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Fingerprints will reveal white lines if they are present. If you look at your fingers where the fingerprints are made, and they look as if they have been slashed lightly with a knife, then you know that those slashes will more than likely appear as white lines on your fingerprints.


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Fingerprints will reveal white lines if they are present. If you look at your fingers where the fingerprints are made, and they look as if they have been slashed lightly with a knife, then you know that those slashes will more than likely appear as white lines on your fingerprints.



I saw some in my right thumb its like a short wrinkle like a cut of a knife it looks plain color flesh. How white are you talking about?


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If you actually do a fingerprint it will show up as a white line. Lines don't appear white on your finger.


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If you actually do a fingerprint it will show up as a white line. Lines don't appear white on your finger.
...and they will only be white if you're taking the prints on something white.

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I saw some in my right thumb its like a short wrinkle like a cut of a knife it looks plain color flesh. How white are you talking about?
This is something I've wondered about, too.  I have creases all through my fingerprints.  This is what I'm talking about here:
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My fingerprints (heck, the whole palm side of my fingers) are still shot through with lines and the ridges are low.
When considering fingerprints in the context of intestinal health, are low fingerprint ridges the only meaningful cause for the white lines, or do these skin creases also count?
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When considering fingerprints in the context of intestinal health, are low fingerprint ridges the only meaningful cause for the white lines, or do these skin creases also count? I don't know about that, but I have noticed that when my fingers slip all the time when I am trying to turn a page, I can be assured that I am going to have white lines. The slipping fingers means the ridges are very shallow!


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I don't know about that, but I have noticed that when my fingers slip all the time when I am trying to turn a page, I can be assured that I am going to have white lines. The slipping fingers means the ridges are very shallow!
Interesting & makes sense!!

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I don't know about that, but I have noticed that when my fingers slip all the time when I am trying to turn a page, I can be assured that I am going to have white lines. The slipping fingers means the ridges are very shallow!
I don't have this problem but my dad does.  You can barely see his fingerprints.

I ordered a fingerprinting pad today.  It's time to take my prints again -- the right way this time -- and see what they look like.  I will probably scan them and put up a link so others can give their opinions on their condition.
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I got the pad today and took my prints.  The "white lines" I see are creases/skin folds.  The actual ridges seem to be in pretty good shape.

I don't have a scanner some it may take a while to get an image up, if at all.
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Seems I spoke too soon.  I found this from Dr. D which clarifies what white lines are.
Ridge height appears to be linked to many of the same cell processes that control glycosylation in the gut. Proper ridge height equates with a patent digestive track, while a worn appearance may signal digestive problems. Known as ridge hypoplasia, this is a situation in which the fingerprint ridges are reduced in height, giving them a “worn-off” appearance. These areas of worn off ridges are also covered with an unusual number of fine secondary creases that become visible, producing what are called “white lines.”


My prints indeed look like the print on the right.  So the question, "Why hasn't my gut healed yet?" is still the right one to be asking.
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Mycotoxins and heavy metals, I think. I would supplement with charcoal and chlorella/cilantro combo.
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So this is what i looks like. My Dad and mom has that.
I have one ridge on the right middle thumb its a short one.
The other two short ridges is on the left thumb.

Am I on the average level?

Sorry for hi jacking your thread TJ.


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So the question, "Why hasn't my gut healed yet?" is still the right one to be asking.

On page 73 of "The Genotype Diet",
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... shows a correlation between the appearance of white lines and celiac disease.  Typically, the number of white lines increases with age as gut integrity continues to deteriorate.  In many cases, these white lines begin to vanish with the maintenance of a gluten-free diet.



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really random stuff that popped into my head

ubiquinol -- for some reason, i think this really improved my prints

colonics


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TJ, who says your gut hasn't healed a lot already? Perhaps your fingerprints were even worse a couple of years ago. Yes, you still have a lot of healing to do, but that's not the same as saying you haven't healed at all yet.


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I think ruthie is right.  I still have white lines, but I can tell you my gut has improved.  Is it optimal?  Probably not so.  Why?  I think it's a very complex subject.  I'm not sure it has completely to do with gluten or not.  And then is it any kind of gluten or not?  Like I eat oats and they have gluten in them.  And then there is the kind of gluten that cross contaminates from being in the same factory.  But oats have their own gluten.  Am I going to stop eating them?  No.  They're a diamond.  And they make me feel good.  Although I do have to say I believe rice is the better grain for me at times.  But then there are times when I feel like I really need oats.  But I've bought the gluten free oats from Bob's Red Mill and I think I might notice that they actually feel better than the non gluten free oats.  So, there may be something to that.  Although I'm not going to abandon regular oats because the gluten free MIGHT sit better a bit.  Because really I don't know for sure if it's that or not.  I really am trying to learn to not blame my food for every ailment I have.  I think we can get to the point where this happens.  Do they have an affect.  Of course, but I think I ended up taking that notion too far.  Food is good.  Even foods that we think MIGHT be messing with us, really MIGHT not be, and we're avoiding just to avoid because it MIGHT be a good idea.  I'm not saying I think wheat is great.  It's not.  But I am saying, lets be careful about how much we blame food and to what extent it has had on our GI tract.  It's possible, that just getting older is messing with our guts.  It's possible that some kind of disease, like lymes disease is messing with our guts.  It's possible that heavy metals are messing with our guts.  It's possible that H.Pylori or some other unwanted thing like crypto spurridium is messing with our guts.  ON and on.  I think avoiding gluten or problem foods may help address these issues, but again, I think I've taken it too far.  Or, maybe not.  Maybe all my strict adherence has actually been to my benefit, and I just don't realize it.  That's possible too.  


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So this is what i looks like. My Dad and mom has that.
I have one ridge on the right middle thumb its a short one.
The other two short ridges is on the left thumb.

Am I on the average level?

Sorry for hi jacking your thread TJ.
NP Marc.  I don't think you have much to worry about with only three small ridges, but I could be wrong.  (I'm assuming that you mean creases or lines when you say ridges.  If you can only see 3 of the lines on your whole fingerprint, that is bad. )  I don't have any idea what is considered average!  I have several creases/lines on every print.  My right hand prints seem to be slightly worse than the left.

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TJ, who says your gut hasn't healed a lot already? Perhaps your fingerprints were even worse a couple of years ago. Yes, you still have a lot of healing to do, but that's not the same as saying you haven't healed at all yet.
I'm sure there has been some healing, but I'd have expected a lot better after this time.

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I really am trying to learn to not blame my food for every ailment I have.  I think we can get to the point where this happens....

...It's possible that some kind of disease, like lymes disease is messing with our guts.  It's possible that heavy metals are messing with our guts.  It's possible that H.Pylori or some other unwanted thing like crypto spurridium is messing with our guts.  ON and on.  I think avoiding gluten or problem foods may help address these issues, but again, I think I've taken it too far.  Or, maybe not.  Maybe all my strict adherence has actually been to my benefit, and I just don't realize it.  That's possible too.
Yes.  That's what I'm getting at.  It doesn't make any sense to me to suggest that gluten is the only problem.  There is absolutely something else in play that diet may help but won't fix.
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Absolutely.  


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A friend of mine posted some old pictures on FB today.  He was one of my youth leaders at church.  The pics were from 1991 when I was 15.  Now 15 year old boys tend to be scrawny, but even compared to the others, I looked sickly, pale, skinny, and soft (poor muscle tone).  This really has been going on a long time.
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Are you an ectomorph?  I am.  I can wrap my fingers around my wrist and overlap them.  I was always pretty thing growing up.  But I think that's OK for some of us.  


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Are you an ectomorph?  I am.  I can wrap my fingers around my wrist and overlap them.  I was always pretty thing growing up.  But I think that's OK for some of us.  
I am SO an ectomorph.  I've met people whose wrists are bigger than to biggest part of my forearm.

So.  I had a sort of melt-down on the 7th:
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Friends, let me tell you something. I'm sick of living in crappy apartments. I'm sick of driving crappy cars. I'm sick of not having the money to fix them when they break down, and not (consistently) having the ability to do the repairs myself. I'm sick of not knowing how I'm going to pay for the next tank of gas, the next month's rent, the next refill on my phone, or the next trip to the grocery store.

I'm sick of not being able to depend on my own mind to remember things or to work through hard problems. I'm sick of not being able to depend on my body to work and do things that need to be done. I'm sick of my brain staying stressed out over things I can't control. I'm sick of being a scrawny, tired weakling. I'm sick of being oversensitive to foods and stress and chemicals and allergens. I'm sick of not getting better results from everything I've done to get healthy.

I'm sick of not knowing when it's going to get better. I'm sick of being in pain -- body, mind, and heart. I'm sick of not knowing what's wrong with me, and not knowing how to fix it, and not even knowing if it *can* be fixed. I sick of knowing that I probably can't afford whatever it's going to take.

I'm sick of putting on a good face even when I'm not okay. I'm so very sick of being in this miserable place and not being able to do anything about it.

I don't know what to do about any of this, and I don't expect any of you to know, either, but maybe it will help just knowing that *you know* -- and that you know I'm not just lazy, deluded, or dishonest; that you know that I'm doing the best I can, but I don't have much to work with; that I've never had much to work with and it's just getting worse.
It finally hit home that I've done everything I can possibly do for myself, and that I had to get help from somebody else if I was going to make progress.  I don't like asking for help.  I don't want to be a burden on other people.  But what else can I do?  This is too big for me.  I can't make further progress by my own efforts.  I can't afford to pay for help out of my own pocket, and I don't expect to be able to until I'm well enough that I don't need the help so desperately, so I talked to one of my church leaders yesterday, who is responsible for welfare in my congregation.  He gave me some direction, that I needed to make a Dr. appointment and get a referral, and bring it to him.  He also wants my family to help however they can, so I talked to mom and gave her the phone number of the other guy (Craig).  (My family is in financial straits so I haven't asked them for the help I need, since I've already asked for so much in the past.)  I'm seeing Craig again on Wednesday, and managed to get an appointment to see my practitioner tomorrow.

I can't explain what a relief it is to finally have the ball rolling, however slowly.  My foolish pride has kept me from reaching out to those who love me to get the help I need and can't provide for myself.  Now that I have brought in those people to a degree, and can see good things happening in the near future, I feel like a great burden has back taken off my back.
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TJ, oh my, you have worked so hard, so long, on your own, to make your recovery work even to your own hurt! Many others would have asked for help long ago! I know the ray of light you are seeing would have to be overwhelming almost. I was just reading Ribbit's post a few minutes ago about holding things in......Human beings were not made to suffer in such dreadful silence! From your description of your surroundings I can't help but wonder how much mold and gas fumes you could possibly be exposed to day in and day out. If I had to endure an overload of such an environment, I wouldn't live long. Mold could be dealt with but the gas fumes would be another story. It could be from your car or from heating your apartment. Hopefully, you don't have either of these problems, though, because it would be hard for you to deal with them on your own without some help. I'm hoping for the very best outcome from your cry for help.


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TJ- I can totally relate to how you're feeling. I've swallowed my pride more times than I care to remember asking my Mom for financial assistance- with the kids, with the car, and just to bail me out of credit card debt when IMO it was just my own stupidity letting it build up in the first place (but always when I didn't get the expected child support, and I kept on buying like normal instead of cutting my expenses even more to the bone or asking for direct help when something really couldn't wait. I have no problem staying in budget when I actually GET the $200 a month he's supposed to give me!)

I'm glad you've asked for help. Remember that all things really come from God, and sometimes He wants us to do something other than what we've been doing. Maybe He wants you to be less prideful and more willing to rely on others. There's always a lesson in whatever life throws at us, but we're not always open to learning it.


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Yeah TJ.  I'm praying for you.  And I can totally sympathize.  Having health challenges can be very daunting on the physical and mental.  And then of course emotional and spiritual.  And I'm sure it's especially challenging when going it alone.  I pray that you have a wonderful support team, in the flesh, and not just on line.  And one that has been down the road.  I found a lot of people when I first started having challenges, couldn't relate and didn't want to.  They were people I ran around with when healthy and had lots of energy.  They didn't understand, and they weren't very compassionate.  And they were mostly church people.  So it was extra hurtful.  I had given myself to the music ministry in my church for over 5 years.  Serving consistently, joyfully, spending much time and effort. Saturdays and Sundays 3 or 4 times a month.  Sometimes I was the only one playing drums for a couple of years, unless I went on vacation.  Then there was a stint I was the only bass player for a year or so.  And when I got sick, they kept pushing me.  And I felt like "what have you done for me lately" type thing.  What I needed was support.  Here I'd given a good bit of time and effort to the church and when my health started to fail, they pushed, prodded, questioned and somewhat abandoned me.  It was tough.

I'm sorry, I'm not meaning to turn this into a "me" thing.  I'm just saying when I read your post, I was like, yep.  I totally get it.  And I'm glad you made steps to ask for help.  You may not get perfect help.  And it may not be exactly the way you want it, but hopefully it will at least be "helpful" to a degree.  Hopefully there will be someone that comes along side that has had some experience with health problems.  Those people are typically the most compassionate for others with health problems.  At least that's how it's been for me.  I get people coming up to me at church saying, I know such and such who's struggled with Lyme's Disease and they have a sense of how hard it can be on a person, because they saw someone they know get their butt whooped by it.  And they are completely compassionate to me.  It's very comforting and I'm grateful to God for those people.  Even for just their little bit of care and encouragement.  No matter how small or quick at the end of service or whatever.  We need to be that for other people too that are struggling.  Because everyone struggles with something.  It's not always health stuff.  I'm not saying we need to be out there if we don't have the energy to, but to just keep others in mind.   Which reminds me, I'm due for writing someone in my church an encouraging letter. I need to do that.



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I know it sounds silly but... I imagine it is something simple, yet overlooked.

Can we see any pictures, just out of curiosity?
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