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Thanks BTypeAus - very helpful!
Glad you're feeling good TJ!  Me too.  Met my friend who put me onto this yesterday and gave her a big thanks cos I'm so much better mentally lately.  She's a vegan on ethical grounds, so it's even harder for her (probably the phytates in grains would lower her zinc even more I think).  Lovely lady and I can't argue with her but hope she's getting enough B12 and other goodies we all get from animal products.

Good point Melissa J been meaning to try the zinc taste test.  One think I noticed since taking zinc my sense of smell and taste has been consistent, used to disappear at times before!


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I came across this information when researching b6 deficiency (and detoxification) because my mouth and skin are burning burning all over and I want to remedy it. It might explain some things for us Symbi  

'If your body has a Vitamin B6 deficiency, as in the condition " Pyroluria " then your liver will be unable to convert homocysteine into cysteine, and therefore you will be lacking the precursor to many essential molecules such as Glutathione, Metallothionein, Taurine, and other sulfate compounds which chelate heavy metals out of the body, and help to repair our intestinal lining.

If you have a certain kind of genetic disorder which prevents you from being able to convert Pyridoxine into P5P (pyridoxal-5-phosphate), then you are even more likely to suffer from the health consequences of heavy metal toxicity and the presence of xeno-estrogens and numerous other environmental toxins. You should therefore take nutritional supplements which contain the P5P activated form of B6 and not the Pyridoxine form.

If you have pyroluria, than you are much more likely to have autism, mood disorders such as Bipolar, anxiety, depression, schizophrenia, addictions such as alcoholism, as well as menstrual disorders such as PMS, dysmenorrhea, and migraine headaches, since the lack of Zinc and Vitamin B6 will directly result in a buildup of Copper toxicity in the Liver and brain, as well as a decreased ability to detoxify Mercury, Lead, Arsenic, Aluminum, and Cadmium, which can all degenerate brain tissues, resulting in neuronal cell death, giving rise to poor memory, and eventually Alzheimer's or Autism can result from an excess of these toxic metals building up in the brain tissues.

At the same time, Vitamin B6 and Zinc are necessary for the enzymes which create the neurotransmitters Serotonin, Dopamine, Melatonin, and GABA, and so the constant leaching of B6 and Zinc into the urine will result in mood swings, anxiety, panic disorders, rage disorders, addictive tendencies, insomnia, and ADD.

By supplementing with adequate amounts of Zinc and P5P form of Vitamin B6, you can help to reverse the dangerous effects of this common disorder.'


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Interesting, Niagreen.  Thanks for sharing.
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Tick tick tick most of those boxes - good info Naigreen thanks!  Where did that come from? - I am saving lots of info about this on my harddrive - I'm not sure why - as if I'm going to write a book !  If you research some say it's a lack of B3 as well or the lack of GLA and AA (omega 6 fats) all play a part I guess.

I've been taking zinc now for so long I need to take copper as well.  If I don't I get too much histamine and symptoms like tendonitis flares.  Once you start correcting there's some fine tuning required.  Taking chlorella at the moment after having my amalgam fillings removed and I think it draws all metals from the body so I probably need the good ones even more at the moment.  

B6 works for me - my PMS is much better lately. I'm taking 250mg spread out over with each meal and 25mg is with my magnesium tablet before bed.  The steadiest I've ever been mentally  

The supplements for PMS usually have Zinc, B6 and magnesium.  No wonder.


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I read this thread when it first started.. I had no idea that I myself was a candidate for pyroluria until I went hunting for b6 supplements online - I am pretty sure I have high copper and low zinc, magnesium and B6. I have had high homeocysteine for years and years and my kinesiologist was always baffled as to why my body was in a constant need for high folate,B6 and B12. I was popping 5000mcg a day of B12 for years and nothing I did seemed to stop my need for it. Apparantly if there is inadequate B6 it stops the body from being able to utilise B12.
Finally, after a lot of hunting I feel like I'm getting somewhere. I am believing that my incessant chest pain and burning skin will be helped once I start up the B6 and B complex. I have some zinc tablets and take 15mg a day. I tried to up to 30mg but i think it speeds up chelation too much as I get very nauseus.

here is the link symbi : http://www.holistic-back-relief.com/vitamin-b6-benefits.html

there is some information on zinc and mercury there too.

I really do believe that mercury is a silent epidemic. SO many people are affected in my opinion. Lots of dentists that remove the fillings won't let you take them home because they must dispose of the 'highly toxic material' properly, but it's ok to put it in our mouths!

Any excuse for this is probably that certain genetic factors (like pyroluria) can inhibit the body's ability to detox the metals from our system... maybe being a non- secretor too. Mark Hyman said something about GSTM1 which is another genetic characteristic which impinges on the glutathione pathway. Also sounds very Explorer to me! oh mama, we sure have it tough sometimes.

It's only since I've told my best friend (a chemistry graduate) about my mercury toxicity that she has finally begun to completely understand what I am going through. Yesterday she said to me 'I know you've had this problem for ten years now, but to be honest, from my scientific perspective and what I have studied in my 'metals and molecules' module I am surprised you are still functioning as you are.' - I hope not too much brain damage has been done to me. At the moment I think the worse is the muscles and joints.. and my skin. But hopefully once I get the B6, zinc and magnesium combo going my already hugely taxed liver will be given a much neede boost.

I am so happy you were able to get your amalgams out symbi. speeding healing to us all  
I take spirulina which is similar to chlorella and it is very good for us  

before you took B6 did you have any cardiovascular problems, or swelling edema ? burning sensations?
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also, B6 is needed for adequate hydrocholoric acid production. I'm not sure if this is a problem for you guys but I thought it was very interesting as I have hypochlorhydria, lack of stomach acid production.
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I'm not sure why the dentists think mercury is OK in your mouth either.  Or in shots.  

You're young, you'll bounce back.  Praise God for you discoveries!!!!!  But I know what it's like to feel awful because of these problems and not have people understand.  So it's great that your practitioner is getting a picture.  

You can supplement glutathione.  You probably know that.

I'm supposed to be taking a b complex also.  I didn't know it's needed to absorb b12.  Interesting!!!


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Niagreen, thanks so much!

Notice the link to niacin B3.  Lack of B6 reduces trypophan conversion to B3.  Low B3 produces anxiety - something I've suffered from for so long.  Double sucker punch with low serotonin - depression and all the other effects.  I used to have insomnia (fibro too) and not remember my dreams at all (now I do and that's like a therapy to me - a way for the subconscious to send messages I humbly believe).  Is a good way to see if you're getting some B6 now.  Gee I didn't know B6 helps convert Tyrosine into Dopamine.  Yikes!

To increase glutathione: Whey protein powder is great for us A explorers it contains cysteine, I try to have 2 tablespoons a day usually with cereal in am or with yogurt sometime.   Apparently milk thistle also increases glutathione I take some often.  Have read that glutathione supplements may not work as well.

Also suffer low stomach acid - though I had boughts of high stomach acid when I ate too many acidic foods for a while and got GERD with ulceration which I was able to clear up through diet and medication for a short while (yuk - indigestion worse).  Get some reflux and indigestion still mildly infrequently.  Generally digestion works better than ever.  

I think I still get B6 deficiency boughts when I have autoimmune flares and probably my liver gives in at that time.  I get cracks on the side of my mouth, fibro pain, inflammation including tendonitis swelling.  Even with the B6 I get water retention around PMS time though it varies.  P-5-P would be good at these times I must look for some.  Nerve pain is another symptom - burning in forearms hardly able to open hands.  

I've read that pyrrolurics are often low in taurine (see methylation cycle pic produced from cysteine).  That has mental and other effects (yikes my DD had fetal distress and is being checked for aspergers wish I knew this years ago!  See it also says MSG lowers taurine - no wonder it's an avoid probably Dr D is right onto this)

http://bodyecology.com/articles/deficient_in_taurine.php.  

http://bodyecology.com/articles/deficient_in_taurine_part2.php

Biotin is also dependant on cysteine.  
"Anemia can occur as a result from a deficiency in biotin. Biotin is necessary for the synthesis and utilization of two important B-vitamins, folic acid and vitamin B12 that are needed for healthy red blood cells." http://www.3fatchicks.com/symptoms-of-a-biotin-deficiency/  
Another points out link with fungal diseases: http://www.quality-nutritional-supplements.com/biotin.html
I've been supplementing extra biotin and feel more stronger, more energy (it's also found in B comples).  What do you know?  I can eat some sugar accidentally and don't get a yeast infection straight away anymore!    Another Explorer tendency - yeast infections.

Maybe it's all G6PD deficiency by another name http://g6pddeficiency.org/index.php?cmd=forumviewmsg&id=5030 - something explorers are prone to.  A rose by any other name.. perhaps.

http://www.glutathionediseasecure.com/vitamin-B6.html some more info - B6 helps with morning sickness like ginger - wondered by not eating in am was listed in pyrroluria symptoms.  I had it bad during pregnancy and ginger did help.  Used to not like to eat breakfast before too.
It also says "The intake of vitamin this B vitamin, from either diet or supplements, could cut the risk of Parkinson’s disease by half according to a prospective study from the Netherlands."  cool

Sorry if tmi!  That diagram of the methylation pathway got me excited - though I'm just a beginner it's all fascinating


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Donna suggests eating eggs cooked over easy because supposedly the biotin in the yolk is left intact.  But if you cook the yolk, I guess it's not as prevalent.  According to her.  I have no clue, but I do eat my eggs over easy a LOT.


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Thanks for that JJR I like mine half cooked with some runniness still intact - tricky!  Yolk is nice to soak up with some spelt bread YUM!


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I got my P5P in the mail today!
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yes symbi this is so interesting for me too, i get really quite excited when I find out why i have been feeling a certain way. That link about G6pdd is just me all over! I think I inherited something from my dad's side as he has liver cirrhosis (but not from being obese or a drinker, took a lot of medications I think) as my step sister has a form of autism I have heard. Definitely a genetic link that I need to work on there.

I was so pumped to try whey protein powder but it is an avoid on my Swami, so I've settled for milk thistle, NAC and the odd glutathione supplement, plus lots of avocado. (it's a bit annoying that glutathione doesn't really work isnt it!) apparantly from a chemistry perspective this is normal though   to have to pave the pathway to boost the production rather than put the material straight in the body  

After coming to terms with my explorerness and really playing around with my swami (i was flittering between teacher and explorer) I've realised that such a long time of previously being an almost vegan starchitarian has probably made me very protein and vitamin B deficient, especially with all the mercury and homeocysteine I need to reduce. My homeopath said at the weekend that i need to up my tyrosine.

it's not tmi at all! I get so excited about these things too!

jj, thats great to know about the eggs. I need to do them over easy! I have a habit of cooking the life out of them. Have never cooked myself a runny egg! but I have been having quinoa/buckwheat pancakes every morning with one egg for the lecithin and liver boosting properties.

tj, I just got my P5P and B complex plus in the mail too! how much are you taking of the P5P? each capsule of mine is 50mg

I do praise this discovery   hopefully now I will grow a new head of hair  
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I don't dip anything in my yolks, just let them roll down, oh so smooth.  Mmmmmm..  

What is p5p?

Niagreen.  For what it's worth, according to Dr.D and all these new things they're learning, with the right diet, lifestyle, etc etc, we can actually turn off these bad genes.  How exactly you do that, I'm not sure, but I think it's what everyone is all excited about.  I think at times in my life, the conditions were right that I turned off the bad genes and had a lot of good genes turned on.  Now, I need to get back to that.  Because I think for a plethora of reasons, it's the opposite.  Or somewhat that way.  


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P5P is the active form of vitamin B6.
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hope it works well TJ and Niagreen.

Niagreen - did you look up high homocysteine levels (now I have too cos my new doctors is going to test them along with all the thyroid including antibodies she says I'm hypothyroid! TSH last was 2.6 and had high ANA a long time but never been tested on THOSE antibodies!)  hopes are high!  She's also testing all my hormones but that's for another thread.  I think she's testing my homocysteine cos my dad had a young heart attack and my cholesterol was highish last year before SWAMI  .

Back to it - there's a genetic mutation called MTHFR worth looking up that causes homocysteine to build up in the body.  There are also other reasons - high oestrogen and low thyroid being two that I can relate to.  When it's high the need for more vitamin Bs (incl B6, folic acid, B12) goes sky high.

Hope that helps - worth reading up on.


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That reminds me.  I think I'll introduce my b6 complex today.  Thanks for the reminder!!


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I'm taking 2 b complex capsules a day, comprising of a total of 200mg B1, 30mg B2, 220 mg niacin (b3), 40mg b6, 800 mcg Folate (b9), 800 mcg biotin, 200mg panthothenic acid (b5)

on top of this im taking one 50mg p5p

Symbi - I have looked up high homocysteine in the past. I have a feeling that too is also related to mercury. Protein grabbing evils who rob all the sulfur from the cells and robs the body of cell rebuilding and key enzymes for detoxification.

I had high homocysteine from the age of 11 (is it possible to get cardiovascular problems at that age?!) I just saw something about MTHFR - interesting! ah!

I've had a few thyroid tests in the past. My TSH according to blood tests has been about 1.04, sometimes going up to 1.8, but my problem is that I have really low T3. Apparantly my conversion of T4 to T3 is really weak. (Probably a liver problem) I had a total thyroid hormone output in urine test and that showed signs of hypothyroidism - low on all thyroid hormones important for thyroid function. I was put on dessicated glandulars and I was expecting a miraculous recover but I actually got very ill. Maybe this is because I can't do the converting in my liver because I have so many toxins.

My cholesterol is around 173, blood albumin low.  I wish i could get lots of tests done but it is so expensive to do it with Genova Diagnostics. But now you mention high oestrogen and low thyroid... I have always had problems with menstruation )possibly high oestrogen!?) - and the only thing that got me going was natural progesterone cream. Probably not the most advisable at my age (eek!) but at the time nothing I was doing would give me a period!
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I have always had problems with menstruation )possibly high oestrogen!?) - and the only thing that got me going was natural progesterone cream. Probably not the most advisable at my age (eek!) but at the time nothing I was doing would give me a period!


Looking back I wish I had taken progesterone cream when I was your age. I showed all the signs of having too much estrogen. I ended up with endometreosis and had a hysterectomy at the age of 29. So I think if the progesterone seems to work for you, stick with it.  

I'm also taking P5P, zinc and magnesium (both topical and internally). The zinc and P5P really made a difference for me. I'm being treated for Lyme disease (and coinfections).


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but my problem is that I have really low T3. Apparantly my conversion of T4 to T3 is really weak. (Probably a liver problem) I had a total thyroid hormone output in urine test and that showed signs of hypothyroidism - low on all thyroid hormones important for thyroid function. I was put on dessicated glandulars and I was expecting a miraculous recover but I actually got very ill.


Have you heard of or tried Cytomel?  It is T3. My doctor prescribed it and I really like it.  

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Another interesting thread to watch  

I answered yes to 15 of those Q's too...

Starting back on my chlorella and spirulina stash this week, my ma did not like me taking it while in pain from a cyst - she would accuse the supps for making things worse, but no way am I going to throw a premium supply of super greens away, they were exxy too.

Feeling good; hopeful of less cravings, more chelation and energy!  (spirulina super foods on my SWAMI.)
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Remember I'm not a dr or naturopath and I'm just sharing what's working for me and information I found.  Getting worried I don't want to lead anyone down the wrong path!

Glad you're recovering nowishow.

Niagreen, sorry you don't get whey but you got glutathione covered ! 47% explorer is pretty high so remember these three things: detox detox detox   .  You're probably right about evil mercury sending homocysteine up.  I read, though, that children have high levels naturally.  Sounds like you've got good b complex there    Hopefully you remember your dreams on that (or at least that you did dream), or you may need more B6 or P-5-P.
What about adding evening primrose oil or borage oil as well (http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20040901/msgs/386934.html).  When I added that was a huge change but maybe everyone's different on that.  Pyroluria increases the need for it.  I also take fish oil every 3 days or so.  My breast tenderness is nearly non-existant on 6 tablets of EPO a day (2 with every meal).  PMS is much better and steady mentally.  Apparently it reduces the body reaction to excess prolactin among many other things.

You must have tried vitex before to balance hormones?  My new doctor said once we find out my hormone levels she will prescribe some and maybe some other herbs to shrink my endometriomas (though I have adenomyosis she says it's the same thing in a different location).  She said progesterone may help my symptoms too but not solve all my problems.   I guess we'll see.

Hi Honeybee!  I'm on chlorella too and it makes me feel all fresh and new! (helping me chelate mercury - also drink dandelion tea, eating lots protein, whey powder and milk thistle).  Mum was right - greens are good for us!  I read that chlorophyl is very similar to our haemoglobulin which can be deficient in pyroluria.

Just found a good article from Nexus magazine about Porphyria (pyroluria is probably a subset) http://truemedicine.com.au/wp-content/uploads/1801porphyria.pdf


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now that I am learning more about lyme disease i have thought about whether i should get tested, but they don't have that sort of health care system here. I don't really know where to go to get help for myself medically.

I have heard of cytomel Mauk   and also that it helps many people who cannot do the conversion... but I don't know how to get hold of it  

thyroid issues do concern me now - from taking dessicated thyroid last year I seem to have acquired long term chest pain/heart thumping. I have no idea why this is. I went to the emergency room after passing out (having not slept for about 3 weeks) and there was nothing wrong with my cardio reports. The pain has remained even this far down the line. I think thats why I know I should take tyrosine supplements but I am scared to do anymore tampering. There is this sort of flutter in my thyroid sometimes, and usually i have a very high pitched/childlike voice but I seem to have gotten husky. Sometimes it feels swollen and throbbing pains occur. gah.


symbi - this sounds strange but I love having my period! it is the favourite time for me. I used to get migraines before i came on (every 3 months/5 months/ 8 months depending) and then I read i could be magnesium deficient so I started mass consuming magnesium capsules and this really helped. My flow is too light, and sometimes I am 'on' but with no blood (possibly due to anemia) but any period is good enough for me this far down the line.   haha, it is a really big celebratory event in my house - i shout it from the rooftops!

I have never tried vitex. I am starting to think my doctor is useless in comparison to many because after being hospitalised for infectious diseases I was discharged in 2003 with 'chronic fatigue syndrome' and its possible that since being labelled that way i've kind of been struck off and expected to just live this way. In the eyes of my homeopath though, I have ongoing cells memory associated with malaria, mercury, thyroid and hepatitis B. Cool  

ps. that article is AMAZING! I've saved it on my computer and I'm going to study it so I understand it properly, but from a glance of the whole thing.. spot on mate  
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I've contacted someone here in the UK who does blood-type diet associated consultations. She tests for pyroluria too. This will be interesting...
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Good stuff Niagreen - hope you can keep us informed.  I'm going off Evening primrose oil in preparation for hormone test at the end of the week (apparently EPO lowers prolactin and may increase progesterone) so expect sore lumpy breasts any day now.  

Glad you're on magnesium, hope it stopped the heart feelings has helped me alot too - I don't get migraines any more and alot less tension headaches also less orthostatic orthotension.  1 thing I read - don't take it while you're having a headache cos it works as a calcium channel blocker which can make the pain worse, use it a prophylactic to prevent them. Most headaches are in the morning so I take mine with supper and before bed.

Can't believe you like your period - that's great though.    I'm sure you'll solve your CFS with this WOL, experimenting and curious mind.  Coenzyme Q10 is helping me energy wise at the mo - worth a try.


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Ahhr what did I say about no migraines?  Got a doozy 2 days into menstruation, with aura seeing flashing lights and big pupils to start with.  Figure it was withdrawal from the most excellent Coenzyme Q10 I took for a month with no headaches along with hormones.  Highly recommended!

Back on EPO again thank goodness, didn't enjoy the dry mouth, skin and joints, large lumpy breasts off of it.  Test showed prolactin near top of the range which EPO helps lower.  Dr said I could still be making breast milk after 3 years! Other hormones were good.  

More relevant to pyroluria - it showed average homocysteine levels.  Homocysteine is lowered by B12, folate and P-5-P.  So I must be taking enough B6 and converting it.  Yay!  We tested that cos my Dad died in his 50s during 2008 of heart attack - think he as a nonnie warrior  .

Hypothyroid
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Also showed I have antibodies to my thyroid but not hashimotos yet!! (have never tested TSH over 4 - in Australia the range goes up to 5 before you're considered hypothyroid   should be like 2.5).  Something I read is common with pyroluria, bipolar and gluten intolerance (we know probably nonnie hood too): http://braintalkcommunities.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-15783.html  

Note that many of the nutrients for pyroluria are good for thyroid.  See this thread Could KPU and hypothyroidism type 2 be the same thing ... related to poor recovery from Lyme? http://freeideasblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/could-kpu-and-hypothyroidism-type-2-be.html :

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"The minerals required to metabolize insulin are also used to metabolize thyroid hormone properly: Selenium, zinc, Vitamin E, B6, Manganese.

Sounds like what people take for KPU, she said. Yes!

With Type 2 Hypothyroidism, the thyroid gland produces "normal" amounts of hormone, but the cells are unable to utilize the hormone properly. Some experts call this thyroid hormone resistance (which may be regarded as similar to insulin resistance).


Type 2 hypothyroidism can be associated with:
-autoimmune disorders
-blood sugar disorders
-TMJ
-fatigue
-chronic Candida
-depression and mental illness
-carpal tunnel
-tinnitus"


tick tick tick for me there  BTW thyroid problem explains alot to me that I may have been hypothyroid during my pregnancy and may be why I got preeclampsia, HELLP syndrome and poor bub was born low birthweight and even with a nearly cleft palate and behaviour problems.   I had undiagnosed adrenal and thyroid symptoms from 2003 when I was on Depo Provera (don't get me started).  So much better these days.  

Am taking selenium now too and that feels good like a clean antioxidant, probably help with any autoimmune problem (ANA was very high last count).  Studies have shown it lowers antithyroid antibodies.  It is used to make T3 from T4 (my reverse T3 was a bit high but other readings were good).  Also the week before my test I did go off diet a bit due to being too busy might explain the antibodies cos I had some wheat.  Had swollen eyes and tight throat too.    Bet next test with be 0.

Vitamin B6
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Check this excellent thread on B6  http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/thread30724.html

Interesting how it links intestinal alkaline phosphitase is need for B6 conversion to P-5-P (also magnesium and B2).  Also that Zinc and B6 are dependent on each other.  Also that autistics have high blood levels of total B6 but low levels of the active form so they are less able to convert it.  (We enlightened know probably cos they are often non-secretors with less IAP?)  Taking more B6 can increase the active form.  I speculate and am probably going beyond my education level with alot of this! Haven't had time to read all of the above in detail yet either.  Yikes!  


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