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TheGils
Thursday, August 18, 2011, 2:24am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Dear Forum Attendees:

I just had a colonoscopy and I have inflamation in my rectum.  Ulcerative Colitis & Crohn's Disease are suspect.  I went to the doctor because of the bleeding that I was experiencing when I went to the bathroom.  At first it was only a small amount of blood in the stool, and then as time went on I began to bleed a bit more.  Always bright red blood.  Also, at first I did not experience any problem going to the bathroom, no constipation, but now I am experiencing some.  

If anyone can share any valuable information about similar cases, it would be greately appreciated.  

I also want to mention that I had been taking some Super Omega 3-6-9 supplements along with L-Arginine and L-Ornithine for a couple of months.  Could any of these supplements have had any influence?  


Amiably,

The Gil's

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You could help us help you, by indicating your blood type on your avatar.

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?v-memberpanel/a-profile/s-avatar/


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You might want to consider the Intestinal health protocol, the anti inflammation protocol, stomach health protocol, or the anitstress protocol.

http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/index.htm


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well I recently had a colonoscopy which revealed some patches of inflammation. I am researching it hoping to understand more. Doc doesn't think it is necessarily colitis, but we want it to go away. So I am trying to figure out what might be causing it. He wants me to quit drinking green tea! I wanted to ask him, ok then how about yerba mate', but I figured he wouldn't have heard of it. There was a period a while back when I was taking xanax and sleeping pills.....maybe they are irritating (more so than green tea?) So glad I'm off them!!
I will be checking this thread for more info, and best of luck!
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eating right for your type will help a lot.

the red blood usually incates a problem near the exit so to speak and not an internal bleed.


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eating right for your type will help a lot.

the red blood usually incates a problem near the exit so to speak and not an internal bleed.



Bleeding is internal     often people get hemorrhoidal bleeding which can be clearly seen on colonoscopy, but this is more then that.
But the diet will get you off to a great start toward healing the tissue.




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Since hemorrhoids were mentioned, I thought I would ask if you are absolutely sure you do not have serious hemorrhoids?  My hubby has terrible hemorrhoids that bleed quite a bit (bright red also) unless he eats a lot of fiber.  He has oatmeal with banana and another fruit every morning and usually tries to eat an apple every day as well.  This seems to keep his bleeding at bay.  It is when he deviates from this routine that the bleeding comes back.  Maybe you could try that for a couple of weeks to see if it helps?  I have no idea if this breakfast would be bad for you if it is Crohn's or colitis.


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Dear Forum Attendees:

I just had a colonoscopy and I have inflamation in my rectum.  Ulcerative Colitis & Crohn's Disease are suspect.

Amiably,

The Gil's



On colonoscopy we can tell the difference between hemorrhoids and colitis.

They do not present the same. Biopsies of the area of inflammation are usually done.





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Bleeding is internal     often people get hemorrhoidal bleeding which can be clearly seen on colonoscopy, but this is more then that.
But the diet will get you off to a great start toward healing the tissue.




I undersand that if the blood is black it is internal.


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Dr. Becker on Your Health was just talking about a study where the Chrohn's patients were given 1300 i.u. of Vitamin D3/day and 55% had no relapse. He surmised that if it would have been 3000 i.u. it would have been 80-90%. The show was focused on the importance of Vitamin D.

Just putting that out there to leave a trail.

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org has some information and self test kits.


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I undersand that if the blood is black it is internal.


Old blood that is high up in the GI is black---- but bright red blood is from intestinal mucous membranes that can be any place  in the GI tract.




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Friends,

Thank you for your posts.  There was no mention of hemorrhoids by the doctor.  I was prescribed Mesalamine.  I am to take one a day, for a month and then I will see the doctor again.  

I have a good fiber intake.  I have followed the eating type for A Positive blood after a friend told me about it.  The only thing that I did not remove from my diet at all or minimize were hot sauce and tomatoes.  I eat a lot of hot sauce.  Now, I have stopped eating the spiciest and only eating with mild sauce.  Might stop all together with the hot sauce for a while.

Thank you again for all your posts.  I will look into the protocols.  


Amiably,

Gil
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get a hold of the encyclopedia at your local library, and follow the protocols given, targeted for blood type

also might want to get a secretor test, to target yet more
Read about the non secretor issue
http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/newbie/a.htm


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Who needs hot sauce.. fresh ginger ,horseradish and garlic are spicy enough  and all on my beneficial food list.




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Would the daily oatmeal and apple/banana combination be bad for someone with Crohn's and/or colitis?  Is a high fiber diet recommended or is a low fiber diet recommended.  I have no idea and am just asking out of curiosity.  I have a cousin with colitis.


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Not sure it matters as much as a low lectin diet which will control inflammation.


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High fibre is supposed to help but i find the opposite is true. if you get the rime of find it in the library read the book "fiber menace" or look at he site. basically the chap says that fibre causes all the problems. being an O i now don't do much grain and have am definitely on the mend.


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I am impressed with how well the O diet is working for me in the bowel department! Although as an explorer I get 3 cups of fruit daily and 6 of veggies I do not always manage the 6 cups of veggies. Onions being a diamond I do make sure to steam at least 1 cup of these with my veggies which I find so tasty. Anyhow, I am healing well and take bovine colostrum and l-glutamine for 3 months before bed and inflammation almost all gone. Even on days when I don't manage all the regular fibre I am regular.
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I am impressed with how well the O diet is working for me in the bowel department! Although as an explorer I get 3 cups of fruit daily and 6 of veggies I do not always manage the 6 cups of veggies. Onions being a diamond I do make sure to steam at least 1 cup of these with my veggies which I find so tasty. Anyhow, I am healing well and take bovine colostrum and l-glutamine for 3 months before bed and inflammation almost all gone. Even on days when I don't manage all the regular fibre I am regular.


That's great news. In my experience, taking glutamine before bed has also been the best time for healing.
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Old blood that is high up in the GI is black---- but bright red blood is from intestinal mucous membranes that can be any place  in the GI tract.




As an old hand at this (Ulcerative Colitis since 1998 ) I would agree with this. In times of flare ups the transit time is short enough for the blood to stay red.

Re. fibre: During a flare up fibre is NOT recommended as it scrubs the inflamed walls of the intestine too much and any new skin that might have closed over open spots will break open and bleed again.
Also NOT recommended are: any hot, spicy condiments or spice (pepper) and even the likes of ginger very gently until the bleeding stops. But yes, ginger, garlic & tumeric are great to keep future flare ups at bay. Also avoid sugar, wheat & of course all red meat. I'd cut out a lot of dairy as well but keep yoghurt for the beneficial bacteria.
What is good for you is steamed veg & rice, fish, flaxoil for omega 3 oils, easily digested fruit- peeled and preferably not citrus until things settle down a bit.

The advise to stick to the A diet & the above protocols is spot on. Besides that make sure you get enough sleep! And take up meditating- you don't need to sit down in a special room with special clothing (but it is nice) - important is you get quiet time to reflect for starters and then work towards the special place : )

The fact that your 'problem' seems to be at the end of your colon is good. Enemas sound horrible but are great, because they can bring the 'medication' right to the spot. I say 'medication' because I had fish oil enemas at some stage to get the omega 3 straight to where it was needed.

Let us know what the outcome is- Crohns or Colitis.
Crohns tends to respond to diet much more than colitis, so the sooner you get started the better : )

Take care!
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a high grain fibre diet would be a never thing in anything i would recommend for ibs or colitis or anything for that matter,

vegetable fibre soluble fibre but not grain. increase fat.


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Thegils,
I have a fissure that in my 30's caused some bleeding.  Then
about 8 years ago it was happening again and did the colonoscopy etc., but they found nothing. I saw several doctors, did food allergy/sensitivity testing and changed my diet, then found blood type diet and I don't have that issue.  Plus I can look back now and realise my bowel movements that I thought were fine, were sluggish or perhaps met the definition of constipation. In the West we are told if we have a bm once a day it is fine, but the holistic doctors don't agree with that, and based on how I feel now, I agree with the holistic doctors.  
This might not related to your issues, but wanted to mention just in case.
good luck with your detective work on finding out what is going on.
Linda


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I was diagnosed with Ulcerative Colitis in 1996.  Following the O diet was the one thing that saved me.  When I was first diagnosed, I was so sick that I was basicly just living on Ensure.  The mesalamine that was prescribed, was it the pills (Asacol or Pentasa or the like) or was it the suppositories or enemas.  One mesalamine pill a day is a very small dose.  
For me doing away with cow's milk dairy and especially the wheat were the big things.  Red meat, most veggies, etc. don't bother me.  I can even eat nuts now.  

A bad flare up can really be debilitating.  Wishing you well.
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Crohn's is fascinating. I think it is curable, maybe. It would be a specific process that just eating for BTD/GTD/SwamiX/SwamiPRO could not accomplish on it's own.

1. Get comprehensive allergy testing.
2. Stop eating allergens and BTD avoids. Do not however change your diet much, do not start eating a bunch of new beneficials, do whatever you have to do to keep your immune system from going up too much.
3. Consume GLA for over a month to get your immune system more balanced.
4. Start on Intrinsa for a month. Also take a mild iron supplement.
5. Start taking BTD pro-biotic for two-three weeks.
6. Start taking Deflect with pro-biotic.
7. The big leap. Start eating all the beneficials you can, and consume BTD multi-vitamin and whatever else may help you. At this point the goal would be to properly incur diarrhea but not bleeding. This would be the removal of bacterial infestation that lurks in the damaged tissue.

That is something along what I think might have to be done to overcome it. Could you full overcome it? I dunno... It is hard because you want a good immune system to purge the problem, but Crohn's people suffer from the immune system being too powerful and attacking the intestines. It is like having an allergic reaction inside the intestines but it causes bleeding.
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Would the daily oatmeal and apple/banana combination be bad for someone with Crohn's and/or colitis?  Is a high fiber diet recommended or is a low fiber diet recommended.  I have no idea and am just asking out of curiosity.  I have a cousin with colitis.


Low fibre during a flare up, high fibre while in remission. Firstly you want the 'gut skin' to heal over, so too much hard fibre will not help with that.
Once the skin is whole again, it can tolerate the scrubbing action of fibre again, which you want for a short passing through time. Ulcerative colitis patients are much more likely to get colon cancer, so a high fibre diet protects against that.

The oatmeal is soluble fibre- hence good, I would peel and steam the apple during a flare up. Bananas are a funny thing- they are generally not easily digested (the ones with brown dots are the right ripeness for easier digestion) but personally I never had a problem with that. If in doubt, leave it out : )
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highest amounts of boswellia carterii should help


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I was just told that a friend's son who lives in Georgia has Crohn's disease. I think he is in his late 30s. I told her about the BTD & gave her the web site.  Pray they get some help!


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