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Our daughter, type O secretor, just graduated from college.  She is suffering terribly from allergies.  It may be from our pets, although it is confusing because did live with a cat and dog in Arizona at school and didn't have the same allergy symptoms.  She is sure it is from our cats.

Our pets are old and it is not an option for us to get rid of them.  We have three dogs (two age 11, one daughter of the older of the two dogs age 9) and three cats, one of whom is her cat from Arizona (two 12 1/2 and her cat who is about 2).  In all likelihood, she will move out of here within the next three to six months to live on her own.  

I need some serious help to get her through these next few months.  I am interested in understanding what supplements would be good and maybe a whole house air filter.  Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.  She is currently taking Claritin, but it is not helping.  

She is NOT on the BTD.  However, she is currently on the new Atkins diet.  This was the closest I could get her to a more protein-based diet for weight loss.  She is 23 and very independent and not necessarily interested in what I have to say.  The new Atkins diet is a good start for her, as she has at least cut out both the wheat and the sugar.  She just began the Atkins.  I know that the vast majority of the food she ate prior to this week was wheat and sugar based.  I guess this is what most college students live on, regardless of what their parents eat at home.  


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Our daughter, type O secretor, just graduated from college.  She is suffering terribly from allergies.  It may be from our pets, although it is confusing because did live with a cat and dog in Arizona at school and didn't have the same allergy symptoms.  She is sure it is from our cats.

Our pets are old and it is not an option for us to get rid of them.  We have three dogs (two age 11, one daughter of the older of the two dogs age 9) and three cats, one of whom is her cat from Arizona (two 12 1/2 and her cat who is about 2).  In all likelihood, she will move out of here within the next three to six months to live on her own.  

I need some serious help to get her through these next few months.  I am interested in understanding what supplements would be good and maybe a whole house air filter.  Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.  She is currently taking Claritin, but it is not helping.  

She is NOT on the BTD.  However, she is currently on the new Atkins diet.  This was the closest I could get her to a more protein-based diet for weight loss.  She is 23 and very independent and not necessarily interested in what I have to say.  The new Atkins diet is a good start for her, as she has at least cut out both the wheat and the sugar.  She just began the Atkins.  I know that the vast majority of the food she ate prior to this week was wheat and sugar based.  I guess this is what most college students live on, regardless of what their parents eat at home.  


The Collisonia Plus from NAP has really helped me.  I am off generic claritin for the firs time in years.  I still have allergies, but they are much less severe.  This is one of the less expensive supplements $15.  
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quercetin with bromelain
nettles
collinsonia
use of a neti pot or nasaline sinus rinse

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Collinsonia was on sale, last time I looked.



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May want to investigate desensitizing to cat allergens.

Nambudripad's Allergy Elimination Techniques(NAET) is one approach that is sometimes used to do this.

http://www.naet.com/


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My guess is that her problems stem from environmental allergens, not the pets. She had pets in Arizona, and she was fine. Now that she's back on the East Coast, her allergies are acting up. Either it's pollen (from plants that don't grow in AZ) or she's got a problem with mold due to the humidity here.

Honey is neutral for O secretors, and local honey is supposed to be very good for treating seasonal allergies. I don't know if she'd be willing to consume honey since she's on Atkins, but a teaspoonful a day (preferably at bedtime, when it might make her sleepy) won't wreck her carbs for the day and is enough to provide honey's protective effects. Just make sure you get a good quality, raw, local honey. Pasturized honey doesn't have that effect, and it will do her no good to become immune to pollen from  New Zealand rather than MA.

Nasal rinsing is incredibly helpful for allergies. If she also has itchy,watery eyes from her allergies, suggest she also rinse her eyes with saline. I've been doing that daily for years, and it helps a lot. I use the neti pot then rinse the extra saline over my eyes.


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For the first 50 years of my life I was plagued by allergies.  At various times of the year I had scratchy throat, hives, itchy skin and post nasal drip.  I took antihistamines most of the year.  When I started the BTD in 2003, my allergies slowly vanished.  

My husband’s worst allergy is to cedar (also called ash juniper).  When we moved to the country, we were moving into an area with lots of cedar trees.  He was resigned to doing a steroid nasal spray during cedar season for the rest of his life.  He got serious about the BTD when his blood sugar put him in pre-diabetes.  He not only took his blood sugar down, but lost most of the cedar allergy.  He had very few days last winter when he had to use the spray.

Neither of us have taken supplements specifically for allergies.  We do multiples, calcium/magnesium, kelp, garlic, glucosamine.  Nothing extraordinary.  

It’s hard to get a young Type O to commit to the BTD because the culturally popular foods are all wheat based.  I know I have a young adult Type O of my own.    

I also know that getting the lectins out of my digestive system sure made a big improvement for me.  


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Try to get her to avoid dairy at least.  When I go off BTD to have dairy, the mucus can be overwhelming.

Claritin never helped me, either.  Benedryl works great, but it makes me drowsy so I use it only at night whenever absolutely necessary.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Thank you.  These are all very helpful suggestions.  Some of the suggestions bring up more questions.

1.  Should I take her to an allergist to have her tested to find out her specific allergy?  We had a bad experience at an allergist with our son, so I have avoided them with her.  I suppose it is not a bad idea to at least confirm whether it is cats or environmental, however.  She is convinced it is cats and I am hoping it is not, so maybe it would finally put it to bed one way or the other?

2.  Are there other methods that can pinpoint the allergen?

3. Has anyone tried the NAET method?  I checked on line and there are several practitioners in our area.  It sounds interesting.  I will buy the book or the CD.  She is dyslexic, so maybe the CD is a better choice.  I'll ask her which she would prefer.  Do you think this is a better idea than taking her to a local naturopath?

4.  I will talk to her about eliminating the dairy, but right now she has eliminated the wheat and that may be enough for now.  She loves goat cheese, which is allowed for O secretors.  Is it acceptable to ask her to eliminate the dairy products she is not allowed and to continue to consume the dairy products she is allowed?   That would sure make her more compliant.


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4.  I will talk to her about eliminating the dairy, but right now she has eliminated the wheat and that may be enough for now.  She loves goat cheese, which is allowed for O secretors.  Is it acceptable to ask her to eliminate the dairy products she is not allowed and to continue to consume the dairy products she is allowed?    That would sure make her more compliant.


That would be my approach also.



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  Is it acceptable to ask her to eliminate the dairy products she is not allowed and to continue to consume the dairy products she is allowed?   That would sure make her more compliant.


That's how I approached it with my daughters and my Mom. I dont' really worry too much about portion sizes with my kids, but I'm pretty strict about keeping them away from avoids. Plus I'm trying to get DS to eat more fruits and veggies, but that's a separate issue. My Mom is interested in BTD, but not ready to make serious changes. She happily exchanged whole wheat bread for Trader Joe's spelt bread, and cream cheese for goat cheese (though she probably still eats some cream cheese that she keeps in the fridge for my B son, and makes zero effort to be compliant when she's away from home.)

She's not a toddler anymore. You can't present her with plates of food and expect her to only eat what you've offered. You have to educate her, guide her, and support her. Buying compliant stuff for her is being supportive. But you can't stop her from eating what she wants away from home, or from eating stuff that's compliant for other family members, but not her.


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3. Has anyone tried the NAET method?  I checked on line and there are several practitioners in our area.  It sounds interesting.  I will buy the book or the CD.  She is dyslexic, so maybe the CD is a better choice.  I'll ask her which she would prefer.  Do you think this is a better idea than taking her to a local naturopath?

I used NAET prior to starting BTD.  My practitioner was the founder of the technique.  It works well, but I found that the sensitivities can and will return if you don't keep dietary toxins out.  I also know that there are practitioners that are not as effective with the NAET techniques as the founder is, so you may get a practitioner that is less effective.  I was taught how to self-treat using NAET, so I use it along with Dr. D's plan.  I also still use a different practitioner to help guide me through the detox maze and make sure that I keep the internal organs healthy while I clean out the stored garbage.

Another piece of information that you should know is that if she is "allergic" to cats or environmental toxins, she is also "allergic" to many foods.  In order to have the body so reactionary, it has to be a buildup of reactions and ill health.

I can't answer whether NAET is better than a local Naturopath, as I have no idea what regimen the Dr. would use.  If he convinced her to follow Dr. D's diet plan, it would be better to take her there.  From my experience, I am convinced that Dr. D's dietary lifestyle is more powerful than any other single protocol I have used.


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How long has she been back on the east coast?
The difference in climates from Arizona to there are huge!
When I lived in Orange county, CA, where it is more humid than the high desert, I only had seasonal type hay fever. Since being on the dry, windy desert I have gotten steadily worse.
Sometimes just a change/move like hers will trigger more symptoms. An allergist told my Dad that if you moved about every 3 years you wouldn't suffer from severe allergies...just the move away...anywhere...would make the difference.
Recently, I have heard about many people developing/suffering from allergies.


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That's how I approached it with my daughters and my Mom. I dont' really worry too much about portion sizes with my kids, but I'm pretty strict about keeping them away from avoids. Plus I'm trying to get DS to eat more fruits and veggies, but that's a separate issue. My Mom is interested in BTD, but not ready to make serious changes. She happily exchanged whole wheat bread for Trader Joe's spelt bread, and cream cheese for goat cheese (though she probably still eats some cream cheese that she keeps in the fridge for my B son, and makes zero effort to be compliant when she's away from home.)

She's not a toddler anymore. You can't present her with plates of food and expect her to only eat what you've offered. You have to educate her, guide her, and support her. Buying compliant stuff for her is being supportive. But you can't stop her from eating what she wants away from home, or from eating stuff that's compliant for other family members, but not her.


Yes, Ruthie, obviously as a 23 year old who was away in Arizona for five years and lived in a house rathter than a dorm for four of those five years, she is used to making her own food choices.  I realized that I had lost control of my kids' eating habits once they went to middle school.  The only meals I could control were the ones I prepare at home.  Being on the Atkins diet has helped me to help her make some choices and decisions about food.  I did the shopping for the diet for her and purchased food that I knew was compliant.  I talked to her about ordering food at a restaurant and how restaurants will always swap out sides without question.  I have explained to her about how goat cheese is allowed and she should stick with goat cheese or feta.  She seems to be open to that, mostly because she wants to lose weight for a wedding.

It will be interesting to see if her allergies lessen in a couple of weeks of being on what is basically an O secretor diet.  Does anyone know how long it can take to see the positive benefits?  I don't know how long she will stick with Atkins.  I am slowly trying to educate her to the similarities of her Atkins diet and my diet.  Right now she seems open, but as with all mother-daughter relationships, I need to be careful not to push too hard or she will push right back.


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I used NAET prior to starting BTD.  My practitioner was the founder of the technique.  It works well, but I found that the sensitivities can and will return if you don't keep dietary toxins out.  I also know that there are practitioners that are not as effective with the NAET techniques as the founder is, so you may get a practitioner that is less effective.  I was taught how to self-treat using NAET, so I use it along with Dr. D's plan.  I also still use a different practitioner to help guide me through the detox maze and make sure that I keep the internal organs healthy while I clean out the stored garbage.

Another piece of information that you should know is that if she is "allergic" to cats or environmental toxins, she is also "allergic" to many foods.  In order to have the body so reactionary, it has to be a buildup of reactions and ill health.

I can't answer whether NAET is better than a local Naturopath, as I have no idea what regimen the Dr. would use.  If he convinced her to follow Dr. D's diet plan, it would be better to take her there.  From my experience, I am convinced that Dr. D's dietary lifestyle is more powerful than any other single protocol I have used.



Thank you, Joe.  The idea that she has food allergies would not surprise me.  She told me when we went to AZ for her graduation that she had been having severe stomach cramps and diarrhea for about three weeks on and off.  Immediately I thought of wheat as a culprit and told her that we eat wheat free at home and if she could avoid wheat (impossible for a college student who drinks beer  ) until she got home, it would help to see how her stomach reacted.  One of her friends actually told her it might be wheat as well, so it was good that her contemporary mentioned the same thing I did.  She had not had wheat or sugar so far since Saturday.

We are certainly taking this one day at a time and I am not pushing my diet on her.  She will need to come to that herself, but we are definitely on the right track.


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How long has she been back on the east coast?
The difference in climates from Arizona to there are huge!
When I lived in Orange county, CA, where it is more humid than the high desert, I only had seasonal type hay fever. Since being on the dry, windy desert I have gotten steadily worse.
Sometimes just a change/move like hers will trigger more symptoms. An allergist told my Dad that if you moved about every 3 years you wouldn't suffer from severe allergies...just the move away...anywhere...would make the difference.
Recently, I have heard about many people developing/suffering from allergies.


She got home on May 19th and her symptoms have gotten steadily worse.  She seemed somewhat better today, although I could be wrong.  She just seemed happier today  

She was home for spring break for a week in March and was home for a month, mid-December to mid-January.  And she was home all last summer.  

I thought the desert was supposed to be better for allergies   It seemed to help her allergies.


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This spring has been one of the worst in years, in terms of the sheer volume of pollen in the air. I'm not sure of all the science behind it, but it has something to do with the nasty winter we had. March was before it warmed up enough for the trees to release pollen, January was certainly too early for pollen, and last summer was "last year" when the pollen simply wasn't as bad.

This is the first time she's been on the East Coast since the "Pollen Season from Hell" began, so it makes sense that she's reacting now, even though she didn't before. It's also possible that she has a slight allergy to animal fur, but that is only acting up because her body is dealing with pollen too.


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This spring has been one of the worst in years, in terms of the sheer volume of pollen in the air. I'm not sure of all the science behind it, but it has something to do with the nasty winter we had. March was before it warmed up enough for the trees to release pollen, January was certainly too early for pollen, and last summer was "last year" when the pollen simply wasn't as bad.

This is the first time she's been on the East Coast since the "Pollen Season from Hell" began, so it makes sense that she's reacting now, even though she didn't before. It's also possible that she has a slight allergy to animal fur, but that is only acting up because her body is dealing with pollen too.


The problem with your theory, Ruthie, is that she always suffers some form of allergic reaction when she comes home, despite the time of year.  Certainly the pollen makes it worse, but she did have issues in Dec-Jan when she was home.  


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I suffered with pollen allergies most of my life until I changed my diet and cut the sugar, cow's milk, gluten and other food sensitivities that were identified.  Took supplements to support the adrenals and immune.  I worked with various doctors, and found the ones who had holistic training were the most helpful.


Gluten/Casein and Yeast sensitivity.
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I thought the desert was supposed to be better for allergies   It seemed to help her allergies.

This depends on what the allergens are...  If there are mold or humidity related allergies, or plants of the wet area - the desert would be better.

If the allergies are to dryness, dust or the desert foliage - or the dryness irritates the mucous membranes, then the desert would not be better...

There can also be emotional allergies to locations or people that can add into the mix...


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Forget the allergist.  The one we went to wanted me to avoid cats.  I can now live with 3.  He also said we couldn't keep the dog because of the severe asthma my wife was suffering with.  We still have the dog.

The allergist completely refused to even talk about food allergies when I told him that some foods seemed to bother me.  He said he wouldn't test for food allergies.  Instead, he suggested that I try an elimination diet.

I think what's happening in your daughter's case is that the environmental allergens in MA are in far greater number than they were in AZ, especially if you live in a valley where allergens tend to collect.  She is reacting to this.  The body is like a vessel.  It can handle some allergens.  Pour in too many allergens, and it will overflow and cause problems.  I think the combination of the Atkins diet and beneficial (or neutral) dairy will help.  Try also the allergy protocol (Quercetin, etc).  Make sure she's aware of the wheat in gravies, soy sauce, etc.

Good luck!


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Could there be any mold in your house? She might be reacting to that as well.

Or it might be the "bucket effect" where the cat and dog allergens only cause problems when she's already dealing with environmental allergens (which doens't explain the problems over Winter break, unless there are other allergens inside of your home, such as mold, or chemical offgassing from carpets or furniture or something like that.)

She also might be allergic to the specific breed(s) of animal you have, but not to the specific animals she lived with in AZ. Or maybe to something in their diet, or a product used on their coats. what's different about your cats than the cat she had before?


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Thank goodness I found an ENT that is willing to help with food and environmental allergies...and respects my BTD!


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