TJ,  thanks for the update!  Great information!  I actually bought a container of Cell Nutritionals Constant Health.  I tried my first shake this morning for breakfast.  It was tasty.  My husband didn't think it was sweet enough and I thought it was just right if not a little bit too sweet.  I have my blood work done again at the beginning of June so I'll see if the shake makes any difference.

Thanks again.
Nancy

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If you could give me the reader's digest version that would be very nice.

Here is The QuackWatch version.  

Here is again the Terra-Medica version.

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Here is The QuackWatch version.  

Here is again the Terra-Medica version.

I don't put much credence in anything quackwatch has to say.

I had an ah-ha today about why I can't stay awake during the daytime. It's those probiotics! It should have been obvious but not with this inflamed brain.  Within an hour or two of taking the probiotics, I feel tired all the way down to my bones, so I sleep for a few hours, wake up, take probiotics again when I eat... wash, rinse, repeat (even if not desired) .  I knew they were affecting me badly (in the short-term), but I didn't put it together that if was such an acute reaction, until just today.

I'm going to start taking them at night before bed, and if (or more likely when) I wake up hungry in the middle of the night, I will take the second round.  Maybe I'll be able to stay awake during the day if I don't take the probiotics during the day.

TJ, this is very interesting!! My new ah ha is carob. Now, chocolate would keep me awake all night, but carob puts me to sleep so I am having a little every night before going to bed.

So I had the same experience today without taking the probiotics.  Maybe it's the Constant Health shake that's doing it instead of the probiotics, or maybe it's both.  I've been taking them together, but today I just had the shake.    It's also supposed to help with detoxification.

My NAP order arrived today.  The Intrinsa only says to take two capsules twice daily.  Does anyone know if it's better to take with, before, or away from food?

The fatigue could be from healing. Your body is working hard to heal and detox, so there's little energy left over for anything else.

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The fatigue could be from healing. Your body is working hard to heal and detox, so there's little energy left over for anything else.

Ditto!!!  Sometimes we have to realize that the body needs to take a time-out.  Some time-outs are longer than others, as well...  It depends on how much healing needs to be done and how much of the body is affected.  I know how hard it is to accept that you can't do what looks "normal", but sometimes, you just have to let the body control the pace.  I think you'll be better for it...

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My NAP order arrived today.  The Intrinsa only says to take two capsules twice daily.  Does anyone know if it's better to take with, before, or away from food?

This is my personal experience and I don't know if there's a right or a wrong way to take Intrinsa,
but I get my best results taking it 20-30 minutes before a meal....empty stomach, a full glass of
water.

I would wait on the intrinsa.  If you're already detoxing, it will further that process.  You sound like you need a break.  But that's just my opinion.

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The fatigue could be from healing. Your body is working hard to heal and detox, so there's little energy left over for anything else.

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Ditto!!!  Sometimes we have to realize that the body needs to take a time-out.  Some time-outs are longer than others, as well...  It depends on how much healing needs to be done and how much of the body is affected.  I know how hard it is to accept that you can't do what looks "normal", but sometimes, you just have to let the body control the pace.  I think you'll be better for it...

Yes, I think y'all are right on target about this.

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This is my personal experience and I don't know if there's a right or a wrong way to take Intrinsa, but I get my best results taking it 20-30 minutes before a meal....empty stomach, a full glass of water.

Thank you for the suggestion...

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I would wait on the intrinsa.  If you're already detoxing, it will further that process.  You sound like you need a break.  But that's just my opinion.

...but now I'm worried about taking it.

Well, TJ, I've been right there in the same boat. The only option I have considered in that spot is to dump a capsule of something too old or you don't take and split the intrinsa by dumping some of it in the empty capsule. Take it and see what happens. Sometimes I have taken a week of upping the dose a little every day until I was satisfied that I was going to be all right. It is my body, thank you very much!! The only one I have, and I try to take good care of it.   Good luck! Actually, I don't think you have to worry very much, but it is less stressful to try things this way. BTW, I always have some old capsules from outdated stuff or something I don't take anymore around. Or just find the cheapest thing you have even if it is fairly new and dump it! Oh, and if this stuff is a tablet or something, just whack it!

I actually just went ahead and took the Intrinsa anyway.  I didn't notice any unusual reaction to it, but I don't think I would notice in this shape.  It has an incredibly buttery smell.

The Polyflora-B seems to be nicer to me than the PB8.  It could be that it's BT compliant.  Or it could be that there are only 3 billion CFU in Polyflora vs. 14 billion in the other stuff.  Or both.

I'm not eating much, and I don't want much.  I'm sleeping a lot, but that's nothing new.  Except for that one time a couple of weeks ago, I'm getting a lot of rabbit-pellet-looking stools.  I'm going tomorrow to get my shots and to buy some more Constant Health.  I'm thinking about buying a bottle of the Probiotics-16 they sell, and to take that and the Polyflora together.

The experiment taking the shake and probiotics just before I wanted to go to bed/sleep didn't pan out.  My sleep cycle is still messed up.

I forgot to add: I bought some nutritional yeast flakes today.  It makes my lips and tongue tingly and gives me the familiar pre-migraine headache.  I should have left it on the shelf.

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I forgot to add: I bought some nutritional yeast flakes today.  It makes my lips and tongue tingly and gives me the familiar pre-migraine headache.  I should have left it on the shelf.

The B vitamins can cause tingling.  It may be an indication that you were really low and now are bringing the level up...  In spite of the symptoms, the NY has helped me quite a bit...  I don't have any healing without pain, etc., so I've just come to accept that as a given.  The more pain, the greater the healing for me...

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I'm not eating much, and I don't want much.  I'm sleeping a lot, but that's nothing new.  Except for that one time a couple of weeks ago, I'm getting a lot of rabbit-pellet-looking stools.  I'm going tomorrow to get my shots and to buy some more Constant Health.  I'm thinking about buying a bottle of the Probiotics-16 they sell, and to take that and the Polyflora together.

TJ - what about using some magnesium? I use Now brand mg citrate : you have to figure the amount. 1 tsp in the a.m. and then at bedtime for a few days & then I changed it to 1x daily and sometimes 1/2 tsp 2x daily. But it works great. No more constipation!!!

I hope you are feeling better.  <3  

Hey TJ, my wife was telling me about an Article in HSLDA where one of the workers there, I think one of the head guys has Lymes Disease.  And his whole family has it.  Guess where they're from?  NC.  

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The B vitamins can cause tingling.  It may be an indication that you were really low and now are bringing the level up...  In spite of the symptoms, the NY has helped me quite a bit...  I don't have any healing without pain, etc., so I've just come to accept that as a given.  The more pain, the greater the healing for me...

The Myer's cocktail IV, B12 and B6 shots provide a huge dose of B vitamins.  The Myer's cocktail especially causing tingling and warmth, which moves around as I'm getting it.  I'll feel it in my right eye, then on the back of my left hand, etc.  The nurse also said that you may feel it more in some places than others because that's where it's needed the most.  I'm not sure, but the NY feels more like an excitotoxin reaction.  I have enough wackiness going on already that I don't want to add another potential trouble-maker to the regimen.  I'll try it again at some point when other things are better.

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TJ - what about using some magnesium? I use Now brand mg citrate : you have to figure the amount. 1 tsp in the a.m. and then at bedtime for a few days & then I changed it to 1x daily and sometimes 1/2 tsp 2x daily. But it works great. No more constipation!!!

I take magnesium citrate every night, and the Myer's cocktail also contains magnesium.  Mg is a supplement I don't ever plan to discontinue.  It's very nice at relaxing my muscles but I haven't been able to discern an improvement in GI issues from it.

Joe and Dianne, I don't mean to be a downer!  Please don't give up on your suggestions.

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Hey TJ, my wife was telling me about an Article in HSLDA where one of the workers there, I think one of the head guys has Lymes Disease.  And his whole family has it.  Guess where they're from?  NC.  

I'm not surprised, considering the tick population.  What is HSLDA?  I expect after I've made some good progress in healing my gut that I'm going to get serious about the Buhner protocol for Lyme.

Just in case any of you were wondering, here are my lab results.

CELIAC DISEASE PANEL
   TISSUE TRANSGLUT AB IGA: <3(U/mL)
   IGA, SERUM: 191(mg/dL)
   GLIADIN AB (IGA): 3(U/mL)

(I told him I haven't eaten wheat in a long time and he agreed that the result would be questionable in that case.)

FERRITIN, SERUM: 125(NG/ML)

Lyme Disease Ab, Total, Eia W/rfl (g/m)
   Lyme Disease Ab Screen: < or = 0.90(index)

Hemoglobin A1c
   Hemoglobin A1c: 5.1(% OF TOTAL HGB)
   Mean Plasma Glucose: 104(MG/DL)

HOMOCYSTEINE, CARDIO: 9.6(UMOL/L)

VITAMIN D,25-OH,LCMSMS
   VITAMIN D,25-OH,TOTAL: 37(NG/LM)
   VITAMIN D,25-OH,D3: 37(NG/ML)
   VITAMIN D,25-OH,D2: <4(NG/ML)

I don't know how important the capitalization is but I wrote it out the way in appears on the report.  These were performed by Quest Diagnostics.

I'm just now reading this. So glad you found this doctor & didn't give up all these years!!!!!!!!

I don't know what the lab results mean, but thanks for sharing them.  Do you have Lymes?

The test doesn't show that I do, but I'm not remotely convinced.

Oh, I have another question for your input.  Definitely a "TMI" question: why does my gas smell like rotten eggs (hydrogen sulfide)?  I know farts are supposed to stink, but this is quite a different smell than I'm accustomed to.