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jayneeo
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Sure. I pm'd you. My detox was like a miracle....who knew these poisens could be removed? I have a feeling you're on the right track and will be feeling better soon.
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Sure. I pm'd you. My detox was like a miracle....who knew these poisens could be removed? I have a feeling you're on the right track and will be feeling better soon.


Thank you, Jayneeo!  The funny thing is, I am not feeling bad.  I feel great!  


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Patty H,

Oh my goodness. What we put our bodies through for a diagnosis, huh? It looks like you will be going through more than I have...although...I thought radiation was accumulative and we never really get rid of it...
Anyway, I had 25 pelvic x-rays in 1971 due to an injury/fall. I was in the hospital for a week and home in bed..in traction..for 2 months..with a ruptured disc.
Considering my sinus issues (3 ct scans in 2 years), chest x-rays, back x-rays and dental x-rays, I believe I glow in the dark!!!!
I have not considered professional help...yet...for detoxing but am talking to a friend who has...so...we will see.
Keep us posted, Patty! I will keep you in my prayers,,,sending healing thoughts your way!   


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Jayneeo,

So they can be removed? Please tell us about it! I really want to find as much info has possible. thanks


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Patty H,

Oh my goodness. What we put our bodies through for a diagnosis, huh? It looks like you will be going through more than I have...although...I thought radiation was accumulative and we never really get rid of it...
Anyway, I had 25 pelvic x-rays in 1971 due to an injury/fall. I was in the hospital for a week and home in bed..in traction..for 2 months..with a ruptured disc.
Considering my sinus issues (3 ct scans in 2 years), chest x-rays, back x-rays and dental x-rays, I believe I glow in the dark!!!!
I have not considered professional help...yet...for detoxing but am talking to a friend who has...so...we will see.
Keep us posted, Patty! I will keep you in my prayers,,,sending healing thoughts your way!   


Cajun, it sure sounds like you have had your fair share of health issues as well.  So sorry    I am glad you are talking to a friend about professional help.  No matter what you decide to do, it is a good idea to explore all your options, IMHO.  I think it can be expensive, so that is certainly a consideration as well.

Thank you for the prayers and healing thoughts!  I will do the same for you.  

If you would like, I can post more when I begin the amalgam removal through the chelation process if people think it would be helpful to understand the process I am going through.


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Patty, I read you ran up to 3 miles a day somewhere? Not sure whether I read that correctly.

I recommend the Maffetone Method for blood type O hunters. You may not be exercising correctly.

Give it a try.
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cajun, I had a really good chiropractor...one who was brilliant and into natural healing, nutrition, etc. and I went to him with my symptoms...he tested my saliva for metals and showed me his findings: several heavy metals were somewhat high. Somewhat????? I was experiencing metallic taste on tongue, flashes of blindness, interstitial cystitiis (urinary issues ) etc.......but the important thing is his treatment healed me in a matter of weeks......so the takeaway? Find a professional who is very knowledgable and follow their protocols.
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Jayneeo,

So they can be removed? Please tell us about it! I really want to find as much info has possible. thanks


Probably Klinghardt protocol. I've heard good things about it.

http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/9steps.htm
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Patty, I read you ran up to 3 miles a day somewhere? Not sure whether I read that correctly.

I recommend the Maffetone Method for blood type O hunters. You may not be exercising correctly.

Give it a try.


Thank you, Mark.  I will check it out!  


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Patty, I read you ran up to 3 miles a day somewhere? Not sure whether I read that correctly.

I recommend the Maffetone Method for blood type O hunters. You may not be exercising correctly.

Give it a try.


Mark, I just ordered the book.  Thanks for the recommendation.

I run/walk three miles, 3-4 days a week, which takes me about 30 minutes.  I am outside on hilly, uneven terrain and then on one or two days a week I lift light weights, do abs, leg lifts, etc.  I try to exercise 5-6 days a week, depending upon my schedule.  I like my run because I love to be out in the beautiful woods, so it acts as a stress reliever as well.  I enjoy the indoor weight and abs workout a lot less, but I do it.

I have been researching the barefoot running shoes, on your recommendation.  I would like to find a retailer where I can try them on, as I have very small feet and want to make sure I can get a pair that fits me.  I wear a 5 1/2 or 6.  Sometimes I need a 35 or a 36 in European sizes, depending upon the company and the fit of the shoe.  Most of their models start at 36.

Can you give me an idea of what you do recommend for O Hunters?


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patty, it was good advice.

sometimes people here bash anything that is not d'adamo, which is strange because peter himself is totally level headed and pretty zen with his peer group of doctors.

it is good for people to know that cilantro can mobilize mercury and lead and for some people this can cause all sorts of problems. there is an enormous distinction between mobilization and excretion. i think the other substance you were talking about is alpha lipoic acid, something that is in many of the blood type supplements, and imo shouldn't be there for precisely this reason.

some people do fine with the lipoic acid and cilantro, so it is a very individual thing.

technically though, cilantro is not a chelator. by definition a chelator has two disulfides on it which equates to a 'claw' that can chemically grab the metal ion.

this is not to say that there aren't other ways of excreting heavy metals, but that is different from chelation.

i was put on alpha lipoic acid many years ago by someone who did not understand the chemistry properly and it really did a number on me.

some things you don't want to be casual with are mercury, lead, radiation.

you might want to read andrew cutler's books for more info on the subject
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Mark, I just ordered the book.  Thanks for the recommendation.

I run/walk three miles, 3-4 days a week, which takes me about 30 minutes.  I am outside on hilly, uneven terrain and then on one or two days a week I lift light weights, do abs, leg lifts, etc.  I try to exercise 5-6 days a week, depending upon my schedule.  I like my run because I love to be out in the beautiful woods, so it acts as a stress reliever as well.  I enjoy the indoor weight and abs workout a lot less, but I do it.

I have been researching the barefoot running shoes, on your recommendation.  I would like to find a retailer where I can try them on, as I have very small feet and want to make sure I can get a pair that fits me.  I wear a 5 1/2 or 6.  Sometimes I need a 35 or a 36 in European sizes, depending upon the company and the fit of the shoe.  Most of their models start at 36.

Can you give me an idea of what you do recommend for O Hunters?


Just find a Vibram retailer and have them help you. Don't buy it online. Fitting for a Vibram is very strange. Sometimes a complete Vibram line won't fit you, simply because your feet are too broad or too narrow.
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patty, it was good advice.

sometimes people here bash anything that is not d'adamo, which is strange because peter himself is totally level headed and pretty zen with his peer group of doctors.

it is good for people to know that cilantro can mobilize mercury and lead and for some people this can cause all sorts of problems. there is an enormous distinction between mobilization and excretion. i think the other substance you were talking about is alpha lipoic acid, something that is in many of the blood type supplements, and imo shouldn't be there for precisely this reason.

some people do fine with the lipoic acid and cilantro, so it is a very individual thing.

technically though, cilantro is not a chelator. by definition a chelator has two disulfides on it which equates to a 'claw' that can chemically grab the metal ion.

this is not to say that there aren't other ways of excreting heavy metals, but that is different from chelation.

i was put on alpha lipoic acid many years ago by someone who did not understand the chemistry properly and it really did a number on me.

some things you don't want to be casual with are mercury, lead, radiation.

you might want to read andrew cutler's books for more info on the subject


Thank you for sharing this, weroflu.  You are exactly correct.  The second substance he talked about when I brought up the cilantro pesto was alpha lipoic acid.  I was scribbling notes so fast that I missed it, but I definitely recognize the name.

And yes, the way you described it is what he said - mobilization and excretion are two different things.  I will definitely check out Andrew Cutler's books!  According to Dr. Nash my lead and mercury are over twice the 95th percentile for females according to the CDC most recent data.  This is nothing to try on my own  

If you have anything else to share, I would greatly appreciate your input!

Patty


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Just find a Vibram retailer and have them help you. Don't buy it online. Fitting for a Vibram is very strange. Sometimes a complete Vibram line won't fit you, simply because your feet are too broad or too narrow.


Thanks, Mark.  There are several in my area.  I will go shopping tomorrow!

Patty


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I take Pectasol Chelation Complex daily as a general detoxifier for heavy metals, pesticides, etc.

http://www.econugenics.com/p-70-pectasol-chelation-complex.aspx


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Patty,
The acupuncturist told me I have mercury and has been helping me with that. I suspect I have toxins from years of eating the wrong food also, I was told that gluten can take a while to detox.  I grew up in the UK where the NIH dentists were quick to put silver fillings and almost every tooth had one, some tiny but still a lot.
I also was told I had a fair bit of radiation. I guess we all do with all the electronic stuff, perhaps some of us hold it more than others??
Your information about adding fish oils to the cilantro/chlorella sounds like it makes sense and I was recommended to get more fish oil and plenty of Vitamin D also.  The weak liver/kidneys, and gall bladder issues are also noted by the Acupuncturist.  
Lin


Gluten/Casein and Yeast sensitivity.
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some safe things to try on your own are bentonite internally and baths, and also saunas. the saunas are slow but they work over time and don't tax any of your internal organs.

the cutler books are in a league of their own in understanding the chemistry of heavy metals. i had to read the first book almost a dozen times before i understood it. be on the lookout for how sulfur foods affect your health, garlic, onions, cabbage, eggs. according the dr. cutler all mercury toxic people swing polar in one extreme to their reaction to dietary sulfur. so you will probably either feel really good or really bad on these foods. too much info to post here in a soundbite.

you might also want to look into dr. buttar whose son went on congressional record as being cured of autism via dmps chelation.

in the end i couldn't tolerate the chelators, even just a few milligrams of lipoic acid is too mjuch for me, so i do the saunas instead.

there are many roads to success; there was one person on this board that used the btd  successfully to deal with heavy metals.

dr. klinghardt is now using some sort of micronized silica to bind metals in the gut, i wonder if that works. the product is ridiculously expensive though.
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patty, it was good advice.

sometimes people here bash anything that is not d'adamo, which is strange because peter himself is totally level headed and pretty zen with his peer group of doctors.

it is good for people to know that cilantro can mobilize mercury and lead and for some people this can cause all sorts of problems. there is an enormous distinction between mobilization and excretion. i think the other substance you were talking about is alpha lipoic acid, something that is in many of the blood type supplements, and imo shouldn't be there for precisely this reason.

some people do fine with the lipoic acid and cilantro, so it is a very individual thing.

technically though, cilantro is not a chelator. by definition a chelator has two disulfides on it which equates to a 'claw' that can chemically grab the metal ion.

this is not to say that there aren't other ways of excreting heavy metals, but that is different from chelation.

i was put on alpha lipoic acid many years ago by someone who did not understand the chemistry properly and it really did a number on me.

some things you don't want to be casual with are mercury, lead, radiation.
I appreciate the fact that you posted on all this Patty!! I had no idea re all this concerning cilantro & heavy metals etc & the binding effect!!
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I appreciate the fact that you posted on all this Patty!! I had no idea re all this concerning cilantro & heavy metals etc & the binding effect!!




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Patty,
The acupuncturist told me I have mercury and has been helping me with that. I suspect I have toxins from years of eating the wrong food also, I was told that gluten can take a while to detox.  I grew up in the UK where the NIH dentists were quick to put silver fillings and almost every tooth had one, some tiny but still a lot.
I also was told I had a fair bit of radiation. I guess we all do with all the electronic stuff, perhaps some of us hold it more than others??
Your information about adding fish oils to the cilantro/chlorella sounds like it makes sense and I was recommended to get more fish oil and plenty of Vitamin D also.  The weak liver/kidneys, and gall bladder issues are also noted by the Acupuncturist.  
Lin


Lin, it sounds like your acupuncturist knows what they are doing.  Good luck and keep us informed of your progress.


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I take Pectasol Chelation Complex daily as a general detoxifier for heavy metals, pesticides, etc.

http://www.econugenics.com/p-70-pectasol-chelation-complex.aspx


Thanks Chloe.  For now I think I am going to wait to try anything on my own, but once the amalgam has been removed, I will check this out!


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some safe things to try on your own are bentonite internally and baths, and also saunas. the saunas are slow but they work over time and don't tax any of your internal organs.

the cutler books are in a league of their own in understanding the chemistry of heavy metals. i had to read the first book almost a dozen times before i understood it. be on the lookout for how sulfur foods affect your health, garlic, onions, cabbage, eggs. according the dr. cutler all mercury toxic people swing polar in one extreme to their reaction to dietary sulfur. so you will probably either feel really good or really bad on these foods. too much info to post here in a soundbite.

you might also want to look into dr. buttar whose son went on congressional record as being cured of autism via dmps chelation.

in the end i couldn't tolerate the chelators, even just a few milligrams of lipoic acid is too mjuch for me, so i do the saunas instead.

there are many roads to success; there was one person on this board that used the btd  successfully to deal with heavy metals.

dr. klinghardt is now using some sort of micronized silica to bind metals in the gut, i wonder if that works. the product is ridiculously expensive though.


I ordered Andrew Cutler's book yesterday.  Wish I had read this earlier . . . I am not a chemist, so it sounds like I might have a difficult time understanding it.  Oh well  

I have heard about the clay baths and saunas.  In fact they were discussed at the seminar.

I don't seem to have a problem with any of the foods you listed, but as we all know, that can change.  In fact, onions used to bother my stomach.  Now I can eat them with no problem.

Thanks again for the info.


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Probably Klinghardt protocol. I've heard good things about it.

http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/9steps.htm


Mark, below is a quote from the link you provided specifically talking about re-toxification with cilantro.  It goes on to state that cilantro should be taken with chlorella.

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Cilantro (Chinese Parsley)

This kitchen herb is capable of mobilizing mercury, cadmium, lead and aluminum in both bones and the central nervous system. It is probably the only effective agent in mobilizing mercury stored in the intracellular space (attached to mitochondria, tubulin, liposomes etc) and in the nucleus of the cell (reversing DNA damage of mercury). Because cilantro mobilizes more toxins then it can carry out of the body, it may flood the connective tissue (where the nerves reside) with metals, that were previously stored in safer hiding places.

This process is called re-toxification. It can easily be avoided by simultaneously giving an intestinal toxin-absorbing agent. Our definite choice is the algal organism chlorella. A recent animal study demonstrated rapid removal of aluminum from the skeleton superior to any known other detox agent.

Dosage and application of cilantro tincture: give 2 drops 2 times per day in the beginning, taken just before a meal or 30 minutes after taking chlorella (cilantro causes the gallbladder to dump bile — containing the excreted neurotoxins — into the small intestine. The bile-release occurs naturally as we are eating and is much enhanced by cilantro. If no chlorella is taken, most neurotoxins are reabsorbed on the way down the small intestine by the abundant nerve endings of the enteric nervous system). Gradually increase dose to 10 drops 3 times/day for full benefit. During the initial phase of the detox cilantro should be given 1 week on, 2–3 weeks off.

Other ways of taking cilantro: rub 5 drops twice/day into ankles for mobilization of metals in all organs, joints and structures below the diaphragm, and into the wrists for organs, joints and structures above the diaphragm. The wrists have dense autonomic innervation (axonal uptake of cilantro) and are crossed by the main lymphatic channels (lymphatic uptake).

Cilantro tea: use 10 to 20 drops in cup of hot water. Sip slowly. Clears the brain quickly of many neurotoxins. Good for headaches and other acute symptoms (joint pains, angina, headache).   Or, rub 10–15 drops into painful area. Often achieves almost instant pain relief.







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So if chorella helps get mercury out of the body by causing the gallbladder to dump bile, would eating the cilantro with fatty foods (bile is released to help digest fats) have a similar effect?


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