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Goldie
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I am not curious but she is right on..

My friend was 55 in exellent health returning from vacation, money and health no issue, active and vibrant.. not on BTD.. and playing tennis I think, I forgot, since with his prostheses he does much less running on his leg.. first he lost his foot.. then up to his knee.. he is on his 3rd prosthesis.. from a single clot.


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Goldie - Perhaps a few more specifics would help. did he smoke, did he drink, how did he get the initial clot, was he offered any other help. did he actual start the medication to thin blood. what was his wight and height, was there any other issues. eg tennis is particularly hard on the lower leg, especially if you play on hard coruts and not grass.

did you know that one of the side effects of taking the blood thinners is the possibility to lose a limb? so perhaps he may have lost it anyway. does anyone really know?

In addition note my appetite is very much back on the scene. I'm trying not to eat the fridge - and I'm stcking 100 % to Swami.

although since I'm always fair, the heel of my hand is a bit sore at the bottom of my thumb. i woke up with that so i may have slept on it or something. also my back is a bit stiff.

but absolutely no pain or swelling in my leg. i also slept much better last night.

I feellike I'm in an episode of House lol.


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this is  list of people who are desperate to get off the very drugs I refise to take.

http://www.askapatient.com/vie.....sfaction&order=1

have a read it might make outhink again.


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Thanks Curious I read all posts. tell me more about your friend if you don't mind. info like the location of his dvt, his weight, general health, whether on btd. and perhaps any other stuff like how he got the dvt would all be helpful thanks

Yes, I'd be happy to tell you about my friend: He is 54 years old, about 1.78 m tall and weighs about 68 kg. He owns no car and cycles to work each day (5 km each way). He loves swimming and swims regularly in the European summer. He also loves hiking and goes hiking very regularly (some are big trips with a heavy backpack). He also loves Latin Dancing. He looks and is fit.

He got the DVD when he visited me in Australia. It is a long flight, but he had a stopover for a night in Singapore. So the flight time would have been 13 hours and - after the stop over - another 9 hours. It was acutally his second DVD because he had a DVD a few years back and it seemed to have come from nowhere. That is when he did the Leiden test and found out that he has a gene which predisposes him to DVD (apparently there are 2 versions, one where the person has a slight problem, the other where the person has a big problem, his test showed he has a slight problem).

The DVD he got when he visited me was below the knee (can't remember whether it was the left or right leg). We were about to do lots of bushwalking in Kakadu National Park and my friend was very upset about the news. He decided to take the warfarin (normally he does not take medication) and got adjusted after a few days. We then went bushwalking (in a remote area) and did quite a lot of walks (e.g 12 km walks). He got tested again after we came back (we were away for 3 weeks) and the amount of warfarin he took looked right. We then went to Central Australia and did more walking. We then flew back to my place on the Gold Coast and he flew back to Europe.

It took about 3 months for the blood clot to be dissolved. He then stopped the warfarin. So, again, he is on no medication.

As for what he eats and drinks: He is not following BTD, he even does not know his blood type. However, he eats mostly unprocessed food, lots of them organic and little meat. He likes the occastional beer and red wine. He has never smoked.

I hope the information helps you.
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Thanks curious oxo


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saw doctor this morning, signed off for 2 months, having urine test done tomorrow, after that as a precaution having psa test done for prostrate and possible referral to consultant again.

walked to doctors, but had a nose bleed just before i left. doctor mentioned taking aspirin if i didn't want to take anything else. she was quiet nice really. although i did have to tell her off for drinking fanta zero! lol


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she was quiet nice really. although i did have to tell her off for drinking fanta zero! lol

Many in the medical community are certain that sugar is a bigger danger than the chemical sweetener substitutes...  There are many, however, that realize that the chemicals are really bad for the body and refuse to internalize them.  Many are starting to go to mostly water or fruit juices for their beverage.


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Hi PC - I understand you not wanted to take the medication. I have never responded well to regular medicine. If fact I usually have a horrible response. Must be the nonnie or explorer in me. So, I almost never use Western medicine. I support you in your decision. If it feels right to you, then that's what you should do.

Good luck


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Well thanks you Nowishow. oxo


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Came across this paragraph in an articles that sums up how i feel about drugs.

"It doesn’t help that some of these treatments are foisted on people who don’t need them. According to one study, a person who shows up at an emergency room complaining of chest pain has about an 80 percent chance of being admitted and subjected to a series of sophisticated tests, even when the patient is not at high risk for heart disease and thus has an almost negligible chance of actually being ill if a few routine tests don’t turn up any irregularities. The longer round of tests carries a significant chance of falsely indicating that a key artery is clogged, and sometimes leads to the utterly unnecessary surgical insertion of a stent, accompanied by a long-term drug regimen to fight off the real risk of clotting in that stent. In this way, many healthy people each year are converted into long-term patients."


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“Mainstream medicine uses the placebo effect all the time,” says Ted Kaptchuk, a Harvard researcher who studies the impact of placebos. “Doctors don’t tell you the drug they’re giving you is barely better than a placebo. They all spin.” To be approved by the FDA, a drug has to do better than a placebo in studies—but most approved drugs do only a little better, and for many drugs the evidence is mixed. A number of studies have indicated, for example, that most antidepressants don’t do better than placebos, but patients filled more than 250 million prescriptions for them in 2010. The vast majority of drugs don’t work in as many as 70 percent of patients, according to an estimate from within the pharmaceutical industry. One recent study concluded that 85 percent of new prescription drugs hitting the market are of little or no benefit to patients.


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Pradaxa is will be approved for anticoagulation soon I am sure, it is only for Afib right now.


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I have been reading about that drug, it seesm to get a better response from peopl, however good diet and lemon juice are already aproved oxo


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So--- you are indeed in a HOUSE TV episode.. and we all agree this is serious: so please take heed.

OK ~so I am HOUSE! not you.. you are the miserably feeling patient.

OK so it is a clot.. and with the Leiden test mentioned I am certain that they would find that you may have a predisposition to getting clots (like when you stit for hours confined to a specific position.. BUT clots can also form in all the rest of the body, so look out .. .. hopefully never again - and only just supposing, but you had one clot -- so yes continue the lemon for at least the 3 month if it will NOT cause you stomch issues.. also add other foods like green leaves maybe?? ..

As for Aspirin, it is not on our O schedule.. I have asked Dr D if we could take Vit E instead.. but that was in place of Aspirin.. not to disolve a clot, so I dont know..
and he never wrote about it as far as I can see.. maybe he would if asked again..or he thinks that conventional treatment is ok when there is a life saving situation ..
you are your second life.. so make good...  

So while you are down in MY (house) hospital I am going to visit your home to see if Em has any toys that might be BAD for you to play with..  and see just what you are having in or under your fridge.. haha

say hi to Em .. it's really here we care about..
you had your life - and (HOUSE) -------is in need to fight hospital expences, so we are keeping secret that we are smuggling a non compliant lollipop to her..

Since you made it so far, so you might survive.. but that is a chance you have to take.. but since you are still under the doctors care (oh she is so nice and good looking too.. House- Looking back over his shoulder.. ) but with further tests for your innerds at least you are no longer out in the wilderness.. please for now remain under  the doctors review.. thanks..

BTD might have saved your BUTT, as you at least might have done most food right.. but the risk and waiting so long was just stupid.. period.. and I am not House here.. ahaha going to a doctor for advise will not kill anyone if we also THINK...

So to continuing witht he story I told you about the man I talked about,, no he was a runner.. 3-8 and swimmer, no smoking, healthy office environment, loving wife and mentally still fit 20 years later.. so back to the Leiden test is something to look at -- ask the lady doctor..  

as for your hand .. for now don't worry, but if in 5 minutes it is not better then call the doctor..

The stiff back might also be  nothing``` but just to make you crazy all around``` my dad died IN the hospital (3weeks) with severe back pain.. I was not there for the weeks before, so no way of knowing what doctors would have told my siblings.. but knowing how he died I know- he ruptured on anurism that is seemingly near the spine and would cause severe pain.. THIS STORY has nothing to do with you this time `` its just chat to tuck away...

..... all I am saying: ok so yes do your own thing, learn and study all that you can, take the test if they are available .. and make your doctor nuts by asking questions.. Your Europen Doctors need to be trained to TALK, making getting off their high horses god like status is a good thing -to be done for the next generation of patients.. who are entitled to know as much as possible.. and if enough people ARE WILLING to be KNOWING then the doc's will learn that it is not as scary as they think.

I am for now declaring that I cured YOUre thick headed ness.. (poor EM) and you can go on your merry way.. I have other battles to fight.. did you read that I am going on new drops altering my diet form soso compliancy to 100% compliant -yet eating will be at different times in my day to give my bodyshape to change...... Hahaha....  6 drops a day to keep 'hunger' away.. hahah  

Hey- I loved this HOUSE episode..   ..   HUMOR is the best medicine..


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as for your 2 more recent posts.. yes it takes a lot to be safe in hospitals.. I checked myself out 2- 3 times before they would have.. took matters into my hands and fixed myself from the meds.. but I also looked for a doctor who would listen und explain things and work WITH me against some drugs and not against some others..

be happy that you are OK, I dont know, but klemon juice might be good -but will it SAFELY dissolve a clot?? AND NOT ALLOW IT TO travel tou your lungs or worse.. time might tell.. but ask the doc to do some research.. she should know..

where do you live.. what city near you? what town in case I will ever get to europe and travel further then my home country.. then I can say .. oh how pretty it is here.. hahaha   what is your name here from? it fits you... do you check policies??? what kind .. in case I ever need help..    have a good day..  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Goldie you're nuts, but in a nice way. lol

I live In Belfast Goldie, in Northern Ireland. I was an insurance analyst for 25 years, so there is not much that i don't know about and life, investment, health or pension contracts. although I'm less up to speed with any contacts started in the last five years. although technically they wouldn't be that different.

thinks ponzi scheme and you have a good basis for understanding insurance. oxo


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Not suggesting you should take pradaxa just adding it to the conversation.


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going to have to start highlighting stuff in orange when I'm attempting To be humorous, in future as the obviously isn't sufficient. lol


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PC. compliment accepted...  so how did you get to retire and stay home so young??


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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think of it more as a temporary retirement while being available and sorting daughters health out.

Savings now used up so soon I'll be back to work in one way or another but not this year.

we survive by being careful and not being flash. rather than buying things for Emily we spent time with her, that sort of thing. but as she gets older i imagine that will be harder to do.


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PC,

Both of those articles about drugs are spot on...  

Nowishow said quite eloquently what I have been thinking through this whole thread.  If there is a way that natural therapy will work, give it a chance...  I am a firm believer that the body knows far better what to do to heal itself...

I have always developed a sensitivity to drugs (except penicillin) before they had a chance to work for the purpose intended.  Now that I know I have a sluggish liver, it explains why - but because of that, I will attempt to heal naturally before subjecting myself to Western Allopathic methods.  

Obviously trauma situations, where time is essential, need to be treated expediently...


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well now a day one can work from home..

There is a business I know of that might be a kick start for any peron able to see around corners..



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Had a bit of a rough night last night, by back was so sore it was unbearable. someone said it might be my kidneys, what next i hear you say. i agree. once i got up this morning it was fine but i could hardly move without some pretty horrific pain in my back last night.

I feel fine again today.





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Had a bit of a rough night last night, by back was so sore it was unbearable. someone said it might be my kidneys, what next i hear you say. i agree. once i got up this morning it was fine but i could hardly move without some pretty horrific pain in my back last night.

It may have been a short-term overload on the kidneys, depending on the specific location of the pain...  Doesn't sound like anything major if you don't have any residual soreness this morning...  


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I have heard that, despite what many people think, a kidney problem is actually a rare cause of back pain.  If the pain comes back, I wouldn't rule out the kidneys, but if the pain doesn't return, I don't think there's any worry.


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