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Melisa
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Hello!

I just received the results from a stool sample. The yeast/fungi overgrowth (taxonomy unavailable - may indicate ingested mold - that is what it reads) is at a level 4+ (the highest, which indicates 100000 pg DNA/g specimen.) I also have parasites, protozoa, high gluten intolerance (7.1,) low Elastase, high Triglycerides, low SCFA's, etc...

The ND has given me instructions to follow the anti-candida diet and take his anti-parasitic tincture and digestive enzyme,) along with a pancreatic enzyme and ox bile to digest fats/proteins (I had my gallbladder out seven years ago due to a congenital deformity in the ducts leading to and from it and also developed acute pancreatitis after the procedure. As the surgeon put it, "[I] have one of those bodies that does not like to be messed with.") Plus, I will continue the Quercetin Plus for my allergies (I changed from his because his has corn, which he did not know of until I pointed it out.)

He also said that he does not want me to eat dairy or gluten. I am confused about this and resistant to the "no dairy" because I am under the impression that dairy is beneficial for me, being a Nomad. We had discussed following the Explorer protocol until my gut health is restored.

Please help!

Thanks,

Melissa


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I don't know that I know what you want help with here.

It sounds like you need to do a lot of gut fixing.  I've been there, so know how it feels.  It is good that you are watching the ingredients for good and bad.  Once you get the gut under control, the real healing can begin.

If you want me to tell you to go against the practitioner's recommendations, I can't do that...  It may be that dairy is beneficial for you, but is not allowing your body to eliminate certain "bugs" and heal right now.  Why don't you follow the practitioner's advice for now.  You paid for it, so why not take advantage of it and see where it goes.  

You can change course, if needed, after you see it doesn't work (as long as you give it a fair test).


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If he didn't know about the corn i would wonder what else he does not know, TBO. is he a blood type fan, if not why not go see Dr D or a practitioner that he recommends if closer.

and what's with enzymes? does anyone know what Dr D thinks about them in general, be interested to know as I'm not convinced there are up to the job - but if Dr D rates them I'll stand corrected.

how long have you been on the blood type diet. the allergies seem to disappear when i have people start the BTD.

of course the big question is what you consider compliant diary to be, perhaps just include beneficial and avoid neutrals for a period of time?

And the quantity of wheat /gluten that is allowed. wouldn't do any harm to reduce dairy and wheat for a while. are B's allowed wheat?? I thought just spelt.

do you have swami - if not i would get it.  

How much sugar and fruit do you eat By the way?


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Hi Lola,

Thank you! And this is along with the SWAMI diet, correct?

Melissa


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If he didn't know about the corn i would wonder what else he does not know, TBO. is he a blood type fan, if not why not go see Dr D or a practitioner that he recommends if closer.

and what's with enzymes? does anyone know what Dr D thinks about them in general, be interested to know as I'm not convinced there are up to the job - but if Dr D rates them I'll stand corrected.

how long have you been on the blood type diet. the allergies seem to disappear when i have people start the BTD.

of course the big question is what you consider compliant diary to be, perhaps just include beneficial and avoid neutrals for a period of time?

And the quantity of wheat /gluten that is allowed. wouldn't do any harm to reduce dairy and wheat for a while. are B's allowed wheat?? I thought just spelt.

do you have swami - if not i would get it.  

How much sugar and fruit do you eat By the way?


He was visibly upset about the corn - he said that he ensures that all of the supplements are corn-free. It is possible that I some of them were derived from other things - their names were on the corn-derived list though. He is looking into it and will let me know.

I am in Northern California, so a wee bit far away from Dr. D. My ND is a supporter of the BTD, GTD, and SWAMI - he does SWAMI in the office. I did my own at home because it was the same price and figured I'd do it at home and save myself the office visit cost, since insurance doesn't cover nathuropathic treatment.

I have done SWAMi and 61% Nomad is what resulted. I measured and had a friend measure afterward - JUST to make sure I was not being biased. Because there are not a lot of folks with type B (perhaps) that see him, he is probably more aware with O and A genotypes (seems to me to be because his protocol is heavily based on O and A.)

Dairy - plain yoghurt, cheese (not processed and compliant,) butter, ghee, whole milk - this is what I consider dairy.

Because I have a high level of gluten sensitivity, I need to avoid it (it is celiac disease level, meaning it can and may have already caused it - I am not cutting into my intestines to find out - they are already "sick" and I do not want to create scar tissue or any type of dysplasia that can cause malignancies in the future.)

I use honey and probably use about four tablespoons per day (maybe more) in green tea. I try to keep the fruit to two servings per day and while I have been eating dried fruit, such as raisins and figs, I know I should stick to the fresh stuff. I drink red wine daily (or beer.)

Melissa

PS: Thinking about buying the GTD book so I can check out the Explorer diet - I gave my book to a guest at the hotel I am a director at because she was telling me about her degenerative disorder and how she has struggled - I really wanted to help her. That was the second book I gave away. )


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One thing you should ask your ND about is testing for mercury.  As I understand it, an overgrowth of candida is often times associated with mercury toxicity.  If you treat for the candida, you may release the mercury into your system where it can cause more harm.

Do a search on the forum for candida and mercury.  You will find a lot of good information there.  You probably are not toxic in mercury, but it is a good idea to rule it out.

Here is a link I found on an older thread:

http://www.yeastinfectionadvisor.com/mercurypoisoning.html


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Dairy - plain yoghurt, cheese (not processed and compliant,) butter, ghee, whole milk - this is what I consider dairy. forgive my possibly old notes but i though butter and whole milk were neutrals and again that would depend on the source.

Because I have a high level of gluten sensitivity, I need to avoid it (it is celiac disease level, meaning it can and may have already caused it - I am not cutting into my intestines to find out - they are already "sick" and I do not want to create scar tissue or any type of dysplasia that can cause malignancies in the future.)

I agree totally

I use honey and probably use about four tablespoons per day (maybe more) in green tea. FOUR TABLES spoons - there is your problem right there unless a typo! honey is 70 % fructose, more danger there than you supplements

I try to keep the fruit to two servings per day and while I have been eating dried fruit, such as raisins and figs, I know I should stick to the fresh stuff. I drink red wine daily (or beer.)

give the dried fruit a miss - more fodmaps, until you gut healed - also stip the beer (gluten sugar -fodmaps bloating) as for red wine - not sure about B's but i would avoid completely until you gut is healed and you have no allergy reactions.


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Quoted from Melisa
Hello!

I just received the results from a stool sample. The yeast/fungi overgrowth (taxonomy unavailable - may indicate ingested mold - that is what it reads) is at a level 4+ (the highest, which indicates 100000 pg DNA/g specimen.) I also have parasites, protozoa, high gluten intolerance (7.1,) low Elastase, high Triglycerides, low SCFA's, etc...

The ND has given me instructions to follow the anti-candida diet and take his anti-parasitic tincture and digestive enzyme,) along with a pancreatic enzyme and ox bile to digest fats/proteins (I had my gallbladder out seven years ago due to a congenital deformity in the ducts leading to and from it and also developed acute pancreatitis after the procedure. As the surgeon put it, "[I] have one of those bodies that does not like to be messed with.") Plus, I will continue the Quercetin Plus for my allergies (I changed from his because his has corn, which he did not know of until I pointed it out.)

He also said that he does not want me to eat dairy or gluten. I am confused about this and resistant to the "no dairy" because I am under the impression that dairy is beneficial for me, being a Nomad. We had discussed following the Explorer protocol until my gut health is restored.

Please help!

Thanks,

Melissa


No dairy for a Nomad? Yikes. That's bad advice.

Follow the yeast protocol instead of buying his expensive supplements.

Increase your consumption of coconut oil and have some full-fat yogurt everyday.
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That yeast must be happy with the 1/4 C or more of honey that it is being fed everyday!    Along with dried fruits, you're consuming a lot of concentrated sugars.

I'm also gluten intolerant and was advised by my MD to avoid dairy as well.  Evidently the 2 intolerances frequently go together.  I used to really be plagued by intestinal yeast overgrowth as well.

I have avoided all gluten for the past 2 years, which was a totally great change for me!  As far as dairy, I was able to just eliminate all cow dairy (except for ghee), switching to homemade goat yogurt (made with Polyflora B) and Manchego as my only cheese.  My SWAMI does not allow for very much dairy at all, but I eat the maximum amount allowed and thrive on it.  

I had to completely eliminate added sweeteners from my diet.  That includes honey and maple syrup.  I occasionally add 1 tsp of blackstrap molasses, drizzled on the top of a rice cake with almond butter, for example.  But that is an occasion rather than a daily event.

Dried fruits also fell by the wayside, as real candida feeders in my case.  I only eat diamond fruits now.  

ARA 6 is part of my daily supplement regime.



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Lots of good advice.  My Doctor is pretty convinced that dairy in general can be pro inflammatory and has no problem telling people with gut problems to just not do it for a while.  Dairy, wheat, and corn (which means corn syrup and everywhere else it is in processed foods).  fThe only dairy I'm eating right now is a little bit of butter every day.  Which is allowed on my swami, but I do less even at that.  But cheeses stop me up and I'm just better off with out them, I think.  That's not to say there isn't some wisdom and having some.  I guess it has byturic acid which helps kill yeast.  But then again, it seems like it might just not help at times.  

And yeah, honey to that degree is excessive, if fighting yeast.  I eat a tiny bit, read less than 1/2 a teaspoon with my grain every day.  I can't even really taste it, but I'm not convinced that it's all bad.  It supposedly can help digest your grains, and there are good things in honey.  But any sugars are going to ramp yeast up.  Including real sugary fruits.  I avoided most sugary fruits for a period of time when yeast was at it's worst.  Just ate lemons, limes, cranberries, grapefruit and sometimes fresh berries.  Dried fruit is much more sugary than most fresh.  Especially raisins.  

Having said all that, I don't agree with every anti candida diet.  And I don't think Dr. D does either.  Some of them have you eating just beans and veggies.  And I think there is controversy as to whether beans might not feed yeast also.  Many beans are high in starch, which is sugar.  I don't really get that line of thinking.  Some diets will tell you to lay off all red meats or meat in general.  Or just eat chicken.  Which for sure is not going to be good for you.  I think your swami is probably good to go, but you may want to tweak it, forgo the dairy or lessen it a bunch for now, maybe lessen the amount of sugary fruits and focus on some less sugary fruits and go from there.  And of course no wheat.  I wouldn't tell you to stop eating grains altogether.  But, they do have a tenancy to feed yeast, because they're sugar too.  But your body needs energy to fight stuff too.  So, a balance of what will work is the best.  More than likely if you follow the protocol lola listed, and use a little common sense, it will help and work.  And it's a process.  It doesn't have to happen overnight.  

But one thing is for sure, alcohol will feed that stuff quicker than any of it.  IMHO.  Well, besides a lot of sugar.  But alcohol is just fermented sugar.  And they'll have a hey day with it.  From what I understand.  Good luck and God bless!!!!


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I just posted this for my buddy Goldie But may be relevant here too, to get a handle on why things go wrong

watch both of these videos please.

Part One - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1owcjetxEQ&feature=related

Part Two - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8u9P32hVvj4

I am only recommending you watch the two videos nothing else on the pages.

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and rerun your swami


Lola - there is no section that I can see on digestive enzymes...just digestive problems, which is checked already.

The SWAMI may be stuck because of the white lines in the fingerprints. I will try to remove those and see....okay...did that and kept it at Nomad. I'm confused.

Melissa


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I just posted this for my buddy Goldie But may be relevant here too, to get a handle on why things go wrong

watch both of these videos please.

Part One - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1owcjetxEQ&feature=related

Part Two - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8u9P32hVvj4

I am only recommending you watch the two videos nothing else on the pages.

Dr D is the Master as far as I'm concerned.


Thank you!


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I am in Redwood City.  May I ask who the ND is?  I am impressed that he ran a swami for you.  I would like to see a BTD friendly ND in our area for my issues.  I think so far the advice above is all pretty spot on.
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Lots of good advice.  My Doctor is pretty convinced that dairy in general can be pro inflammatory and has no problem telling people with gut problems to just not do it for a while.  Dairy, wheat, and corn (which means corn syrup and everywhere else it is in processed foods).  fThe only dairy I'm eating right now is a little bit of butter every day.  Which is allowed on my swami, but I do less even at that.  But cheeses stop me up and I'm just better off with out them, I think.  That's not to say there isn't some wisdom and having some.  I guess it has byturic acid which helps kill yeast.  But then again, it seems like it might just not help at times.  

And yeah, honey to that degree is excessive, if fighting yeast.  I eat a tiny bit, read less than 1/2 a teaspoon with my grain every day.  I can't even really taste it, but I'm not convinced that it's all bad.  It supposedly can help digest your grains, and there are good things in honey.  But any sugars are going to ramp yeast up.  Including real sugary fruits.  I avoided most sugary fruits for a period of time when yeast was at it's worst.  Just ate lemons, limes, cranberries, grapefruit and sometimes fresh berries.  Dried fruit is much more sugary than most fresh.  Especially raisins.  

Having said all that, I don't agree with every anti candida diet.  And I don't think Dr. D does either.  Some of them have you eating just beans and veggies.  And I think there is controversy as to whether beans might not feed yeast also.  Many beans are high in starch, which is sugar.  I don't really get that line of thinking.  Some diets will tell you to lay off all red meats or meat in general.  Or just eat chicken.  Which for sure is not going to be good for you.  I think your swami is probably good to go, but you may want to tweak it, forgo the dairy or lessen it a bunch for now, maybe lessen the amount of sugary fruits and focus on some less sugary fruits and go from there.  And of course no wheat.  I wouldn't tell you to stop eating grains altogether.  But, they do have a tenancy to feed yeast, because they're sugar too.  But your body needs energy to fight stuff too.  So, a balance of what will work is the best.  More than likely if you follow the protocol lola listed, and use a little common sense, it will help and work.  And it's a process.  It doesn't have to happen overnight.  

But one thing is for sure, alcohol will feed that stuff quicker than any of it.  IMHO.  Well, besides a lot of sugar.  But alcohol is just fermented sugar.  And they'll have a hey day with it.  From what I understand.  Good luck and God bless!!!!


Thank you very much JJR!

I know I need to do all that...I guess I just needed to read it enough. The more I think about it, I shouldn't wait until January 1st to start the anti-candida diet and take the tincture for the parasites. I was worried about being tempted while away for Christmas - more so about the wine or spirits - I have a lot of friends who drink there and family as well. And, I've got to tell you, it relaxes me. However, if it is causing me harm, which obviously it is, I need to let it go.

The anti-candida diet states that I should not drink tea...I would think green tea is okay because of its antioxidants and natural enzymes...or does this disrupt the flora?

Thanks for all your support,

Melissa


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Green Tea is excellent.  I don't know if waiting is a bad idea.  That's only for you to decide.  Are you in danger right now?  It would be hard to change things if you're traveling over the holidays.   You can maybe curb it a little.  Whatever.  My concern is that if you go after it real hard, you may get die off, you may feel real lousy, and it may not be a very good time to upset that applecart if you're traveling.  So, that's my take on that.  And the holidays is a hard time to stay away from sweets if you're not already doing that.  

But that's up to you.  I'm not sure what the situation is exactly with your health, how dire it is etc.  Only you can decide that.  I would definitely take your doctors advice though.  It's just a matter of when.  Anyways, I've said enough or too much.  But you'll figure it out.  I just don't want you to stress about it, because that doesn't help either.


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Green Tea is excellent.  I don't know if waiting is a bad idea.  That's only for you to decide.  Are you in danger right now?  It would be hard to change things if you're traveling over the holidays.   You can maybe curb it a little.  Whatever.  My concern is that if you go after it real hard, you may get die off, you may feel real lousy, and it may not be a very good time to upset that applecart if you're traveling.  So, that's my take on that.  And the holidays is a hard time to stay away from sweets if you're not already doing that.  

But that's up to you.  I'm not sure what the situation is exactly with your health, how dire it is etc.  Only you can decide that.  I would definitely take your doctors advice though.  It's just a matter of when.  Anyways, I've said enough or too much.  But you'll figure it out.  I just don't want you to stress about it, because that doesn't help either.


I appreciate that input. It is very "stressful" to think about. Not that I follow what the herd does, I just know that I have been away from my family for quite some time. It has been three years since I went back to Buffalo, NY to see them and be with them.

I know there will be wine, champagne, and beer. And some inevitable stuff I "shouldn't" eat. I will make a concerted effort to avoid gluten because I know just how bad it is for me, judging by my sensitivity level and my practically unreadable fingerprints due to all the white lines.

The main things I think the yeast/fungi overgrowth (which could be from cheese I consumed the day before or whatever...just sayin'...) are allergies (environmental,) not being able to lose considerable amount of weight (I am not overfat, really,) and perhaps some energy. I do not get sick much (haven't had a cold or flu in over two years) and have been able to get by with the Quercetin Plus and Polyflora B.

I will start the pancreatic enzymes and the ox bile, as well as use Deflect while I am in Buffalo (in addition to the Quercetin Plus.) It seems crazy, but the only thing I am worried that I will consume is the wine or beer... nothing else. I like honey, but I can go without. NOT that I am addicted, because I have left the wine and beer (only Pilsner, which is made from hops and does not have gluten,) it is just a ritual for me and a "habit" I need to break for a while.

Thank you so much,

Melissa


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Melissa,
I am in Redwood City.  May I ask who the ND is?  I am impressed that he ran a swami for you.  I would like to see a BTD friendly ND in our area for my issues.  I think so far the advice above is all pretty spot on.


Hi there PAULA!

Absolutely! He is really fabulous (I sometimes take a while to warm up to people - I didn't always think this for my own weirdo reasons.) His practice is called Naturopathic Wisdom and he is Dr. David Hogg, ND. He is at:

1101 South Winchester Boulevard
Suite E157
San Jose, California 95128
Phone: 408-297-6877

His office assistant's name is Erika (she rocks.) They perform the practitioner version of SWAMI (I did my own at home, but the "clinical" version gets even more specific, and he ensures all of this supplements are allergen free (when I brought to his attention that some of the ones he gave me contained corn, he contacted the supplier to ensure that this was not so - and Erika called me the next day to tell me there was no corn and EXACTLY where the methylcellulose was from in the Ox Bile - I am still waiting for the other two.) He does not carry NAP products, but is open to them...he is considering carrying them, but his are good. He makes all his own tinctures as well. He gave me one for asthma and my wheezing went away without my rescue inhaler. His prices are reasonable and he has discounts for package purchases (yearly versus by appointment, etc.) He performs hydrotherapy in-office, massage, etc. He works with your PCP so if you have insurance, it will cover blood tests (I just email my doctor what he orders, if the lab does it.)

When you call, tell them Melissa Rojek sent you. If you want more information and/or to have a "buddy" in town, please feel free to email me at melissarojek@gmail.com.

Melissa  


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Lots of good advice.  My Doctor is pretty convinced that dairy in general can be pro inflammatory and has no problem telling people with gut problems to just not do it for a while.  



It is because of what the cows eat - IF you can consume dairy, in my opinion. I spoke about this with my ND and deduced that it was because the majority of the dairy widely produced in the US is corn-fed (which is a no-no - cows don't naturally munch on GMO corn feed.) So I get it.

I have never been a big milk person - I do not like how it tastes - yuck! I do like it in espresso and over oatmeal or something else. I remember as a child my mother fed my sister and I buttermilk on occasion because we seemed to like that better...but she was not a proponent of drinking cow's milk. My father, on the other hand, drank 1/2 gallon of whole milk everyday for about thirty years.

I can live with just kefir or yoghurt for a while. I will be okay. The cheese, I've got to tell you, I will miss a little bit. I have a huge block of Manchego in the fridge, a nice, raw goat's milk aged cheese in the cupboard, and some dutch Gouda. I will also miss mayonnaise, but I can make this homemade and then it will not be bad (the yeast diet says no to mayo...but homemade mayo is just eggs and oil and some salt.)

I will survive. Once i get back on track, I can enjoy it all within reason.

Melissa


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I will try to remove those and see....okay...did that and kept it at Nomad. I'm confused.


kept what at nomad?

did you not click the 'compute GT for me' box?

make sure you do that everytime


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there is no section that I can see on digestive enzymes


right......if you click on the digestive issue, the program will have all the enzymes computed into your food listings, no worries


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Melisa Hi,

I got the exact same yeast/fungus results back.....what does it mean exactilly...I know it means we do not have candida but can our symptoms be the same as if we had candida....I have all the candida symptoms and thought for sure the test would come back positive for candida but instead it came back yeast/fungus positive toxicology unknown just like yours...... did your ND say what that meant  my ND gave me no insight, said she really did not know what that meant...Oh Ok great thanks...lol

would we treat it the same way they would treat candida? do you have any symptoms? mine are terrible bloating after every meal, stomache gas, ibs like symptoms, muscle aches, joint pain, cant lose the water weight......how about you...it is nice to see someone else with the same results....

hope to hear from you
All the best Lisa
  
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kept what at nomad?

did you not click the 'compute GT for me' box?

make sure you do that everytime


Yes Lola - I do have it at "compute Genotype" every time....I swear! I have changed every variable just to "see" if it budges - NOTHING. I remain a Nomad each and every time. I change the maladies, the measurements, etc, sometimes, just to see - and Nomad reigns. It's pretty funny.

Melissa


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Melisa Hi,

I got the exact same yeast/fungus results back.....what does it mean exactilly...I know it means we do not have candida but can our symptoms be the same as if we had candida....I have all the candida symptoms and thought for sure the test would come back positive for candida but instead it came back yeast/fungus positive toxicology unknown just like yours...... did your ND say what that meant  my ND gave me no insight, said she really did not know what that meant...Oh Ok great thanks...lol

would we treat it the same way they would treat candida? do you have any symptoms? mine are terrible bloating after every meal, stomache gas, ibs like symptoms, muscle aches, joint pain, cant lose the water weight......how about you...it is nice to see someone else with the same results....

hope to hear from you
All the best Lisa
  


i Lisa!

Thanks for the message. What it states on my report to the right (in the description of the results/findings) is that "it may indicate ingested mold." My level is the highest it can be (4+,) which indicates, according to the ND and what I have read, that it has most likely been proliferating for quite some time - probably since childhood.

I have been chronically ill with allergies - environmental - since I was six weeks old. I had visible symptoms as an infant. My mother had to have my diapers triple washed without detergent because my skin was so sensitive. Just about eveything made me sick. I was also intolerant to the cow's milk formula I was fed and switched to soy formula, which I was kept on until 15 months old.

I always had allergies and skin rashes and infections. I always had digestive problems. As an infant, I had one bowel movement a day and had terrible gas and bloating. Once I got older, I would have a bowel movement every three days (if I was lucky.) I went seven days without one when I was 12 and had to extract it manually. This is when I became obsessed with enemas, suppositories, and laxatives if I did not see something in three days (the "Golden Rule," per my mother.) I also had a lot of diarrhea. Feast or famine.

I had chronic sinusitis my entire childhood, adolescence, and young adult life. I became antibiotic resistant due to it. I also suffered from migraines, fatigue, depression, atopic dermatitis, and much more.I still have allergies to environmental substances and suffer from the occasional flare-up of atopy (this usually happens when I am really stressed, then once I am not stressed, my body releases "toxins" and this is what occurs for me - atopy - all over.) I also had chronic GERD and was taking PPIs for seven years (I just stopped about three months ago due to the GTD.)

Along with the yeast/fungi, I was also diagnosed with high gluten intolerance and probably have celiac disease (I will not biopsy the intestines.) I have been trying to lose 25 pounds (even just ten or fifteen) for about four years now. I do retain water sometimes as well.

I would have to say that since I started following the BTD/GTD/SWAMI, I have improved my overall health. However, having type B blood and being a Nomad, I am very adept at visualization. I have been "psyching myself out" for years into feeling well. I hope that makes sense.

I was told by my ND to do the anti-yeast diet, which is very high in vegetables, meat, fish, and poultry, low in fruit, and void of processed foods, sugars, etc. If you want me to send the diet to you, I can. I will adjust it to my SWAMI list.

Melissa


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I always had digestive problems. As an infant, I had one bowel movement a day and had terrible gas and bloating. Once I got older, I would have a bowel movement every three days (if I was lucky.) I went seven days without one when I was 12 and had to extract it manually. This is when I became obsessed with enemas, suppositories, and laxatives if I did not see something in three days (the "Golden Rule," per my mother.) I also had a lot of diarrhea. Feast or famine.

I had chronic sinusitis my entire childhood, adolescence, and young adult life. I became antibiotic resistant due to it. I also suffered from migraines, fatigue, depression, atopic dermatitis, and much more.I still have allergies to environmental substances and suffer from the occasional flare-up of atopy (this usually happens when I am really stressed, then once I am not stressed, my body releases "toxins" and this is what occurs for me - atopy - all over.) I also had chronic GERD and was taking PPIs for seven years (I just stopped about three months ago due to the GTD.)

Along with the yeast/fungi, I was also diagnosed with high gluten intolerance and probably have celiac disease (I will not biopsy the intestines.) I have been trying to lose 25 pounds (even just ten or fifteen) for about four years now. I do retain water sometimes as well.



Hi Melisa,
So many of the things you have struggled with were also a part of my life and I suspect that Dr. D would see them as Nomad challenges:

digestive weakness - food sensitivities, IBS, chronic constipation, gas
                     gluten intolerance, cow milk intolerance, acid reflux
depression
chronic sinusitis
fatigue

The SWAMI diet has done more for me than anything else.  Most of the things on my list are no longer issues.  Stress is what I have to watch for and I do whatever is necessary to keep my emotions in balance.



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Please note that Mark's quote is from your yeast/parasite supplement thread...

Hi, Melissa.

I, too, had all the problems you and Victoria mentioned. As a B Nomad, I do very well with coconut oil. I was able to get rid of all the problems (including IBS and acid reflux) with coconut oil. It turns out that my symptoms came about because of a systemic candida infestation. I call it an infestation because that is what it is.

I had athlete's foot which turned into toenail fungus. I thought I caught it from a pedicure and swimming in public pools. Little did I realize that it was my immune system that was not healthy enough to ward it off.

I did a coconut oil cleanse by accident this summer. It was accidental because I bought the oil to condition my hair. I felt bad for buying a "luxury" item as a poor broke grad student so I decided to eat it for health benefits - yeah, the guilt factor. I was constipated from IBS at that time so I figured, it would have a laxative effect and help me lose the extra 10 pounds I had gained from steroids (allergy/asthma/sinusitis). Well, I ended up purging big time (diarrhea and eventually vomiting) huge clumps of candida. I saw rhizomes (the rootlike structures which means it was a deep cleanse and I got out fully grown candida). I was a biology major during undergrad and I worked with candida albicans. I am very familiar with what they look like, their characteristics, etc.

Ever since, I have been super healthy. I noticed that the skin on my feet peeled away after the candida cleanse (I had gotten rx for the toenail fungus so it cleared up) and had soft skin that would not crack.

Recent events led to a crazy schedule where I was sleeping only 2-4 hours a night and living out of the library. Needless to say, I ended up falling off the GTD and ate junk food and tons of sugary Starbuck's coffee. Well, the candida came back in the form of a nasty sinus infection. I took some coconut oil over the weekend, had a stomachache and runs (because the body is detoxing) and the sinus and allergic eye infection (which creates a discharge every morning) went away.

Coconut oil became a lifesaver for me because I was able to finally get rid of my memory and cognition issues as well as regain my physical health. I had some people on this board attack me because I had started a thread posting my progress. Some people felt that I was advocating and trying to sell coconut oil! They even went as far as to claim I bought stock in it. . I would rather buy stock in olive oil since all blood types can have it.

My advice - since you are a nomad, try the coconut oil. You will feel constipated and then, all of a sudden, unleash the toxins with diarrhea. I also had milk kefir, water kefir, and kombucha made from green tea to help the process. I cut out all white flour, sugar, etc. I was 100% compliant with my GTD foods and cut out the sugary stuff. I ate tons of probiotic foods (kefir and kefir grains) along with cabbage kimchee (fermented cabbage... cabbage is a diamond for nomads) with brown rice. I kept my food list very simple and did not eat cheese or mushrooms, too.

Wishing you good luck and good health!

Quoted from Mark
Coconut oil is all you need as a Nomad to get rid of unwanted critters.

My Nomad friend used it and expelled a gigantic worm/parasite. True story.

Add full-fat yogurt and the yeast protocol.



Quoted from Victoria


Hi Melisa,
So many of the things you have struggled with were also a part of my life and I suspect that Dr. D would see them as Nomad challenges:

digestive weakness - food sensitivities, IBS, chronic constipation, gas
                     gluten intolerance, cow milk intolerance, acid reflux
depression
chronic sinusitis
fatigue

The SWAMI diet has done more for me than anything else.  Most of the things on my list are no longer issues.  Stress is what I have to watch for and I do whatever is necessary to keep my emotions in balance.




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I am going to bold my next statement but others have also said this...

IF you do any sort of parasite/fungus/yeast cleanse, it is important to be 100% GTD/BTD compliant! My cleanse was really rough on my body because I was doing it in such a short time. The only reason I survived and healed quickly was because I was 100% compliant with my food and my gut was healing while my body was getting nourished.


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Quoted from Melisa
I have changed every variable just to "see" if it budges - NOTHING. I remain a Nomad each and every time. I change the maladies, the measurements, etc, sometimes, just to see - and Nomad reigns.


You have a very strong Match-63%. It would take a substantial change for SWAMI to compute a different GenoType for you.  Most likely you would need to change a number of factors at once for another GenoType to be computed.  (Well switching blood types could do it by itself-but that is a time locked field)


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Forget all those enzymes, take three tablespoons of extra virgin coconut oil a day..it will clear up your candida effectively..I can prove that, I've been using it on myself and on my son who is autistic and has gut issues, he'd never had decent bowel movements in his life until I started using this oil in cooking..now his bowels are perfectly formed and his allergies and gut issues reduced to almost non existent, it's a wonderful oil ..and as a B it's compliant for you
PS I've also used it to treat thrush successfully and any itching on the skin,


B+ Nomad, mum to two type O+ boys (21 and 14) and husband type O+
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Quoted from passionprincess
Please note that Mark's quote is from your yeast/parasite supplement thread...

Hi, Melissa.

I, too, had all the problems you and Victoria mentioned. As a B Nomad, I do very well with coconut oil. I was able to get rid of all the problems (including IBS and acid reflux) with coconut oil. It turns out that my symptoms came about because of a systemic candida infestation. I call it an infestation because that is what it is.

I had athlete's foot which turned into toenail fungus. I thought I caught it from a pedicure and swimming in public pools. Little did I realize that it was my immune system that was not healthy enough to ward it off.

I did a coconut oil cleanse by accident this summer. It was accidental because I bought the oil to condition my hair. I felt bad for buying a "luxury" item as a poor broke grad student so I decided to eat it for health benefits - yeah, the guilt factor. I was constipated from IBS at that time so I figured, it would have a laxative effect and help me lose the extra 10 pounds I had gained from steroids (allergy/asthma/sinusitis). Well, I ended up purging big time (diarrhea and eventually vomiting) huge clumps of candida. I saw rhizomes (the rootlike structures which means it was a deep cleanse and I got out fully grown candida). I was a biology major during undergrad and I worked with candida albicans. I am very familiar with what they look like, their characteristics, etc.

Ever since, I have been super healthy. I noticed that the skin on my feet peeled away after the candida cleanse (I had gotten rx for the toenail fungus so it cleared up) and had soft skin that would not crack.

Recent events led to a crazy schedule where I was sleeping only 2-4 hours a night and living out of the library. Needless to say, I ended up falling off the GTD and ate junk food and tons of sugary Starbuck's coffee. Well, the candida came back in the form of a nasty sinus infection. I took some coconut oil over the weekend, had a stomachache and runs (because the body is detoxing) and the sinus and allergic eye infection (which creates a discharge every morning) went away.

Coconut oil became a lifesaver for me because I was able to finally get rid of my memory and cognition issues as well as regain my physical health. I had some people on this board attack me because I had started a thread posting my progress. Some people felt that I was advocating and trying to sell coconut oil! They even went as far as to claim I bought stock in it. . I would rather buy stock in olive oil since all blood types can have it.

My advice - since you are a nomad, try the coconut oil. You will feel constipated and then, all of a sudden, unleash the toxins with diarrhea. I also had milk kefir, water kefir, and kombucha made from green tea to help the process. I cut out all white flour, sugar, etc. I was 100% compliant with my GTD foods and cut out the sugary stuff. I ate tons of probiotic foods (kefir and kefir grains) along with cabbage kimchee (fermented cabbage... cabbage is a diamond for nomads) with brown rice. I kept my food list very simple and did not eat cheese or mushrooms, too.

Wishing you good luck and good health!



WOW! I totally forgot about all the fungal infections I got as a child and teenager...

I am going to do that. One thing I thought I would make for myself is a chart with the allotted amounts of each food on my SWAMI - this way, I am not over (or under) doing any one particular food/beverage item.

I love my Coconut Oil - I buy Dr. Bronners with the husk in it as well - it is fabulous.

Melissa


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wow these coconut oil stories are amazing....i am a explorer, coconut is an avoid for me...but due to me have yeast/fungus overgrowth should i too use the coconut oil to rid the little critters....
if no anyother ideas for an explorer to  have great results with? thanks
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wow these coconut oil stories are amazing....i am a explorer, coconut is an avoid for me...but due to me have yeast/fungus overgrowth should i too use the coconut oil to rid the little critters....
if no anyother ideas for an explorer to  have great results with? thanks

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"I don't like the effects of one of the main constituents (lauric acid) on the cytochrome CYP4A subfamily (CYP4A11) when used by GT4; in particular liver peroxisomal oxidation, which is about the last thing GT4 needs in this world."

In English:

Some people don't do as well as others running a soap through their bile ducts.
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Interesting.  

I have kind of a bone to pick with all of this talk also, but I don't really want to offend anyone.  But I think I'll throw it out there in a respectful way.  

If you've detoxed yourself of candida with coconut oil, which is a good thing mind you.  But if you've done this and then it has returned in a short period of time from eating avoids, it was never completely gone, or under control.  Really my whole point is that I have a hard time believing you can rid yourself of it in a short period of time.  Especially when I think it's probably been present in most of us since birth.  That's Donna Gate's theory.  And from personal experience, I have killed it quick at times, and could tell, but I don't think it will ever go away completely.  I don't think it's supposed to go away completely.  There is a balance.  So, I may be just arguing the minutia, but the fact is, a short period of time of cleansing with any kind of candida killer, probably isn't going to wipe it out completely.  But there's nothing wrong with bringing it down to better levels that it's not creating havoc in your system.  


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I was wondering about the use of coconut oil too, as so many people on all sorts of forums rate it so highly for Candida, when i suggest that it's not ideal for all, dues to blood type you can imagine the response lol.

having said that it isn't an avoid on my swami. it's a neutral although there is always a risk that my input data is wrong in some way.

My next question is - does using any oil not have the same or similar effects. i use flax oil and have just ordered a load of hemp oil. trying these on me then Emily anyway for other benefits.

we seem to be slowly getting rid of any overgrowth by eating correctly and the odd use of supplements like intrinsa.


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If you've detoxed yourself of candida with coconut oil, which is a good thing mind you.  But if you've done this and then it has returned in a short period of time from eating avoids, it was never completely gone, or under control.  Really my whole point is that I have a hard time believing you can rid yourself of it in a short period of time.  Especially when I think it's probably been present in most of us since birth.  That's Donna Gate's theory.  And from personal experience, I have killed it quick at times, and could tell, but I don't think it will ever go away completely.  I don't think it's supposed to go away completely.  There is a balance.  So, I may be just arguing the minutia, but the fact is, a short period of time of cleansing with any kind of candida killer, probably isn't going to wipe it out completely.  But there's nothing wrong with bringing it down to better levels that it's not creating havoc in your system.  


It's a normal part of our internal flora.  Keeping it in balance is the key.

I compare it to a garden.  Weeds are a normal part of the earth and if we kill all the weeds in order to grow flowers or vegetables, things are going to be imbalanced in the other direction.  



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I'm not sure about all oils.  But about 5 years ago when I was going after it with recommendations from an ND, he had me on this regiment of 2 teaspoons of Capryl oil with some psyllium powder and bentonite.  All mixed up.  Well, the bentonite was separate I think.  But the Capryl oil has caprylic acid in it that kills it.  It seemed to work well at the time.  I think the intrinsa has caprylic acid, maybe????  I forget.  But I've used intrinsa too, and it is a great product I believe.  


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Yes there is caprylic acid in intrinsia and it is great. that's what i used for myself.


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Hi, JJR.

I don't think we clarified what it means to "detox" ourselves of candida. As Others have mentioned, candida is a natural and normal part of our flora. When it gets out of control, it wreaks havoc in our bodies. Candida has mercury binding qualities so it is not necessarily an evil enemy that should NEVER be in the body.

Detoxing candida means to control the overgrowth. Coconut oil has been amazing in doing that for me and others. Avoids did not cause my candida overgrowth to return. Sugar and wheat flour did... and to me, those are avoids. I should have specified that.

In other words, I believe there was a miscommunication in this discussion. Please do not think that coconut oil will eradicate candida completely. It will control the overgrowth so it does not become a chronic and systemic issue. Coconut oil was my silver bullet but I am sure others cannot use coconut oil in the manner that I did due to compliance issues. However, there are other means to control candida.

I was only sharing my personal experience and am not saying that my approach is the only approach. I am sure there are plenty of other ways. For me, it happened by accident and it was a pleasant surprise.

My candida is under control to the extent that I do not have allergies, sinus infections, and gut issues. So, yes, I "detoxed" the overgrowth. I need to keep in mind, as others here, too, that once my gut heals, I know my body will be able to control candida much better to the point where it will seem "non-existent".   This is not about doing a series of multiple cleanses because it keeps coming back but a process where one controls the candida with coconut oil or other substances and heals the gut to maintain the gut flora and keep candida under control.

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Interesting.  

I have kind of a bone to pick with all of this talk also, but I don't really want to offend anyone.  But I think I'll throw it out there in a respectful way.  

If you've detoxed yourself of candida with coconut oil, which is a good thing mind you.  But if you've done this and then it has returned in a short period of time from eating avoids, it was never completely gone, or under control.  Really my whole point is that I have a hard time believing you can rid yourself of it in a short period of time.  Especially when I think it's probably been present in most of us since birth.  That's Donna Gate's theory.  And from personal experience, I have killed it quick at times, and could tell, but I don't think it will ever go away completely.  I don't think it's supposed to go away completely.  There is a balance.  So, I may be just arguing the minutia, but the fact is, a short period of time of cleansing with any kind of candida killer, probably isn't going to wipe it out completely.  But there's nothing wrong with bringing it down to better levels that it's not creating havoc in your system.  




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I think you hit the nail on the head.  In the past it just seemed like you thought it was all gone after a month of detoxing.  Which I found completely hard to fathom.  I suppose it's possible, but doesn't seem likely to me.  But you seem to understand it the same way I do.  And your experience is very valued and significant here.  I just wanted to say that.  

I'm at the point where I don't think the amount I have is doing havoc, but I know it's there.  But at this point, I'm so underweight due to not eating enough, I'm focusing on eating more.  All good foods, but my swami and my digestion (staying regular) seem to like fruits.  I'm supposed to eat 4 servings a day.  I don't get that much usually.  Although I don't usually get the 6 servings of veggies.  I get pretty close on both.  But my body seems to want more caloric dense foods, like meats and nuts.  And grains.  I'm not doing any more than my swami says on grains, but I am on nuts.  I just don't know how else to get around it.  But anyways...  that's enough about me.  I'm repeating myself for the sake of nothing I guess.  Hehehhee  I was just letting you know where I'm at.  As far as candida goes though, Refined sugar is horrible in me.  Like cakes.  It's been a long time since I've tried them, but they clearly make me feel lousy.  Racing heart, weakness immediately after eating, scratchy voice, etc.


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I will post this again - candida loves and binds to mercury.  Check for mercury before you try to eliminate the candida - otherwise it could release the mercury.  Of course, one does not always have mercury toxicity with candida, but it is best to be safe, IMHO.

Also, if you did a candida cleanse and it comes back, check for mercury.

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I think most people assume that candida will completely disappear with a detox. I, for sure, know it never will. It is more about keeping it under control. It is only when it gets out of control, that people develop health issues. Most people do not understand it this way and unfortunately, a lot of websites talk about completely eradicating candida for good rather than keeping it under control. Oh well...

Sugar and wheat flour did me in. It fed whatever bits of candida that was inside of me and enabled it to grow out of control. It manifested as a nasty sinus infection but 3 tablespoons of coconut oil was all it took. I am drinking another sugary coffee drink from Starbuck's at the moment and am okay... thus far.

I am going to do another cleanse when I am moved and settled in. That way, I can eat sugar and wheat free foods which will really lower the candida level.

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I think you hit the nail on the head.  In the past it just seemed like you thought it was all gone after a month of detoxing.  Which I found completely hard to fathom.  I suppose it's possible, but doesn't seem likely to me.  But you seem to understand it the same way I do.  And your experience is very valued and significant here.  I just wanted to say that.  

I'm at the point where I don't think the amount I have is doing havoc, but I know it's there.  But at this point, I'm so underweight due to not eating enough, I'm focusing on eating more.  All good foods, but my swami and my digestion (staying regular) seem to like fruits.  I'm supposed to eat 4 servings a day.  I don't get that much usually.  Although I don't usually get the 6 servings of veggies.  I get pretty close on both.  But my body seems to want more caloric dense foods, like meats and nuts.  And grains.  I'm not doing any more than my swami says on grains, but I am on nuts.  I just don't know how else to get around it.  But anyways...  that's enough about me.  I'm repeating myself for the sake of nothing I guess.  Hehehhee  I was just letting you know where I'm at.  As far as candida goes though, Refined sugar is horrible in me.  Like cakes.  It's been a long time since I've tried them, but they clearly make me feel lousy.  Racing heart, weakness immediately after eating, scratchy voice, etc.




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Candida will come back because of other issues and not solely because of mercury. Oil pulling with a mix of coconut oil and candida along with drinking kombucha helps to detox mercury and other heavy metals.

Candida does bind mercury. However, candida does not exist because of mercury. Candida feeds of sugar (and sugar from carbs) to sustain itself. Candida will return because of sugar intake... per medical journals.

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I will post this again - candida loves and binds to mercury.  Check for mercury before you try to eliminate the candida - otherwise it could release the mercury.  Of course, one does not always have mercury toxicity with candida, but it is best to be safe, IMHO.

Also, if you did a candida cleanse and it comes back, check for mercury.

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Candida will come back because of other issues and not solely because of mercury. Oil pulling with a mix of coconut oil and candida along with drinking kombucha helps to detox mercury and other heavy metals.

Candida does bind mercury. However, candida does not exist because of mercury. Candida feeds of sugar (and sugar from carbs) to sustain itself. Candida will return because of sugar intake... per medical journals.




True...and mine is "taxonomy of unknown origin" - so it is not Candida because if it were, it would show up on the report. I will consider the mercury test. I appreciate the information.

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True...and mine is "taxonomy of unknown origin" - so it is not Candida because if it were, it would show up on the report. I will consider the mercury test. I appreciate the information.

Melissa


Best to know, one way or the other, Melissa.  I am toxic in mercury and had some nutritional testing where yeast/fungus and bacterial showed up.  I just sent in a fecal sample.  I am betting that it is candida, which actually has a protective role in the presence of mercury.  I'm working on removing my amalgam and will leave the candida alone until I am mercury free.


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Best to know, one way or the other, Melissa.  I am toxic in mercury and had some nutritional testing where yeast/fungus and bacterial showed up.  I just sent in a fecal sample.  I am betting that it is candida, which actually has a protective role in the presence of mercury.  I'm working on removing my amalgam and will leave the candida alone until I am mercury free.


I think I am all clear of amalgam. I may have some in one tooth that needs a crown and another that has a crown (all of my newer dental work is mercury-free. I better check.

Thank you so much!

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I have 9 amalgam fillings and one implant which may explain my madness sometimes one wonders how i managed to spend tens of thousands on my teeth and end up with them tying to kill me. I mean the implant and tooth cost over £2,000 ten years ago. Nuts

I wonder if it makes sense just to get the lot pulled and dentures fitted.        


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I was terribly mercury toxic, per a fecal test.  Glutathione helped get rid of it, and getting my amalgams out.  Sure am glad they're gone.  I think they were really messing with me.  


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Eeek! Not fun! Glad you got them out. I remember breaking out into a rash from the mercury in the flu shot. That got me sicker than the shot itself (we had that discussion last time, JJR... hee hee).

I drank tons of kombucha tea which helps release the mercury. I had rash and hir shedding which are all symptoms of mercury detox. It was a sign my body was detoxing the mercury but I did not want my hair falling out! Ugh. Well, eventually the rash and hair shedding went away (mercury was taken care of) but it was not a fun experience.

I know my mercury levels are not crazy high or anything as evidenced by the way my body reacted and it is healthy enough to detox out the small amounts when I drink kombucha.

Overall, it was an interesting experience.

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I was terribly mercury toxic, per a fecal test.  Glutathione helped get rid of it, and getting my amalgams out.  Sure am glad they're gone.  I think they were really messing with me.  




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I think I am all clear of amalgam. I may have some in one tooth that needs a crown and another that has a crown (all of my newer dental work is mercury-free. I better check.

Thank you so much!

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Any root canals?


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I have 9 amalgam fillings and one implant which may explain my madness sometimes one wonders how i managed to spend tens of thousands on my teeth and end up with them tying to kill me. I mean the implant and tooth cost over £2,000 ten years ago. Nuts

I wonder if it makes sense just to get the lot pulled and dentures fitted.        


Don't pull all your teeth, PC.  That will cause other problems such as the bones under your gums to deteriorate..  Just have the amalgam replaced with composites.  If finances are an issue, you could do one or two at a time.  I have spent thousands on my teeth as well and I am in the same lousy boat as you  


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Yeah, just go slow.  From what I understand it's the better way instead of doing it all at once.


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Any root canals?


Yes - I have three.  

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Don't pull all your teeth, PC.  That will cause other problems such as the bones under your gums to deteriorate..  Just have the amalgam replaced with composites.  If finances are an issue, you could do one or two at a time.  I have spent thousands on my teeth as well and I am in the same lousy boat as you  


I have a LOT of dental work - I have spent around $6000 as an adult. This is not counting the Invisalign I have now. Ugh.

I don't know if I want to know what my Mercury level is. Yikes.

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So...an update:

I started the coconut oil seriously on Sunday night.

I am wondering if what I am experiencing is "die off." I am extremely lethargic and feel as though I will fall asleep right here. I went to bed early and woke up after eight hours of sleep this morning without the alarm. I am so tired...oh my.

Is this my body working or the toxins releasing?

Thanks babes!

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Please note that Mark's quote is from your yeast/parasite supplement thread...

Hi, Melissa.

I, too, had all the problems you and Victoria mentioned. As a B Nomad, I do very well with coconut oil. I was able to get rid of all the problems (including IBS and acid reflux) with coconut oil. It turns out that my symptoms came about because of a systemic candida infestation. I call it an infestation because that is what it is.

I had athlete's foot which turned into toenail fungus. I thought I caught it from a pedicure and swimming in public pools. Little did I realize that it was my immune system that was not healthy enough to ward it off.

I did a coconut oil cleanse by accident this summer. It was accidental because I bought the oil to condition my hair. I felt bad for buying a "luxury" item as a poor broke grad student so I decided to eat it for health benefits - yeah, the guilt factor. I was constipated from IBS at that time so I figured, it would have a laxative effect and help me lose the extra 10 pounds I had gained from steroids (allergy/asthma/sinusitis). Well, I ended up purging big time (diarrhea and eventually vomiting) huge clumps of candida. I saw rhizomes (the rootlike structures which means it was a deep cleanse and I got out fully grown candida). I was a biology major during undergrad and I worked with candida albicans. I am very familiar with what they look like, their characteristics, etc.

Ever since, I have been super healthy. I noticed that the skin on my feet peeled away after the candida cleanse (I had gotten rx for the toenail fungus so it cleared up) and had soft skin that would not crack.

Recent events led to a crazy schedule where I was sleeping only 2-4 hours a night and living out of the library. Needless to say, I ended up falling off the GTD and ate junk food and tons of sugary Starbuck's coffee. Well, the candida came back in the form of a nasty sinus infection. I took some coconut oil over the weekend, had a stomachache and runs (because the body is detoxing) and the sinus and allergic eye infection (which creates a discharge every morning) went away.

Coconut oil became a lifesaver for me because I was able to finally get rid of my memory and cognition issues as well as regain my physical health. I had some people on this board attack me because I had started a thread posting my progress. Some people felt that I was advocating and trying to sell coconut oil! They even went as far as to claim I bought stock in it. . I would rather buy stock in olive oil since all blood types can have it.

My advice - since you are a nomad, try the coconut oil. You will feel constipated and then, all of a sudden, unleash the toxins with diarrhea. I also had milk kefir, water kefir, and kombucha made from green tea to help the process. I cut out all white flour, sugar, etc. I was 100% compliant with my GTD foods and cut out the sugary stuff. I ate tons of probiotic foods (kefir and kefir grains) along with cabbage kimchee (fermented cabbage... cabbage is a diamond for nomads) with brown rice. I kept my food list very simple and did not eat cheese or mushrooms, too.

Wishing you good luck and good health!



Passionprincess -

What protocol did you follow? Did you take it with meals? On an empty stomach? How much? For how long? I am curious.

Thanks,

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Hi, Melissa.

I, unfortunately, did not follow a protocol. I used to have a thread about my "accidental" (aka inadvertent) candida cleanse. My candida issue was so severe I had chronic heartburn, sinus infections (bloody ones), memory and cognition issues, etc. I also had IBS and weight gain (mostly from steroids due to asthma and sinus infections).

I initially bought the coconut oil to condition my hair. I was trying to justify spending so much on a "luxury" item as a poor grad student on summer schedule (where we don't get paid) so I look for "other" possible uses. Since I was constipated and trying to lose the last 10-15 pounds of my steroid weight AND coconut oil is a diamond, I figured I would try eating it.

I was really constipated so I ate the equivalent of 2 large tablespoons (which is 1 tablespoon in my current utensil set) the first time around. Nothing happened. I was still sluggish and constipated. So, I just ate more. Around my 3rd or 4th spoonful (equivalent to 6-8 tablespoons), my stomach started to churn. I had a bad case of the runs. Or so I thought... I went to the use the bathroom and all of a sudden, I had to hurl. I barely made the transition. I was taking it on an empty stomach - first thing after oil pulling and brushing my teeth... followed by more in my tea, etc.

I saw huge puffs of white in the toilet bowl (had come out of both orifices). I am so SORRY FOR THE GRAPHIC DESCRIPTION. That was the candida.

After my initial purge, I felt energized but still a bit tired from having violently vomited and defecated (although it was more of an explosion). I drank water with a bit of lemon juice and went to bed. My kidney hurt from the crazy detox.

I was quite weak from the experience and had to drink bone broth with bits of brown rice and Korean kimchee (which has probiotic properties). I also drank water kefir, milk kefir, and kombucha because these drinks are known to kill of candida. I ate the grains, too because they eat candida.

I ate coconut oil and followed the GTD. I made sure I did not add extra sugar and "white carbs" such as white rice since it has higher sugar content than brown rice. I stayed away from beer, honey, agave, and carrots/potatoes.

I purged for a good 2-3 weeks naturally. I ate about 8-10 tablespoons of coconut oil daily. I would put it in my food, mix it into my tea, etc. I kept this up until I stopped seeing white flakes.

During the die off, I would feel tired, get sinus infections for 2-3 hours, itching and burning eyes, acid reflux, etc. I also got vaginal yeast infections (you can actually get some coconut oil, wrap a teaspoonful in plastic wrap, "mold" the shape into a tootsie roll shape, and freeze it... and then, unwrap it and use it as a vaginal suppository - just use a pad or it will make a mess in your underwear) during the die off. However, the "symptoms" were mild compared to the actual issues I used to have.

My purge and maintenance continued for a while. I was having 1-2 tablespoonfuls a day after I stopped seeing white fluffs in my excrement.

Everything was fine and dandy until I had to prepare for my doctoral exam and started eating sugary foods, coffee, wheat bread sandwiches (really fell off the GTD in the worst way possible). It took about 2-3 months of really bad eating for the candida to get out of control again. I took some coconut oil recently just 2 tablespoons and I started purging and my sinus infection went away.

Know that my case was really severe. My cognition and memory was affected because the candida was in my sinus cavity, gut, vaginal canal, urinary tract, feet, scalp... just everywhere.

After the cleanse, I lost most of the weight and my body started absorbing nutrients better, too. I was having trouble losing the steroid weight due to a vitamin d deficiency.

You should feel better after a weekend, even.

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FYI - My coconut oil candida cleanse was VERY violent. I would try following the Blood Type Protocol before resorting to the coconut oil cleanse. The Blood Type Protocols are much gentler and probably more effective.


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Hi, Melissa.

I, unfortunately, did not follow a protocol. I used to have a thread about my "accidental" (aka inadvertent) candida cleanse. My candida issue was so severe I had chronic heartburn, sinus infections (bloody ones), memory and cognition issues, etc. I also had IBS and weight gain (mostly from steroids due to asthma and sinus infections).

I initially bought the coconut oil to condition my hair. I was trying to justify spending so much on a "luxury" item as a poor grad student on summer schedule (where we don't get paid) so I look for "other" possible uses. Since I was constipated and trying to lose the last 10-15 pounds of my steroid weight AND coconut oil is a diamond, I figured I would try eating it.

I was really constipated so I ate the equivalent of 2 large tablespoons (which is 1 tablespoon in my current utensil set) the first time around. Nothing happened. I was still sluggish and constipated. So, I just ate more. Around my 3rd or 4th spoonful (equivalent to 6-8 tablespoons), my stomach started to churn. I had a bad case of the runs. Or so I thought... I went to the use the bathroom and all of a sudden, I had to hurl. I barely made the transition. I was taking it on an empty stomach - first thing after oil pulling and brushing my teeth... followed by more in my tea, etc.

I saw huge puffs of white in the toilet bowl (had come out of both orifices). I am so SORRY FOR THE GRAPHIC DESCRIPTION. That was the candida.

After my initial purge, I felt energized but still a bit tired from having violently vomited and defecated (although it was more of an explosion). I drank water with a bit of lemon juice and went to bed. My kidney hurt from the crazy detox.

I was quite weak from the experience and had to drink bone broth with bits of brown rice and Korean kimchee (which has probiotic properties). I also drank water kefir, milk kefir, and kombucha because these drinks are known to kill of candida. I ate the grains, too because they eat candida.

I ate coconut oil and followed the GTD. I made sure I did not add extra sugar and "white carbs" such as white rice since it has higher sugar content than brown rice. I stayed away from beer, honey, agave, and carrots/potatoes.

I purged for a good 2-3 weeks naturally. I ate about 8-10 tablespoons of coconut oil daily. I would put it in my food, mix it into my tea, etc. I kept this up until I stopped seeing white flakes.

During the die off, I would feel tired, get sinus infections for 2-3 hours, itching and burning eyes, acid reflux, etc. I also got vaginal yeast infections (you can actually get some coconut oil, wrap a teaspoonful in plastic wrap, "mold" the shape into a tootsie roll shape, and freeze it... and then, unwrap it and use it as a vaginal suppository - just use a pad or it will make a mess in your underwear) during the die off. However, the "symptoms" were mild compared to the actual issues I used to have.

My purge and maintenance continued for a while. I was having 1-2 tablespoonfuls a day after I stopped seeing white fluffs in my excrement.

Everything was fine and dandy until I had to prepare for my doctoral exam and started eating sugary foods, coffee, wheat bread sandwiches (really fell off the GTD in the worst way possible). It took about 2-3 months of really bad eating for the candida to get out of control again. I took some coconut oil recently just 2 tablespoons and I started purging and my sinus infection went away.

Know that my case was really severe. My cognition and memory was affected because the candida was in my sinus cavity, gut, vaginal canal, urinary tract, feet, scalp... just everywhere.

After the cleanse, I lost most of the weight and my body started absorbing nutrients better, too. I was having trouble losing the steroid weight due to a vitamin d deficiency.

You should feel better after a weekend, even.

Good luck and good health!


Passionprincess,

Thank you so much - and graphic is fine with me. I should have been a doctor...the more details, the better.

I like the idea of adding the coconut oil to my food as well. I am usually a fan of the dramatic...perhaps I should consider doing the coconut oil with the SWAMI.

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I have a LOT of dental work - I have spent around $6000 as an adult. This is not counting the Invisalign I have now. Ugh.

I don't know if I want to know what my Mercury level is. Yikes.

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Melissa, it would be better to know your mercury levels, IMHO.  Knowing this will help you plan your potential need for a yeast/fungus/bacterial cleanse.  Candida binds mercury.  If you try to remove the candida without first getting rid of the mercury, you will release the mercury into your system and you can become very sick.  This is called retoxification.  The candida is the body's way of protecting you against the ravages of the mercury.

Root canals can also elevate mercury levels.  If the dentist used mercury in the root canals, that mercury has direct access to the fluids of the body unlike amalgam, which is released through chewing, heat, etc.


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Melissa, it would be better to know your mercury levels, IMHO.  Knowing this will help you plan your potential need for a yeast/fungus/bacterial cleanse.  Candida binds mercury.  If you try to remove the candida without first getting rid of the mercury, you will release the mercury into your system and you can become very sick.  This is called retoxification.  The candida is the body's way of protecting you against the ravages of the mercury.

Root canals can also elevate mercury levels.  If the dentist used mercury in the root canals, that mercury has direct access to the fluids of the body unlike amalgam, which is released through chewing, heat, etc.


Patty H -

I looked into it and most root canals from the 90's forward did not contain mercury. I remember my dentist in PR removing some of my amalgam fillings. Also, when I lived in Lake Tahoe, my dentist there changed all of them. He did two root canals there, yet they were not apicoectomies.

I saw what my current dentist used when doing my crowns here and she did not use amalgam and none of my fillings are amalgam.

I will email or call the PR and Lake Tahoe dentists and see what they tell me. If they have mercury, then I am looking at 3 repairs. I am supposed to have the one crown replaced because of the margins, but I will do that once I am finished with my Invisalign (in a year.)

Thank you so much for your care.

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I started fighting yeast long before I had the mercury out of my mouth and feel I was better off for it.  It's all a process.  I would strongly recommend getting them out, because you might just be going around in circles with it at some point.  But, I think some "managing" of yeast is probably not a bad idea.   You can't heal all at once.  But also don't think it's a good solution to go after it with a vengeance (yeast).  I'm more for the find balance in everything so you can live type thing.  Because this part I think is where I agree with Patty H.  If you go after it real aggressively, thinking it's going to be completely under control in a short period of time, without removing a large source from your mouth, you'll end up just having to do it over and over.  That's just my thinking.  It might be my personality also, but I know that there were times when I was fighting yeast and all this that I felt so awful, that I wasn't good for anything.  But I also am diagnosed with Lyme's Disease, so......  That didn't help anything in the way of feeling good.  You might not have as many issues and have a heartier constitution for fighting yeast in itself.  Like Passion Princess!!!!!!  


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I started fighting yeast long before I had the mercury out of my mouth and feel I was better off for it.  It's all a process.  I would strongly recommend getting them out, because you might just be going around in circles with it at some point.  But, I think some "managing" of yeast is probably not a bad idea.   You can't heal all at once.  But also don't think it's a good solution to go after it with a vengeance (yeast).  I'm more for the find balance in everything so you can live type thing.  Because this part I think is where I agree with Patty H.  If you go after it real aggressively, thinking it's going to be completely under control in a short period of time, without removing a large source from your mouth, you'll end up just having to do it over and over.  That's just my thinking.  It might be my personality also, but I know that there were times when I was fighting yeast and all this that I felt so awful, that I wasn't good for anything.  But I also am diagnosed with Lyme's Disease, so......  That didn't help anything in the way of feeling good.  You might not have as many issues and have a heartier constitution for fighting yeast in itself.  Like Passion Princess!!!!!!  


I agree...and trust me, I am NOT opposed to checking if my mouth has amalgam in it and getting the mercury out. I am sure this had some affect on my health as a child and young adult because that is when I had all the mercury in my mouth (I had a lot of dental work from a young age, which is ALSO indicative of a systemic yeast overgrowth - dental caries.) Thank you for those fabulously small, extra white teeth. I certainly did not inherit my father's teeth (he has type B blood...my mother has type O.)

I do have a strong constitution. I am one of those people who pulls up her boot straps and makes the best of it. It must be a Nomad thing (haha.) I think that with time, I will be able to fix all of this. It is going to take a while - perhaps a few years. We live in such a toxic environment that we can only do our best with what we have...and it is my intention to do just that.

I am not going to be aggressive with the yeast/fungi (pathology unavailable - obviously not candida)...during the past four years, I have had one virus and the symptoms lasted two days, then it was gone. I cured my headaches and other problems with chiropractic. Chiropractic is actually what brought me here - the toxins released from all my subluxations, coupled with Dr. Abravanel's body type diet (oh my - chicken, lentils, and tomatoes galore,) were making me so fatigued I wished I would die (dramatic, but true.)

Diet and exercise has a huge effect on me. And how I manage stress. I can handle huge amounts of stress and actually work best under pressure, yet accept that this is a process. I do jump in and want to "fix" it all now, but know that it took 34 years to screw my body up and will take just a little while to bring it to a healthy place.

I think that the majority of my problems are due to the gluten intolerance (my fingerprints are barely noticeable and have so many white lines.)

I may buy some of that NO supplement - that may help my body to be more receptive to the diet, exercise, and supplements, since Nomad is my GT.



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Patty H -

I looked into it and most root canals from the 90's forward did not contain mercury. I remember my dentist in PR removing some of my amalgam fillings. Also, when I lived in Lake Tahoe, my dentist there changed all of them. He did two root canals there, yet they were not apicoectomies.

I saw what my current dentist used when doing my crowns here and she did not use amalgam and none of my fillings are amalgam.

I will email or call the PR and Lake Tahoe dentists and see what they tell me. If they have mercury, then I am looking at 3 repairs. I am supposed to have the one crown replaced because of the margins, but I will do that once I am finished with my Invisalign (in a year.)

Thank you so much for your care.

Melissa


Melissa, please understand that just because all the amalgam is out does not mean your body is mercury free.  Find someone who can check either your urine or your hair.  Then at least you will know where you stand.  

You are definitely on the right track!



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Melissa, please understand that just because all the amalgam is out does not mean your body is mercury free.  Find someone who can check either your urine or your hair.  Then at least you will know where you stand.  

You are definitely on the right track!



Will do!

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I took the NO for a while.  It's good stuff.


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I took the NO for a while.  It's good stuff.


JJR -

Thanks for sharing...I think I may.

I am quickly turning into the supplement queen. I used to believe I didn't need them. After the results of my tests, I'm thinking I had better embrace them in all their glory.

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JJR. Oh, how I WISH I could say I had a strong constitution pre-coconut oil cleanse!

The candida overgrowth had been my main problem. I was constantly sick and missing work days. Looking back, I do not recall how I managed to survive school.

One should definitely be concerned about mercury toxicity. However, just like candida, this is about mercury overload. IF the body is healthy, it should be able to detox out the mercury, just like controlling candida and preventing overgrowth.

I had a mouthful of amalgams removed about 10-15 years ago and replaced with composite fillings. I still have a few root canals with porcelain crowns. Root canals with crowns become a mercury issue if they are not sealed properly and releases mercury.

I had my first real run in with mercury overload this fall when I got the flu vaccine. I broke out into hives and my hair started falling out (not in huge clumps but enough for me to notice). It turns out those were symptoms of mercury detox. My body was trying to detox the mercury but it was overwhelmed. The detox symptoms were proof that was my body was functioning properly. The detox symptoms subsided when I drank kombucha tea (has properties that detox mercury and other heavy metals) and used peppermint oil with coconut oil for oil pulling (peppermint oil detoxes mercury). My example shows that my mercury levels were not out of control. However, if your mercury levels are high, then, it might be wise for you to seek medical/dental advice BEFORE doing the candida cleanse.

Some people here have severe mercury issues so they might be hypervigilant about posts related to candida and mercury issues. You have to understand where they are coming from. They suffered for a long time and it wreaked havoc in their lives.

Bottom line, just be aware of candida cleansing, mercury overload, and other issues and how they may all affect your constitution.

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I started fighting yeast long before I had the mercury out of my mouth and feel I was better off for it.  It's all a process.  I would strongly recommend getting them out, because you might just be going around in circles with it at some point.  But, I think some "managing" of yeast is probably not a bad idea.   You can't heal all at once.  But also don't think it's a good solution to go after it with a vengeance (yeast).  I'm more for the find balance in everything so you can live type thing.  Because this part I think is where I agree with Patty H.  If you go after it real aggressively, thinking it's going to be completely under control in a short period of time, without removing a large source from your mouth, you'll end up just having to do it over and over.  That's just my thinking.  It might be my personality also, but I know that there were times when I was fighting yeast and all this that I felt so awful, that I wasn't good for anything.  But I also am diagnosed with Lyme's Disease, so......  That didn't help anything in the way of feeling good.  You might not have as many issues and have a heartier constitution for fighting yeast in itself.  Like Passion Princess!!!!!!  




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Supplements are great. Dr. D. writes that we should only take what we really need. I used to be so sick I would have about 15 different types of supplements only to still be sick.

The candida cleanse helped my gut absorb the supplements better so I only take vitamin D (for my deficiency) and magnesium (Dr. D. recommends this for Bs).... and Deflect.

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JJR -

Thanks for sharing...I think I may.

I am quickly turning into the supplement queen. I used to believe I didn't need them. After the results of my tests, I'm thinking I had better embrace them in all their glory.

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Supplements are great. Dr. D. writes that we should only take what we really need. I used to be so sick I would have about 15 different types of supplements only to still be sick.

The candida cleanse helped my gut absorb the supplements better so I only take vitamin D (for my deficiency) and magnesium (Dr. D. recommends this for Bs).... and Deflect.



Passionprincess -

I take the Quercetin Plus for my allergies, which also helps heal the gut (this is a HUGE step after relying on Allegra-D daily for quite some time AND rescue inhalers.) I also just started taking ox bile (500 mg) with every meal because I do not have a gallbladder (it was apparent I need something because of all the fat in my stool sample,) Polyflora B, and I added Deflect for the holidays and occasional slip-ups (hidden treasures that I don't know about.) I only take the Deflect when I think I need it (I took two this week after I ate a naughty beef hot dog that must have had gluten in it or a pork casing or corn - don't know...made my allergies atrocious - I took the two capsules the next day, which probably wasn't ideal.

My friend gave me Fucus Plus and it made me sick - ugh - heart racing and starving.

I will probably stay on the Quercetin for another bottle after this one. The ox bile is forever because I cannot grow another gallbladder to expel a bolus of bile after a meal as needed...it just drips and drips and drips (this can also cause a lot of dysbiosis, in my humble opinion.)

I will try to find a magnesium supplement without corn...which should be fun. I was given one with other stuff in it by the ND, but it contains corn. I told him it made me stuffy.

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I am quickly turning into the supplement queen. I used to believe I didn't need them. After the results of my tests, I'm thinking I had better embrace them in all their glory.

At least until your gut is functioning well and allowing the body to heal...  In your case, with the gall bladder out, it may take longer to get the gut flora in order - but I'm confident that with focus and persistence with your diet, you can get it handled.


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Finding the right supplements is key.

I used to be on Allegra-D, sinus meds with steroids (pill and nasal spray), eye drops with steroids, Singulair, Advair, and another inhaler (she called it "rescue" except I was using it 2 times daily with the Advair). I had a portable nebulizer that I had to use in between classes in the restroom... along with a packet of steroid pills for "just in case".

I was on antibiotics at least 2 times a month with bronchitis on a monthly basis. Things took a turn for the worst when I had pneumonia and a partially collapsed lung.

I was on those meds for a good 20+ years. I also used theophylline. I had to travel with an icebox to keep my meds within ideal temperature range.

I always had to take naps and had chronic yeast infections. I almost failed PE because I could not run for more than 20 seconds without dying.

I basically did not have a life.

I am glad you are finding the right combination. I am amazed that my problems were caused all by candida.

Wishing you a speedy recovery!

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Passionprincess -

I take the Quercetin Plus for my allergies, which also helps heal the gut (this is a HUGE step after relying on Allegra-D daily for quite some time AND rescue inhalers.) I also just started taking ox bile (500 mg) with every meal because I do not have a gallbladder (it was apparent I need something because of all the fat in my stool sample,) Polyflora B, and I added Deflect for the holidays and occasional slip-ups (hidden treasures that I don't know about.) I only take the Deflect when I think I need it (I took two this week after I ate a naughty beef hot dog that must have had gluten in it or a pork casing or corn - don't know...made my allergies atrocious - I took the two capsules the next day, which probably wasn't ideal.

My friend gave me Fucus Plus and it made me sick - ugh - heart racing and starving.

I will probably stay on the Quercetin for another bottle after this one. The ox bile is forever because I cannot grow another gallbladder to expel a bolus of bile after a meal as needed...it just drips and drips and drips (this can also cause a lot of dysbiosis, in my humble opinion.)

I will try to find a magnesium supplement without corn...which should be fun. I was given one with other stuff in it by the ND, but it contains corn. I told him it made me stuffy.

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Finding the right supplements is key.

I used to be on Allegra-D, sinus meds with steroids (pill and nasal spray), eye drops with steroids, Singulair, Advair, and another inhaler (she called it "rescue" except I was using it 2 times daily with the Advair). I had a portable nebulizer that I had to use in between classes in the restroom... along with a packet of steroid pills for "just in case".

I was on antibiotics at least 2 times a month with bronchitis on a monthly basis. Things took a turn for the worst when I had pneumonia and a partially collapsed lung.

I am glad you are finding the right combination. I am amazed that my problems were caused all by candida.

Wishing you a speedy recovery!



Thank you Passionprincess!

I was on the SAME regime as you - EXACTLY (quoted text.) I still have the nebulizer in the closet. I took it all. I stopped taking the steroid nasal spray when I ran out (after I developed thrush on my uvula from it - gross - and cut down to once per day.) I still have a bottle of 20 steroid pills some where "just in case" and basically have supported the pharmaceutical industry for quite some time. I was also on proton-pump inhibitors for seven+ years. Fabulous. I developed such a resistance to antibiotics that while I was on a strong antibiotic/antifungal, I developed an acelutis on my foot that started to spread, but thank goodness, never went further than a half inch. That's when I remember my mother telling my doctor (I was 17 or something) that he was giving me so many antibiotics (every two weeks for chronic sinusitis) that I was becoming resistant.

Whoa...it's interesting to "meet" someone with a similar background. I still carry my Xoponex in  my purse "just in case." There is nothing scarier than not being able to breathe.

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At least until your gut is functioning well and allowing the body to heal...  In your case, with the gall bladder out, it may take longer to get the gut flora in order - but I'm confident that with focus and persistence with your diet, you can get it handled.


I agree...the body is not meant for a constant dripping of bile. I am sure this has not helped. I remember asking my surgeon and GI doc for a supplement or special diet and they said, "Oh, you'll be better off because it will constantly drip" and "your body will adjust...in many cases it does." I don't think I have one of those bodies that adjusted. No sir.

This will require 100% compliance. And I just found out too that my TSH and Free T4 are low. These are also related to the gluten intolerance and gut damage, I am sure. I am debating whether or not to take a supplement for this.

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Hi, Melissa.

Recovery takes time and effort but it will happen. I was on so many antibiotics that the doctor told me my "next round" will be hospitalization. I always had acid reflux and thought it was normal. I had it since I was 6 or 7. I did not even know why food would come up like that and just swallow it (gross... as a kid, you do not question why stuff like that happens) so I did not get PPI until I was at the hospital for pneumonia.

My condition, it turns out was caused by the candida. Luckily, I did not have other conditions such a diabetes or anything else. My family medical history is quite good so I am lucky in that way. Everyone just assumed I was the family weakling.

I had athlete's foot along with fungal toenails. I took Sporanox and it cleared up but came back a little later (much milder, though). However, after the coconut cleanse, it all cleared up. Yet, when I had sugar and wheat, the "symptoms" came back, albeit mildly. I now know that I need to manage the candida.


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By the way...been using the coconut oil all week. Today I did oil pulling. And I had a small dinner of plain yoghurt with a small amount of honey (and the ox bile- yum.) And the rest of the coconut oil. My system is doing something. I feel nauseous. I can feel my stomach and intestines churning away. This is a good thing.

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If I were you, I would cut out the honey for the time being. I read on several candida sites that the sugar in honey can feed the candida.

If it is difficult for you, try cutting down the amount. I liked making my own milk kefir and drinking it plain. It is less "sour" than plain yogurt and has more probiotics than store bought yogurt.


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I have tried making my own yoghurt! Even bought a machine. I wanted to make it with the Polyflora B. After three botched attempts and so many wasted capsules, I gave up. I need to start again.

I can stomach plan milk kefir. Plain yoghurt is sometimes hard, but it is my favorite and I only buy plain - I prefer the full fat kind and think my body assimilates it better (funny that I think that because my SWAMI lists full fat milk and yoghurt and super foods - honey is a diamond ;o).) I did only put a little bit of honey in it (I had one teaspoon all day, which is 1/8 my normal amount.) I am weaning myself off of it and once this container is gone - no more for a loooooong time.

All in all - I did not have wine today at all (I am keeping all corked bottles closed) and had a beer with lunch (usually have wine with lunch and with dinner and overdo it - sad, but true.) I drank ginger root "tea" (I boiled it and drank it twice today - very milky and very strong - in the morning.) This is diamond on my SWAMI and has antiviral and antifungal properties. I alternated that with parsley "tea" to use as an astringent. I just had a lot of parsley and thought, what the heck?

I am going to have to find a better green tea to drink without honey. I have been buying Ito-En Matcha from Costco, but I think I need something sweeter tasting. If you have any recommendations, please let me know.

Melissa


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I am becoming obsessed...it appears...I guess it is easy to do on the path to wellness.

Wellness felt so elusive for so long - I thought all I had was my mental prowess to get me out of it. And look! No pharmaceuticals. Who'd a thunk? Not me, that's for sure.

Melissa


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Quoted from Melisa
I am becoming obsessed...it appears...I guess it is easy to do on the path to wellness.

Wellness felt so elusive for so long - I thought all I had was my mental prowess to get me out of it. And look! No pharmaceuticals. Who'd a thunk? Not me, that's for sure.

Melissa


I was just thinking about this earlier today.  Wellness felt elusive to me for most of my life.  I assumed it was a matter of luck - I never understood why I suffered so much of the time, while 'everybody else' seemed to feel fine.  I think I've always been on a quest for good health and once I found some things that are working, it's like I've stepped into the current of a fast-moving river.  
I don't have friends around here who have a clue why I live the way I do.  My friend last night told me that he chooses foods that he likes and tries to make them healthy, but I choose foods that are healthy and try to make them taste good. It's true - I'm completely absorbed in living my life for health, especially now that what I'm doing is actually transforming my body.



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If you are using coconut oil and it's not a compliant oil, why not just use intrinsia - which has caprylic acid in it?

"COCONUT: The medium-chain saturated fatty acids in coconut oil are potent antimicrobial agents, effective against fungi, viruses and many bacteria. The most effective fatty acids are caprylic acid (with 8 carbon atoms), capric acid (10 carbon atoms) and lauric acid (12 carbon). They appear to work by causing microbial cell walls to disintegrate.


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If you are using coconut oil and it's not a compliant oil, why not just use intrinsia - which has caprylic acid in it?

"COCONUT: The medium-chain saturated fatty acids in coconut oil are potent antimicrobial agents, effective against fungi, viruses and many bacteria. The most effective fatty acids are caprylic acid (with 8 carbon atoms), capric acid (10 carbon atoms) and lauric acid (12 carbon). They appear to work by causing microbial cell walls to disintegrate.


PC,

It is actually listed as a diamond super food on my SWAMI. I am returning the parasite purge tomorrow (hopefully, the ND will reimburse me even though he poured the tinctures there - i.e., not a sealed container) along with the very non-compliant supplements to take with it.

I am going to go with the protocol listed on the Web site for yeast/fungi overgrowth and will probably buy the gastro kit.

The coconut oil is working - it must be. My sinuses are starting to drain, I have a "yeast rash" on my hand (I always seem to get cleansing rashes on my right hand - weird,) I feel things moving (if you know what I mean,) my skin is extra dry, and I am thirsty - which tells me my body is detoxing and cleansing. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. I also am getting a little "grossed out" to eat it in the morning, which is just the yeast/fungi wanting to stay...hehe.

I was actually excited to find my favorite coconut oil (Dr. Bronner's) at Whole Foods on sale for $7.99. So I bought another jar. I may buy a couple more for that price.


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As I suggested a number of times, I do not recommend extreme purging with coconut oil. If I knew better, I would have taken a gentler approach.

On the other hand, after having much success with coconut oil, I am going to do the cleanse again in a few weeks when I am settled in after my move. I made the mistake of eating sugary foods and feeding the candida. It took a good 2-3 months to have overgrowth but no big deal. It means that my system has gotten much stronger than before and is not as vulnerable.

Quoted from PCUK-Positive
If you are using coconut oil and it's not a compliant oil, why not just use intrinsia - which has caprylic acid in it?

"COCONUT: The medium-chain saturated fatty acids in coconut oil are potent antimicrobial agents, effective against fungi, viruses and many bacteria. The most effective fatty acids are caprylic acid (with 8 carbon atoms), capric acid (10 carbon atoms) and lauric acid (12 carbon). They appear to work by causing microbial cell walls to disintegrate.




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As I suggested a number of times, I do not recommend extreme purging with coconut oil. If I knew better, I would have taken a gentler approach.

On the other hand, after having much success with coconut oil, I am going to do the cleanse again in a few weeks when I am settled in after my move. I made the mistake of eating sugary foods and feeding the candida. It took a good 2-3 months to have overgrowth but no big deal. It means that my system has gotten much stronger than before and is not as vulnerable.



At any given point for many of us (especially in this toxic world and processed foods,) there is a yeast/fungi overgrowth.

I'm not saying it's healthy, nor that I embrace it. I am taking the slow approach (which is not my forte) to this and want to do something that will have long-lasting effects...and also something I can live with. I will not lie - to have just one tsp of honey a day (while diamond in SWAMI) will be a little sad (this will be for yoghurt or kefir,) but I will have to do it.

Right now, I am only taking 3 tbsp of coconut oil per day. At the end of the day, if so inclined, I take more. It's funny how I am repulsed by it in the morning now - this must be because some of the overgrowth is dying off. And I say, ta ta.

Thank God I don't really consume sugar or eat processed foods. After the "all beef" frank, I have learned my lesson and I will be bringing my food to parties/events if I know the menu is noncompliant (or not eat there.)

Funny...the main reason I began this journey was to lose weight...then to cure GERD...then allergies. Who would have thought this would be life altering? It is truly a calling and will become part of my life - not JUST a gimmick or a fad. I have witnessed the difference in how I feel when I eat according to SWAMI and not.

When I am alive and kicking, with less wrinkles and no ailments unlike my parents, maternal grandparents, my paternal family through his mother's side, I will be grateful. Interestingly enough - the generations before my grandparents (with the exception of my paternal grandfather who died at 98 - B/Nomad most likely,) lived into their 90's and 100's. I must come from a long line of folks who are heavily impacted by diet and environment. While we all are, some are more so.

Melissa

PS: I feel the yeast/fungi dying as I key. )


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