Talk about killing the romance in your life. I'm glad my wife has such a great sense of humor, and I have no sense of humility. I think this is what ultimately led to the xanax.

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so you need to blame her?  for a bad drug ...


It stopped maybe 5 minute before they got there.

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yes the body has ideas of it's own when the mind needs a break...


but so far haven't had an "episode" in over a year.

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just what I expected


This is where I am, and doctors are not going to save me. I have to do that myself or die trying. I just thought I would see if I could get any extra help here, and I have.

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So what is it that you learned from us.. what are you eating NOW?


By the way, if you have read this far, you need a hobby!  

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so right but some of us where desperate when we came here, and some remember and give back..


Sorry for the long post, but I had to clear that up. Thanks everyone!

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No you are not.. you needed to unload.. to let go.. I purposely revered all the boxes here to show you that all your efforts where reversed.. the more you tried the more you lost....


SO here goes MY personal advice!  a) tell us what you eat.. and how high the pulse/oxymeter goes on a good and bad day..

b) reduce or eliminate all your supplements and reduce your pills and all else unless it is food.  Don't endanger your self doing this.. go slow.. but in a month you will feel better.

c) reread the pm I sent you..  


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WOW // IF the above does not make you confused then nothing will...

BUT I see the need for you to REVERSE some thinking.. This is not the case of having neglected the MEDICAL end of it all.. You are healthy enough, just some things are happening to you.. yes they are.. but reversed thinking can get you all mixed up..

You somehow have decided that this is your life.. yet it is not so, but who am I to convince you otherwise.. We all choose our own way of life and living.. and seldom if ever do we change.. we know the misery we are in, we are afraid of the change that might make a difference.. You are not alone, but there is help, you just have not followed it through..

I am not taking any of this lightly, but I have seen results others can only imagine.. you can be such a person who over came..   give change a chance..


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Man.......This experience sounds like a conglomeration of all the bad experiences with doctors that I have ever seen posted on this forum over the last ten years!

Reminds me of the seven years it took to get acid reflux diagnosed simply because I was not hurting in the "right place."

Well, Dirty, I think you have indeed come to the "right place!"

I can't help but notice that you have not mentioned a whole lot about the stress that has been going on in your life. (Except, of course, all the stress from dealing with those doctors and the episodes themselves!) But to tell you the truth, from the little you have said, it reminds me of someone taking a lot of pains to feed a horse the right stuff every day, but regularly beating him nearly to death to make him run faster! And even if he isn't running, he is made to feel he should be running! Does this sound familiar?!

We have a young friend who has a huge car repair business with two locations, and he and his men stay in triple high gear all the time trying to keep up with all the business that piles in every single day. He is running all the time and seems to thrive on it. (He has some other businesses too.  ) The thing is, though, he is an O-Type.

I'm hoping that with the house built, getting to move away from the rat race (I have palpitations just thinking about driving through Atlanta on I-85!! ) and your efforts to clean up your work environment, altogether, will make your life a whole lot better! I gather that this is already beginning to happen. And with less stress on your body, the less need for supplements - so you could keep that in mind too. And the sooner you feel up to getting off the Xanax, the better.


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Dirty,

I have SVT's and PVC's also.  

I'll try and be brief.  First off, I totally know what you're going through.  I used to be a do it all, get lots of things done, full of life person and my arrhythmia took that all away.  I think there is something CAUSING my arrhythmia and I'll get to that.

I also didn't go the drug route.  But I am blessed in that I was able to quit my job and my wife went full time.  She has a good job and it has worked for us.  But it has changed our lives.

I had a health crash at age 35.  I lost 20 pounds in one month and was sick to my stomach after eating all the time.  And it's been a fight ever since then.  I'm 40 now.

The big problem with arrhythmia's and many other health issues is the doctors rarely know WHY things happen and don't go to the source.  They just treat the symptoms.  There are good reasons for this and bad reasons.  Bad reasons is they're lazy, overworked, want you hooked on a drug because it benefits their wallet, they're too proud to admit they don't know why and won't dig deeper.  And they just are above their pay grade.  The good reasons would be it's not the doctors fault that the insurance companies won't pay for many tests that actually figure this stuff out.  Plus, it is sometimes a very complex thing.  

I have gone to alternative doctors also to help me.  I have found a lot of help with supplements and diet and figuring out on my own what to do.  

This is why I think I have mine.  I have been diagnosed with lymes disease and it took them a long time to figure that out.  I think it has affected my nervous system, well, I know it has.  And I think that's the cause.  If it will ever go away or not, I have no clue.  I still get them now and then.  And my Electrophysiologist said mine is one that is inoperable.  But he also said it's not life threatening.  I lived with mine for years before they ever caught it in a medical setting.  I got sick one year and it lasted for over 3 hours and I ended up in the ER.  There had been other times that as soon as I got there, it went away.  So... It was frustrating.

I carry metoprolol tartrate for AS NEEDED.  I don't take it every day.  I just carry it in case I get them and they don't go away.  I still get them every once in a while and they usually pass in a couple of minutes. And that's without taking the drug.  I just lay down, like you said, and drink some water and eventually they go away.  But if I push myself physically, or even mentally and get all stressed out, they can last for longer and be more of a thing to deal with.  I chose to just cool down, live a slower paced life and not take drugs to deal with it.  I don't know if that's the right way or not.  Many people choose to take drugs and continue their hectic lifestyle.  But again, I'm blessed to have a wife that was willing to swap roles.  We homeschool our kids, so, one of us had to be home anyways.  So we switched.  

Things that I think have helped:

Cod liver oil.  I have taken that every day for a long time.  1 teaspoon.
Coq10.  I take this regularly.  50mg a day.  Maybe 4-5 times a week presently.
Avoiding caffeine.  I have not drank a caffeinated drink in over 5 years.  Even green tea I get decaf.  I don't even drink decaf coffee any more, as it makes me feel kind of weird too.  I have ended up eating a little dark chocolate regularly, and it seems to be OK.  But I avoided chocolate for a long time previously.
I don't eat much sweets at all.  In fact, there was a long time I didn't eat any.
Healing the gut.  I had all kinds of gut issues and I'm sure this played a role in the health of my nervous system or electrical wiring.
When I cut out chicken and onions, I got them less.  Cutting chicken out made me less bloated.  Before that I would always have a feeling of pressure on my chest from my gi.  Like it was pushing up on my heart and lungs.  And when I'd bend over, it would easily cause my arrhythmia.  For me, after cutting chicken out, that was helped very much.  AB's and B's are supposed to stay away from chicken.
Onions for some reason definitely cause them.  For me.  I'm not sure why, other than something to do with the sulfur in them, or I don't know.  I know other people that have allergies to onions and it makes them feel weird.  One guy I know says he'll practically start hallucinating after eating raw onions.  
I also have turned to following this diet and eating as pure a food as I can afford.  Which I can't really even afford.  We've drained our savings just to eat healthy.  
yeah, good sleep helps too.  We bought a better bed.  Tempurpedic.  I love that bed.  I used to sleep horribly though.  Well, after I had my "crash" as I stated.

There is probably more, but my post is long.  And I have to start cooking lunch.

I pray that you get some comfort.  You may think about the possibility of lymes disease.  Do you have fatigue?  I'm not saying it's the reason, but I know it attacks the nervous system eventually.  I went to mayo clinic and had a bunch of tests done and the neurological tests were the only ones I failed.  Yours may be caused by something else.  And I'm sure that's what you've been trying to figure out for a long time now.

I know how you feel.  I prayed for you the last couple of days because I feel your pain and started to read your thread a couple of days ago.  It's not fun.  Life sometimes throws us big curve balls that make us want to give up, cry, shoot something, break something, dig a hole and go live in it.  Etc etc.  It has not been fun for me because I grew up real strong and healthy.  This has kicked my butt.  But I guess it was my turn to be messed up.  And I've learned a LOT of really good lessons in the trial.  It's hard to see the upsides, but they are there.  I pray we both learn our lessons, and learn how to deal with life.  And have joy in the midst of our pain.


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Thanks, JJR, for posting your own journey down what seems a very, very similar road....I think your prayers led you to post your story!
I can relate so well to what you said about chicken. Oh, boy, the stuff was doing me in, and I was soooo happy when I saw it was an avoid on my SWAMI diet!!! It was worth every penny to have that confirmed!
Thanks again.......


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I had some problems a few months ago with rapid heartbeats and what I think were palpitations. By the time the Dr. ran an EKG everything was normal.
I had thyroid cancer and don't have a thyroid anymore so I'm on thyroid drugs at a suppressive level and my dose was too high.  When we reduced the T4 (levoxyl) by just a little it went away for the most part.  I also have a very low dose of Lorazepam .05 mg for anxiety just in case I need it.  My PCP gave me just 10 pills and I've had them for months.  
It sounds like you are doing all the right things.  I hope you find answers that make sense.  You mentioned that you had thyroid tests but that you haven't been back.  That might be a simple solution.  
Wishing you the best.
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I also know that too much iodine will ramp you up.  Can cause your heart rate to be too high, which for me is when I can start getting the arrhythmias.

Spring, in the defense of chicken.  I was eating it a LOT because I THOUGHT I was an A.  I didn't do the test and my Mom THOUGHT I was an A.  I had gone by her assumption for about a year.  There's a lesson for me.  Trust, but verify.  But I was eating a LOT of chicken and most of it was BAD chicken.  It was before I was more careful about the quality of meat I ate.  And from what I can tell, those poor chickens that are mass produced are probably not the best thing going for our health.  Yuck.  

I actually love the flavor though.  And I'll probably eat some now and then, when I'm feeling up to it.  But for now I've avoided it.  It is also an avoid on my swami.  Interesting that an A has it as such.  


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Spring, in the defense of chicken.  I was eating it a LOT because I THOUGHT I was an A.  I didn't do the test and my Mom THOUGHT I was an A.  I had gone by her assumption for about a year.  There's a lesson for me.  Trust, but verify.  But I was eating a LOT of chicken and most of it was BAD chicken.  


I was eating more than a LOT of chicken, JJR! I used to love it until I began to notice that I felt exhausted after I ate it. I mean exhausted like I needed to go to bed!! During the day!! It was consistent too. Never failed. My confidence in Dr. D. soared when I saw chicken was taken off my superfood list in SWAMI!!!

I broke down and ate some several weeks ago when one of our sons was here "for old time's sake" and suffered for an entire week!!! (Shudder)


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I haven't read everything here but in my experience it could be due to high homoecysteine levels...
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Hey everyone. After some of the responses here I think I may need to break something down for all of you and anyone that may read this in the future. If you don't have an open, slightly twisted sense of humor, and if your not used to a certain amount of sarcasm, you will probably misunderstand alot of what I mean when I'm posting here. I love communication with other, but typing something is about as impersonal as you can make it. If you could hear me saying what I'm typing, it would probably have a whole new meaning at that point. I do try to type this stuff, that same as I would say it but it does lose it's context a little.

The hobby thing was a joke, and I threw that in there so anybody who got to that sentence would know that I was grateful they made it that far. Thank you.

Also, I just want you to know that I am not a really stressed out person. At least I don't see myself that way, and most of my peeps wouldn't describe me that way. On the contrary, most people would describe me as very laid back. Most people I meet think I'm stoned, and I don't even smoke pot. My stress really only comes when my palpitations start. Other than that, I don't take life very seriously. I do however take any problems very seriously, and when there is a problem, all my focus goes into the solution to that problem.

Niagreen: I will research homoecysteine. Thanks.

Jane: I am supposed to have my results back in a week.

JJR: The naturopaths that I was going to ask me about lyme disease, but I had never been tested. I do believe that the vagus nerve has alot to do with my issues, and in general the autonomic nervous system. If test fail to show lyme disease, what is the surefire method of knowing? Thanks for your story

Joyce: I will check out that forum, thanks for the info.

Spring: Work probably is the second most stressful thing in my life, but I try to keep it fun, and put my health before my business. I have someone there looking after my back, and another that I can trust with all the desk work, and financials, that I don't want anything to do with. I also have no problem sending an arrogant, impatient customer somewhere else, unless they agree to pay our company's "A**hole tax".

Goldie: I am confused. First off, I would never blame my wife for any problems I have. Not the xanax, not the health issues, not stress. The only thing I blame my wife for is being to good to me, and being the reason for all the beautiful things in my life. Actually, for even being alive the past 12 years. The xanax joke was my weird sense of humor, talking about how crazy things got, and how far I take things when I try to find answers. Forgive me, but I am missing the point your trying to make in your responses in the boxes. Sorry, I read them over and over and I'm not sure if your saying that this is all in my head, or that I'm fooling myself in some way to believe............nevermind. I won't assume anything until it has been made clear.

As for my diet, I'm trying real hard to do the Swami diet I printed out. I have to say, I thought the blood type diet was hard, my Swami really sucks. Even more, of the few things that I can eat, that I can actually get (we're fresh out of Ostrich here in my town) I have to subtract alot more of those, because of their effect on other issues I have that Swami doesn't know about. I had an egg this morning. 1 egg, fried in ghee with sprinkles of parsley. I felt like I had wasted a plate. I didn't even use a fork because I didn't think it was worth it. Maybe my blood type and genotype along with the other questions that I understood enough to amswer gave me a very strange Swami diet, but until I figure out some kind of weird recipes I can come up with, it's gonna be a rough time for awhile. Most of the things aside from fruits and vegetables, are hard to come by, or just not possible to be in my diet. I will ONLY eat organic food, and am limited to what I can grow (and my farm in new and still in the works for alot of things) or what I can get at the one store around here that sells food I will eat. One reason I was excited about moving here is that everyone around here hunts and wild food is about as natural as you can get. Well come to find out, all th "hunter around here feed the wild animals junk GMO, bait food and at best most animals are eating the massive amounts of pesticides people put on their gardens. Their actually killing the animals before they shoot them. Quail is on my neutral list, and one night I was invited to eat some after a big hunt, and went to chow down, but while they were cooking them in oil that I wouldn't even use to start a fire with, they were telling me how they hunt them. They explained how they are raised in cages their whole life and fed some kind of junk feed, and on hunting day someone lets them out of their cages while other start shooting them as they fly away. Well quail has been manually removed from my list. I eat to live not for the pleasure, so I can swallow some things that aren't very tasty, but I do have my limits. I'm hoping that it will get better when I can devote the time to figure out what kinds of things I can come up with.

Thank everyone.
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Your welcome about the story.  It's a lot longer, but like you said, it's hard to get it all in.  I was hoping to tell you you're not alone and hopefully give you some encouragement.  

Yeah, that darn vagas nerve.  I used to go to this nutritionist that would hook me up to this machine that was a biofeedback thing.  And my vagas nerve always seemed to be wacked out.  And that was when my stomach problems were at their worst.  So, I think there was and is some kind of connection to my gut issues, and the heart issues with the vagas nerve.  I mean that thing is huge and goes right down where everything is so critical.  At least with what we're talking about.  

Anyways....  I'm assuming with the diet thing you are really limited because you're an A or something.  It's all a process.  I would highly recommend getting your secretor status figured out, as I'm pretty sure that would make an impact on your SWAMI.  Or diet in general.  If it's too limiting, maybe go for the BTD for now.  I don't know.  If it were me, I don't think I would jump right into swami until I've done a good amount of reading in Dr.D's books.  It all makes so much more sense when you've read the books and you can kind of get a feel as to the why's of why your list might come out the way it does.  But it is process.  I feel like my list really fits me well.  There are some things that I have to avoid that are supposedly good for me, like onions, but on the whole, the swami diet seems to trump everything.  And I've done quite a few diets.  First it was the A diet (I was mistaken about my blood type), then it was the normal AB diet.  Then it was the Teacher diet in the GTD book.  I had a short stint of Nomad in the book diet.  And then I went back to BTD for a while.  And then I got swami.  And even that has changed a few times.  But the more info you know about yourself, the better swami is going to work for you.  There are still things I could probably figure out that would help, but I've got a lot of it filled out well.

Anyways.....

I pray you find your answers.  They will come.  Just have to take it one step at a time.


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all my above answers in the boxes where to be funny or close to it.. driest humor is my typing.. I understood exactly what you meant by your wife.. and xanax..

so lets be friends..

yet,, I would suggest that a lot of these issues will affect your 'head'.. but in a way that can only make the fear factor worse, not by you being Imagining the issues.. The fact that you are healthy otherwise, is what I would have you build on..

I did my swami in two ways,   I showed the actual weight, and all my previous conditions. . it gave me on answer.. then one day I took OFF all the stuff no longer needed and dropped my weight 50 pounds to normal  .. and expected many changes. . to my chagrin I did not see any. . I mean not even an extra fruit. .

At first I was surprised, then I decided that IF that was the case, then eating according to swami MUST be the right thing, no matter my weight.. meaning- eating for the potential of diabetes is the same as eating to prevent it or lower it's effects. This was a mind bender, since I had not really given myself enough credit for having healed many things and now no longer need to remember all that misery.  Yes I left diabetes as one factor on the list but all other things are no more.. !  I don't think I fooled myself.. I think I made progress! (and if I ever needed to go back there, I could enter it all again).  

So you can see much of who we are - is in our head- real - but baggage never the less. Giving up 'fear' (of reoccurring palpitations ) is on interesting possibility. EVEN if they where to return (and they will, here and there) does it really matter?  I am not suggesting this to be easy..but you are way more than palpitations.. you have a life! ..  

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You have not stated what your pulse/ oxy numbers are .. when normal or when having on episode.. (or I did not see it) that info might give important clues IF you combine it with exactly what you ate before, or the day before.  I think the answers are in there..


as for being lay ed back.. you can be lay ed back and still stress your body systems at at the same time.  I would still say again get rid of all sups for a while, cut way back on drugs, CAREFULLY, and see how your body might react to such a change.  It might actually become normal or at least become more clear..

For the fact that some tests don't show some things as expected.. I have the following answer.. worth 2 cents.. but:  I have much mercury in me and yet my hair test does not show it.. as coming out by way of my hair.. so no problem ?!>>>> I have no idea>>>>, but the test is often only as good as it works by comparison to other things happening around it.

----NOT to go here, but Lyme is that kind of illness that hides all the reasonable answers and causes mayhem long before it is discovered.. (I heared that there may soon be better testing to be done-so there is hope there.. )  but you see not all is known to science yet.

just in case I am not clear about what I suggest, but in essence it is: TRUST your body- it has not failed you so far--  TRUST changes in letting go of some pills and sups for a short while..  and trust that the BRAIN knows what it needs to do.. including coming here and communicating about it.. you will get the answers..  

Keep your humor and use a smiley if you need to get a point across.. I just did..  




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Dirty, maybe I missed it, but I have not seen anything about meditation.  This can be a powerful form of relaxation to help with your heart arrhythmia.  I have watched my husband bring down his heart rate by meditating.  If I am there when he is having an episode, I calmly tell him to say his mantra.  He goes into a meditative state.  While his heart is racing I can see his neck throbbing.  Once he begins to meditate, I can watch as his neck throbbing slows and eventually subsides all together.  You really should pursue this.

Meditation is medically proven to reduce heart rate.

http://www.naturalnews.com/032897_meditation_heart_attacks.html

Check out what they are doing at Harvard University/Mass General with meditation, pioneered by Dr. Herbert Benson:

http://www.massgeneral.org/bhi/basics/

http://www.massgeneral.org/bhi/about/benson.aspx

Finally, a word about cardiologists.  It is impossible for any cardiologist to diagnose something without test findings.  Like I said in my first post, the expert that my husband saw for his ablation stated that he didn't even think my husband had WPW.  The test for WPW is a simple EKG, but if the heart is not in an arrhythmia pattern at the time of the EKG, there is nothing to diagnose.  Wearing a monitor does not guarantee that your heart will go into arrhythmia.  It was not until the electrophysiologist was performing the procedure on my husband, which involves inserting electrodes into his heart through the groin and he took control of my husband' heart beat that he realized that both the upper and lower chambers of the heart were involved.  This never showed up on any EKG.  Another issue that we have had is that oftentimes by the time we get to the emergency room and they get him hooked up to the EKG machine, his heart beat is normal.  Catching the arrhythmia in action is a critical component to diagnosis, but it is the single most difficult aspect because of the timing involved.  

There is a monitor you can get that you do not have to wear.  You just use it when you are having arrhythmia.



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If I'm not mistaken, they have already caught his arrhythmia.  He already wore a monitor.  They know he has one.  That's what I get out of the thread.  

Yes, meditation can help these things.  But an arrhythmia is not just a rapid heart beat or palpitations.  It is rhythm that is not proper.  That's what I get.  And I know exactly what he's saying.  You don't feel any anxiety until right when it happens.  Then it causes anxiety to kick in.  Which is when learning how to overcome that is good.  But I think it's also a physical thing happening.  At least that's what I think.  I think it's both.  Mental, physical, etc.  But for me, I'm pretty sure anxiety is not what is causing the arrhythmia.  I think it's some kind of physical problem that has attacked the normal function and beat of my heart.  Now, stress and all that doesn't help.  I agree with that.  But I think it's a lot deeper than that.  Because I lived with TONS of stress and caffeine and sugar and bad food, for long time without it happening.  So, whether it's the body breaking down from lack of nutrients or old age, or something genetic, etc etc.  It's all of it.  The deal is that as humans, none of us are perfect and eventually we might show some signs of weakness physically, due to LIFE.  Not everyone's show up as arrhythmia's.  Some can show up as diabetes.  Some can show up as joint aches and pain.  On and on.  There's nothing wrong with figuring out the mental stuff.  But I know for me, the physical problems are just as much a part of it.  And believe me, I'm not discounting mental.  I've worked on that a lot too.  But what gets me is when people start acting like it's ALL about the mental.  I totally disagree.  Our bodies are imperfect in an imperfect world and I totally disagree with the beliefs that we can MAKE happen whatever we want to.  Yes, our mind has a lot of power.  But we don't choose to get bit by ticks that carry bad "spirochetes" that might upset your balance for a while.  My sister didn't choose for her last child to have a birth defect that allowed it to only live for one day.  On and on.  There are some things we can't control.  But yes, we can build on what we do know and the positive.


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Well, Dirty, it seems that you have most of the answers, or soon will, so maybe your patience is a virtue that is being tried to the limit here. I don't know what you may have done to your body in the past that could have contributed to your present state or what you  may have been born with that has caused such, heaven forbid, stress in your life, but I hope you will eventually reap many more benefits simply from what you are already doing. Meditate, read a book that doesn't lift the roof off your house, and tell yourself over and over if you get into another episode to just let go, let go, let go, let go. It may not work for you, but it has for me.

I had spastic colon problems when I was pregnant with my youngest son, and I would be in so much pain that I could hardly breathe or even read one word after another, but that was the only thing that would help. But once I could force myself to read one - word - at - a - time my body would respond and the spasms would stop. I didn't know about the let-it-go mantra at that time.

BTW, my BP monitor notes when I am having arrhythmia.


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The MENTAL part has to be understood NOT as the CAUSE but the results of it...  I must say this to all .. THE mental comes from the experience of LOSING control.. as in AA they have first STEP as::  We are powerless (over whatever) and it makes our life unmanageable..  

The fear I am talking about throughout is FROM the heart.. Heart issues cause Fear.. and with that comes anxiety.. and that is where propranalol might come in - by allowing the muscle anxiety to get some relieve might help..

Mental is no fun and meditation is the REASONABLE response, but when you are in fear/anxiety, it is near IMPOSSIBLE to behave reasonable.. so learning how to is a good thing any time..

Forgiveness to one self for having to start the thought PATTERN that will allow to even consider meditations is as importance as is 'breathing' and 'picturing' your self on a beach..  

BY the way keep the propranalol ( the other name) on hand.. do not just throw out your drugs.. taking less might work for a while to see how you would do without as much of anything, go careful, but maybe give it all a try..
check your PMs/    
  


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If I'm not mistaken, they have already caught his arrhythmia.  He already wore a monitor.  They know he has one.  That's what I get out of the thread.  

Yes, meditation can help these things.  But an arrhythmia is not just a rapid heart beat or palpitations.  It is rhythm that is not proper.  That's what I get.  And I know exactly what he's saying.  You don't feel any anxiety until right when it happens.  Then it causes anxiety to kick in.  Which is when learning how to overcome that is good.  But I think it's also a physical thing happening.  At least that's what I think.  I think it's both.  Mental, physical, etc.  But for me, I'm pretty sure anxiety is not what is causing the arrhythmia.  I think it's some kind of physical problem that has attacked the normal function and beat of my heart.  Now, stress and all that doesn't help.  I agree with that.  But I think it's a lot deeper than that.  Because I lived with TONS of stress and caffeine and sugar and bad food, for long time without it happening.  So, whether it's the body breaking down from lack of nutrients or old age, or something genetic, etc etc.  It's all of it.  The deal is that as humans, none of us are perfect and eventually we might show some signs of weakness physically, due to LIFE.  Not everyone's show up as arrhythmia's.  Some can show up as diabetes.  Some can show up as joint aches and pain.  On and on.  There's nothing wrong with figuring out the mental stuff.  But I know for me, the physical problems are just as much a part of it.  And believe me, I'm not discounting mental.  I've worked on that a lot too.  But what gets me is when people start acting like it's ALL about the mental.  I totally disagree.  Our bodies are imperfect in an imperfect world and I totally disagree with the beliefs that we can MAKE happen whatever we want to.  Yes, our mind has a lot of power.  But we don't choose to get bit by ticks that carry bad "spirochetes" that might upset your balance for a while.  My sister didn't choose for her last child to have a birth defect that allowed it to only live for one day.  On and on.  There are some things we can't control.  But yes, we can build on what we do know and the positive.


JJR, did you see my earlier post?  I am VERY familiar with heart arrhythmia problems.  My husband of 27 years was diagnosed with Wolff Parkinson White Syndrome, which is an electrical wiring problem, when he was in the eighth grade.  He has too many electro-conductive paths in his heart, so yes, it is a physical problem.  He already had one ablation and it about to have a second.

What I am saying is that there is a lot of research about meditation being highly beneficial for bringing down one's heart rate.  My husband has used TM successfully for many years to bring down his heart rate during an episode.  In fact, his meditation has been so successful at managing his physical heart problem that we had no idea until he went in for his ablation that he has the type of WPW that can cause instant death because both the upper and lower chambers of the heart are involved and there was no circuit breaker so his heart has been clocked at 280 beats per minute.  320 and you are dead.

I also talked about eating a proper diet, staying away from caffeine, limiting stress and getting plenty of sleep.  I am not implying that Dirty has a mental issue at all, nor do I think anyone else meant to imply that.  There is a serious amount of study about reducing heart rate with meditation of any kind.  Harvard University/Mass General Hospital doctor Herbert Benson has spent his entire medical career studying this.  It is just another tool to use to help.  Unless and until Dirty figures out how he can solve his heart arrhythmia, he should (and so should you) consider trying meditation along with the other things I recommended in my earlier post and in this post.  It certainly cannot hurt.  

In fact, our daughter has had many episodes of rapid heart rate so we thought she had inherited the WPW from her dad.  We have since learned that these episodes are usually brought on when she does not eat, so now she needs to be more mindful to remember to eat something, no matter how busy she is, even if it is something small until she has time to eat a regular meal.


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Maybe my blood type and genotype along

I assume that you let SWAMI choose your Geno Type?!


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Hi Dirty,

I have heart trouble due to Lyme disease, like JJR. Some of my trouble is from the vagus nerve and some is from bugs living in the heart tissue. I have at least three different infections (Lyme, Bartonella, and Babesia). So many of us "Lymies" have heart problems. I wouldn't waste any money on a Lyme test as it's not very realiable and the good ones are very expensive. A Lyme specialist can give you a clinical diagnosis, but I read that you really don't have the money to spend.

There are some good books to read that recommend herbs that can help heal you. One is written by Stephen Buhner "Healing Lyme". You can look up his website and read more, if you're interested. By the way, my anxiety only increases after my heart starts freaking out too. I've written a little about my experience on this site, on my blog. My name is Connie.

It could also by that your problem is due to toxic metals and chemicals. Another good book to read so you can help yourself is "Detox or Die". I've found this book to be really helpful. I have plenty of metals and chemicals that I need to remove from my system, as well as all the bugs and viruses.

I was diagnosed about 2 years ago and have greatly improved, but I've still got a ways to go. Let me know if you'd like more information. I'm happy to point you in the right direction or answer what I can.


"Anxiety is the gap between now and then"

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Spring: I did the genotyping kit with the blood type kit. I have known I was A- for a couple years now, but did it again anyway, because that's how much I trust doctors.

Goldie: My pulse rate upon waking is usually around 47 - 55 bpm. On average resting levels are between 60 - 70 bpm. During an episode, it varies so much I can't really give you a good number range. Sometimes my pulse is so erratic, my pulse/oxymeter can't really register. Neither can my blood pressure machine, and you really can't take a pulse rate manually. My oxygen levels vary from 99 - 96. That's not usually considered low, but if it gets below 98 I start having problems.

Spring & Patty H: I have not been able to achieve a meditative state in a very long time. I know the benefits of meditation. I just have not been in a place to accomplish meditation to reap it's benefits. This is something I have to work on, and is on my huge list of things to find time to do. I have no excuse, I just have to do it.

JJR & nowishow: I am not completely convinced that it's the Vagus nerve, but I do believe that physically, that is the problem. If you know what the Vagus nerve is and what is does, it makes sense to me. The main thing is that 3 main organs/systems are controlled by the Vagus nerve. The Heart, Lungs, and parts of the GI system. If anything is out of wack with either my breathing (lungs) or my GI, then my heart takes the consequences. I have a problem with shallow breathing. I believe this came from the type of work that I do. I work around toxic fumes and smoke, and dust etc. I think I have trained my body in to breathing very short shallow breaths thinking I am not getting as much toxic material into my lungs. Sense I have come to this conclusion, I try to be aware of my breathing, and take slow deep breaths from my gut, and exhale completely. Blah, blah, blah. I try to breath properly. This seems to help. Like I told Goldie, if my oxygen level falls even a little, my heart with start skipping. I have noticed proper breathing sometimes has helped me get back to normal. Anyway, years of taking notice has led me to believe that my breathing has something to do with it. On the other hand, over the years I have also noticed that, my GI system plays a huge part in the matter as well. Eating certain foods, being constipated, gas, upset stomach, digestion process, feeling bloated has all be a part of my heart skipping. At this point, if I have a palpitation, 9 times out 10, I will be sitting on the toilet within 10 minutes. If I get a poop pain hitting me, and I can't get to my throne shortly after I will more than likely have a palpitation. I have even noticed that my heart seems to be more busy when I have lots of neck and jaw tension. This also seems to make sense to me sense the Vagus nerve runs down your body from the back area of your brain, and the nerve (I can't remember the name. It's the one at the top of your jaw just in front of the ear. The one that has something to do with TMJ) is supposedly "married" to the Vagus nerve. I have heard alot of horror stories about people trying to deal with cardiologist and electrophysiologist and trying to get the 2 to communicate. I also haven't heard any success stories yet. We'll see what becomes of it.

I started the BTD over a year or so ago. It was an off and on thing. I always felt like it just wasn't complete yet. I have a few of D'Adamo's books, and after I found out about Swami, I thought that would complete it. I'm not saying it's not, and I'm not saying it's wrong either. Because I do believe that his research is good, it pisses me off being a type A and having the other issues that I have at the same time. My list off foods without my other problems is diminishing enough, but with my other issues, I have maybe a third of that gone now too. And, alot of my avoids, are things that are recommended for helping with my other issues.

For example, I am trying to fix my adrenals. I am using internet research, and James Wilson's book, to help me out. Most of the nutritional based recommendations for adrenal fatigue, are back asswards from the Swami. This really sucks, but I have to go with Swami on that, because if I can't handle the foods in good health, they probably won't do any good healing me from a disease. And again, alot of things that every research says to stay away from with some of my other problems, are recommended be Swami. After comparing Swami to my other recommendations to eat or stay away from, I can make an entire 2 weeks grocery list on a post-it note using a big expletive deleted magic marker. I can pretty much eat an apple, a walnut, and an ostrich. We've been creating a farm for the past year, and I can't eat anything on it. We will be the only farmers who's animals die of old age. I will have apple in a couple years, and walnuts in about 10 or so. I don't even know if I can own an ostrich. If I did, I do think I would try to take him down though. I bet one of those things could kick my a** and then run away. Those things are like emu's on steroids, and I've already been punked out by one of those.

Anyway, thanks for the responses and the support. Keep it fun and free!
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Goldie: My pulse rate upon waking is usually around 47 - 55 bpm. On average resting levels are between 60 - 70 bpm. During an episode, it varies so much I can't really give you a good number range. Sometimes my pulse is so erratic, my pulse/oxymeter can't really register. Neither can my blood pressure machine, and you really can't take a pulse rate manually. My oxygen levels vary from 99 - 96. That's not usually considered low, but if it gets below 98 I start having problems.


Any idea how high your pulse ever might have gone?   --- it's not the 'oxygen', but the 'learned' fear of breathing.. and then the conversion to oxygen into the blood.. (my oxy level is 90 to 93 normal, ergo my pulse is 60 to 90. See how marvelous the body works in-sync with it self. )  

47 resting seems low.. but ok for some athletes... Are you eating OFTEN enough (every 3 hours) including a mouth full before bed? and are you using any salt? I hope for yes.. as well as fruit for sugar, carbs for stamina and digestion..  

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Spring & Patty H: I have not been able to achieve a meditative state in a very long time. I know the benefits of meditation. I just have not been in a place to accomplish meditation to reap it's benefits. This is something I have to work on, and is on my huge list of things to find time to do. I have no excuse, I just have to do it.


This comes down to a simple interpretation.. IT IS NOT the time and place you PERCEIVE your selves to be in.. but rather PERCEIVE your selves as being for a few seconds / momentarily in a different place...

The BODY never forgets a bad thing, be it avoids or negative influences./The MIND DOES NOT know truth from fiction, it only KNOWS what you tell it... and the BRAIN acts on what you tell it.  

So close your eyes for 10 seconds and just say to your brain, a)
Brain please listen and help my body to reap the benefits of a visit to the beach: thank you b)..
SEE your self in a favorite place, breath normally, think slowly, and 'allow' the mind the memorie..C)
STAY THERE as long as is possible.. (10 seconds by a bus stop, a minute in the bus, on hour when you need it.. d) at the end
THANK your brain for 'listening' and sending proper signals throughout the body systems..    

That is all that is NEEDED.. until one wishes to devote more time to learning other ways..

IT IS important to get the PERCEIVED point .. it is not reality..

Let me show you: You drive down with a brand new car and all is well...
a child steps out of the bush and throws a rock at the car and dent's it.
You go back and tell that child of.. his parents should punish him.
as you stop your car the boy says..
Sorry sir. my brother fell off the roof, he is hurt, can you help?  

You see it is all in the perception..

another example, lawyers make things worse because they keep reminding you of unpleasant (powerless) situations.. no matter on which side you are on.. peace will only come back when your power is restored or at least all is settled.

SEE: the PERCEPTION is what the body picks up on.  Stress is what you make it. Life is how you PERCEIVE it.. Meditation is just telling your mind to PICK up on the Perception you give it and the brain sends out proper signals to the body IN RESPONSE to it all the time.. second by second.. so a 10 second respite is better than no respite..

That is why I said in my first post I think.. Say to your self you will be OK! early upon getting up, and during the day and again before sleep.. You have shown to have some issue, but your heart is OK and your lungs are too, so: TRUST that you are ok..  

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We will be the only farmers who's animals die of old age. I will have apple in a couple years, and walnuts in about 10 or so. I don't even know if I can own an ostrich. If I did, I do think I would try to take him down though. I bet one of those things could kick my a** and then run away. Those things are like emu's on steroids, and I've already been punked out by one of those.


SEE your self basting, cooking, eating and digesting all the foods from your farm NOW! as if they where already all there in front of you.. LAUGHING becomes part of this EXPERIMENT..

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Eating certain foods, being constipated, gas, upset stomach, digestion process, feeling bloated has all be a part of my heart skipping. At this point, if I have a palpitation, 9 times out 10, I will be sitting on the toilet within 10 minutes.
  

YES no doubt you have these ISSUES, Yet I would bet the FARM, that you are much better off listening to Dr D. and Swami.. and here is why....

The adrenals nor the sups nor all the other stuff you are doing, spending time on, trying to figure out.... YOUR body knows what to do with it!!!!!! you go to sleep your mind/body still functions.. REMEMBER the wort TRUST>>> ahhhhh there it is again.

IF YOU wish to get energy without hurting this organ over that organ or this hormone over that hormone, then I would advise for NOW: (time and current space) Try the Trehalose Complex by Dr D. take 1 teaspoon in the morning and another mid day with grapefruit, lemon, lime juice and water.. You will feel 'different' soon enough.. I think it will make a big difference in your lungs and all over..

Close your eyes : SEE it eating the gunk in your lungs , see it transporting the waste all the way .. (a little gas might be good to get it going.. )  

Make green juice from dandelion leaves.. later grow them 2 feet high then you have enough to get you 'high' with one small glass..(add carrots if you must or apples)  .. the high comes from the green chlorophyll.. nothing like it/IF it is on YOUR Swami! ..  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Nowishow made a great point about being metal toxic.  I was also and after I got all the amalgams removed out of my mouth and did some glutathione therapy for a while, I think I got my arrhythmias less.  And if you have a job that can make you toxic, I would recommend taking a hard look at how to remedy being metal toxic.  Maybe get some tests done.  Being metal toxic can mess up anything and everything, especially in the realm of nerves.  But it can go much deeper than that I'm sure.  

I hear you on the diet lists.  I guess only you can figure out what foods will help.  I think this diet has helped tremendously.  But my Son is an A with TONS of allergys.  To nuts and fish real bad and we feed him lots of food that would not be considered "good" for an A.  But even so, his health has improved over the years greatly.  If we had to rely on an A list for him also, he'd have nothing to eat but chicken and turkey and veggies and rice and beans.  And a few fruits.  But not many because he had tons of food allergies to many foods that are supposed to be good for him on the BTD.  So, he eats red meats and potatoes.  Not every day, but he needs protein and fats, as he is a growing boy.  He's already small for his age because of his problems, and I don't think it's wise to limit proteins.  I could care less if he ate pork too.  Although we really don't.  I haven't bought it.  

Anyways...  my point is sometimes you have to go with your instincts and veer from the lists.  I think this diet is great, but it's not always going to be the end all and be all.  I have found my lists on my swami to be really really good, but that's my experience.  And it wasn't always like that.  But for you, I think getting secretor status done might help a lot with that.  A nonnie would have a lot more meat options than an A secretor.  Or an explorer type would.  And if you're metal toxic, you might have some of that in you.  I'm not a non secretor, but I have many explorer like issues.  I know that from other testing, not just reading BTD/GTD books.  But the GTD book helped me understand what some of the tests I got done mean.  This diet and D'Adamo's work has been a huge blessing for me.  Which is why I keep up here.  I think it's the best thing going for a diet plan that suits each individual.  But it's not going to be perfect.

Goldie and PattyH": I don't disagree with the "mental" stuff you are talking about.  I just wanted to get my 2 cents in about it not always being about the mental.  But it IS important.  

And Dirty, you say you're laid back, and this might be hard to hear, but just listening to your lifestyle doesn't scream "laid back" to me.  If you have your own farm, were building your own house don't trust doctors, trying to heal thyself......  It sounds more like..... well, someone who is very in tune with how he wants things done.  Laid back people just let things happen a lot of times.  You don't sound like that at all.  Which can cause stress.  I know, I am one of those types of people.     Just a thought.  I'm learning how to try to unwind myself.  And it has not been an easy process.  And I have maybe a few "areas" that I'm laid back about.  But, overall, I'm a poster child for stress and tension.  I'm not saying you are me, but I'm just saying from the little bit you've shared, I would not get "laid back" as my first feel.  I've known people who are and they always kind of blow my mind.  But I see most of us in life are not.  In fact, I find a truly laid back person is a very rare breed indeed.


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And Dirty, you say you're laid back, and this might be hard to hear, but just listening to your lifestyle doesn't scream "laid back" to me.  If you have your own farm, were building your own house don't trust doctors, trying to heal thyself......  It sounds more like..... well, someone who is very in tune with how he wants things done.  Laid back people just let things happen a lot of times.  You don't sound like that at all.  Which can cause stress.  I know, I am one of those types of people.     Just a thought.  I'm learning how to try to unwind myself.  And it has not been an easy process.  And I have maybe a few "areas" that I'm laid back about.  But, overall, I'm a poster child for stress and tension.  I'm not saying you are me, but I'm just saying from the little bit you've shared, I would not get "laid back" as my first feel.  I've known people who are and they always kind of blow my mind.  But I see most of us in life are not.  In fact, I find a truly laid back person is a very rare breed indeed.


(Sigh) JJR, I won't add much to what you've said, but I sit here and just literally shake reading Dirty's posts because his posts are indeed "screaming" with the opposite of "laid back!" In fact, I wonder if he doesn't really use up a lot of energy trying to be "laid back!"

Dirty, I hope you will consider all this very, very seriously! Please!!


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Spring: Don't hold back, if there is something you think I need to hear, I want to know. I don't know you, but from post that I've read makes me respect your opinion very much.

I think ya'll may be right. I have thought about it myself, but I still can't see myself that way. I told my wife about some of the responses on here and she agrees about the stress thing. She has put it into a little more detail, which I will share with you as soon as I can, but I have to get some things done before the night is gone. Thanks everyone.
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Dirty, I don't know which highway you were taking north out of Atlanta all those weekends, whether it was I-85, I-75 or some other rat race but doing that over and over again, weekend after weekend had to be doing a number on you. But I-75, especially, is like taking your life in your own hands on late Friday afternoon.

My son and his wife have driven in Atlanta since they could drive - long before they married - and they get into a major panic if they fool around and don't get around Atlanta before 4:00 PM Friday, especially, when the wild Indians get turned loose onto I-75. You know exactly what I'm talking about! I would guess that you were so excited about getting out of Hotlanta and getting to work on your dream house, that at the time you hardly even noticed the stress. But stress it was! Man, you have to remember that you are an A-Type!!!!!

(You seem to have a very wide-eyed innocence about what stress really is.)

Besides this, you know very well that you were cramming everything that interested you into your life by the trainload for years. And, if that isn't enough, you have done more research, bought more equipment, tried to fix your health in more ways, seen more doctors than two or three other average people have done in their entire lives! You have been living your life as if there were a herd of wild animals right at your heels! And, truth be known, if you hadn't done many of the things you have done, you might not be writing on this forum today!

So somehow or other between us and your wife, we are going to have to find some brakes somewhere unless you have already gotten this figured out and grown some by tomorrow night. Which wouldn't surprise me at all......

Whew! I think I have to take a break. It wears me out just thinking about all this stress......... Oh, BTW, I have two sons, both just a tad older than you.


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I see your point. I will have to admit that even though I drove in Atlanta almost every day for over a decade, and never had a problem, after 4 months of living up here in the woods, I had to go through Atlanta and almost couldn't do it. I don't have the mindset for that kind of life anymore. This is kind of why I consider myself laid back I guess. I was always one of the slowest on the road, I wasn't ever really in a hurry, and didn't want to kill anyone for driving in my lane. I didn't rush in and out of stores, would hold the door for others, and maybe talk to someone that I didn't even know. I suppose if I compare myself with the rat race crazies I normally see in the city, I am laid back, but maybe that doesn't say much.

Now from my wife's perspective, she says I am stressed (sometimes). She says I am laid back, but if I'm not, I am completely stressed. No middle ground. She pointed out that when I get an order that may take 3 days to build, but the deadline is 3 weeks away, that I stress over it the whole time until it's done, even though there is plenty of time to do it, and even though I may have done it many times before. She has also pointed out that I stress when dealing with customers. That I feel that I have to prove myself, in order to get business because I don't keep the most professional appearance. I'm not sure what a "professional fabricator" looks like, but people do judge and I have to make a living. I believe she is right, but I still have trouble seeing my life as stressful. Maybe I do have a bad definition of stress. Until I make enough money to sit back and watch the grass grow, I don't see how I can make life easier. I am willing to admit that I may be a stressed person, now that I have seen things from so many other perspectives, but don't know how to add something else to my fix list. See......Stress.

I am curious however, what is it about my post that give ya'll the impression that I am stressed? Is it info about my life? How I word things? Do I seem to be complaining?

We have done alot to reduce stress in our lives. Take our time, not to seriously, we cancelled our television service a few years back. Our bills are about 1/3 of what they used to be. We live in our garden of eden (almost). I don't have to open up the shop every morning anymore. We are surrounded by family and friends now, even though we are way out of step with most people here, we live in a great little community. Other than relearning meditation, I don't know what more I can do.
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That I feel that I have to prove myself, in order to get business because I don't keep the most professional appearance.... Here is your first post all over again.. and from there that I took my clues..  

That I feel that I have to prove myself, in order to get business because I don't keep the most professional appearance... is a CONSTANT living in fear translated : STRESS.  

This kind of stress is very hard to recognize, it is the kind that is there long before we see the subject of our opposition.  It's there so far ahead of us- in terms similar to having on aura- that a dog will charge around the corner with biting on his mind, even though no harm was intended to the dog, the dog was not even on your mind.. but ENERGY precedes us..

Energy is within and energy is not felt consciously, but energy proceeds all that we experience.

Fear is felt by the HEART.. the heart when it feels threatened CREATES fear. A viscous cycle-
and with it- the blood thickens and needs more oxygen.  I work with 'energy' shifts and it is ever more clear to me that working on the mind is as important as is all other effort.  

For you, I would just sit and repeat a self assuring sentence like:  I am OK, I AM ok, 'I' am ok.  do that all day, write it on the wall, see it, read it, let it sink in.  Then eat right and I bet in a short time you will feel better.. As for energy shifting, I can prove it to work, especially during on acute moment of anxiety/palpitations.          



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I am curious however, what is it about my post that give ya'll the impression that I am stressed? Is it info about my life? How I word things? Do I seem to be complaining?

We have done alot to reduce stress in our lives. Take our time, not to seriously, we cancelled our television service a few years back. Our bills are about 1/3 of what they used to be. We live in our garden of eden (almost). I don't have to open up the shop every morning anymore. We are surrounded by family and friends now, even though we are way out of step with most people here, we live in a great little community. Other than relearning meditation, I don't know what more I can do.


Okay. So the way you have dealt with the stress is undoubtedly working, big time. It is a huge effort that is really paying off. Now, I'm trying to figure out what still needs "fixing." I wonder if your mind is still in panic mode even though you are trying to tell it to just "shut up!" Even the self-imposed "deadlines" would make that seem real. (And I don't have to go into the rest here, you know more about that than I do!) And, for goodness sake, sack up in some good clothes and stop having the stress of making a good impression. Why look like the garbage man and have to turn around and go to the trouble of having to disillusion people that you ARE NOT the garbage man!

Another thing, I don't see a whole lot more than what I mentioned above that you need to do right now except to try to build up a mental block to all that has created any stress in the past and start enjoying all the good things you mentioned in your post to the fullest. Allow yourself to do that! You are probably going to have to make some adjustments in your supplements too, because your body is going to be able to take care of itself - better and better. You will find plenty of help on this forum with that. Just ask!


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Wow, I feel like I just read about my own life from someone elses mouth.  

I used to work downtown, well "River West" area.  Which here is like the "alternative college area".  With lots of different walks of life.  It's one of those areas that some people might explain as a "carnival".  Just, well, interesting. And it was like 3-4 blocks from a "bad" section of town.  Now, I'm not trying to be judgemental about people, but the fact of the matter is, it was in an area where lots of crime took place.  More so than what I was comfortable with.  I worked as a Office Manager for an Electrical Contractor.

Now, I grew up in the boonies.  I always lived in the suburbs, and I absolutely HATED going down there.  But I needed the job at the time.  But I know that this caused a lot of stress.  But it wasn't until I quit my job and stopped going down there that I realized how bad it really was.  I think for over a month straight I would wake up and thank the Lord over and over again for not having to drive down there.  

Yeah, the drive was stressful.  And almost every day the job was stressful.  There was one time a guy tried stealing wire out of our tool shed and we chased him down the road.  One of the owners daughter got robbed at gunpoint at a gas station nearby.  I always carried a pistol in my backpack.  One time one of our electricians screwed up and this guy came threatening to hurt us.  And I got to be the one he told it all to, because I was at the front desk. And the list goes on and on and on.  In 4 or 5 years I saw, did, experience, endured more things than I had wanted to in a lifetime.  And above all that, it was a family run business.  And one of the daughters hated me and tried to make my life miserable because they replaced her with me, because she was so difficult to get along with.  So they basically used me as a buffer.  They still kept her active, working out of her home doing collections, but I had to deal with her on a regular basis.  It was.... like I said, interesting.

Where I think you and I are similar is that I know for me, I don't like confrontation.  But I'm the type of person that knows what I believe and will do my best to live that way.  And sometimes it's like swimming upstream.  Clawing and pawing your way.  Life can be a pain in the butt.  All that time with the stressful job my son had terrible health problems that were very accute and that was probably as much or more stressful than the job.  That had been going on for a few years before that job.  And the job I had before the one I'm telling you about wasn't a whole lot better.  I had a lot of responsibility and time frames to meet.  Installing cabinetry.  I liked the work, but it was stressful too.  Very.  

I'm probably venting here, but my point is, sometimes life can just be stressful.  And you're right, sometimes there's not much we can do about it.  It sounds like you have changed a lot of things in your life to help.  But our response is what the gals are talking about.  So many times in life, I felt like I was fighting a war.  Every day.  Like Combat.  And I think in a way it was like that.  And I had to and am learning to do what they say and say to myself, everything is OK.  I am OK.  And not try to do so much and fight so much on my own.  For me, God fights my battles, and I didn't even know it.  He makes it all work out, and I just need to let go and let him work.  Whatever your beliefs are, if we're constantly feeling like we have to fight for everything we do, it wears on us.  And sometimes we're just put in that situation and have to endure.  But sometimes we have to learn to just put it all away.  Or cope somehow.  At least mentally.  

I'll tell you this, I've met a lot of people that have had to endure terrible things, and most of the time, there health took a hit eventually.  You can't be on the cutting edge for long periods of time without breaking down.  We might not be in the infantry.  Or flying 25 bombing missions over Germany, but sometimes just going to work and feeding our families can be pretty stressful.  Maybe not THAT stressful, but it's all a state of mind.  And challenges and problems abound.  And if we're constantly fighting a war, we'll crack eventually.  That's what the girls are saying.  No matter what life throws at us, it is probably wise to learn how to accept things in a way that doesn't cause as much stress.  As impossible as it sounds, it is probably a necessary thing to learn to live healthy.


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if we're constantly feeling like we have to fight for everything we do, it wears on us.


YES:  to the word it 'wears' on us.. is STRESS in another word, another way.. Right on.. JJR.. so right about the toll life can take.. good post.

As for the reference to us 'girls' ... I liked it..


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I didn't read everything, so I don't know if someone said this.

If you have heavy metals in your hair sample, you have been exposed them. Perhaps your work or your environment. Perhaps you are an artist or do ceramics.

I would think the metals would be the reason for arrhythmia.

I would be wrong because I only heard about this finding in a 1-inch square nape of neck hair sample for an artist.

I had arrhythmia.

It was very likely an outcome of heart failure and stage II kidney failure from anaphylactic shock due to medical dye allergy. The echocardiogram showed fibrillation of the aortic valve and mitral valve prolapse. I do not know the data.

It was some time after anaphylaxis.

I assessed that my heart needed help to recover health.

I decided to combine the Highly Beneficial food items, a kriya yoga (positional) lying prone right hand in a fist base of thumb up under the heart (meditation) visualizing lying on a hot tarmac in the Sun, and then, visualization of the healthy energy pattern of the heart I had seen in a diagram in a book by Michio and Aveline Kushi.

I had been getting weaker. I started getting my strength back.

About the same time, my prescription was changed from Nitroglycerin to NitroSpray at the insistence of the Rescue Car EMT's. I had been hospitalized to save my life more than two or three times.

It was my experience the Nitroglycerine had weakened me further. The NitroSpray did not interfere in the gradual return of strength and health.

At any rate, that is my experience.

It was my understanding arrhythmia is an electrical problem. I believe that exercize and meditation and visualization of a healthy energy pattern helped.

The fact is, I had never done guided meditation until the cardiology service nurse had a one-day outpatient workshop for the heart patients. In fact, I didn't know meditation was so important for me.

I had done meditation before, but never for a goal.

At any rate, that is my experience.
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I should also say, I had adrenal stress.

It leads to depression and/or anxiety. I was advised to do something different to break up a routine, any routine, even if I liked the routine. That would break up depression. (This is not clinical depression, but rather depression attendant heart problems.) For anxiety, I am embarrassed to admit I used about 5 mg Kava in a popular SOBO drink no longer sold, drinking only half of the bottle. I only did that if I had to go into town. I live in a rural environment. I felt anxiety anytime I had errands in town.

For adrenal stress, now, I take a supplement for adrenal stress.

I don't recommend doing that right away.

I think the arrhythmia has to be overcome first.

I went to a lecture series of the American Heart Association to find a cardiologist I felt was knowledgeable and would speak to me on equal terms.

I did that, because I do not expect a MD to fix me: they are not mechanics.

At any rate, I felt I needed to participate in my recovery.

At any rate, this is my experience.
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The fact is, usually DGL alleviates any stomach distress I have.

I can think a hurtful stomach is anxiety. They are not the same thing. The anxiety is a heart related symptom.

DGL does a lot of good for me. Now, I have a tablet before I consider adrenal stress.

If I feel better, it is an aggravated stomach.

Now, what was that I ingested? Was it caffeine? Was it something off the Avoid list?
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...find a cardiologist I felt was knowledgeable and would speak to me on equal terms.

I did that, because I do not expect a MD to fix me: they are not mechanics.

At any rate, I felt I needed to participate in my recovery.





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I wish I had known about DGL about a hundred years ago!!


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My cardiologist told me, and I don't doubt it for a minute, that it is impossible almost to tell the difference between heart pain (angina, whatever) and acid reflux.  Anxiety can make acid reflux much, much worse. The whole business is a vicious cycle. I went down that road for many years.

Anybody wonder why I am so thankful and excited that it is possible for Trehalose Complex to protect nerves from the destructive forces of aging and environmental toxicity, stimulate the activity of your own neural stem cells, energize your existing nerves to maximize their functional capacity and improve the activity of the brain and nervous system? WOW!!

  


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One MD I had at University of Washington Hospital, Seattle Dr. Fred Plum went on to teach diagnostics at Cornell.

He may be responsible for the decision-tree diagrams how to rule out a condition and sort out symptoms to find the one or two or more conditions that are in effect.

If he is, that is much more effective than a shotgun-approach most MD's use that will further ruin the patient's health.

For acid reflux, this could be diagnostic: Half a generic Gaviscon Foam Tab helps.

Gaviscon Foam Tab does nothing for a heart patient.

That said, I wouldn't take more than one half tablet. The tablet foams up inside the stomach, reaching all the surfaces, but it is putting some pressure in all that area.

During angina, I don't want more pressure.

If it feels only like heartburn, rather than radiating pain, chew up half a tablet. Wait a little. Do you feel improved? Then, it would be stomach acid.

For acid reflux, this is certainly better than taking Tums, for example, that have a rebound effect, and so, take more Tums.

I had hiatal hernia, by injury, so I experienced upper stomach and esophagus irritation. If not further aggravated, even that can improve.

It doesn't have much chance of improvement if the GI tract is further aggravated by using a shotgun-approach.

Diagnostics isn't so difficult, really. Even MD's can learn how to do it.

That is my opinion, of course, based on my experience.
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The problem is that acid reflux can cause "radiating" pain, such as pain up to the shoulder, down the left arm, up to the neck, through to the back, etc. The same nerves that are affected by the heart are also affected by acid reflux. Yes, I hate Tums too. The best thing I've ever found for acid reflux is chlorophyll, believe it or not! I hardly ever have a problem with it now unless I have done some really heavy lifting.

If I should get chest pain that chlorophyll didn't help, I would feel pretty certain that the pain was coming from my heart. That is when I would take two aspirin (or maybe not, since I am taking plenty of fish oil, etc.!) and call 911!


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That is interesting you would say that about chlorophyll.

I had an ounce of freshly-made wheat grass juice, once, and felt great.

The Gastro MD specialist I had warned against the use of Tums saying, Tums have a rebound-effect because of the ingredients.

I had got a hiatal hernia from getting hit in the chest so hard I was knocked in the air and fell on my back. It was volleyball. I was standing on the back line with no idea how to play volleyball. It was an office picnic in the U.S. Army.

After much stupidity, involving prescribed "ice cream diet" Metamucil and other medical insults, I was given the U.S. Army Comprehensive Bland Diet.

It had Highly Beneficial, Neutral and Avoid lists. If you were doing really well, you could try an Avoid.

When I saw the Blood-Type Diet was organized in Beneficial, Neutral and Avoid, I immediately wanted to see if it worked for me.
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Connie, all my life I had really great results every time I had a CBC except for once in these many years. Guess what? I had been taking Tums for severe acid reflux about a month when I had a test done and I was almost anemic!! I never went overboard with taking them at all, either! I saw my doctor one day soon after and asked him would Tums cause anemia. He said they certainly could, and he explained why. After I quit taking them I was back to normal in no time. They are the biggest conglomeration of junk I ever saw in my life! Yeah, one of those "insults," for sure!!

I am very sorry about your accident. Those games can get really fast and furious sometimes!! Sounds like you are definitely on the right track now!! I fell out of a tree when I was eight years old and messed up a lot of stuff on my right side forward partly because I hit a tree stump when I landed. Knocked me out and I almost rolled into the lake before someone grabbed me. The limb I was holding onto and the one I was standing on both broke at the same time!  I try to avoid accidents now like the plague!!


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Yes indeed, indigestion versus heart was one of my first posts here..


...I took the person who then was 18 and ended up in the emergency room for possible heart issues 3 times in one week, and periodically after .. only to be told it was indigestion after being given Mylanta..

I will advise her to take chlorophyll.. makes all the sense in the world.. thanks..

HOW do you swallow it???


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I will advise her to take chlorophyll.. makes all the sense in the world.. thanks..

HOW do you swallow it???


Goldie, I have both chewable tablets and softgels. Chlorella works well, too, in capsules. I have used all three, and they all work for me!


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Dirty... OK so I use this name..

Here I go again.. warning: some way out there - mental meanderings..

There are reasons for all illnesses..    IF you have not fixed your arrhythmia, and still wish to do so after all you read, then here I will come around again and dig a bit deeper.. if you don't wish to go here, I understand..


BUT if you wish to get a handle on this then it is just as important to find out what started all this discomfort in the first place..    LIKE reading all our responses, you get a word here and a sentence there that will have meanings to you.. I would have you go one step further..

on a good day when you have some time and strength:

I would have you close your eyes and ask your own brain to please tell you WHAT had been preceding the first episode.. after some time you might remember some thing.. follow that and see if it makes sense to you to reevaluate the moment as you experienced it then, and see it as you see it now.. sometimes this kind of self evaluation can release old memories and reveal how you might have interpreted that old situation, yet by re- evaluating it from the current 'place' you may be able to change the (old) experience and create a more current experience..

This sounds like a lot of googlegop.. but it is really not..

it is like : seeing a person flying through the air ... You keep wondering WHY?? you keep thinking why? how what happened?  and there is NO rest for you or your many body functions.. you do circular thinking..

Then you ask to better understand that situation.. you have read what it was that happened to that person.. he fell or he jumped, or no one knows..

NOW however you can look at the old situation with time past and NOW you can make some kind of sense out of that old situation, put a line under it by giving it a new ending.. real or not has little impact.. BUT now you can be at peace and forget the man flying through the air..  it is all done..

when we develop recurring thinking, circular thinking, fearful thinking, we are more likely to become ever more concerned, yet by briefly going back to (MANY MANY ) items small or large and creating new endings, you will eventually be able to let go of all the issues that keep you waiting / fearful for the next attack..

Dirty.. if this whole post is way out for you and does not interest you, I understand.. either way I just wanted to show you how we are connected to the past and sometimes the past has a great deal of hold on our current time/ thinking and life experience.  One way to let go is to revisit in small ways, and with new understandings put things and thoughts in 'shoe boxes 'and put a lid on it.  

All the best no matter what you will do..  


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Hey Goldie, in a way that's what I've been trying to do for a long time now.  I like how you put it into words though.  And to be honest, I've never really thought about the connection with my arrhythmia's and something mental.  I think there ARE physical reasons why they might happen.  But also know there is nothing wrong with digging into the psyche.  It can only help.  Thanks for putting into an understandable form of writing.  I have to admit, it's probably the first time I read one of your posts and completely understood it in it's entirety!!!  heheheheh   You just are so over my head at times, I think.  


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JJR.. what a nice response.. thank you..

So let me go another step, more for em than you.. .... and if no one wants to go down this road with my meanderings, it is ok..  

Yesterday, I had been working on a proposal that really means so many things to me.. connected to self esteem and a lot of other issues..

So I was writing the proposal for hours, changing the style, a word, a coma, and then taking out whole paragraphs, putting them back in and so for hours.. stupid hours as I think the first memo would have been just as good as the final one..

but my LEARNED insecurity drove me NUTS.. it would not let me rest, or get to  a resolution, or just let me leave it alone.. I felt ever more pressure.. I could not stop even myself, from stressing all the while, all alone in my own house.. FOR NO REASON AT ALL>

It got finally to the point where it was 3pm and I just finished the words and added one part to the intro AND pushed SEND.. finally I felt the chips had to fall where they might - good bad or indifferent- it just had to be done.. IT will never matter one way or the other.. life will go on.. and life is good..  

YET, I near drove ME to 'drink, eat, jump off a bridge, or bang my head against a wall or create a fence around me so big I could never climb over it'  ....... I was actually FEELING that I WAS settling into MY MIND and BODY connections a 'story' of utter failure, of utter disgust, hopelessness and great frustration, feeling HELPLESS and full of despair... FOR NO REASON..

I could feel that IF I was NOT going to find a way to laugh, or cry, or express my thinking, then something was SETTLING into my body  FROM all that mental stuff, AND I WOULD GET SICK, be it now for a heart condition, over eating sweets to blow my diabetes to smithereens, get a heart attack, or worse let it settle in my psychy and BODY  to actually start a sickness develop for years from now!  FOR NO REASON..

You see I was way 'out' there.. making me and my body, and most of all my brain TRY to do UNDERSTAND why this was so life IMPORTANT that I was willing to get sick over it to die.. .....

NOT for real, BUT remember: the body never forgets, the mind does not know truth from fiction.. you can tell your mind to believe anything/ and yesterday it was going to believe!  
.. BUT not the body.. the body knows truth.

SO IF I allowed my brain to feel and talk to IT SELF as IF life was all trouble, not worth living, to difficult, ..  THEN the brain might actually react to that negativety and send out all the wrong signals to my body organs .. making me sick, now or later... FOR NO REASON...

Those body organs would have to respond in the way NEVER intended, but they would make the best out of those 'wrongful' instructions, AND the damage would be done... and IF I was not aware that this could be possible, then I would never know about just how sick I REACTED to a stupid memo.. FOR NO REASON.

The crazy stuff is that I could send that memo out in a year from now.. it would make no difference.. no one would have known except me..SO, how stupid could I be? to WORK MY-SELF up? into such ridiculous behavior? .. FOR NO REASON.. mind you life is good..

I MEAN   IF a 5 year old would behave like that, I would have scolded him.. INSTEAD.. I had to scold ME and tell ME to settle down sit and meditate, breath, let go, calm MY BODY reactions down to something looking way more normal..   !!    making ME good with life again..  FIXING circular thinking...

IF I did not do that yesterday, consciously, aware, of whatever part of my brain was still functioning PROPERLY, I could have become sick, now or later... that I am certain of.. !!!!

BECAUSE IF MISTAKEN THINKING>>

...... the bad part about such .. relative.. small moments in life is what BUILDS over time, and while my mind forgets, the body never does!!!!!!!!!!!1  and the next time WHEN I would be talking to the person who the memo was mailed to, --- then I might react to in total OVER BLOWN FEAR - realted of immagined failure.. FOR NO REASON<
other then the brain is misssssinformed and tells the body functions to react in the same old way..  IT DID YESTERDAY..

so MY SURVIVAL MODE of yesterday (IF I DON"T FIX  IT) becomes 'my' NORMAL response to ANY SIMILAR stress situation... all under ground of my own awareness!!!.. and FOR NO REASON at all, just old stuff kicking up.

IN THE END I got lucky, ....... a friend came by.....  and I was able to talk and get my frustration out, I meditated, I re-thought my behavior, and I DECIDED that I NEED to RE-view some old patterns, because ........  it is some old similar situation that got ME triggered YESTERDAY--- STRARTING WITH ME feeling insecure, pushing ME so I could not WAIT for next week to send the proposal, and that I had to make it perfect, to fix it a thousand times for NO reason at all.. Just some OLD memories stuff kicking up and MAKING ME ILL..

JJR, your words came just the right time.. you gave me back some of my own dignity- lost for a while- and gave me another lease on life.. trying to stay healthy.. so here goes today..

I will eat SWAMI. I will be happy, I will relax, I will do all I can to REPAIR the damage I did yesterday.. and your words helped..   Thanks...


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So I was writing the proposal for hours, changing the style, a word, a coma, and then taking out whole paragraphs, putting them back in and so for hours.. stupid hours as I think the first memo would have been just as good as the final one..

In Engineering, we call this "Analysis Paralysis".  Very common to get "hung up" in trying to get just the exact proper verbiage or method when many will be effective.


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a good word to.. thanks


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To Goldie's point, although my husband has a physical wiring problem with his heart, emotional issues, stress or anxiety can trigger an episode.  This is what Dr. Herbert Benson's work, which I posted in an earlier post in this thread, is all about - the MIND - BODY CONNECTION.  I hope those of you with heart issues took the time to read about his work.

A perfect example of this is my blood pressure.  I have been doing a pretty good job of controlling it without medication by exercising.  However, if I am under stress or have anxiety or am in an emotionally bad state, my blood pressure goes up.


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exactly...... and yet I would say.. IF you ask your brain to tell you when the weiring got messed up ... going back and back.. maybe even to childhood.. then YOU CAN HEAL that part of the brain INSTRUCTIONS.. I am near certain of that, that maybe, if I got reallllly ill I might refuse treatment, depending on the day, because I would wish to TRY healing by mind power alone..

I say I might.. because I don't know for sure until it happens, BUT I CAN try to actively prevent the current stuff to get out of control..

Yesterday was a bad day.. but then I might just NEED to do the work I am talking about!! I get lazy.. or I beat myself up.. both is bad..

No CHANGE - no change!  moving to create movement.. internally and out.. with every good by I learn!

Dr. Herbert Benson's.. I will Google it right now.. thanks..

http://www.massgeneral.org/conditions/default_landing.aspx  
interesting.. now I am going to read on 'conditions'..  thanks for reminding me..


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THIS comes from the post about minerals.. I thought it interesting..

yes calcium must be taken with magnesium, even as much as a 1:1 ratio or higher for some people (higher magnesium).  And I agree the mineral wheel is complicated - each mineral antagonizes another, so if one is supplemented care must be taken to provide ALL the other minerals.  Heart attacks can be caused by hypomagnesia, even if it isn't clinical (which it never is as blood serum measured magnesium doesn't reflect cell magnesium content).  That is my understanding from doing extensive reading on the subject.  



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Patty H -  I seem to be hyper-sensitive. I can't watch anything violent or sad on T.V. or my  blood pressure goes up. It's that fight or flight thing with the body. My husband insists on watching all kinds of stuff I don't like, so he puts on his earphones and I do other things in another room so I don't see nor hear the stuff.
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Patty H -  I seem to be hyper-sensitive. I can't watch anything violent or sad on T.V. or my  blood pressure goes up. It's that fight or flight thing with the body. My husband insists on watching all kinds of stuff I don't like, so he puts on his earphones and I do other things in another room so I don't see nor hear the stuff.


It's that mind - body connection, yes?


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OHHHHHHH yes, .. it is time to find other ways to deal with bad addictions/habits.. stand up for your rights to peace.. even in another room .. there is no reason why one should watch stuff that raises BP.. what a way to disrespect.. and then be mean or whatever.. no way..    


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