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DoS
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I have a lot of trouble sleeping. Sometimes I can't sleep because I think low blood sugar, and then sometimes in the morning I start to sleep. When my blood sugar seems right I sleep but then sometime in the morning I get up to pee once or twice and it is an odd smell; I'm not sure I can define what a "sweet" smell is but can say during the day I get more of a no smell to burnt Cheerios sometimes. However if I eat too much I don't sleep until I pee a few times later in night/morning.

During the day I don't seem to get the possible sweet smell; maybe if I eat way to much (like at a potluck or something) food including lots of sugar or something.
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Try not to snack between meals.
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Diabetes is not something to take casually. Might want to consider an A1c and/or fasting glucose. Use the results to form a plan, of which diet is important.
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I usually eat nothing between meals. I mean like 90% of the time.
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If your blood sugar is too low at bedtime, you might need a bedtime snack.

I agree with Lloyd's suggestion to have some lab tests to see if anything more serious is going on.


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I don't see what it would matter if I got tested? I'd just have to watch what I eat, like I do.

Besides they always check that and say I'm fine.

My blood sugar is often too high or too low, at bed time. So it seems anyway.
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Blood glucose has its own cycle (mediated by type, quantity, timing of food and drink) and it is highest one hour after meal and then it declines and reaches its low and again climbs and so on. It is very important to know if you have diabetic predisposition or not. (You can also use fingertips method to find out). Assuming that your are eating your normal meal and the glucose fluctuation (on either side) is way beyond the "normal", it could be an early signal that you have inherited diabetic tendency and it is good to watch and be careful in selecting the type, quantity, and timing of food and drink.



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Breakfast about 7:00AM
Snack about 10:00 AM
Lunch at noon
Snack about 2:30 PM
Dinner between 5:30 & 6:00 PM
Check Glucose every evening at 8:00 PM, if below 100 have a snack.

Diabetes has a tendency to drop about 3:00 AM and you need enough in your body to cover that drop because you should be sleeping at that time.  It will raise again after that.

People with high glucose, has a tendency to be eating too many carbohydrates, especially in the evening!  It is important to check and see what your glucose is doing, so you know how to cover it appropriately.

All people do not need the carbohydrate/protein snacks during the day, so check with your diabetic adviser about this. If you don't have a diabetic update yearly, you are not receiving the most important updates found.

Healthy carbohydrates are the ones low in carbohydrates, that way you are getting the nutritional needs covered at the same time as keeping your diabetes in control

Counting, and weighing and using measuring cups and measuring spoons are important, as our mental judgement of food is NOT always correct.  That 1/4 cup more may up our intake too much, especially if not several times a day.

If you eat grain, have in the evening, in the right portion, if your glucose is too low to go to bed.  I won't go to bed until it is 100 or more.  Remember if you eat 15 grams of carbohydrates 1-2 hours later it will equal 50  (15=50)and this rate is for a person of normal weight calculated on 150 lbs.  A is a chart (I'm not sure where, now) that has a list of coverage for overweight people.  Example:At 240 lbs I need 40g carbohydrates to equal 50 later.  Were each unique and need to know what our own body does with the situation. Remember 8:00 PM check glucose.
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If you have diabetics in your family assume you may someday have it also, but it has not much to do with low blood sugar.. Test for it and then forget about it.. spend your life living, not worry.  

Not sleeping can be from many reasons.. the body gets rid of whatever in its own best wisdom, most having to do with hormones.  As a 'problem', you are more likely to create one in your own mind, becoming uneasy about doing what you SHOULD do or not .. it can create a certain silent inner anxiety to keep you awake even.  

What do you eat and when, might make a big difference.  Not eating between meals is near plain dumb advice and speaks more of power, rather than maintaining balance.  It goes against all that the body is designed for (especially for low blood sugar or diabetics to be-- . ) It creates dysfunctions in the mind and body and might cause the effect of becoming preoccupied with food and living.  

At 26 there is little need to ever worry about food, other than eating few Avoids..

Certain foods can make one pee at certain times.  Take notes of what you eat for 2-4 weeks, then also note how you sleep and what other issues might be at work, like hormones/your love life and emotional peacefulness.  The answers will be in that list.  Room temperature might make a big difference.  Where you being wakened by others having needed attention, and maybe now that memory messes with your mind?  What is work like? any worries?  Can you meditate when being awake thus do your self some good rather than create worry?

The release of fluids is all hormone related and needs a look at, but most likely, all tests will show perfectly ok, and you will outgrow the issue in a few months.   As A  you are showing normal signs of certain weaknesses - the antidote is power food.  Is it worth just accepting that, eating every 3 hours, and keeping your blood sugar levels up in this healthy way is at the heart of this dieting way of living. Not eating in a deliberate way, is punishing to your body.  Eating does not mean loads but something, or have a nourishing drink.  Eating foods between can be some left over food from lunch or breakfast, no need to 'add' foods, just create more 'balance'.  This Balance Thing for A's is one you have to figure out.

Even if ever you should get diabetes, it does not mean that you stop living normal now. The diet here is all you need to eat.  At your age you are even allowed some extras .. listen to your body.  

    


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I sleep better when I eat something 30 minutes before I go to bed. Just something small and light, like a cracker. Has to be carbs, not too much protein.




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Since I'm getting more nutrients from supplementing, I don't have any reaction after eating with the palpitations or anything. It is just the weird pee smell and always getting up in the wee morning hours to urinate that is annoying.

It seems like if I eat perhaps a little more than I should, awhile later I'll urinate and get a little bit of the smell (could be like 3 hours later, varies).

My great uncle is the only diabetic in our family. I obviously have some sorta issue with metabolism since I'm fat no matter what I do, no matter how healthy I am, no matter how much I exercise.
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My great uncle is the only diabetic in our family. I obviously have some sorta issue with metabolism since I'm fat no matter what I do, no matter how healthy I am, no matter how much I exercise.


Maybe so, but maybe it is preventable..

NOW from your words.. : I eat perhaps a little more than I should,.... why do you do that?  

Find ways to satisfy the need for over eating.. having to get up when over weight only shows that your hormones can not keep up with your food intake and body metabolism..

What are you eating?  Have you tried eating only Diamond Super Beneficials and Beneficials and NO other foods?

I am not A so I have no idea, but I find that this is my only way to make me feel ok.. any other foods are punishment.  

I will PM you..



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Since I'm getting more nutrients from supplementing, I don't have any reaction after eating with the palpitations or anything. It is just the weird pee smell and always getting up in the wee morning hours to urinate that is annoying.

It seems like if I eat perhaps a little more than I should, awhile later I'll urinate and get a little bit of the smell (could be like 3 hours later, varies).

My great uncle is the only diabetic in our family. I obviously have some sorta issue with metabolism since I'm fat no matter what I do, no matter how healthy I am, no matter how much I exercise.


I wonder if it isn't the supplements you're smelling. They can have a very strong effect on urine smell and color. And certain ones can definitely affect the volume!


"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." -- Benjamin Franklin
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I get a weird smell after asparagus but it isn't sweet.  Perhaps as someone else said it is caused by a supplement, or something else you are eating/drinking and possibly your liver/kidneys are not processing well.  
If your labs for sugar test are okay, you perhaps have to play detective and see what you mgiht be consuming that could be causing this to happen.
Lin


Gluten/Casein and Yeast sensitivity.
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Quoted from Goldie
If you have diabetics in your family assume you may someday have it also, but it has not much to do with low blood sugar.. Test for it and then forget about it.. spend your life living, not worry.  



At 26 there is little need to ever worry about food, other than eating few Avoids..





Even if ever you should get diabetes, it does not mean that you stop living normal now. The diet here is all you need to eat.  At your age you are even allowed some extras .. listen to your body.  

    

Beautiful wisdom Goldie.
My take for Dos .......; get plenty of check ups, keep records, enjoy your life. I am old enough to be your grandma Dos, and still having a ball, with diabetes totally under control and barely thought about these days because the diet & exercise takes care of it completely.If in doubt, find a Dadamo naturopath.




Eating half and exercising double.
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Thought this interesting in terms of its 'regulation' potential ...

Quoted from American Diabetes Association | http://professional.diabetes.org/
Glass of Red Wine a Day 'Treats Diabetes by Helping Body Regulate Blood Sugar Levels'

A small, daily glass of red wine could help control adult diabetes, scientists claim. Red wine, according to a new study, contains high concentrations of polyphenols that help the body regulate blood sugar. The study, reported in the Royal Society of Chemistry Journal Food & Function, did not look at the effects of wine on people, but the authors believe that moderate drinking as part of a controlled diet could protect against type 2 diabetes. Past studies have shown that natural polyphenols, found in grape skins and wine, can help the body control glucose levels. The new study, conducted by a team from the University of Natural Resources and Applied Life Sciences, Vienna, compared the polyphenol content of 12 different wine varieties and higher polyphenol levels in red wines. The investigators then looked at how polyphenols interact with cells in the human body, focusing on the receptor PPAR-gamma, which is involved in the development of fat cells, energy storage, and the regulation of blood sugar. The polyphenols in wine were found to bind to this receptor. Prof. Alois Jungbauer said, "Moderate is the equivalent of a small glass each day for women, and two for men. Our big problem is to convey the message of a healthy lifestyle because too much wine will cause diabetes and obesity."



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What are your fat options as per genotype, SWAMI etc- fat is great for helping to reduce blood sugar.
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I'm 'suffering' from the same problem. I guess because you're a different genotype/person my own personal strategies may not work or be suited to you; but believe me I feel your pain !


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- fat is great for helping to reduce blood sugar.


I think there may be a genotype connection here also - I'm not diabetic but do check my fasting blood glucose sometimes just to check how diet is affecting me.
Fat, oils and protein most definitely affect this more than carbs seem to.
The liver is all important re pre-diabetes IMO anyway.
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I'm 'suffering' from the same problem. I guess because you're a different genotype/person my own personal strategies may not work or be suited to you; but believe me I feel your pain !


What is your bloodtype? I've found some stuff that helps.

For me I think it mostly comes from not digesting food properly.

What are your strategies?

I find carbohydrates are like what affect me. Protein, fats, and oils only make me feel better. (I can't absorb enough of them)
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I don't see what it would matter if I got tested? I'd just have to watch what I eat, like I do.

Besides they always check that and say I'm fine.

My blood sugar is often too high or too low, at bed time. So it seems anyway.


You suspect but haven't confirmed this?  I have the same problem so let me know if u find out something.  I eat mostly compliant foods myself & my sleep patterns have been horrible since I reached a certain age. I had no idea younger people experience it & now I'm wondering if maybe this is NOT age related.
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You suspect but haven't confirmed this?  I have the same problem so let me know if u find out something.  I eat mostly compliant foods myself & my sleep patterns have been horrible since I reached a certain age. I had no idea younger people experience it & now I'm wondering if maybe this is NOT age related.


Do you exercise? I don't know a Gatherer alive that has problems with blood sugar that avoids wheat and exercises them self very intensely.
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I don't have blood sugar problems according to my blood tests, am very active love sports, biking, body boarding, have to walk 2 active dogs daily.  Wouldn't call it intensely but people comment I'm in great shape. I also avoid wheat like the plague so who knows.....
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Hm I don't know... perhaps a blood level check would be advisable. You might suffer from one of the anemias or something.
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What type of fats do you digest/absorb well ? Coconut oil ? I hear its great for BTA's ! I have to avoid it but find that I do well with polyunsaturated fats like grapeseed oil.


For me, personally, in order to have a semi-refreshing and relatively undisturbed I need to ensure that:


-Eaten enough protein at dinner time (+ low GI carbohydrates / fats / fiber/salt). Keeping well fueled overnight is really a big issue for me.

-Have a small amount of chromium before bed; i.e. 1/2 a multi vitamin

-I go to the bathroom right before going to sleep - kind of obvious but If I occasionally forget to I often regret it halfway into the night

-In winter (OK, all year round unless its really really hot) I wear socks to sleep, basically because I used to as a child and also because I recall my mom saying 'if my feet are cold I have to go to the bathroom more' (she was referring to our tiles in the house / cold feet.

-Oh and I always take HCL/betaine/gentian with meals so I can digest whatever I eat. I have very low stomach acid so I supplement with extra nutrients to make sure that I'm covered.

- I should mention that I'm on medications to stop me loosing too much liquids, as I was loosing 6 - 7 quarts per day. I'm not diabetic or BIG or anything at all; just in case anyone was wondering.


Anyway, those things tend to work for me, but I'm still getting up about once per night, which over time really makes me fatigued during the day. I hope these suggestions help you in some way ! xx  


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