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Spring
Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 3:06am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Yes - WPW is an electrical problem in the heart.  Basically, he had too many electro-conductive pathways in his heart.  When he had excess adrenaline, these additional pathways would open up and cause a very dangerous, extremely rapid heartbeat.  His heart has been clocked at over 280 beats per minute.

Here is something from pubmed that describes it:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001206/

Unfortunately, my husband probably needs another ablation which is done by an electrophysiologist.  With the body's ability to heal itself, it can regenerate the unwanted excess electrical pathways as I understand it.  We are actually waiting on the referral from his PCP.

Hope everything goes well for your husband, Patty H. I don't think I ever got to over 255 bpm, and that was pretty unnerving, to say the least!
It seems that they would have found this when they were doing the testing on Dirty ----? Is it hard to diagnose? Maybe you noticed that Dirty does not have insurance and, apparently has some pretty heavy stress with his relatively "new" business and lifestyle, even though it is so much better than it was before. And has spent a LOT of money on medical bills. I just hope we don't give him more stress than he already has under the circumstances. He had said that he had been better for the last year or so - I think. I really empathize with him.


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(a good educational post Patty H.)


I had on attack recently, but no where near the numbers mentioned above.  I think the reason to use on oxymeter is to see just how bad it really is OR if it only feels bad.  I get numbers over 90 so no big deal but they feel uncomfortable .. and scary.  Testing and seeing that I can get the numbers down by breathing is a comforting issue.  

I THINK my bad numbers last week came on by something I ate.  I was eating out at a party and can not help but suspect that it was something in the foods - maybe some kind of preservative or whatever..  2 days later I was ok again, so clearly my issues are not the same ... therefore I believe that eating RIGHT is a good beginning, Oxy testing is a must, and knowing with a doctor what is going on is all important.  

For me however in this thread, there was a 'clue' that this might be emotionally stimulated as described in one of the first posts where there was 'fear' of going out of the house.. Even fleeting fear like that is important to get under 'control'.  Answering the questions on what do you eat, drink and do, is a good start, and telling how high the pulse rate goes makes a big difference also.  

Anything over 120 resting, and I think I would put in a call to someone -- IF -- I ate correctly the days before.. any pulse over 200 -- I would check in the emergency room to find answers.  

I get low oxygen, 89 to 93 is normal for me, KNOWING that helps the nurses when they take it during doctors visits. When I improve my breathing the pulse comes down a few.. normal pulse for me can be 60 to 70 when I eat Right. Pulse and palpitations feel quite different.



      


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Hi Spring and Goldie - my intent with Dirty was not to scar him but to be sure he follows his doctor's advice.  Heart arrhythmia can be caused by many things, as we have seen from this thread, but it is important to not just assume that it is caused by foods or food additives, stress, etc.  It can be organic in nature, like my husband's WPW.

In fact, as I stated earlier, stress makes my husband's heart problems much worse.  That is why I recommended meditation.  Of all the things he does, getting enough sleep and meditation seem to help the most.


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Hi Spring and Goldie - my intent with Dirty was not to scar him but to be sure he follows his doctor's advice.  Heart arrhythmia can be caused by many things, as we have seen from this thread, but it is important to not just assume that it is caused by foods or food additives, stress, etc.  It can be organic in nature, like my husband's WPW.

In fact, as I stated earlier, stress makes my husband's heart problems much worse.  That is why I recommended meditation.  Of all the things he does, getting enough sleep and meditation seem to help the most.


I think there is much more to Dirty's story and how he has tried to deal with his problem than he has posted. (I mean, how many people do we know who houses medical equipment such as he has?!) In fact, I would guess that he has hardly dented the surface in relating his situation. I hope he will be up to giving more information, but I fear that it has been a strain on him, maybe more than he could afford, simply to post what he has.

But I do want to be clear, that for my part, I think the thread has been very informative and educational. But aside from that, there may be an elephant in the room that we are missing entirely. But no one has said we aren't still human!  


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Patty H

"my intent with Dirty was not to scar him"..... scare.. no not - either way.. your post was caring and out of your own experiecne.....  

I thought your post was well placed - I never knew such a thing existed ..      

All the best to your husband too.  What a way to spend his life from childhood on, with such a diagnosis, at a time when 'they' had fewer means to fix it.

I pm'd you..  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Wow! This has become a much bigger thread than I expected. Thank you everyone for your feedback, and thanks again just for caring enough to respond to any of this. I am very grateful. If all of you were doctors, the world would be cured.

I'm gonna see if I can make this short. My weeks are very hectic.

Patty, thanks for the info and your concern. I agree with you, but am not as fortunate to have access to medical attention. I used to have insurance, and when I did I saw multiple doctors for these issues. The first time I saw a cardiologist, they did blood test, ekg, and made me run on a treadmill then took ultrasound on my heart and valves etc. I wore a heart monitor for 1 week. I never saw the doctor again, just his assistants. They told me everything was fine. They could not give me answers to my questions, and could give no solutions. They said it wasn't my heart. So if it wasn't my heart, it must be my lungs? Do lungs have spasms? I went to find out. I saw a pulmonologist and he listened to my breath, took some blood, and then shot me up with some kind of dye, that makes you think you pissed yourself, but didn't, and sent me through a miniature stargate machine. Lungs are fine. I was even told there are no spots on them (whatever that means). I gave up and told myself "there nothing wrong with me. It's either some wierd muscle problem or I'm just losing it". After a few months of just dealing with it, BAM! I had one that was way different than before. Shortly after another. They began to get more intense and more frequent. I went to my GP, and told him what was going on and he said he would refer me to another cardiologist. This was another fancy group of heart specialist, kind of like the one before at the all might Emory. They do all the test, blood, ekg, ultrasound (resting this time), and give me a more sophisticated heart monitor to wear for a month. It wasn't until the 2nd to the last day, that I had any palpitations. I thought that was enough. The weren't big one's, but I thought they would register. Nope. About a month after that, they became pretty consistent. Almost every day. I had to cuss my GP to get me another referral. I went back and was fitted with the same kind of heart monitor, and from day one was sending data. I still kept it on the whole month, because I thought the more data the better. By the end of the month I had scars on my chest from wearing the sticky electrode pads. They had removed my skin. The cardiologist finally comes in and says they detected, PVC's, PAC's, and SVT. He briefly explained what that meant. He said there was nothing he could do about it, that I would just have to ignore them. When ask him if he could ignore someone punching him in his gut (thats the effect, but without the pain)and still carry on a conversation, or continue with his work like nothing just happened, he started, the drug talk. He offered to give me a pacemaker, but being 31 years old at the time, and having not exhausted all other options, I said no. That just wasn't on the table. He said he could give me anti-arrhythmic drugs, but they often do more damage than good, and that wasn't on the table either, so I walked away with a prescription for Atenolol. I didn't take it, and started seeking alternative options. Everyday reading and researching, asking questions, seeking answers, my life became about this. My only concern with life was to keep it. I wanted to live life without feeling this way and I probably over did it. With the past experiences I've had with licensed drug dealers and now these heart people not willing to help (there's alot more to the story that angers me that I'm leaving out so I can give me fingers and your minds a rest, so this is the short, sugar coated version) I started taking all the info I had found , bought alot of my own supplies and equipment, and started keeping my own data. I thought maybe one day this would be valuable to someone that might know about the heart and cared about mine. I had books filled with information. My whole life was logged for a year or so. Everything from food, drink, blood pressure 3-6 times a day, oxygen levels, bowel movements, urine PH, saliva PH, ekg logs, hours of sleep, vitamin intake, mineral intake, color of my poop and if it floated or not (I don't know why) how many steps I took that day, every teaspoon of everything that went inside me, and times and dates for all of it. I even logged when my wife and I had sex and what my BP and heart rate was immediately after. Yes! I said it. Talk about killing the romance in your life. I'm glad my wife has such a great sense of humor, and I have no sense of humility. I think this is what ultimately led to the xanax.

Jan 21, 2011, I had the worst episode to date. My wife and I were on our way up to work on our house for the weekend (we drove 2.5 hours to our land on Fridays, worked on getting our house built *DIY* and drove back home Sunday evening for over 2 years until we were done) and it hit he about 30 minutes from our land. We stopped at my aunt"s house so I could lay down and see if I could get them under control. No chance of that. These were so bad, about every other beat would pause for 1-2 seconds and thump back on. I would get a normal beat, then mis the next one, and then a double beat 5 times harder than it should be. This went on for over an hour, before me aunt called the paramedics. The response time out here is like 30+ minutes. It stopped maybe 5 minute before they got there. The took my vitals, and I sent them on there way. I just relaxed for about an hour, and then had a bite to eat. 10 minutes after eating, it started happening again and lasted for almost another hour. This is when I started taking the beta blockers, and xanax, per the paramedics request. At this point, what did I have to lose. I had already accepted that I was gonna die in that bed, that this really was it. Well, it wasn't. We left to go back home the next morning, after that, I couldn't give a sh*t about building a house. The next week was pretty rough, but nothing like that previous friday. Well exactly one week, after that episode here we go again. This time is when I tried the "rage approach" that I was telling Spring about in an earlier post. Needless to say the data collected from the ekg on the way to the hospital disappeared and the doctors sent me home with a fat bill and the same response "nothing we can do". This is when I went to a naturopath and had my adrenals tested, iodine level tested, metal toxicity test, and so on. This is where I first heard of the BTD and other things that I have pursued.

Anyway, I still skipped alot, but I was trying to make this short. So much for that. This is why I have to find the time to write up a bio about this. This is the sugar coated version and only a small piece of it.

I have been slowly getting better since then, but nowhere near normal yet, and still have bad days and every now and then bad weeks, but so far haven't had an "episode" in over a year. I have no faith in doctors, and no money for naturpaths. I found a GP here that I can see for $25 per visit, but they told me they wouldn't see me anymore until I see another cardiologist. I told them I don't have the $375 they wanted for an appointment, that's why I going to see her $25 not caring expletive deleted, but that was that. This is where I am, and doctors are not going to save me. I have to do that myself or die trying. I just thought I would see if I could get any extra help here, and I have. By the way, if you have read this far, you need a hobby!  

Sorry for the long post, but I had to clear that up. Thanks everyone!

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By the way, if you have read this far, you need a hobby!  



Good morning Dirty, I obviously need a hobby!!!! but my 'hobby' is attempting to help people be aware of the wonderful help via the internet which all too frequently transcends anything an 'orthodox' doc will even have a glimmer of.

Your story would not be alien to many on the afibbers site, I've read similar many times.
You do sound as if you are getting a handle on this yourself which is brilliant considering the stress and lack of help you have had.

I know without Hans's forum I'd have been on drugs by now, but with info there and on here also, I'm not and never have been.

On that forum is a man by the name of George, he was vegetarian, ill and did lots of tests as you have done in a scientific way.  I asked his blood type = O what a surprise  
Now he is so much better for eating paleo [BTD not really believed, but so similar to paleo for O's why should I comment   ]

Another young woman, who is in the archived forums and went on to study nutrition was so bad she had seizures with her arrhythmia........ once she began eating for her O type she recovered, though she puts it down to something else that was in her food intake .... but I find it most interesting observing from a distance sometimes  

BTW you might be taking too much magnesium - your post [and a argument I got into on another site!] made me look up this link again and I've just reduced mine the last couple of days on the strength of it.

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/minerals/magnesium/

Good health to you Dirty  

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Patty, thanks for the info and your concern. I agree with you, but am not as fortunate to have access to medical attention. I used to have insurance, and when I did I saw multiple doctors for these issues. The first time I saw a cardiologist, they did blood test, ekg, and made me run on a treadmill then took ultrasound on my heart and valves etc. I wore a heart monitor for 1 week. I never saw the doctor again, just his assistants. They told me everything was fine.

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SO at least it's NOT your heart!


so I walked away with a prescription for Atenolol. I didn't take it, and started seeking alternative options.

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Taking this drug was my first suggestion- for the fear of it..


Talk about killing the romance in your life. I'm glad my wife has such a great sense of humor, and I have no sense of humility. I think this is what ultimately led to the xanax.

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so you need to blame her?  for a bad drug ...


It stopped maybe 5 minute before they got there.

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yes the body has ideas of it's own when the mind needs a break...


but so far haven't had an "episode" in over a year.

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just what I expected


This is where I am, and doctors are not going to save me. I have to do that myself or die trying. I just thought I would see if I could get any extra help here, and I have.

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So what is it that you learned from us.. what are you eating NOW?


By the way, if you have read this far, you need a hobby!  

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so right but some of us where desperate when we came here, and some remember and give back..


Sorry for the long post, but I had to clear that up. Thanks everyone!

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No you are not.. you needed to unload.. to let go.. I purposely revered all the boxes here to show you that all your efforts where reversed.. the more you tried the more you lost....


SO here goes MY personal advice!  a) tell us what you eat.. and how high the pulse/oxymeter goes on a good and bad day..

b) reduce or eliminate all your supplements and reduce your pills and all else unless it is food.  Don't endanger your self doing this.. go slow.. but in a month you will feel better.

c) reread the pm I sent you..  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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WOW // IF the above does not make you confused then nothing will...

BUT I see the need for you to REVERSE some thinking.. This is not the case of having neglected the MEDICAL end of it all.. You are healthy enough, just some things are happening to you.. yes they are.. but reversed thinking can get you all mixed up..

You somehow have decided that this is your life.. yet it is not so, but who am I to convince you otherwise.. We all choose our own way of life and living.. and seldom if ever do we change.. we know the misery we are in, we are afraid of the change that might make a difference.. You are not alone, but there is help, you just have not followed it through..

I am not taking any of this lightly, but I have seen results others can only imagine.. you can be such a person who over came..   give change a chance..


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Man.......This experience sounds like a conglomeration of all the bad experiences with doctors that I have ever seen posted on this forum over the last ten years!

Reminds me of the seven years it took to get acid reflux diagnosed simply because I was not hurting in the "right place."

Well, Dirty, I think you have indeed come to the "right place!"

I can't help but notice that you have not mentioned a whole lot about the stress that has been going on in your life. (Except, of course, all the stress from dealing with those doctors and the episodes themselves!) But to tell you the truth, from the little you have said, it reminds me of someone taking a lot of pains to feed a horse the right stuff every day, but regularly beating him nearly to death to make him run faster! And even if he isn't running, he is made to feel he should be running! Does this sound familiar?!

We have a young friend who has a huge car repair business with two locations, and he and his men stay in triple high gear all the time trying to keep up with all the business that piles in every single day. He is running all the time and seems to thrive on it. (He has some other businesses too.  ) The thing is, though, he is an O-Type.

I'm hoping that with the house built, getting to move away from the rat race (I have palpitations just thinking about driving through Atlanta on I-85!! ) and your efforts to clean up your work environment, altogether, will make your life a whole lot better! I gather that this is already beginning to happen. And with less stress on your body, the less need for supplements - so you could keep that in mind too. And the sooner you feel up to getting off the Xanax, the better.


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Dirty,

I have SVT's and PVC's also.  

I'll try and be brief.  First off, I totally know what you're going through.  I used to be a do it all, get lots of things done, full of life person and my arrhythmia took that all away.  I think there is something CAUSING my arrhythmia and I'll get to that.

I also didn't go the drug route.  But I am blessed in that I was able to quit my job and my wife went full time.  She has a good job and it has worked for us.  But it has changed our lives.

I had a health crash at age 35.  I lost 20 pounds in one month and was sick to my stomach after eating all the time.  And it's been a fight ever since then.  I'm 40 now.

The big problem with arrhythmia's and many other health issues is the doctors rarely know WHY things happen and don't go to the source.  They just treat the symptoms.  There are good reasons for this and bad reasons.  Bad reasons is they're lazy, overworked, want you hooked on a drug because it benefits their wallet, they're too proud to admit they don't know why and won't dig deeper.  And they just are above their pay grade.  The good reasons would be it's not the doctors fault that the insurance companies won't pay for many tests that actually figure this stuff out.  Plus, it is sometimes a very complex thing.  

I have gone to alternative doctors also to help me.  I have found a lot of help with supplements and diet and figuring out on my own what to do.  

This is why I think I have mine.  I have been diagnosed with lymes disease and it took them a long time to figure that out.  I think it has affected my nervous system, well, I know it has.  And I think that's the cause.  If it will ever go away or not, I have no clue.  I still get them now and then.  And my Electrophysiologist said mine is one that is inoperable.  But he also said it's not life threatening.  I lived with mine for years before they ever caught it in a medical setting.  I got sick one year and it lasted for over 3 hours and I ended up in the ER.  There had been other times that as soon as I got there, it went away.  So... It was frustrating.

I carry metoprolol tartrate for AS NEEDED.  I don't take it every day.  I just carry it in case I get them and they don't go away.  I still get them every once in a while and they usually pass in a couple of minutes. And that's without taking the drug.  I just lay down, like you said, and drink some water and eventually they go away.  But if I push myself physically, or even mentally and get all stressed out, they can last for longer and be more of a thing to deal with.  I chose to just cool down, live a slower paced life and not take drugs to deal with it.  I don't know if that's the right way or not.  Many people choose to take drugs and continue their hectic lifestyle.  But again, I'm blessed to have a wife that was willing to swap roles.  We homeschool our kids, so, one of us had to be home anyways.  So we switched.  

Things that I think have helped:

Cod liver oil.  I have taken that every day for a long time.  1 teaspoon.
Coq10.  I take this regularly.  50mg a day.  Maybe 4-5 times a week presently.
Avoiding caffeine.  I have not drank a caffeinated drink in over 5 years.  Even green tea I get decaf.  I don't even drink decaf coffee any more, as it makes me feel kind of weird too.  I have ended up eating a little dark chocolate regularly, and it seems to be OK.  But I avoided chocolate for a long time previously.
I don't eat much sweets at all.  In fact, there was a long time I didn't eat any.
Healing the gut.  I had all kinds of gut issues and I'm sure this played a role in the health of my nervous system or electrical wiring.
When I cut out chicken and onions, I got them less.  Cutting chicken out made me less bloated.  Before that I would always have a feeling of pressure on my chest from my gi.  Like it was pushing up on my heart and lungs.  And when I'd bend over, it would easily cause my arrhythmia.  For me, after cutting chicken out, that was helped very much.  AB's and B's are supposed to stay away from chicken.
Onions for some reason definitely cause them.  For me.  I'm not sure why, other than something to do with the sulfur in them, or I don't know.  I know other people that have allergies to onions and it makes them feel weird.  One guy I know says he'll practically start hallucinating after eating raw onions.  
I also have turned to following this diet and eating as pure a food as I can afford.  Which I can't really even afford.  We've drained our savings just to eat healthy.  
yeah, good sleep helps too.  We bought a better bed.  Tempurpedic.  I love that bed.  I used to sleep horribly though.  Well, after I had my "crash" as I stated.

There is probably more, but my post is long.  And I have to start cooking lunch.

I pray that you get some comfort.  You may think about the possibility of lymes disease.  Do you have fatigue?  I'm not saying it's the reason, but I know it attacks the nervous system eventually.  I went to mayo clinic and had a bunch of tests done and the neurological tests were the only ones I failed.  Yours may be caused by something else.  And I'm sure that's what you've been trying to figure out for a long time now.

I know how you feel.  I prayed for you the last couple of days because I feel your pain and started to read your thread a couple of days ago.  It's not fun.  Life sometimes throws us big curve balls that make us want to give up, cry, shoot something, break something, dig a hole and go live in it.  Etc etc.  It has not been fun for me because I grew up real strong and healthy.  This has kicked my butt.  But I guess it was my turn to be messed up.  And I've learned a LOT of really good lessons in the trial.  It's hard to see the upsides, but they are there.  I pray we both learn our lessons, and learn how to deal with life.  And have joy in the midst of our pain.


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Thanks, JJR, for posting your own journey down what seems a very, very similar road....I think your prayers led you to post your story!
I can relate so well to what you said about chicken. Oh, boy, the stuff was doing me in, and I was soooo happy when I saw it was an avoid on my SWAMI diet!!! It was worth every penny to have that confirmed!
Thanks again.......


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I had some problems a few months ago with rapid heartbeats and what I think were palpitations. By the time the Dr. ran an EKG everything was normal.
I had thyroid cancer and don't have a thyroid anymore so I'm on thyroid drugs at a suppressive level and my dose was too high.  When we reduced the T4 (levoxyl) by just a little it went away for the most part.  I also have a very low dose of Lorazepam .05 mg for anxiety just in case I need it.  My PCP gave me just 10 pills and I've had them for months.  
It sounds like you are doing all the right things.  I hope you find answers that make sense.  You mentioned that you had thyroid tests but that you haven't been back.  That might be a simple solution.  
Wishing you the best.
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I also know that too much iodine will ramp you up.  Can cause your heart rate to be too high, which for me is when I can start getting the arrhythmias.

Spring, in the defense of chicken.  I was eating it a LOT because I THOUGHT I was an A.  I didn't do the test and my Mom THOUGHT I was an A.  I had gone by her assumption for about a year.  There's a lesson for me.  Trust, but verify.  But I was eating a LOT of chicken and most of it was BAD chicken.  It was before I was more careful about the quality of meat I ate.  And from what I can tell, those poor chickens that are mass produced are probably not the best thing going for our health.  Yuck.  

I actually love the flavor though.  And I'll probably eat some now and then, when I'm feeling up to it.  But for now I've avoided it.  It is also an avoid on my swami.  Interesting that an A has it as such.  


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Spring, in the defense of chicken.  I was eating it a LOT because I THOUGHT I was an A.  I didn't do the test and my Mom THOUGHT I was an A.  I had gone by her assumption for about a year.  There's a lesson for me.  Trust, but verify.  But I was eating a LOT of chicken and most of it was BAD chicken.  


I was eating more than a LOT of chicken, JJR! I used to love it until I began to notice that I felt exhausted after I ate it. I mean exhausted like I needed to go to bed!! During the day!! It was consistent too. Never failed. My confidence in Dr. D. soared when I saw chicken was taken off my superfood list in SWAMI!!!

I broke down and ate some several weeks ago when one of our sons was here "for old time's sake" and suffered for an entire week!!! (Shudder)


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I haven't read everything here but in my experience it could be due to high homoecysteine levels...
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Hey everyone. After some of the responses here I think I may need to break something down for all of you and anyone that may read this in the future. If you don't have an open, slightly twisted sense of humor, and if your not used to a certain amount of sarcasm, you will probably misunderstand alot of what I mean when I'm posting here. I love communication with other, but typing something is about as impersonal as you can make it. If you could hear me saying what I'm typing, it would probably have a whole new meaning at that point. I do try to type this stuff, that same as I would say it but it does lose it's context a little.

The hobby thing was a joke, and I threw that in there so anybody who got to that sentence would know that I was grateful they made it that far. Thank you.

Also, I just want you to know that I am not a really stressed out person. At least I don't see myself that way, and most of my peeps wouldn't describe me that way. On the contrary, most people would describe me as very laid back. Most people I meet think I'm stoned, and I don't even smoke pot. My stress really only comes when my palpitations start. Other than that, I don't take life very seriously. I do however take any problems very seriously, and when there is a problem, all my focus goes into the solution to that problem.

Niagreen: I will research homoecysteine. Thanks.

Jane: I am supposed to have my results back in a week.

JJR: The naturopaths that I was going to ask me about lyme disease, but I had never been tested. I do believe that the vagus nerve has alot to do with my issues, and in general the autonomic nervous system. If test fail to show lyme disease, what is the surefire method of knowing? Thanks for your story

Joyce: I will check out that forum, thanks for the info.

Spring: Work probably is the second most stressful thing in my life, but I try to keep it fun, and put my health before my business. I have someone there looking after my back, and another that I can trust with all the desk work, and financials, that I don't want anything to do with. I also have no problem sending an arrogant, impatient customer somewhere else, unless they agree to pay our company's "A**hole tax".

Goldie: I am confused. First off, I would never blame my wife for any problems I have. Not the xanax, not the health issues, not stress. The only thing I blame my wife for is being to good to me, and being the reason for all the beautiful things in my life. Actually, for even being alive the past 12 years. The xanax joke was my weird sense of humor, talking about how crazy things got, and how far I take things when I try to find answers. Forgive me, but I am missing the point your trying to make in your responses in the boxes. Sorry, I read them over and over and I'm not sure if your saying that this is all in my head, or that I'm fooling myself in some way to believe............nevermind. I won't assume anything until it has been made clear.

As for my diet, I'm trying real hard to do the Swami diet I printed out. I have to say, I thought the blood type diet was hard, my Swami really sucks. Even more, of the few things that I can eat, that I can actually get (we're fresh out of Ostrich here in my town) I have to subtract alot more of those, because of their effect on other issues I have that Swami doesn't know about. I had an egg this morning. 1 egg, fried in ghee with sprinkles of parsley. I felt like I had wasted a plate. I didn't even use a fork because I didn't think it was worth it. Maybe my blood type and genotype along with the other questions that I understood enough to amswer gave me a very strange Swami diet, but until I figure out some kind of weird recipes I can come up with, it's gonna be a rough time for awhile. Most of the things aside from fruits and vegetables, are hard to come by, or just not possible to be in my diet. I will ONLY eat organic food, and am limited to what I can grow (and my farm in new and still in the works for alot of things) or what I can get at the one store around here that sells food I will eat. One reason I was excited about moving here is that everyone around here hunts and wild food is about as natural as you can get. Well come to find out, all th "hunter around here feed the wild animals junk GMO, bait food and at best most animals are eating the massive amounts of pesticides people put on their gardens. Their actually killing the animals before they shoot them. Quail is on my neutral list, and one night I was invited to eat some after a big hunt, and went to chow down, but while they were cooking them in oil that I wouldn't even use to start a fire with, they were telling me how they hunt them. They explained how they are raised in cages their whole life and fed some kind of junk feed, and on hunting day someone lets them out of their cages while other start shooting them as they fly away. Well quail has been manually removed from my list. I eat to live not for the pleasure, so I can swallow some things that aren't very tasty, but I do have my limits. I'm hoping that it will get better when I can devote the time to figure out what kinds of things I can come up with.

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Your welcome about the story.  It's a lot longer, but like you said, it's hard to get it all in.  I was hoping to tell you you're not alone and hopefully give you some encouragement.  

Yeah, that darn vagas nerve.  I used to go to this nutritionist that would hook me up to this machine that was a biofeedback thing.  And my vagas nerve always seemed to be wacked out.  And that was when my stomach problems were at their worst.  So, I think there was and is some kind of connection to my gut issues, and the heart issues with the vagas nerve.  I mean that thing is huge and goes right down where everything is so critical.  At least with what we're talking about.  

Anyways....  I'm assuming with the diet thing you are really limited because you're an A or something.  It's all a process.  I would highly recommend getting your secretor status figured out, as I'm pretty sure that would make an impact on your SWAMI.  Or diet in general.  If it's too limiting, maybe go for the BTD for now.  I don't know.  If it were me, I don't think I would jump right into swami until I've done a good amount of reading in Dr.D's books.  It all makes so much more sense when you've read the books and you can kind of get a feel as to the why's of why your list might come out the way it does.  But it is process.  I feel like my list really fits me well.  There are some things that I have to avoid that are supposedly good for me, like onions, but on the whole, the swami diet seems to trump everything.  And I've done quite a few diets.  First it was the A diet (I was mistaken about my blood type), then it was the normal AB diet.  Then it was the Teacher diet in the GTD book.  I had a short stint of Nomad in the book diet.  And then I went back to BTD for a while.  And then I got swami.  And even that has changed a few times.  But the more info you know about yourself, the better swami is going to work for you.  There are still things I could probably figure out that would help, but I've got a lot of it filled out well.

Anyways.....

I pray you find your answers.  They will come.  Just have to take it one step at a time.


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all my above answers in the boxes where to be funny or close to it.. driest humor is my typing.. I understood exactly what you meant by your wife.. and xanax..

so lets be friends..

yet,, I would suggest that a lot of these issues will affect your 'head'.. but in a way that can only make the fear factor worse, not by you being Imagining the issues.. The fact that you are healthy otherwise, is what I would have you build on..

I did my swami in two ways,   I showed the actual weight, and all my previous conditions. . it gave me on answer.. then one day I took OFF all the stuff no longer needed and dropped my weight 50 pounds to normal  .. and expected many changes. . to my chagrin I did not see any. . I mean not even an extra fruit. .

At first I was surprised, then I decided that IF that was the case, then eating according to swami MUST be the right thing, no matter my weight.. meaning- eating for the potential of diabetes is the same as eating to prevent it or lower it's effects. This was a mind bender, since I had not really given myself enough credit for having healed many things and now no longer need to remember all that misery.  Yes I left diabetes as one factor on the list but all other things are no more.. !  I don't think I fooled myself.. I think I made progress! (and if I ever needed to go back there, I could enter it all again).  

So you can see much of who we are - is in our head- real - but baggage never the less. Giving up 'fear' (of reoccurring palpitations ) is on interesting possibility. EVEN if they where to return (and they will, here and there) does it really matter?  I am not suggesting this to be easy..but you are way more than palpitations.. you have a life! ..  

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You have not stated what your pulse/ oxy numbers are .. when normal or when having on episode.. (or I did not see it) that info might give important clues IF you combine it with exactly what you ate before, or the day before.  I think the answers are in there..


as for being lay ed back.. you can be lay ed back and still stress your body systems at at the same time.  I would still say again get rid of all sups for a while, cut way back on drugs, CAREFULLY, and see how your body might react to such a change.  It might actually become normal or at least become more clear..

For the fact that some tests don't show some things as expected.. I have the following answer.. worth 2 cents.. but:  I have much mercury in me and yet my hair test does not show it.. as coming out by way of my hair.. so no problem ?!>>>> I have no idea>>>>, but the test is often only as good as it works by comparison to other things happening around it.

----NOT to go here, but Lyme is that kind of illness that hides all the reasonable answers and causes mayhem long before it is discovered.. (I heared that there may soon be better testing to be done-so there is hope there.. )  but you see not all is known to science yet.

just in case I am not clear about what I suggest, but in essence it is: TRUST your body- it has not failed you so far--  TRUST changes in letting go of some pills and sups for a short while..  and trust that the BRAIN knows what it needs to do.. including coming here and communicating about it.. you will get the answers..  

Keep your humor and use a smiley if you need to get a point across.. I just did..  




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Dirty, maybe I missed it, but I have not seen anything about meditation.  This can be a powerful form of relaxation to help with your heart arrhythmia.  I have watched my husband bring down his heart rate by meditating.  If I am there when he is having an episode, I calmly tell him to say his mantra.  He goes into a meditative state.  While his heart is racing I can see his neck throbbing.  Once he begins to meditate, I can watch as his neck throbbing slows and eventually subsides all together.  You really should pursue this.

Meditation is medically proven to reduce heart rate.

http://www.naturalnews.com/032897_meditation_heart_attacks.html

Check out what they are doing at Harvard University/Mass General with meditation, pioneered by Dr. Herbert Benson:

http://www.massgeneral.org/bhi/basics/

http://www.massgeneral.org/bhi/about/benson.aspx

Finally, a word about cardiologists.  It is impossible for any cardiologist to diagnose something without test findings.  Like I said in my first post, the expert that my husband saw for his ablation stated that he didn't even think my husband had WPW.  The test for WPW is a simple EKG, but if the heart is not in an arrhythmia pattern at the time of the EKG, there is nothing to diagnose.  Wearing a monitor does not guarantee that your heart will go into arrhythmia.  It was not until the electrophysiologist was performing the procedure on my husband, which involves inserting electrodes into his heart through the groin and he took control of my husband' heart beat that he realized that both the upper and lower chambers of the heart were involved.  This never showed up on any EKG.  Another issue that we have had is that oftentimes by the time we get to the emergency room and they get him hooked up to the EKG machine, his heart beat is normal.  Catching the arrhythmia in action is a critical component to diagnosis, but it is the single most difficult aspect because of the timing involved.  

There is a monitor you can get that you do not have to wear.  You just use it when you are having arrhythmia.



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If I'm not mistaken, they have already caught his arrhythmia.  He already wore a monitor.  They know he has one.  That's what I get out of the thread.  

Yes, meditation can help these things.  But an arrhythmia is not just a rapid heart beat or palpitations.  It is rhythm that is not proper.  That's what I get.  And I know exactly what he's saying.  You don't feel any anxiety until right when it happens.  Then it causes anxiety to kick in.  Which is when learning how to overcome that is good.  But I think it's also a physical thing happening.  At least that's what I think.  I think it's both.  Mental, physical, etc.  But for me, I'm pretty sure anxiety is not what is causing the arrhythmia.  I think it's some kind of physical problem that has attacked the normal function and beat of my heart.  Now, stress and all that doesn't help.  I agree with that.  But I think it's a lot deeper than that.  Because I lived with TONS of stress and caffeine and sugar and bad food, for long time without it happening.  So, whether it's the body breaking down from lack of nutrients or old age, or something genetic, etc etc.  It's all of it.  The deal is that as humans, none of us are perfect and eventually we might show some signs of weakness physically, due to LIFE.  Not everyone's show up as arrhythmia's.  Some can show up as diabetes.  Some can show up as joint aches and pain.  On and on.  There's nothing wrong with figuring out the mental stuff.  But I know for me, the physical problems are just as much a part of it.  And believe me, I'm not discounting mental.  I've worked on that a lot too.  But what gets me is when people start acting like it's ALL about the mental.  I totally disagree.  Our bodies are imperfect in an imperfect world and I totally disagree with the beliefs that we can MAKE happen whatever we want to.  Yes, our mind has a lot of power.  But we don't choose to get bit by ticks that carry bad "spirochetes" that might upset your balance for a while.  My sister didn't choose for her last child to have a birth defect that allowed it to only live for one day.  On and on.  There are some things we can't control.  But yes, we can build on what we do know and the positive.


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Well, Dirty, it seems that you have most of the answers, or soon will, so maybe your patience is a virtue that is being tried to the limit here. I don't know what you may have done to your body in the past that could have contributed to your present state or what you  may have been born with that has caused such, heaven forbid, stress in your life, but I hope you will eventually reap many more benefits simply from what you are already doing. Meditate, read a book that doesn't lift the roof off your house, and tell yourself over and over if you get into another episode to just let go, let go, let go, let go. It may not work for you, but it has for me.

I had spastic colon problems when I was pregnant with my youngest son, and I would be in so much pain that I could hardly breathe or even read one word after another, but that was the only thing that would help. But once I could force myself to read one - word - at - a - time my body would respond and the spasms would stop. I didn't know about the let-it-go mantra at that time.

BTW, my BP monitor notes when I am having arrhythmia.


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The MENTAL part has to be understood NOT as the CAUSE but the results of it...  I must say this to all .. THE mental comes from the experience of LOSING control.. as in AA they have first STEP as::  We are powerless (over whatever) and it makes our life unmanageable..  

The fear I am talking about throughout is FROM the heart.. Heart issues cause Fear.. and with that comes anxiety.. and that is where propranalol might come in - by allowing the muscle anxiety to get some relieve might help..

Mental is no fun and meditation is the REASONABLE response, but when you are in fear/anxiety, it is near IMPOSSIBLE to behave reasonable.. so learning how to is a good thing any time..

Forgiveness to one self for having to start the thought PATTERN that will allow to even consider meditations is as importance as is 'breathing' and 'picturing' your self on a beach..  

BY the way keep the propranalol ( the other name) on hand.. do not just throw out your drugs.. taking less might work for a while to see how you would do without as much of anything, go careful, but maybe give it all a try..
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If I'm not mistaken, they have already caught his arrhythmia.  He already wore a monitor.  They know he has one.  That's what I get out of the thread.  

Yes, meditation can help these things.  But an arrhythmia is not just a rapid heart beat or palpitations.  It is rhythm that is not proper.  That's what I get.  And I know exactly what he's saying.  You don't feel any anxiety until right when it happens.  Then it causes anxiety to kick in.  Which is when learning how to overcome that is good.  But I think it's also a physical thing happening.  At least that's what I think.  I think it's both.  Mental, physical, etc.  But for me, I'm pretty sure anxiety is not what is causing the arrhythmia.  I think it's some kind of physical problem that has attacked the normal function and beat of my heart.  Now, stress and all that doesn't help.  I agree with that.  But I think it's a lot deeper than that.  Because I lived with TONS of stress and caffeine and sugar and bad food, for long time without it happening.  So, whether it's the body breaking down from lack of nutrients or old age, or something genetic, etc etc.  It's all of it.  The deal is that as humans, none of us are perfect and eventually we might show some signs of weakness physically, due to LIFE.  Not everyone's show up as arrhythmia's.  Some can show up as diabetes.  Some can show up as joint aches and pain.  On and on.  There's nothing wrong with figuring out the mental stuff.  But I know for me, the physical problems are just as much a part of it.  And believe me, I'm not discounting mental.  I've worked on that a lot too.  But what gets me is when people start acting like it's ALL about the mental.  I totally disagree.  Our bodies are imperfect in an imperfect world and I totally disagree with the beliefs that we can MAKE happen whatever we want to.  Yes, our mind has a lot of power.  But we don't choose to get bit by ticks that carry bad "spirochetes" that might upset your balance for a while.  My sister didn't choose for her last child to have a birth defect that allowed it to only live for one day.  On and on.  There are some things we can't control.  But yes, we can build on what we do know and the positive.


JJR, did you see my earlier post?  I am VERY familiar with heart arrhythmia problems.  My husband of 27 years was diagnosed with Wolff Parkinson White Syndrome, which is an electrical wiring problem, when he was in the eighth grade.  He has too many electro-conductive paths in his heart, so yes, it is a physical problem.  He already had one ablation and it about to have a second.

What I am saying is that there is a lot of research about meditation being highly beneficial for bringing down one's heart rate.  My husband has used TM successfully for many years to bring down his heart rate during an episode.  In fact, his meditation has been so successful at managing his physical heart problem that we had no idea until he went in for his ablation that he has the type of WPW that can cause instant death because both the upper and lower chambers of the heart are involved and there was no circuit breaker so his heart has been clocked at 280 beats per minute.  320 and you are dead.

I also talked about eating a proper diet, staying away from caffeine, limiting stress and getting plenty of sleep.  I am not implying that Dirty has a mental issue at all, nor do I think anyone else meant to imply that.  There is a serious amount of study about reducing heart rate with meditation of any kind.  Harvard University/Mass General Hospital doctor Herbert Benson has spent his entire medical career studying this.  It is just another tool to use to help.  Unless and until Dirty figures out how he can solve his heart arrhythmia, he should (and so should you) consider trying meditation along with the other things I recommended in my earlier post and in this post.  It certainly cannot hurt.  

In fact, our daughter has had many episodes of rapid heart rate so we thought she had inherited the WPW from her dad.  We have since learned that these episodes are usually brought on when she does not eat, so now she needs to be more mindful to remember to eat something, no matter how busy she is, even if it is something small until she has time to eat a regular meal.


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Maybe my blood type and genotype along

I assume that you let SWAMI choose your Geno Type?!


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