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TJ
Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 7:32pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Today, it's pretty clear that the shots have finally worn off.  
But I get them again on Thursday!

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TJ. I found your product online, Constant Health Rice Protein and although I read the reviews and saw the list of ingredients, I cannot figure out why a reviewer said it was too sweet.
Because it is too sweet.  That's my only complaint so far.

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I can't really figure out what makes up the caloric content of this product. What would give it 20 grams of fat?  I don't see any fatty acids listed unless I missed something.
I think you misread the label.  It has 2.5 g total fat, 20 g protein.
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It's also pretty clear that the probiotics are still problematic for me at this point: good for my digestive system, but bad for everything else.  Oh, the inflammation!  I hope the doctor has some satisfactory answers to this problem when I see him tomorrow.
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It's also pretty clear that the probiotics are still problematic for me at this point: good for my digestive system, but bad for everything else.  Oh, the inflammation!  I hope the doctor has some satisfactory answers to this problem when I see him tomorrow.

Sometimes, you have to deal with some discomfort to get off of a plateau...  

I'm not saying this is true in your case, but it has been in mine.  It seems like every time I feel really good, I have plateaued in the healing.  Once I find another "helper", I go back to healing and the nerves, etc. go wild again - but I feel progress toward the goal.  It is good that I can feel and see the progress, so I know I am continuing on in the right direction, even though it is painful.

I am almost certain this is the case whenever there is nerve damage involved...  Nerves don't heal without activity, which usually means pain, tingling, or other unpleasantness.


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Have him test you for heavy metals.
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Joe, I hope that's all it is.  I'm having some odd aches inside my ribcage, and that flu-like brain fog, fatigue, muscle weakness, sensitivity all over like I've had before.  I'm afraid that the bacteria may be getting through into my blood, but I don't even know if that's possible.
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Ugh, it is possible.  Writing the last post prompted a Google search.  I followed the bread crumb trail to find this search:

bacterial translocation from the gastrointestinal tract

If these bacteria are crossing my intestinal lining, it could be liver inflammation I'm feeling.  Having live probiotic bacteria circulating in my blood is likely to provoke an immune system response.
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Another method FYI is SANUM remedies. Please ask your doctor about it.

I was prescribed Utilin, containing Bacillus subtilis. The dosage is very small, and it's not expensive at all. Most supportive for inflammation condition.


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TJ, I don't know if you did this or not, but I always take less than what they tell me too.  My body just gets crazy with inflammation when killing stuff.  If you have SIBO, that means too much bad guys in your gut.  As soon as you introduce the good guys, there's a war.  And the bad guys don't like to go down easy.  That's why it's called "die off".  That's all it is.  I wouldn't try to overthink it.  It makes you feel horrible, and it causes inflammation.  I always get anxious when it happens, so I know what you're going through.  And I have to admit, I've taken an hiatus from all that and am focusing on eating and gaining weight.   So I talk big now.  If I was in the middle of a good die off session, I'd be freakin.  So...  

All I'm trying to do is give you some perspective if I can.  What you're experiencing is more than likely very normal.  I wouldn't try and overthink the aches and pains.  Your system is filtering out junk.  Your liver will probably hurt.  And your spleen, and your kidneys, and your lymphs.  Your heart your head, and your emotions.  Heck, I've felt at times that every cell in my body was on fire.  

I would cut back or stop for now though if it's causing a lot of discomfort.  You can only do so much at once.  Just take it easy and try and get the inflammation down with rest, pineapple, lots of water, or whatever else you know that works for you.  Then you'll have to rinse and repeat probably.


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Another method FYI is SANUM remedies. Please ask your doctor about it.

I was prescribed Utilin, containing Bacillus subtilis. The dosage is very small, and it's not expensive at all. Most supportive for inflammation condition.


This is gross but I figured I'd throw it out there.  About 3 years or a little more ago, I was seeing an ND and he helped me quite a bit.  He used some of these things.  I specifically remember one called "Pleo Not".  I remember it very well because it goes in your butthole at night.  AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!  But I remember it making me feel so much better.  I guess it was helping me dump toxins or whatever.  It definitely helped calm my system down.  But it was an experience to remember.

I don't necessarily think that diet listed in that info is good for any long period of time.  And it looks more like a recipe for an A.  Not a B or O.


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That is so great, I hope you get well.
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This blog post says cold thermogenesis helps Lyme's disease:
http://www.lovingourguts.com/cold-thermogenesis-challenge-starts-today/
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Jeepers TJ, hope you feel better/get better with that die off stuff going on?! Great support/info there JJR!
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This is gross but I figured I'd throw it out there.
Do you mean a lot of gas?



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Do you mean a lot of gas?


I think he was talking about his description of the suppository...


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I think he was talking about his description of the suppository...
Oh! I see. Thanks.

It comes in capsules as well.





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I was thinking I should've used the proper terminology like Joe did, but I couldn't remember if that was the right word for it.  And my practitioner called it something funny also and it didn't offend me.  I'm sorry if it offended anyone.  Any ways.....  they helped a great deal though and it helped me through a particularly bad time.  It seemed like it gave me a huge shift in healing at the time.  


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...It seemed like it gave me a huge shift in healing at the time.  
Misread one of those words for a moment

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you sound better already?!.. all the best..   


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they helped a great deal though and it helped me through a particularly bad time.  It seemed like it gave me a huge shift in healing at the time.  

With this specific remedy, it makes me wonder how such a small dosage - about 1 capsule per week - can make such a great difference. A few moments after I'd taken it even for the first time I suddenly felt a great relief, as if new powers streamed in, and that of course made me cheerful and optimistic. As if the body "smells" what is taken in, like it smells good nourishing food before it is eaten, and reacts immediately even before the remedy has done anything.  




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With this specific remedy, it makes me wonder how such a small dosage - about 1 capsule per week - can make such a great difference. A few moments after I'd taken it even for the first time I suddenly felt a great relief, as if new powers streamed in, and that of course made me cheerful and optimistic. As if the body "smells" what is taken in, like it smells good nourishing food before it is eaten, and reacts immediately even before the remedy has done anything.

The body can sometimes sense the energy of the substance just holding it in your hand.  Sometimes this is enough to provide a "lift" or "decline", depending on whether the substance is good or bad for you.


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I thought I was going nuts the first few days I took probiotics decades ago. But I was determined that I was going to "sweat it out" or die trying. An A-type on an O-type diet along with the probiotics made me feel like I had a double dose of the flu.  


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The body can sometimes sense the energy of the substance just holding it in your hand.  Sometimes this is enough to provide a "lift" or "decline", depending on whether the substance is good or bad for you.
True and fantastic makes me so grateful



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Another method FYI is SANUM remedies. Please ask your doctor about it.

I was prescribed Utilin, containing Bacillus subtilis. The dosage is very small, and it's not expensive at all. Most supportive for inflammation condition.
Anyway, I repeat this, because this is so special, may be innovative.

Would be a great shame to miss it by mistake as it were.

I guess Bacillus subtilis is a friendly bacteria.



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Quoted from TJ
Ugh, it is possible.  Writing the last post prompted a Google search.  I followed the bread crumb trail to find this search:

bacterial translocation from the gastrointestinal tract

If these bacteria are crossing my intestinal lining, it could be liver inflammation I'm feeling.  Having live probiotic bacteria circulating in my blood is likely to provoke an immune system response.
I did some more detailed research later, and to my relief, it turns out the bacteria used in probiotic supplements helps to inhibit this phenomenon.  The yeast S. cerevisiae used in Polyflora-B has also been found to have this property.

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Another method FYI is SANUM remedies. Please ask your doctor about it.

I was prescribed Utilin, containing Bacillus subtilis. The dosage is very small, and it's not expensive at all. Most supportive for inflammation condition.
I didn't see your post until today, after seeing my doctor already.  I appreciate the information, but I haven't had a chance to read it yet.  That is a big document.  I don't think I have the mental stamina to trudge through it.  If you could give me the reader's digest version that would be very nice.

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TJ, I don't know if you did this or not, but I always take less than what they tell me too.  My body just gets crazy with inflammation when killing stuff.  If you have SIBO, that means too much bad guys in your gut.  As soon as you introduce the good guys, there's a war.  And the bad guys don't like to go down easy.  That's why it's called "die off".  That's all it is.  I wouldn't try to overthink it.  It makes you feel horrible, and it causes inflammation.  I always get anxious when it happens, so I know what you're going through.  And I have to admit, I've taken an hiatus from all that and am focusing on eating and gaining weight.   So I talk big now.  If I was in the middle of a good die off session, I'd be freakin.  So...  

All I'm trying to do is give you some perspective if I can.  What you're experiencing is more than likely very normal.  I wouldn't try and overthink the aches and pains.  Your system is filtering out junk.  Your liver will probably hurt.  And your spleen, and your kidneys, and your lymphs.  Your heart your head, and your emotions.  Heck, I've felt at times that every cell in my body was on fire.  

I would cut back or stop for now though if it's causing a lot of discomfort.  You can only do so much at once.  Just take it easy and try and get the inflammation down with rest, pineapple, lots of water, or whatever else you know that works for you.  Then you'll have to rinse and repeat probably.
You are absolutely right.  It's easy to jump to the worst conclusion in the midst of a crisis, and I think that's just what happened.  I haven't taken the recommended dose at all because I knew how this stuff affects me.  I'm only taking one or two capsules with each Constant Health drink, which I've divided up into 3-4 servings per day instead of two.  It's bad enough with just this small dose.  I hate to think how miserable I'd be taking 10 per day.

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I'm not focusing on the Lyme aspect right now.  I think I need to focus on healing up my digestive system more than anything, and after I'm confident that it's gotten to where it should be, if I'm still having those problems I'll look into Lyme disease treatment more.

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Do you mean a lot of gas?
I don't think he meant that, but I sure have had a lot of it since starting.  I think it's a good (but very smelly) sign that things are happening down there.

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I've only had one really good BM since my first visit (and it was impressive) , but the doctor took that as a good sign that things are starting to go in the right direction.  He said that if I can't make substantial improvements that it may be necessary to try some antibiotics to clear out the bad bacteria that have overgrown.  He and I both would rather that not be necessary, but it's an option.

I ordered some Polyflora-B on Thursday just before taking off to see the doctor.  It was on sale so I ordered two bottles.  I also ordered a bottle of Intrinsa.  Several of you have recommended it so I'm giving it a shot.

Dr. Rodier holds a free class every Thursday as an introduction to new patients.  It was enlightening.  This guy really gets it about how important food is for proper healing.  He said we should eat 13 servings of fruits and veggies per day.  I don't think I can eat such a volume of food in a day without getting sick, but it has spurred me to try increasing my vegetable servings.  He talking about how everything in the universe is energy or information, including food, and how there's a lot more to food than just calories, i.e. the information that the food gives your body.  He talked some about nutrigenetics and nutrigenomics.  He described disease as being caused by your cells' TOIL-ing: Toxicity, Oxidative stress, Inflammation, and Less-than-optimal mitochondrial function.  He said that TOIL-ing causes our cell membranes and the connections between cells to be more permeable, causing such conditions as leaky gut.  He said that if you have a leaky gut, that you also have leaky arteries, and that is where cardiovascular disease starts.  Following that, he said that high cholesterol was just the body's efforts to patch up leaky arteries, and the high cholesterol was an effect of cardiovascular disease, not a cause.  He even talked about the need to change the politics of the food industry so our society could be healthier (i.e. stop subsidizing grain production).  He is not a big fan of grains, but he doesn't totally condemn their use either.  There was a lot of information to take in so he sent us all home with a notebook.

Again I was reassured that I am in good hands.

Here is his book:
Licking Sweet Death: Energy and Information to Stop Sugarcoating Your Addiction to Processed Foods
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