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TJ
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Last Wednesday I got in to see a Dr. Hugo Rodier, an MD who practices integrative medicine in the Salt Lake City area. http://hugorodier.com/

I'll just paste in what I already wrote over on the Lyme disease thread on that day:

The doctor believes my biggest problem is SIBO, and because of that my digestive system is damaged and I can't get the nutrition I need.  I think this is a good place to start.  I mentioned Lyme disease, and he was a bit hesitant about that, basically saying that the treatment for Lyme is antibiotics, and that's the last thing I need with my gut like it is.  He has advised me to take some huge doses of probiotics, along with Myer's cocktail injections, a powdered fiber and protein supplement called Constant Health, and several others.  He has ordered testing for Lyme disease, Celiac disease, vitamin D, ferritin, hemoglobin, and homocysteine.  I gather that, if I have Lyme disease, he wants to treat it by getting my gut and immune system healthy.

My church is paying for my treatment because  I can't afford to and because I am not likely to be able to afford to until after I'm well. After settling those financial arrangements on Thursday, I went back to the doctor's office on Friday to buy the Constant Health supplement powder, to give specimens for the lab work he ordered, and to get the nutritional injections recommended.  I got the Myer's cocktail IV, glutathione IV, B6, and B12 injections.  Let me recommend these to you!  Compared to my recent usuals, I definitely felt more energetic and alert yesterday, and I even felt pretty good today in spite of pushing myself a little too hard yesterday.  My appetite, which has diminished over the past month or so, has returned, and my mind is working more clearly.

I believe I've found a winner, and I have hope that by year's end I will be living the full, healthy life I've been working toward for the past 4 1/2 years.



Ps: You may find this earlier thread an interesting "prequel" - or not!  http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-encloplib/m-1327692871/
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So happy for you TJ. Light at the end of the tunnel it seems.  
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Great news, TJ...  Wishing you the best of good health...


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This makes me feel so happy, TJ! I know you have felt so alone in this struggle at times. When you began this last great push weeks ago, I just felt that something was going to open up for you!


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That's wonderful, TJ!  



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Thank you all for you well wishes and support.  I hope to update this thread throughout the process.
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ooh wow half of mine... I'm so happy for those infos... congrats dearle...congrats  


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Fantastic news TJ!!!
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Did he test you for SIBO?


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That's great, TJ.    Good health in mind/body/spirit to you.
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The best use for church money yet.. thank them for all who would agree..

as for you.. seems you are getting what you need.. I am happy for every bit of help one can get.. a good doctor is worth its weight in gold.. I hope yours is.. get well soon..  


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TJ, I visited his website, and the newsletters are pretty interesting reads!  I am happy  you found someone close by to help you get healthy!  Just wondering is he french?  Keep us posted on how you do.
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I'm so happy for you! I'm glad you found funding for the treatment, and that you didn't let your pride interfere with accepting the help. Sometimes I wonder if God gives us these trials just to "open us up" to receiving help from others.


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TJ,
Sounds like you have taken some really good steps, Doctor sounds great.  
I'm also interested if he diagnosed the SIBO based on symptoms or a test?
Lin


Gluten/Casein and Yeast sensitivity.
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SAWEEEEET!!  Hope is always a good thing.  And having help and someone who knows what they're doing!!!


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You all may be acquainted with my probiotic troubles.  The last time around trying them, they gave me a lot of malaise and inflammation, even taking a single capsule per day.  I'm taking two capsules twice daily at the same time I drink the Constant Health shake, and so far I seem to be tolerating it well.

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Did he test you for SIBO?
He didn't have a breath hydrogen test done.  He's just going off symptoms.  The treatment approach for SIBO is pretty harmless if you don't have it, so I'm comfortable going forward without testing.  If it doesn't cure me, we can consider other problems.

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TJ, I visited his website, and the newsletters are pretty interesting reads!  I am happy  you found someone close by to help you get healthy!  Just wondering is he french?  Keep us posted on how you do.
I wonder, too.  He has a very slight accent.  Maybe he was born in France or Quebec.  His name is pronounced Roe-dee-ay.

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I'm so happy for you! I'm glad you found funding for the treatment, and that you didn't let your pride interfere with accepting the help. Sometimes I wonder if God gives us these trials just to "open us up" to receiving help from others.
Yes, I think he does.  I wish I had humbled myself sooner.  But better late than never!
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TJ,
I looked again at the Doctor's website, and I love the fact he does not sell supplements to make money.  I think that is a good sign as  most who embrace the holistic side do sell supplements and it always makes me worry they might push more than you need.
I am interested in knowing more about the Constant Health Powder drink, I googled and found on called Constant Health Rice Protein Formula, is that it?
Sounds like a good supplement if this is the one.
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TJ,
I looked again at the Doctor's website, and I love the fact he does not sell supplements to make money.  I think that is a good sign as  most who embrace the holistic side do sell supplements and it always makes me worry they might push more than you need.
I am interested in knowing more about the Constant Health Powder drink, I googled and found on called Constant Health Rice Protein Formula, is that it?
Sounds like a good supplement if this is the one.
Lin
Yes, that's the one.  My body really likes it.
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TJ. I found your product online, Constant Health Rice Protein and although I read the reviews and
saw the list of ingredients, I cannot figure out why a reviewer said it was too sweet. It's stevia
and xylitol.  I can't really figure out what makes up the caloric content of this product. What
would give it 20 grams of fat?  I don't see any fatty acids listed unless I missed something.

http://store.ourhealthcoop.com/product_p/chv2.htm

I'm glad it's working for you....I use Sun Warrior Rice protein.  It's raw and sprouted.
http://www.sunwarrior.com/products/sunwarrior-protein

Your doctor looks great....hope you start to feel really well!


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TJ, congrats & best of luck on your journey.  Keep us posted of your progress.  


Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again!
Goal weight acheived!!  Woo Hoo!!!!
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Glad you are getting help, TJ!



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Sometimes it takes awhile for us to understand that we can not figure it out ourselves that we need direction and help from the right people.

  


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Today, it's pretty clear that the shots have finally worn off.  
But I get them again on Thursday!

Quoted from Chloe
TJ. I found your product online, Constant Health Rice Protein and although I read the reviews and saw the list of ingredients, I cannot figure out why a reviewer said it was too sweet.
Because it is too sweet.  That's my only complaint so far.

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I can't really figure out what makes up the caloric content of this product. What would give it 20 grams of fat?  I don't see any fatty acids listed unless I missed something.
I think you misread the label.  It has 2.5 g total fat, 20 g protein.
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It's also pretty clear that the probiotics are still problematic for me at this point: good for my digestive system, but bad for everything else.  Oh, the inflammation!  I hope the doctor has some satisfactory answers to this problem when I see him tomorrow.
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Quoted from TJ
It's also pretty clear that the probiotics are still problematic for me at this point: good for my digestive system, but bad for everything else.  Oh, the inflammation!  I hope the doctor has some satisfactory answers to this problem when I see him tomorrow.

Sometimes, you have to deal with some discomfort to get off of a plateau...  

I'm not saying this is true in your case, but it has been in mine.  It seems like every time I feel really good, I have plateaued in the healing.  Once I find another "helper", I go back to healing and the nerves, etc. go wild again - but I feel progress toward the goal.  It is good that I can feel and see the progress, so I know I am continuing on in the right direction, even though it is painful.

I am almost certain this is the case whenever there is nerve damage involved...  Nerves don't heal without activity, which usually means pain, tingling, or other unpleasantness.


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Have him test you for heavy metals.
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Joe, I hope that's all it is.  I'm having some odd aches inside my ribcage, and that flu-like brain fog, fatigue, muscle weakness, sensitivity all over like I've had before.  I'm afraid that the bacteria may be getting through into my blood, but I don't even know if that's possible.
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Ugh, it is possible.  Writing the last post prompted a Google search.  I followed the bread crumb trail to find this search:

bacterial translocation from the gastrointestinal tract

If these bacteria are crossing my intestinal lining, it could be liver inflammation I'm feeling.  Having live probiotic bacteria circulating in my blood is likely to provoke an immune system response.
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Another method FYI is SANUM remedies. Please ask your doctor about it.

I was prescribed Utilin, containing Bacillus subtilis. The dosage is very small, and it's not expensive at all. Most supportive for inflammation condition.


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TJ, I don't know if you did this or not, but I always take less than what they tell me too.  My body just gets crazy with inflammation when killing stuff.  If you have SIBO, that means too much bad guys in your gut.  As soon as you introduce the good guys, there's a war.  And the bad guys don't like to go down easy.  That's why it's called "die off".  That's all it is.  I wouldn't try to overthink it.  It makes you feel horrible, and it causes inflammation.  I always get anxious when it happens, so I know what you're going through.  And I have to admit, I've taken an hiatus from all that and am focusing on eating and gaining weight.   So I talk big now.  If I was in the middle of a good die off session, I'd be freakin.  So...  

All I'm trying to do is give you some perspective if I can.  What you're experiencing is more than likely very normal.  I wouldn't try and overthink the aches and pains.  Your system is filtering out junk.  Your liver will probably hurt.  And your spleen, and your kidneys, and your lymphs.  Your heart your head, and your emotions.  Heck, I've felt at times that every cell in my body was on fire.  

I would cut back or stop for now though if it's causing a lot of discomfort.  You can only do so much at once.  Just take it easy and try and get the inflammation down with rest, pineapple, lots of water, or whatever else you know that works for you.  Then you'll have to rinse and repeat probably.


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Another method FYI is SANUM remedies. Please ask your doctor about it.

I was prescribed Utilin, containing Bacillus subtilis. The dosage is very small, and it's not expensive at all. Most supportive for inflammation condition.


This is gross but I figured I'd throw it out there.  About 3 years or a little more ago, I was seeing an ND and he helped me quite a bit.  He used some of these things.  I specifically remember one called "Pleo Not".  I remember it very well because it goes in your butthole at night.  AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!  But I remember it making me feel so much better.  I guess it was helping me dump toxins or whatever.  It definitely helped calm my system down.  But it was an experience to remember.

I don't necessarily think that diet listed in that info is good for any long period of time.  And it looks more like a recipe for an A.  Not a B or O.


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That is so great, I hope you get well.
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This blog post says cold thermogenesis helps Lyme's disease:
http://www.lovingourguts.com/cold-thermogenesis-challenge-starts-today/
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Jeepers TJ, hope you feel better/get better with that die off stuff going on?! Great support/info there JJR!
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This is gross but I figured I'd throw it out there.
Do you mean a lot of gas?



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Do you mean a lot of gas?


I think he was talking about his description of the suppository...


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I think he was talking about his description of the suppository...
Oh! I see. Thanks.

It comes in capsules as well.





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I was thinking I should've used the proper terminology like Joe did, but I couldn't remember if that was the right word for it.  And my practitioner called it something funny also and it didn't offend me.  I'm sorry if it offended anyone.  Any ways.....  they helped a great deal though and it helped me through a particularly bad time.  It seemed like it gave me a huge shift in healing at the time.  


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...It seemed like it gave me a huge shift in healing at the time.  
Misread one of those words for a moment

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you sound better already?!.. all the best..   


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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they helped a great deal though and it helped me through a particularly bad time.  It seemed like it gave me a huge shift in healing at the time.  

With this specific remedy, it makes me wonder how such a small dosage - about 1 capsule per week - can make such a great difference. A few moments after I'd taken it even for the first time I suddenly felt a great relief, as if new powers streamed in, and that of course made me cheerful and optimistic. As if the body "smells" what is taken in, like it smells good nourishing food before it is eaten, and reacts immediately even before the remedy has done anything.  




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With this specific remedy, it makes me wonder how such a small dosage - about 1 capsule per week - can make such a great difference. A few moments after I'd taken it even for the first time I suddenly felt a great relief, as if new powers streamed in, and that of course made me cheerful and optimistic. As if the body "smells" what is taken in, like it smells good nourishing food before it is eaten, and reacts immediately even before the remedy has done anything.

The body can sometimes sense the energy of the substance just holding it in your hand.  Sometimes this is enough to provide a "lift" or "decline", depending on whether the substance is good or bad for you.


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I thought I was going nuts the first few days I took probiotics decades ago. But I was determined that I was going to "sweat it out" or die trying. An A-type on an O-type diet along with the probiotics made me feel like I had a double dose of the flu.  


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The body can sometimes sense the energy of the substance just holding it in your hand.  Sometimes this is enough to provide a "lift" or "decline", depending on whether the substance is good or bad for you.
True and fantastic makes me so grateful



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Another method FYI is SANUM remedies. Please ask your doctor about it.

I was prescribed Utilin, containing Bacillus subtilis. The dosage is very small, and it's not expensive at all. Most supportive for inflammation condition.
Anyway, I repeat this, because this is so special, may be innovative.

Would be a great shame to miss it by mistake as it were.

I guess Bacillus subtilis is a friendly bacteria.



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Ugh, it is possible.  Writing the last post prompted a Google search.  I followed the bread crumb trail to find this search:

bacterial translocation from the gastrointestinal tract

If these bacteria are crossing my intestinal lining, it could be liver inflammation I'm feeling.  Having live probiotic bacteria circulating in my blood is likely to provoke an immune system response.
I did some more detailed research later, and to my relief, it turns out the bacteria used in probiotic supplements helps to inhibit this phenomenon.  The yeast S. cerevisiae used in Polyflora-B has also been found to have this property.

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Another method FYI is SANUM remedies. Please ask your doctor about it.

I was prescribed Utilin, containing Bacillus subtilis. The dosage is very small, and it's not expensive at all. Most supportive for inflammation condition.
I didn't see your post until today, after seeing my doctor already.  I appreciate the information, but I haven't had a chance to read it yet.  That is a big document.  I don't think I have the mental stamina to trudge through it.  If you could give me the reader's digest version that would be very nice.

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TJ, I don't know if you did this or not, but I always take less than what they tell me too.  My body just gets crazy with inflammation when killing stuff.  If you have SIBO, that means too much bad guys in your gut.  As soon as you introduce the good guys, there's a war.  And the bad guys don't like to go down easy.  That's why it's called "die off".  That's all it is.  I wouldn't try to overthink it.  It makes you feel horrible, and it causes inflammation.  I always get anxious when it happens, so I know what you're going through.  And I have to admit, I've taken an hiatus from all that and am focusing on eating and gaining weight.   So I talk big now.  If I was in the middle of a good die off session, I'd be freakin.  So...  

All I'm trying to do is give you some perspective if I can.  What you're experiencing is more than likely very normal.  I wouldn't try and overthink the aches and pains.  Your system is filtering out junk.  Your liver will probably hurt.  And your spleen, and your kidneys, and your lymphs.  Your heart your head, and your emotions.  Heck, I've felt at times that every cell in my body was on fire.  

I would cut back or stop for now though if it's causing a lot of discomfort.  You can only do so much at once.  Just take it easy and try and get the inflammation down with rest, pineapple, lots of water, or whatever else you know that works for you.  Then you'll have to rinse and repeat probably.
You are absolutely right.  It's easy to jump to the worst conclusion in the midst of a crisis, and I think that's just what happened.  I haven't taken the recommended dose at all because I knew how this stuff affects me.  I'm only taking one or two capsules with each Constant Health drink, which I've divided up into 3-4 servings per day instead of two.  It's bad enough with just this small dose.  I hate to think how miserable I'd be taking 10 per day.

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This blog post says cold thermogenesis helps Lyme's disease:
http://www.lovingourguts.com/cold-thermogenesis-challenge-starts-today/
I'm not focusing on the Lyme aspect right now.  I think I need to focus on healing up my digestive system more than anything, and after I'm confident that it's gotten to where it should be, if I'm still having those problems I'll look into Lyme disease treatment more.

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Do you mean a lot of gas?
I don't think he meant that, but I sure have had a lot of it since starting.  I think it's a good (but very smelly) sign that things are happening down there.

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I've only had one really good BM since my first visit (and it was impressive) , but the doctor took that as a good sign that things are starting to go in the right direction.  He said that if I can't make substantial improvements that it may be necessary to try some antibiotics to clear out the bad bacteria that have overgrown.  He and I both would rather that not be necessary, but it's an option.

I ordered some Polyflora-B on Thursday just before taking off to see the doctor.  It was on sale so I ordered two bottles.  I also ordered a bottle of Intrinsa.  Several of you have recommended it so I'm giving it a shot.

Dr. Rodier holds a free class every Thursday as an introduction to new patients.  It was enlightening.  This guy really gets it about how important food is for proper healing.  He said we should eat 13 servings of fruits and veggies per day.  I don't think I can eat such a volume of food in a day without getting sick, but it has spurred me to try increasing my vegetable servings.  He talking about how everything in the universe is energy or information, including food, and how there's a lot more to food than just calories, i.e. the information that the food gives your body.  He talked some about nutrigenetics and nutrigenomics.  He described disease as being caused by your cells' TOIL-ing: Toxicity, Oxidative stress, Inflammation, and Less-than-optimal mitochondrial function.  He said that TOIL-ing causes our cell membranes and the connections between cells to be more permeable, causing such conditions as leaky gut.  He said that if you have a leaky gut, that you also have leaky arteries, and that is where cardiovascular disease starts.  Following that, he said that high cholesterol was just the body's efforts to patch up leaky arteries, and the high cholesterol was an effect of cardiovascular disease, not a cause.  He even talked about the need to change the politics of the food industry so our society could be healthier (i.e. stop subsidizing grain production).  He is not a big fan of grains, but he doesn't totally condemn their use either.  There was a lot of information to take in so he sent us all home with a notebook.

Again I was reassured that I am in good hands.

Here is his book:
Licking Sweet Death: Energy and Information to Stop Sugarcoating Your Addiction to Processed Foods
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TJ,  thanks for the update!  Great information!  I actually bought a container of Cell Nutritionals Constant Health.  I tried my first shake this morning for breakfast.  It was tasty.  My husband didn't think it was sweet enough and I thought it was just right if not a little bit too sweet.  I have my blood work done again at the beginning of June so I'll see if the shake makes any difference.

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If you could give me the reader's digest version that would be very nice.




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Here is The QuackWatch version.  

Here is again the Terra-Medica version.



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Here is The QuackWatch version.  

Here is again the Terra-Medica version.
I don't put much credence in anything quackwatch has to say.
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I had an ah-ha today about why I can't stay awake during the daytime. It's those probiotics! It should have been obvious but not with this inflamed brain.  Within an hour or two of taking the probiotics, I feel tired all the way down to my bones, so I sleep for a few hours, wake up, take probiotics again when I eat... wash, rinse, repeat (even if not desired) .  I knew they were affecting me badly (in the short-term), but I didn't put it together that if was such an acute reaction, until just today.

I'm going to start taking them at night before bed, and if (or more likely when) I wake up hungry in the middle of the night, I will take the second round.  Maybe I'll be able to stay awake during the day if I don't take the probiotics during the day.
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TJ, this is very interesting!! My new ah ha is carob. Now, chocolate would keep me awake all night, but carob puts me to sleep so I am having a little every night before going to bed.


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So I had the same experience today without taking the probiotics.  Maybe it's the Constant Health shake that's doing it instead of the probiotics, or maybe it's both.  I've been taking them together, but today I just had the shake.    It's also supposed to help with detoxification.

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My NAP order arrived today.  The Intrinsa only says to take two capsules twice daily.  Does anyone know if it's better to take with, before, or away from food?
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The fatigue could be from healing. Your body is working hard to heal and detox, so there's little energy left over for anything else.


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The fatigue could be from healing. Your body is working hard to heal and detox, so there's little energy left over for anything else.


Ditto!!!  Sometimes we have to realize that the body needs to take a time-out.  Some time-outs are longer than others, as well...  It depends on how much healing needs to be done and how much of the body is affected.  I know how hard it is to accept that you can't do what looks "normal", but sometimes, you just have to let the body control the pace.  I think you'll be better for it...


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My NAP order arrived today.  The Intrinsa only says to take two capsules twice daily.  Does anyone know if it's better to take with, before, or away from food?


This is my personal experience and I don't know if there's a right or a wrong way to take Intrinsa,
but I get my best results taking it 20-30 minutes before a meal....empty stomach, a full glass of
water.



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I would wait on the intrinsa.  If you're already detoxing, it will further that process.  You sound like you need a break.  But that's just my opinion.


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The fatigue could be from healing. Your body is working hard to heal and detox, so there's little energy left over for anything else.
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Ditto!!!  Sometimes we have to realize that the body needs to take a time-out.  Some time-outs are longer than others, as well...  It depends on how much healing needs to be done and how much of the body is affected.  I know how hard it is to accept that you can't do what looks "normal", but sometimes, you just have to let the body control the pace.  I think you'll be better for it...
Yes, I think y'all are right on target about this.

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This is my personal experience and I don't know if there's a right or a wrong way to take Intrinsa, but I get my best results taking it 20-30 minutes before a meal....empty stomach, a full glass of water.
Thank you for the suggestion...
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I would wait on the intrinsa.  If you're already detoxing, it will further that process.  You sound like you need a break.  But that's just my opinion.
...but now I'm worried about taking it.
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Well, TJ, I've been right there in the same boat. The only option I have considered in that spot is to dump a capsule of something too old or you don't take and split the intrinsa by dumping some of it in the empty capsule. Take it and see what happens. Sometimes I have taken a week of upping the dose a little every day until I was satisfied that I was going to be all right. It is my body, thank you very much!! The only one I have, and I try to take good care of it.   Good luck! Actually, I don't think you have to worry very much, but it is less stressful to try things this way. BTW, I always have some old capsules from outdated stuff or something I don't take anymore around. Or just find the cheapest thing you have even if it is fairly new and dump it! Oh, and if this stuff is a tablet or something, just whack it!


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I actually just went ahead and took the Intrinsa anyway.  I didn't notice any unusual reaction to it, but I don't think I would notice in this shape.  It has an incredibly buttery smell.

The Polyflora-B seems to be nicer to me than the PB8.  It could be that it's BT compliant.  Or it could be that there are only 3 billion CFU in Polyflora vs. 14 billion in the other stuff.  Or both.

I'm not eating much, and I don't want much.  I'm sleeping a lot, but that's nothing new.  Except for that one time a couple of weeks ago, I'm getting a lot of rabbit-pellet-looking stools.  I'm going tomorrow to get my shots and to buy some more Constant Health.  I'm thinking about buying a bottle of the Probiotics-16 they sell, and to take that and the Polyflora together.

The experiment taking the shake and probiotics just before I wanted to go to bed/sleep didn't pan out.  My sleep cycle is still messed up.
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I forgot to add: I bought some nutritional yeast flakes today.  It makes my lips and tongue tingly and gives me the familiar pre-migraine headache.  I should have left it on the shelf.
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I forgot to add: I bought some nutritional yeast flakes today.  It makes my lips and tongue tingly and gives me the familiar pre-migraine headache.  I should have left it on the shelf.

The B vitamins can cause tingling.  It may be an indication that you were really low and now are bringing the level up...  In spite of the symptoms, the NY has helped me quite a bit...  I don't have any healing without pain, etc., so I've just come to accept that as a given.  The more pain, the greater the healing for me...


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I'm not eating much, and I don't want much.  I'm sleeping a lot, but that's nothing new.  Except for that one time a couple of weeks ago, I'm getting a lot of rabbit-pellet-looking stools.  I'm going tomorrow to get my shots and to buy some more Constant Health.  I'm thinking about buying a bottle of the Probiotics-16 they sell, and to take that and the Polyflora together.



TJ - what about using some magnesium? I use Now brand mg citrate : you have to figure the amount. 1 tsp in the a.m. and then at bedtime for a few days & then I changed it to 1x daily and sometimes 1/2 tsp 2x daily. But it works great. No more constipation!!!

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Hey TJ, my wife was telling me about an Article in HSLDA where one of the workers there, I think one of the head guys has Lymes Disease.  And his whole family has it.  Guess where they're from?  NC.  


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The B vitamins can cause tingling.  It may be an indication that you were really low and now are bringing the level up...  In spite of the symptoms, the NY has helped me quite a bit...  I don't have any healing without pain, etc., so I've just come to accept that as a given.  The more pain, the greater the healing for me...
The Myer's cocktail IV, B12 and B6 shots provide a huge dose of B vitamins.  The Myer's cocktail especially causing tingling and warmth, which moves around as I'm getting it.  I'll feel it in my right eye, then on the back of my left hand, etc.  The nurse also said that you may feel it more in some places than others because that's where it's needed the most.  I'm not sure, but the NY feels more like an excitotoxin reaction.  I have enough wackiness going on already that I don't want to add another potential trouble-maker to the regimen.  I'll try it again at some point when other things are better.

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TJ - what about using some magnesium? I use Now brand mg citrate : you have to figure the amount. 1 tsp in the a.m. and then at bedtime for a few days & then I changed it to 1x daily and sometimes 1/2 tsp 2x daily. But it works great. No more constipation!!!
I take magnesium citrate every night, and the Myer's cocktail also contains magnesium.  Mg is a supplement I don't ever plan to discontinue.  It's very nice at relaxing my muscles but I haven't been able to discern an improvement in GI issues from it.

Joe and Dianne, I don't mean to be a downer!  Please don't give up on your suggestions.

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Hey TJ, my wife was telling me about an Article in HSLDA where one of the workers there, I think one of the head guys has Lymes Disease.  And his whole family has it.  Guess where they're from?  NC.  
I'm not surprised, considering the tick population.  What is HSLDA?  I expect after I've made some good progress in healing my gut that I'm going to get serious about the Buhner protocol for Lyme.
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Just in case any of you were wondering, here are my lab results.

CELIAC DISEASE PANEL
   TISSUE TRANSGLUT AB IGA: <3(U/mL)
   IGA, SERUM: 191(mg/dL)
   GLIADIN AB (IGA): 3(U/mL)

(I told him I haven't eaten wheat in a long time and he agreed that the result would be questionable in that case.)

FERRITIN, SERUM: 125(NG/ML)

Lyme Disease Ab, Total, Eia W/rfl (g/m)
   Lyme Disease Ab Screen: < or = 0.90(index)

Hemoglobin A1c
   Hemoglobin A1c: 5.1(% OF TOTAL HGB)
   Mean Plasma Glucose: 104(MG/DL)

HOMOCYSTEINE, CARDIO: 9.6(UMOL/L)

VITAMIN D,25-OH,LCMSMS
   VITAMIN D,25-OH,TOTAL: 37(NG/LM)
   VITAMIN D,25-OH,D3: 37(NG/ML)
   VITAMIN D,25-OH,D2: <4(NG/ML)

I don't know how important the capitalization is but I wrote it out the way in appears on the report.  These were performed by Quest Diagnostics.
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I'm just now reading this. So glad you found this doctor & didn't give up all these years!!!!!!!!

I don't know what the lab results mean, but thanks for sharing them.  Do you have Lymes?


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The test doesn't show that I do, but I'm not remotely convinced.
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Oh, I have another question for your input.  Definitely a "TMI" question: why does my gas smell like rotten eggs (hydrogen sulfide)?  I know farts are supposed to stink, but this is quite a different smell than I'm accustomed to.
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There are several possible reasons:
1) there was some sulfur that was stored unprocessed, that is now being removed and dealt.
2) the fight going on is causing that type reaction...

Sometimes it is hard to pinpoint a specific reason for some of our symptoms, but we're glad when they end...   


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Is there something sulphurous in your supplements, or is something working on your healing system by pulling the stored sulphur out?
When I first tried eating split peas to supplement the molydenum my body is missing, I was sure glad I was living alone that week
Or could it be that yeast??!! I can't tolerate it...
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I don't put much credence in anything quackwatch has to say.
Of course not!  

I found it looking for a "reader's digest version". It says that in spite of not having FDA approval, many doctors still prescribe these remedies.


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I had an ah-ha today about why I can't stay awake during the daytime. It's those probiotics! It should have been obvious but not with this inflamed brain.  Within an hour or two of taking the probiotics, I feel tired all the way down to my bones, so I sleep for a few hours, wake up, take probiotics again when I eat... wash, rinse, repeat (even if not desired) .  I knew they were affecting me badly (in the short-term), but I didn't put it together that if was such an acute reaction, until just today.

I'm going to start taking them at night before bed, and if (or more likely when) I wake up hungry in the middle of the night, I will take the second round.  Maybe I'll be able to stay awake during the day if I don't take the probiotics during the day.
I am on only one Delfect per day - it is most powerful taken just before I go to sleep.  You should consider taking any probiotic at bedtime as a possibility.


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Your D3 level may be within the limits but looks low to me.  Increasing it might make you feel better.
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Is there something sulphurous in your supplements, or is something working on your healing system by pulling the stored sulphur out?
The Constant Health contains selenomethionine.  I couldn't tell you about pulling out stored sulfur.  I know I am sensitive to sulfites, so there may be a connection.

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I found it looking for a "reader's digest version". It says that in spite of not having FDA approval, many doctors still prescribe these remedies.
Thank you for the clarification.  It's kind of funny how quackwatch insults the theory as "bizarre and senseless", then goes on to say that, "The Medline database reveals no evidence that Sanum products have been scientifically tested" as if the Medline database is an infallible, exhaustive compilation of medical facts.  (It would be nice if we had such a thing, but we haven't finished science yet.)

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Your D3 level may be within the limits but looks low to me.  Increasing it might make you feel better.
I will raise this question with the doctor next week.  Perhaps he will give the go-ahead for vitamin D shots.  I've been supplementing with 2000+ IU daily for 2-3 months.

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I am on only one Delfect per day - it is most powerful taken just before I go to sleep.  You should consider taking any probiotic at bedtime as a possibility.
I'm trying to take them before every meal so they can help digest my food.  I hadn't considered taking probiotics or Deflect just before bed.  I have decided that that is the best time for me to take Intrinsa.  I will give that a shot, too.

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There are several possible reasons:
1) there was some sulfur that was stored unprocessed, that is now being removed and dealt.
2) the fight going on is causing that type reaction...

Sometimes it is hard to pinpoint a specific reason for some of our symptoms, but we're glad when they end...   
I did some reading on H2S, and found that it's a toxic gas that can contribute to CFS/fibromyalgia symptoms, and that a lot of it in your flatus indicates some toxic processes going on in the GI tract.  I thought it odd that I would start experiencing this AFTER starting this healing regimen.  Perhaps it was being produced all along but was being reabsorbed rather than expelled.   It's another question I have for the doctor.
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Your D3 level may be within the limits but looks low to me.  Increasing it might make you feel better.


I completely agree.  Optimum levels are closer to 80.  And it took me 6,000 iu per day for almost 7 months to go from mid 50s to high 70s.


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The Constant Health contains selenomethionine.  I couldn't tell you about pulling out stored sulfur.

selenomethionine - contains selenium, not sulphur.  The selenium shouldn't be the cause of the sulfur odor.


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TJ- I did a deep tissue cleanse one year ago this month. It pulls out stuff stored deeply within the tissues. One guy who did this cleanse tried an experiment because of something he had read.
He had not taken drugs for 25 years but when he did the cleanse,...for some reason he had mailed off a stool sample from his cleanse and the police showed up as his door as drugs had been detected in the parcel. He was an old hippie and wanted to see if this cleanse was the real deal! It must have been interesting explaining this to the police!!!!!!  

So, the moral of the story is : who knows what you are detoxifying...but it certainly is better out than in.  
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selenomethionine - contains selenium, not sulphur.  The selenium shouldn't be the cause of the sulfur odor.
But the methionine is a sulfur-containing amino acid.

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So, the moral of the story is : who knows what you are detoxifying...but it certainly is better out than in.  
I agree, even if it smells a lot worse out than in.
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But the methionine is a sulfur-containing amino acid.

I agree, even if it smells a lot worse out than in.
Imagine...if it smells that bad, it must be doing some bad, trapped inside...

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(It would be nice if we had such a thing, but we haven't finished science yet.)
  

Anyway it apparently helps a lot of people and I assume no harm done. My doctor is very strict and very cautious. Evidently he regularly attends complementary medicine conferences in the US, Germany, and Hungary.


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But the methionine is a sulfur-containing amino acid.

Sorry, but I don't see sulfur in the Chemical equation:

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L-Selenomethionine

Formula      
C5H11NO2Se

http://www.genome.jp/dbget-bin/www_bget?cpd:C05335

Are you saying that the methionine traps sulfur in some way since it isn't in the compound formula?


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There was a while I took my probiotics at night, like Paul mentioned.  I seemed to have slept through any undesirable reaction, I think.  That was at least my thoughts on the matter.  Plus it had something to do with my stomach was nearing being empty, which the ones I was taking were supposed to be on an empty stomach.  This was after I was sleeping better though.  Not great, but better.  When I first had problems, I felt like I never slept at all.  Tossed and turned all night.  Thank God that's not the case any longer.  But it is a good suggestion.  I eventually started taking them in the morning because it does seem to help with stomach acid production and helped me be hungrier throughout the day and digest my foods better.  

Strangely enough, as I'm typing this, my stomach juices are growling and going feed me, feed me.  I'm so thankful for that feeling.  Because at one point, it wasn't there.  If you're there TJ, there is hope.  My digestion was BAD, and it is so much better now.  Praise the LORD for his healing and this diet and all the supps and probiotics I've taken over the last 4 years.


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JJ, thank you for your encouragement.  I'd like to say that I'm already seeing signs that things are starting to settle down, but that would be premature, considering how much of a boost I got from the shots this week.

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Sorry, but I don't see sulfur in the Chemical equation:

Name      
L-Selenomethionine

Formula      
C5H11NO2Se

http://www.genome.jp/dbget-bin/www_bget?cpd:C05335

Are you saying that the methionine traps sulfur in some way since it isn't in the compound formula?
This is interesting.  Methionine is a sulfur-containing amino acid, but apparently the selenium displaces the sulfur complex at the end of the chain.  I wasn't aware of that.  I guess that rules out sulfur sensitivity and adds credence to the detoxification theory -- I had an unpleasant reaction before when supplementing with selenomethionine, and assumed it was because of sulfur in the methionine.
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Methionine is a sulfur-containing amino acid, but apparently the selenium displaces the sulfur complex at the end of the chain.

Aww.. Yes.  When I compare the two, the S is replaced by Se...  I understand what you were saying.  Thanks.


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I'm not familiar with the other lab tests, but your vitamin D level is definitely low. You want it over 50, not over 30 like the lab probably thinks.

I'd suggest taking 5,000 iu per day since it's clear that the 2,000 iu per day wasn't enough. You may even want to take 10,000 iu per day, but not without your doctor's guidance. I was taking that much for a while, but also getting blood tests to re-check the levels every 3 months.

Then again, you're very sensitive to even small amounts of supplements and you may want to move more cautiously with changes- maybe try 3,000 iu per day for a while and slowly moving up from there. But IMO, taking 10,000 iu per day orally for 3 months is gentler on the system than getting a huge dose injected. IMO, the injections are for those who can't seem to absorb it orally.


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I'm not familiar with the other lab tests, but your vitamin D level is definitely low. You want it over 50, not over 30 like the lab probably thinks.

I'd suggest taking 5,000 iu per day since it's clear that the 2,000 iu per day wasn't enough. You may even want to take 10,000 iu per day, but not without your doctor's guidance. I was taking that much for a while, but also getting blood tests to re-check the levels every 3 months.
I've bumped up my oral dose to 4000 IU per day, and I'm going to ask the doctor about this number when I see him this week.

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Then again, you're very sensitive to even small amounts of supplements and you may want to move more cautiously with changes- maybe try 3,000 iu per day for a while and slowly moving up from there. But IMO, taking 10,000 iu per day orally for 3 months is gentler on the system than getting a huge dose injected. IMO, the injections are for those who can't seem to absorb it orally.
I'm not all that sensitive.  Maybe you are thinking about JJ.  I think the injections would be a good idea, but I need the doctor's opinion first.
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Yeah, I've been sensitive to supplementing D3 before.  I would never take that much D at once.  I'd have to work into it.  I remember taking like 1,000 IU's of D3 and I felt awful from it.  It might have been doing something good, but it was hard to live with and it was like clockwork.  It was obvious to me it was the D3.


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Yeah, I've been sensitive to supplementing D3 before.  I would never take that much D at once.  I'd have to work into it.  I remember taking like 1,000 IU's of D3 and I felt awful from it.  It might have been doing something good, but it was hard to live with and it was like clockwork.  It was obvious to me it was the D3.


Be careful of your D3 source.  I was taking a formula that made me feel sick which is generally
the form of D3 you'll find in most supplement bottles -- derived from lanolin.....but I found  a formula that is from fish liver oil....Brand is Blue Bonnet and it doesn't bother me.  I itched all over from lanolin derived D3.

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Chloe- are you allowed mutton? I'm wondering if the lanolin-derived D3 is only problematic for those individuals who shouldn't be eating sheep.


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I don't know what it was from.  I'll look.  It's a "pure encapsulations" brand.


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I'm off to see Dr. Rodier tomorrow.  I'm excited because I have something to report.  Since my last set of shots on Thursday, I have noticed a definite improvement in my energy levels and mood.  The little things like showering, brushing my teeth, and cooking haven't been taxing.  I drove up to Ogden for a job interview on Monday.  Yesterday and today I worked on my car.  I was sore today from working yesterday, but not incapacitated like I expected to be.  I wouldn't have considered doing this work a week earlier.  Also, it looks like I'm going to get the job I interviewed for.  That would have been frightening news a week ago, but now I'm cautiously optimistic.  I still need to go back to bed for a few hours after drinking my shake, with tells me that I'm still detoxing, but obviously, something is working.  I'm taking probiotics before every meal, and I've started taking milk thistle too.  I'm still bloated and constipated, but at least I feel like doing something.
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Are you eating enough juicy type fruits?  They seem to help me stay regular.  Or salads too.  But plums, pineapple, canteloupe, kiwi, grapefruit, aaaaah, possibly apples.  Those can keep things moving.  At least in me. Oh yeah, the usual suspects too like prunes and figs.  I think those help with that.  Enzymes, enzymes.  

Cucumbers and lettuce seem to help things moving well.  And I think brown rice and oatmeal also do that for me.  

Just a thought.  My swami has me eating 5 servings of fruit a day.  I never eat that much though.  But I get close sometimes.

Feeling better can be a marvelous experience.  I'm so glad for you.



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I am eating less fruit since I started the Constant Health, because I drink it in the morning when I usually eat a lot of fruit.  I have switched over from white to brown rice.  I suspect the rice to be a culprit in this problem.  I may just finish up this latest batch and then leave it alone for a while.  Fortunately, there are more fruits available now than a month ago.
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I think the white slows mine down, but not enough to worry.  I've had times where I thought brown got it moving real well.  BUT, not all browns.  Long Grain Brown seems to get things moving.  Short grain, I don't think I notice that affect.  In fact it might be the opposite.  


I have fruits and snack between lunch and dinner.  And then between dinner and my grain meal.  And I eat them at breakfast too.  They also help me stomach for sure.  There's times where I won't be that hungry.  Then I'll eat some kind of fruit, and it'll jump start my stomach acids.  I'm pretty sure that helps me digest the next meal.  So I kind of rotate between a fruit meal and then something else.  Breakfast, eggs meat and fruit.  And some nuts.  Lunch, veggies and meat. Fruit snack.  Dinner, veggies and meat.  After dinner snack, fruit.  Then a big whopping bowl of grain.  Then, if I'm still hungry after all that late night is dried fruit, nut butter possibly mixed with some canned pumpkin or squash.  It's a see saw.  Enzymes opposite the veggie and meat meal.  And of course some veggies have enzymes too that will help with digestion.  But I think the fruit does MORE of that consistently.  

Anyways......  I'm just talking about what seems to be working for me right now.  I don't always do that every day, but when I do, it seems to work out.  I haven't had any digestive enzymes or probiotics in a while and things are still moving.  And I can only attest that to the fact that my stomach is working so much better, praise God.  And all that I just said above.  I'm probably saying it too much though.  Oooops.  

The fruit seems to be getting better up here too.  We had some fresh strawberries that weren't too bad lately.  And the plums are just starting to be good.  I'm not seeing as much of the winter veggies too.  Like squashes.  I miss my acorn squash.  Last couple times we bought them, the were kind of pathetic.  


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Two days of work I'm not accustomed to is wearing.  I didn't have quite as much energy today as yesterday, but it's still better than things have typically been.  I was getting antsy and agitated -- nervous energy? -- but I caught myself at it and forced myself to slow down and relax.  I have that tendency to go overboard at the first sign of returning energy and vigor -- hypomania?  At least that's what they call it.

The doctor was glad to see that I had more energy and less pain, but because of the ongoing constipation and bloating, he decided to take my treatment to the next level.  He wrote me prescriptions for vancomycin and terbinafine and sent them off to a local compounding pharmacy.  Vancomycin is an antibiotic that stays in the GI tract and works against gram-positive bacteria (like E. coli).  Terbinafine is an antifungal used for finger- and toenail infections.  He wants to kill off the bad guys so the good guys can flourish.  I'm not decided if I'm going to get both.  I do want the antifungal though.  They are both expensive.

I tossed the rest of this last batch of rice.  FYI, it's brown jasmine (long-grained) rice.  There's no sense delaying when rice is so cheap.  Wasting that little bit is worth it if it gets things moving again.

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I might as well add a couple more things since I can't sleep.  First: I've been really light-headed lately, despite the improvement in energy, especially if I turn too fast or look up or to the side while I'm walking.  My BP was only 96/64 today, which is a bit low.  That got me thinking about magnesium.  I've been supplementing 200 mg every night.  I increased to 400 mg at the beginning of the week.  Today I reviewed the label on my shake: 150 mg of magnesium per scoop, at two scoops daily.  So I was taking 700 mg of magnesium daily.  It's no wonder my BP was low and that I'm light-headed. I discontinued my magnesium supplement as of tonight because the shake has plenty already.

Second, I think I remember Dr. D sharing some info about probiotics to this effect: the bacteria in dry probiotic supplements are in spore form, which means they don't need to be refrigerated, and that they can safely pass through the high acid environment in the stomach.  Am I remembering this correctly?
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Ps: is it wrong that I rated my own thread with a 5?


Absolutely not! I just admire your courage so much. And here's my vote!


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Most of the probiotics I've taken need to be refrigerated.  But I don't think his does.  I also had some primal defense at one point and that doesn't need to be refrigerated either.  

But I've taken healthy start and another one and they did need to be refrigerated.  If you're talking specifically about the Dadamo stuff, I don't think it needs to be, but I'm not sure.

Magnesium opens up them vessels and relaxes everything.  Yeah, it might drop your BP.  But I would think it would help your bowels move.  Are you going at all?  Oh you know, when I was a kid, whenever I would get constipated, I'd drink apple juice and it worked like clockwork.  


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I am going but it's those little balls...

Regarding what Dr. D said about spores -- found it:
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1170433975/s-31/highlight-probiotic/#num31

What I'd also like to know is the rationale for taking probiotics with food or away from food.  Since stomach acid isn't a consideration, what is?  Also, would my shake be counted as "food", or does it have to be something solid to count as "food"?
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I would consider shake "food".  Empty stomach is the alternative.  Meaning nothing in there but maybe water.  I don't know why they want you to take some on an empty stomach.  I either forgot or I never knew.  

So your BM's look like a deer's, eh?  At least you're going.  It sounded to me like you might need more fruit or salad.  hehehhehe.  Have I beat that dead horse yet?  

BTW, your redneck posts on FB are hilarious today.  Made me smile and laugh for sure!  And the thing is, I'm pretty redneck myself.  In a round about way.  But it's there.  Well actually, maybe some would say I'm full on redneck.  I think I'm too sensitive to be considered one fully.  Or maybe not.  Hehhehehe  So, don't be messin.  Hehehhehe


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Chloe- are you allowed mutton? I'm wondering if the lanolin-derived D3 is only problematic for those individuals who shouldn't be eating sheep.


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I bought the two medications today.  The prices were reasonable: $65 total.  I'm going to start on the anti-fungal first.  There's probably going to be some die-off.

JJ, I definitely have a redneck side.  I tried to deny it for years, but now I embrace it.  Just today I tried welding for the first time.  Next thing you know I'll be building some death-trap contraption.  I am blessed to have a good portion of both mechanical and scholastic aptitude.  It looks like the days are approaching when I'll be able to consistently make good use of both!
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Have you ever heard of Tim Hawkins?  He is so funny.  He's got this spoof song called, "Cletus take the Reel".  


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Wow, that is something else!  I just "liked" him on FB.

I went ahead and started the vancomycin today, too.  I would ask, "what's the worst that could happen?", but I really don't want to find out.
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Wow, that is something else!  I just "liked" him on FB.

I went ahead and started the vancomycin today, too.  I would ask, "what's the worst that could happen?", but I really don't want to find out.


That is too funny.  He's pretty hilarious to watch.  Especially his videos of the spoof songs he does.


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I will pray for you. So glad you are moving forward!
That is very thoughtful of you, AK.

I finally had a good BM today that I didn't have to strain for.  For that to be a cause for excitement is sad.  Am I really getting that old?   I'm thinking about going to the gym today.  It's been a long time since I felt like working out.
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No, you're not getting old.  You're just dealing with issues.  I know how you feel though!!!!  But for what it's worth, when you have kids, it's the topic of discussion for them too.  Meaning we keep an eye on it.  So, I think it's more about wanting to be regular than an age thing.  It's just that when we were kids we heard old people talking about it.  


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Wow, everything, and I mean everything, came out yesterday.  My tummy feels so much lighter!
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Good news...  Good news...  Hope this is indications of benefits to come.


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http://www.old-herborn-university.de/literature/books/OHUni_book_14_article_4.pdf

what a great find..

I think it is also the precursor to diabetes.. makes all the sense.. just finding out the how pr what will be the cure..

I am certain that aspirin every day is such a host of creating these conditions.. as are many other pills taken for pain for symptoms.. they most likely open the permeabilities 'netting' until it become a sieve..  what a thought!  

  


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I just returned from a trip so I had to catch up with your story.  I certainly wish you well, TJ.
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TJ, I'm sorry I've been reclusive.  I didn't even know you'd started a new thread here.  I hate being so out of it.


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I'm almost done with my course of antibiotics.  On the whole, I haven't felt as well on them as I did before, but I expect that to turn around once I've finished them and the good bugs can start recolonizing.

I'm going to give a quick lesson here as context for what I say in the next paragraph.  There is a way of classifying bacteria call gram staining.  Gram positive (GP) bacteria turn pink or red when gram stained.  Gram negative (GN) bacteria don't take the stain well because them have a cell wall surrounding there cell membrane that GP bacteria lack.  All of the good bacterial strains are GP.  AFAIK, all GN strains of bacteria that can live in the human body are pathogenic.  They produce endotoxin, and are resistant to many antibiotics because their cell wall protects them.

The antibiotic I'm taking, vancomycin, is only effective against GP bacteria.  This has me somewhat concerned because killing off all the good bacteria and all the yeasts (with the terbinafine) leaves a vacuum of sorts for any the remaining GN bacteria to fill.  I'm going back to see the doctor today, and I'm going to ask about getting a course of antibiotic that only targets GN bacteria.  I've done my homework and discovered that there are a few such classes of antibiotics out there which either don't affect GP bacteria at all (monobactams and rifaximin), or that affect GN bacteria much more forcefully than their GP counterparts (aminoglycosides, and 2nd and 3rd generation cephalosporins).  I hope he will agree, but that's not my call.  If he doesn't think it's necessary then I will accept that counsel.

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TJ, I'm sorry I've been reclusive.  I didn't even know you'd started a new thread here.  I hate being so out of it.
NP, I'm just glad you have felt well enough to go out and live a real life.  
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Well, my 2 cents is you stay away from Antibiotics, but you seem to have a different approach than I.  The only reason I say that is because when I started with all my gut problems, I had too many antibiotics in a year and all of the yeast sights and info say that is a very probably cause to leaky gut.  When I was having my problems I FELT better when I was on them.  But a couple of days after I was off of them, crash.  And I feel like I've been cleaning up after that practice ever since.  But, I think I felt better on them because they were killing whatever junk I had going on.  Like lymes and what not.  But I think I paid a huge price in the gut for it.

That's just my experience and I'm just sharing.  This may not happen to you the way it did for me.  But I figured I'd throw it out there.  But correct me if I'm wrong, weren't you on antibiotics about 3-4 months ago also?


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JJ, I was on antibiotics last year, on two different occasions.  Those probably didn't help me.  This feels like it's doing something good, since I'm also taking an antifungal and lots of probiotics with it.

The doctor went along with my thought process.  He has given me a two-week course of gentamycin, and he also gave me another antifungal, nystatin.
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All of the good bacterial strains are GP.  AFAIK, all GN strains of bacteria that can live in the human body are pathogenic.

The antibiotic I'm taking, vancomycin, is only effective against GP bacteria.  This has me somewhat concerned because killing off all the good bacteria and all the yeasts (with the terbinafine) leaves a vacuum of sorts for any the remaining GN bacteria to fill.

I don't know enough to discuss this in-depth, but there are pathogenic strains of both GP and GN bacteria.  It may be that the Dr. is going after the GP pathogens initially to get rid of any co-infections, then going after the GN infections...

Common gram-positive bacteria include Staphylococcus, Streptococcus, and Clostridium (botulism).  

Common gram-negative bacteria include H. pylorii (ulcer causing bacteria), Samonella (food poisoning), Neisseria gonorrhoeae (gonorrhea), Spirochetes (Lyme disease), Proteus and E. Coli (urinary tract infections).



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I know I had H.Pylori also.  That really messed with my stomach.  


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I don't know enough to discuss this in-depth, but there are pathogenic strains of both GP and GN bacteria.
Absolutely correct.

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It may be that the Dr. is going after the GP pathogens initially to get rid of any co-infections, then going after the GN infections...
He wasn't planning to go forward with the GN abx until I asked him about it and said that I'd like to give that a try.  I thought that was strange, but maybe the first round of abx is enough for most of his patients.  He did say that you can't ever get rid of all the bad guys, but he wants to get them under control so the good guys can get the upper hand.

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He wasn't planning to go forward with the GN abx until I asked him about it and said that I'd like to give that a try.  I thought that was strange, but maybe the first round of abx is enough for most of his patients.  He did say that you can't ever get rid of all the bad guys, but he wants to get them under control so the good guys can get the upper hand.

Oh that's right, he wasn't necessarily convinced that you had Lyme...  Probably why he wasn't going to go forward with the GN abx initially.


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Spirochetes are GN, but I was thinking more about the other GN bugs that might be in my intestines.  After I'm satisfied that my gut has healed up properly, I plan to go on the Buhner herbal protocol to deal with the Lyme.
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JJ, I was on antibiotics last year, on two different occasions.  Those probably didn't help me.  This feels like it's doing something good, since I'm also taking an antifungal and lots of probiotics with it.

The doctor went along with my thought process.  He has given me a two-week course of gentamycin, and he also gave me another antifungal, nystatin.


So you are on Nystatin now.... I took it for two years, but it got rid of my candidiasis. Is the price still sky high?


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I've been very fortunate.  This doctor sent me to a compounding pharmacy  that mixes these specially for him.  I'm taking 2.5 ml of a 50 mg/ml vancomycin solution (that's 225 mg), 4x daily for 2 weeks.  The closest typical dosing I could find is a 250 mg capsule.  Using http://www.universaldrugstore.com/ as my reference, 56 capsules is $721.50.  The nystatin isn't nearly as expensive as the vancomycin.
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I was filling the caps from a big bottle of the stuff. It cost $300 per month 24 years ago. Toward the end the pharmacy gave me a break and started charging what it cost them.


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24 years ago, $300 was a boatload more money than $700 now.
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If Cowden stops working for me, I'll do Buhner.  It sounds really good.


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I don't think it will.  The Cowden protocol is so much more intricate.
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The doctor went along with my thought process.  He has given me a two-week course of gentamycin, and he also gave me another antifungal, nystatin.
As I sort of expected, I am feeling pretty cruddy again, probably from a new wave of die-off.

I'm just glad things have been happening on this timetable.  Because of the background checking involved, I won't haven't to start work until after I'm completely finished with my antibiotic medicines.
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I've made it through my first week of work!  I would have done great today, too, except that I went out with friends to eat Ethiopian food, then to add insult to injury we went to a dance and I couldn't leave when I wanted to because I didn't drive.    So I spent a lot of time in bed today, but I felt well enough by evening to enjoy a date with a woman I met at church last week.  We saw "Fiddler on the Roof" put on by a local theater.  I forget how much fun it is to see live entertainment until I'm actually there.  BTW, my date thinks her blood type is B+.  Somehow that always comes up....

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Glad you enjoyed the night out & were well enough for it
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TJ this is better then any intake of antibiotics... this is for life and not against ....


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OooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOooooooooooooo a date.    

How did it go?


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The date Saturday went well.  I have a second one for this coming Saturday.

I've started feeling bad again.  My throat has been sore for a few days.  I can barely keep myself awake by the end of the work day.  Toward the end of last week, I was feeling pretty paranoid about my crazy roommate.

And guess what I found out today?  My office building was flooded last fall.  We are on the ground floor, of course.  I hope they can move me to another location.  I will be worse than useless in another week or two, if my past experience is any indicator.
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Aww shame TJ
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Flooding.  Ugh.


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And guess what I found out today?  My office building was flooded last fall.  We are on the ground floor, of course.

This should only be a problem if they didn't get it dried properly and it molded...  There are many possible issues in an office building - laser printer exhaust, carpet glue and paint fumes, perfume buildup, cleaning products, etc...


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And guess what I found out today?  My office building was flooded last fall.  We are on the ground floor, of course.  I hope they can move me to another location.  I will be worse than useless in another week or two, if my past experience is any indicator.


As others, I can certainly relate to your feelings about the flooding in the building. I have avoided some problems in that sort of situation by providing my own really effective air cleaner with it blowing directly into my face! Made all the difference. It is not a large version, but it has two filters. One washable and one replaceable. It definitely works. One of them might be an option for you. I have a horrible reaction to mold. I don't think I would have survived as long as you have. I have popping in my ears, swollen lymphs and depression down through the floor right off the bat which leads into other problems. I have all those problems even before I can smell mold.


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This should only be a problem if they didn't get it dried properly and it molded...  There are many possible issues in an office building - laser printer exhaust, carpet glue and paint fumes, perfume buildup, cleaning products, etc...
Yes, very true.  Mold seems like the most likely.

I emailed my concerns to my manager and he got in touch with HR and risk management.  They are going to move me to another location temporarily, and are going to have someone independent come in to test the air quality.  Today I went outside to get fresh air on break and lunch, and that, along with the knowledge that something is going to happen, saw me feeling better by the end of the day than yesterday -- but I was still coughing and felt that oversensitivity in my skin, sinus congestion, and gritty eyes.
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Good you can get outside at times TJ!!
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please give a try to olive leaf and or boswellia serrata (cartheriie is even better)... wish ya a quick recovery....and good luck for your date ....


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The second date was kind of blah.  Oh well.  Moving on...
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If you can get your hands on some young living oils called "purification" and run it in a diffuser on your desk, that might help.  

Too bad about the date.  Oh well!!  Lots of fish in the sea.


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If you can get your hands on some young living oils called "purification" and run it in a diffuser on your desk, that might help.  

Too bad about the date.  Oh well!!  Lots of fish in the sea.
I only date women of my own faith, and in my congregation alone, the women outnumber the men by more the 2 to 1.  So yes, yes there are plenty of fish!
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The second date was kind of blah.  Oh well.  Moving on...
Curious as to why you felt the 2nd date was "kind of blah"? Or did you both feel that?

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I think she did too, but I can't read minds.  She just didn't interest me.  The first date activity would have been fun if I'd gone by myself, but not so much on the second.
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You'll find somebody.  


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I haven't seen Dr. Rodier since I started my job back at the end of April. While the fact that I was able to start a full-time job (and continue at it until this point) says that there has been improvement, I'm not nearly where I want to be yet. Again I feel like I've gone as far as I can go on what I'm doing right now. I've made another appointment to see him on Tuesday the 10th. I'm going to bring up Lyme disease again, try to give him some information to look at regarding chronic Lyme, and ask him about prescribing the Buhner protocol herbs for me. I have a HSA with my new insurance plan (as of July 1st), and I can use that pre-tax money to pay for supplements if my doctor prescribes them. Dr. Rodier might also have some other ideas in mind that I haven't considered. I'll be back to let y'all know how the visit went.
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I was a bit disappointed. I emailed some information to the office on Lyme disease ahead of my visit, and it was clear that he didn't review it. I'm not certain it got to him, but still... He wanted me to do more of the same, Myer's cocktails, vitamin and glutathione shots, and continue with the probiotics (which I'm already doing). He recommended a few more supplements as part of a mitochondrial anti-oxidation protocol. I asked him to write out the prescription for the major herbs on the Buhner protocol, which he did, and I left a couple articles with him, but I'm afraid that he has offered as much help to me now as he will. I do hope he will do some serious reading up on tick-borne illnesses, but I don't expect it.  
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TJ, I just finished reading "Out of the Woods" by Katina I. Makris.  It is THE definitive book on Lyme disease.  You will learn more than you have ever known about what kinds of tests to have and what kinds of treatments you might choose.  Please check it out.  I had no idea what chronic Lyme disease is like!!
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Thank you for the suggestion NHG, I will look into it.
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