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Amazone I.
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hi peeps,

I'm thaaat curieuse and excited...I decided ad hoc to end the horror of not being taken serious coz of my health challenges in not being able to support any allopathic meds and the doubtful faces of *whitecoated* telling me that I seem to be a liar and simulant   .....
so far so well the 26.04.2012 I'll get all tests done which will proof that Dr.D. is right while mentioning the 6 genotypes and their profiles.
Even when I tried to make me understood why I can't have painkillers or similarities and dito for anaesthetica, they made me believe that I'm nuts...
I always showed them my recommendation lists (avoids especially) and also the description of us- the explomads ...now yippie...all this will be snow of yesterday and I can be more certain and calm  for the end of my life   ..... coz I was sooo tired of all those battles and frustrations
of not being taken seriously...... ...
it's not cheap at all but better to have those proofs  for the next verbal combat
with allopathic docs .....and this enables me to choose my own treatments
in nathuropathic ways ....


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all you can get onto the market .... from foodintolerance to meds to...whatever... I told da lady I wanna do the biiig bang of all genchecks possible


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Sounds exciting  

speaking of anesthesia and exploreres...I was once given laughing gas at the dentist.  At one point the dentist left the room, and I was so loopy, I got up and snuck away; a hygienist found my wandering the halls.  Then after I left I went from laughing hysterically to sobbing uncontrollably and then got so nauseous I couldn't stand up.  That was just laughing gas   It took me days to get over the anesthesia from a colonoscopy

Be sure to tell us when you get the test results - I'm excited to hear


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A dentist talked me into the gas deal when I was about 18 and it was AWFUL! Thankfully, it didn't take long for me to recover. Never again have I had any of that, though! What REALLY bothers me is epinephrine.     So they have to give me Novocain without it if I ever need it. Which is very, very seldom.


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ladies next time you've to visit a dentist ask please for noradrenaline and adrenaline free injections...there are some older recipes and they work phantastically but ok we need more of that stuff coz it doesn't held on as the others... my last dental op last year was done with ...ahem... ouch... ..yikes I've forgotten sorry  ...oum...what was its name... ooouuummmm...hmmmmm.....lidocain....enfin...I apologize... lodocain and scandicain are old tools but they work super while being used for local anaesthesia .... without any sideeffects nor pains after.....


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ladies next time you've to visit a dentist ask please for noradrenaline and adrenaline free injections...there are some older recipes and they work phantastically but ok we need more of that stuff coz it doesn't held on as the others... my last dental op last year was done with ...ahem... ouch... ..yikes I've forgotten sorry  ...oum...what was its name... ooouuummmm...hmmmmm.....lidocain....enfin...I apologize... lodocain and scandicain are old tools but they work super while being used for local anaesthesia .... without any sideeffects nor pains after.....


I can't do lidocain...they have a red flag on my chart. It made my heart and whole nervous system shake and rev up. I thought that I was going to bust open and fly off somewhere. Called my naturopath who had me take massive doses of calcium-magnesium. My Explorer A friend had the exact same thing happen, same dentist, same help from naturopath.

Are you doing this for medication or food as well? If so, with the food, do you have to eat things that you would not normally to have it in your system?  
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Dianne, I am astonished... both products are the only form of anaesthetica I can support...all the rest   might it be that there was a sort of mingeling and some noradrenalin at least   ... if so I'd understood your reactions....


and would you please explain your last question I don't understand it well the true meanings... thank you in advance


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Dianne, I am astonished... both products are the only form of anaesthetica I can support...all the rest   might it be that there was a sort of mingeling and some noradrenalin at least   ... if so I'd understood your reactions....


and would you please explain your last question I don't understand it well the true meanings... thank you in advance


Isa, is this to test medicaments only or are you testing foods as well? Do you have to ingest medicaments to do this; how is this test performed?
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ahha... as I mentioned it, I'm going for the whole program.... meds, foods
descendency/Heritage, and of course health challanges like prob. diseases  etc... and the test is done by taking DNA of the bucale mucosa. I thought it was forbidden here in Switzerland (coz only if ther's any criminal things  happening, police was allowed to take this tests) but now it seems they are free for use....
I'm a bit afraid to get to know about the diseases... but if so honestly better to know and go for preventions ....


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better even here is the older one called scandicain for local anaesthesia..
you need something to take out teeth .... we are strong..but not thaaat strong at all ....


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today I spoke with an ARh+ male in our Ticinese area and he told me that he got back his test from saliva-blood and '?) whatever... ok now he told me that in the salivatest he's recognized as a non-secretor but Lewis bloodtest he's an A-B+ = secretor....  ..... and of MM-type genetical-make-up.
Ok now how it comes that the saliva test might be that inaccurate Does it means that normally all of our  nonnies should obligatory do the Lewis-test to be sure that this parameter is correctly done or better said can be held for veridique

That confused me... but ok I'm soon going for the tests and can tell you more about this experience.

When I do test people onto nutritional intolerances with my bioresonance tester... I always get the same results......how it comes that it differs between salivatest and bloodtest!!!


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and I ordered justamente  a test to see where my ancestors came from... this can be found here:

http://www.familytreedna.com

hmmmm I'm very curieuse what will show up as results...


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today I spoke with an ARh+ male in our Ticinese area and he told me that he got back his test from saliva-blood and '?) whatever... ok now he told me that in the salivatest he's recognized as a non-secretor but Lewis bloodtest he's an A-B+ = secretor....  ..... and of MM-type genetical-make-up.
Ok now how it comes that the saliva test might be that inaccurate Does it means that normally all of our  nonnies should obligatory do the Lewis-test to be sure that this parameter is correctly done or better said can be held for veridique

That confused me... but ok I'm soon going for the tests and can tell you more about this experience.

When I do test people onto nutritional intolerances with my bioresonance tester... I always get the same results......how it comes that it differs between salivatest and bloodtest!!!


Isa, have you done the Lewis test yourself?  I stated in an earlier post that my saliva test and Lewis test both show nonnie, so not all are inaccurate, but I, too, would be concerned if everyone keeps coming up as a nonnie.  Good luck pursuing this.


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Patty, this is the thema... I'm going to control it... but my fear here in reality is:

that we can't trust spit or other bucal tests coz it might be that errors occur   ......

with all my signs it is clarrooo that I am a nonnie, tried AB-secretor diet before and got fat instantly coz of too much of grains etc ok I think I'm concerned and re-connected with my old thema : fear.... not being sure of something the need to understand first; the need to clarify...the need to be sure that I can be sure that ... a bit compulsive at my view... and at the end I've to remark: all about certain belief-systems and the way to come along with any system... ....
indeed to trust somebody- someone- something ... isn't that easy anymore for me....


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Good luck, Isa.   I'm very interested in hearing about what you find out!
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ladies next time you've to visit a dentist ask please for noradrenaline and adrenaline free injections...there are some older recipes and they work phantastically but ok we need more of that stuff coz it doesn't held on as the others...

Novacaine alone doesn't bother me at all. But the epinephrine is AWFUL!! However, Novacaine alone doesn't deliver as lasting effect as it does with the two together, so I have occasionally had to have another small shot of Novacaine for them to finish the job. That has been a LONG time ago, though. The last filling was very small, and I didn't need anything. I can't even remember the filling before that one! Years and years ago.



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Novocaine is fine too ...


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little update of todays...

have had to cancel my kit in *family tree*... coz of the lack of further trust... no delivery since...nada and thus I was upset.... ...can't stand such a behaviour...so far so well another approach and try with a european firm perhaps or National Geograpy who provides also such screenings... but first I'm going to inform myselve about european firms ....

all in all a bit very disappointing...


I justamente realized your reply C_sharp...so sorry didn't got it earlier but will do as you mentioned.... and give a try to NG ... perhaps less of disappointments here to expect...


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arrghhh justamente found this here in Zürich...

http://www.igenea.com


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Dear companeras & companeros ....

today was the experience day for me... as I told you.. I made a gen screen- but hélas... not all went well with an american firm...I was obliged to cancel coz the time was justamente too long and I payed but nothing was delivered.. so far ...

Ok so I passed my first test about medications with a beautiful and kind dottoressa....
and today she explained what it was all about........

first... it seems I am an alien.... ... coz in contrary of an explomade... I am
an *extensive metabolizer*...... a responder...and it seems my genotype is associated with healthy  and advantageous aspects !!! wow.... I expected the complete oposite due to the thema of *explorerdom*....

Next: a pity here is and was.. I guess they don't have true lists to come along with similar testings for allopathic meds... so far there are test result about meds. I never took nor will take.. but hélas also here the needed things like normal painkillers and anaethetica...weren't tested....

So my genotype is or G/G..whatever this will mean..and*combination*  

Med-compatibilities were tested onto the following CYP's:

VKORC1,CYP2D6,CYP2C9 and CYP2C19 and then there are a lot of dif. rsNCBI's....polymorphisme genotypes....

a lot of so called inductors and inhibitors are mentioned as well but then last sentence is mentioned: vague..vague..super vague...

the intake of standart dosage of those tested medication can be evaluated as ok... but can be also vary coz of ethnic descendency... ... something written but nothing said of validity........EM is defined coz of the lack of analyzed PM allele- warning: other carrier of non-analyzed variants is not excluded!!!

So what... who's who and why and ....is there anybody who might be willing to enlight me a little bit please

Thank you in advance and hey... another real big test : all about my womenhood will follow soon...ok perhaps here might be more in to detect... something perhaps interesting ...

Resumé>:  I don't believe the results...!!!  WHY.....

coz I made the complete other experience while taking any kind of allopathic medication.. and ok I'm not willing to be guineapig for those... and I'm not interested to come along with any toxic stuffs.... sorry this is nothing for me.... btw the test was about 500,-- Swiss Francs... incl. la dottoressa  

Now you might ask why then did I passed this test... yup you are right I am very curieuse and must say... those tests aren't really compatible to other tests. Another new system is built up...bravo..fine... but sorry if I want to treat a sick patient..he/she isn't interested in knowing what's about his/her gene-status... nor often won't they take any notice from preventive medicine...
coz of lack of time and interest... when a patient comes to me..he/she want's to know what's about their health issues... in the now and yet... this is what I can offer also in the pré-clinical standarts... fine ...

                  
                                                                    


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So my genotype is or G/G..whatever this will mean..and*combination*


G = Guanine

Since you have G/G you have a Guanine on both copies of the chromosome at a specific position.


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yup so it is and thank you for your kind reply C_sharp... but there are a lot more genotypes on those results...but I didn't understood how it was meant: and combination ... ...all is held that vaguement and for me the most intriguing is, they try to make me believe that I can have allopathic medication in normal amounts but my own experiences showed me... this is literally not possible....

so far I feared that this test is as questionable, as other so called parameters might be;.....perhaps do I have to choose or better said staying with my own systems
and not mixing them with others But ok I was that curieuse and now feel trapped into my own coz what is right or wrong right now and what can I trust ...


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My Genomic testing supplied with a million different values for various SNPs.

There are many different ways to analyze this data, but looking at random values on the genome and finding a value at some point of G/G is not usually productive, unless you had a particular reason to look there first.

I recommend using a computer program to do the analysis for you.

I use Promethease since it is easy and quick.

http://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Promethease

But depending on your goals you may want to use some other program.

Nearly anyone you pay for testing will supply some analysis of their results.


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thank you dearest C_sharp for your kind explanations and help


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ok..ok now it's all much clearer

those tests aren't worth in reallity their money- I payed about 500 and then 800,-- swiss francs for nothing... coz the disclaimer is found on every sheet:  it all can be completely different coz of not having tested all genes !!! And out of claiming issues they are !!! ...even la dottoressa told me... all is too early and they just test genes à l'improviste and nothing is really sure... great
why did I passed those tests then ... To please my curieusity and wanting to be able for comparisons with other modalities..yup...

This is, as expected- nothing but another system built up and sorry...all about fragmental thoughts and views !!!

I wanted to know also about intolerances etc... in one sheet they claim to come along with mediteranian diet (what I do since my earliest childhood coz I grew up overthere ) but then recommend nutritional stuffs in a very contradictory way.....

Here lr4yt is my guide and I'm best suited with it .....


then I passed another test which showed up what is on  this very moment and I was more then stonished what kind of results popped in ....

I was sure to be on perfect health but it seems no... ok so far very little incommodies with foodintake to see- but then I've to come along with anti-bacterial-fungal-and viral protocols...as all of us shoud do and get tested !!! Coz those are the true creators of sickness à la longe especially fungii

ok..ok..I'm on my track to be brave and follow the protocols ...thanx Peter again and the orthomolecular medicine  


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I think one of my best ideas in the last few months was to listen to a friend of mine in Ticino who recommended me this book:

Progress in Molecular Biology and translational science   Vol 108

recent advances in nutrigenetics and nutrigenomics

from C.Bouchard and J. Ordovas


                                  




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Sounds exciting  

speaking of anesthesia and exploreres...I was once given laughing gas at the dentist.  At one point the dentist left the room, and I was so loopy, I got up and snuck away; a hygienist found my wandering the halls.  Then after I left I went from laughing hysterically to sobbing uncontrollably and then got so nauseous I couldn't stand up.  That was just laughing gas   It took me days to get over the anesthesia from a colonoscopy

Be sure to tell us when you get the test results - I'm excited to hear


This made me laugh!!!  The dentist story.  I almost had them do it once to me but within the first minute of it I was like, forget that news, take it off.  It just made me super lightheaded and all wrong.  

When I went to mayo clinic two years ago, I had my Detoxigenomic test with me and showed them my polymorphisms in my detox system.  They knew what CYP3A4 was down there.  Plus the other stuff.  So they gave me an IV of some "milder stuff" that wore off a lot quicker for my endoscopy/colonoscopy.

But man was I thankful for having that info.  Because I'm sure if they gave me the normal stuff, I would have been a lot longer getting out of the funk.  

I hope you get the answers you're looking for Amazone.  And I hope you feel better soon!!!!!


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Isa, I might be able to shed some light.  Does your test show polymorphism's in your Cythochrome system?  Did they test Glutathione?, SOD?, there are a couple of other detox systems enzymes.

I would say if you have some polymorphisms in your CYP stuff, you lean towards explorer, although I'm sure all of us are not perfect.  Did you have any that said "ABSENT"?  My glutathione S transferase in my liver and kidneys said that.  But not in brain or lungs, I think it is.  

I can pull my old test out and look at all the different listings.  And if you tell me which ones had discrepancies, I can maybe help you with what it means.  But yeah, my test had all the drugs at the end of it with inhibitor/inducer on it too.  I have a lot of stuff that I should stay away from.  .  Explorer/Nomad.  No doubt.  And I'm a secretor.

But what's this about not trusting your secretor status.  I'm sure you're fine.  Don't worry, I would imagine it's all good and you've done your best to know your status.  Can't make everything perfect.  And even trusting your intuition.  I thought I was a nonnie for sure with my problems, but lyme disease explains it.  If you feel that you're a nonnie and the tests showed it, just trust it.  Why do we need to second guess that?  


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From what I can tell, you know more than I do though.  Sounds like you're all good.  I don't understand the "pass" thing.  My tests just showed the areas where my detox system didn't work well.  Had nothing to do with pass or fail.  I FAIL if I take too many drugs.  It's just that simple.  Hehehhe


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JJR I passed the whole genograms and expressis verbis to look for compatibilities  with detox systems... but even here they try to make me believe that I can have allopathic meds... which justamente isn't true at all.. I know about my reactions and hey.... I justamente love the *disclaimer* they always implement- so far no doubt... no problems popping in about formaljuristic claims !!!
This is the most disappointing issue in the whole procedure... they can cheat us legally !!!


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Interesting.  My tests just showed the polymorphisms and what ones are not optimal.  And the inducer/inhibitor lists.  It never said if I pass or fail as far as taking meds.  Unless I just don't remember it.  I know the consensus was that many drugs are just not good for me.  And to minimize them.  And I was already realizing this with how I was affected by them.  

I do have to interject something though.  I think we need to be careful about how our minds take in this information.  I'm getting better, but having the info has made me very skiddish in the environments I'm in and I have to be real careful not to "stress" about an imperfectly clean environment.  And stressing about it doesn't help it.  Having said that, I can tell that I don't like walking into buildings that smell like gas, or chemicals.  And I try to minimize my exposure.  The place I bought my Garden Tractor at just wreaks with gas and rubber and who knows what else as soon as you walk in.  I don't know how the guys working there don't walk around lightheaded all day long.  So I try to avoid going in there.  Some stores have a pretty stiff smell too.  Like lowes and Home Depot.  And I'll go in those places now, but I don't hang out too long.  But I am learning to at least go there, and not freak, and just let the affects pass.  

Anyways.... I'm rambling.  

As far as eating goes, I try to stay pretty pure with my foods, but there's no I can do that 100%.  I won't say it's impossible, but I don't have the time, energy, finances and space to grow everything I eat.  


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