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Thanks Brinyskysail, good point.  Would be good to be in two places, cross referencing, are you a librarian?    Always thought about being one myself!  Should see my dvd collection catalogue.

Was worried though cos it's outside of the blood type diet universe.  Testing the waters a bit here.  It's also spread all over the internet with many different views on it and no real scientific backup with studies etc.  Though there are many open minds on this forum, like you, which makes it a great place!    Will do one day.


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Since you just got more supplements, I thought it was a good reminder for determining if you're absorbing supplements.  I completely gave up on some things I was taking because I don't think I was absorbing them, and it's too expensive to take them for nothing.  It also makes it difficult because if you don't absorb them you get no effect from them and then the question arises of whether you don't need it or whether you need it and just aren't absorbing it.  confusion
I'm pretty sure I'm absorbing at least some of what I take.  I can feel the difference in energy when I lay off on B5 or licorice root, and I felt my muscle strength come back (some) when I backed off the magnesium.
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It might be helpful for people in the future to start a new thread just for pyroluria and repost the info from this thread.  There is a lot of good info (Thanks, Symbi ) so it would be a shame if peope missed out on it because they were looking in the wrong place.  It's also good to have the info here, though, since you're connecting it to bipolar and this thread mentions bipolar in the title.  Anyway, a thought...
Agreed.  You can post it appropriately in the Encyclopedia forum.
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Agreed.  You can post it appropriately in the Encyclopedia forum.


I'm really not sure what "appropriately in the Encyclopedia forum" means.  That's why I suggested it...because I don't know what to do about it myself

No, Symbi, I'm not a librarian, but I do tend to keep things quite orderly   For me, ordered surroundings = ordered mind


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I'm really not sure what "appropriately in the Encyclopedia forum" means.  That's why I suggested it...because I don't know what to do about it myself


To create a thread there follow this link to the Encyclopedia forum:

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-encloplib/

Then click on the "New Thread" link at the top of the Encyclopedia forum page:


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I could have said that more clearly.  The bit about where to post was more in response to Symbi's concern that pyroluria isn't related to BTD.  The Encyclopedia/D'Adamo Library forum is "The place to discuss specific medical conditions, diseases, syndromes and other health challenges", so it should be posted there.
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Thanks everyone now I know where to go - I'm sorry for hijacking your thread TJ!

I had a thought related to the original topic.   They are saying in the study that bipolar types had problems with side to side balance from the hips.  To me that movement of swaying left to right cooincides with the thought "I don't know, I'm in two minds, I could go that way about it or the other".  

Just a theory.  Could be something to do with left and right hemispheres brain dominance.  
Worth reading up about that!  Maybe that's for another thread again!  

Found this quote on it (very interesting article!):
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"HAND, HEMISPHERE, AND PSYCHOSIS

Hemisphere “dominance” does not mean that one side of the brain controls the other side. Rather, a person’s dominant hemisphere is the one in which the brain’s language processes and the motor capacities that facilitate speech reside. As emphasized by Michael Gazzaniga, Ph.D., a former Dartmouth College researcher now at the University of California, Santa Barbara, who has studied functions and interactions of the hemispheres, for most people the left hemisphere is dominant for language, including speech, and the right is specialized for tasks such as recognizing faces, grasping spatial relations, and paying attention. A thick bundle of nerve fibers, called the corpus callosum, connects the hemispheres of the brain, providing us with the sense that our brain is integrated. But do right-hemisphere skills explain why left-handed baseball, tennis, and handball players have been found to display better coordination between vision and spatial-motor tasks? ......

Klar believes his theory also may explain why there is a threefold higher prevalence of non-right-handedness in people with schizophrenia and people with bipolar disorder. Some studies of families with several members who have either schizophrenia or bipolar disease suggest abnormalities related to hemisphere asymmetry. In particular, the affected family members with psychoses seem to have brain hemispheres that are more symmetrical in terms of their functioning, with language processes present in both hemispheres. While many studies point to some genetic basis for psychosis, no gene mutation has been identified, despite decades of research. " http://www.dana.org/news/cerebrum/detail.aspx?id=656

Apparently it's not usual to have such symmetrical hemispheres. I've read elsewhere that mood disorders like borderline personality are related to left and right brain switching.

I can relate to that.  Don't think I'm crazy it's under control! Rampant hijacking, thinking and researching isn't tho.  


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Here's a fun test, see which side of the brain you are using at the moment.  I see her spinning clockwise so I'm using the right hand side.  Other times I see her spinning the other way    Hours of fun!

http://www.perthnow.com.au/fun-games/left-brain-vs-right-brain/story-e6frg46u-1111114517613


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thanks, Symbi, that is fun....plus your research is interesting...
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This link is kind of goofy, but page 2 of a review of 3 books regarding antidepressants coming out. There are page number links on there if you look close...
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/jun/23/epidemic-mental-illness-why/?page=2
Thanks to Dr. N for sharing.


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Thanks jayneeo!  Anyone else see her spinning clockwise - am I the only one in my right brain?  he he

Interesting link AKArtlover.  Good to see all different sides of the pictures.  They are major drugs and the body tries to compensate - I've seen studies that SSRIs end up decreasing the number of serotonin receptors, which is beneficial to some people.  Also read Gingko Biloba can increase those receptors and be taken at the same time as SSRIs to alleviate many side effects.  

No doubt a lot of depression is helped by placebos and changes in attitudes.  


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TJ-  That really makes sense for me.  My NMT practitioner did a sensorymotor pathway on me and I've been in much better balance (emotionally) since then.  I had pretty good physical balance and such, thanks to taekwondo and yoga, but this time of year I'm usually in a constant state of sensory overload.  I've always been clumsy, taekwondo has helped in the sense that I can now catch most of the things I drop, but coordination was never really my strong suit.  

I'm bipolar-SAD, and I can't begin to tell you how grateful I am for the diagnosis (well the SAD part was diagnosed, I figured out the bipolar part one spring after I'd beaten the depression away enough to become hypomanic).  Of course SAD has other treatments in the arsenal, like light therapy (or avoiding sunlight in the manic phase).  Today I got a lot of sun at the carnival, and didn't go into overload or get angry or agitated, so that was really amazing for me.

I know things are all inter-connected, and feel that many emotional problems are manifestations of faulty processes within many systems of the body...I'm glad they're starting to make some connections.


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I see her spinning clockwise...(I responded to the first page of the thread again, and just read through some of the other pages, so I'm a little behind here).


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perhaps might it be much easier to acknowledge the psychological types we can be we once learned about how our liquids are influencing our moods... and yup it truly matches perfectly, even in our days ....btw... I think eating accordingly to our bloodtypes helpes us tremendiously to feel better and to become "the one we shall become*  


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Wow, she was going clockwise.  I would've thought the other way for myself.  That is very interesting.

My son is seeing clockwise also.  Now I'm getting skeptical.


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when I looked at her directly she goes clockwise but when I read the text next to her then she changes to the other way around and when I look at her then she changes yet again just by me looking elsewhere.. she keeps on changing..  unless I lokk directly at her..

so now what?


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Clockwise for me, too.
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Clockwise for me three. I couldn't even get her to switch when I was trying to, although I know I've been able to do so in the past.


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I can only write well when I'm depressed, so I don't have much to say.

One side affect of depression for me is memory loss.  I will go back and read stuff I've written on this site and have no recollection of writing it or even feeling that way.

TJ, have you looked into Bach Flower remedies?  I think you would benefit from seeing an ND.  If you save even $200, you can pay for a visit and a good many supplements (many of mine are made in Utah--maybe they'd be cheaper there).  There are some really great homeopathic formulas that I know have helped me tremendously just to feel more balanced and calm but not tired.  The funny thing is that most practitioners have told me I need calming/settling herbs, and it's always confused me because I'm so tired!  But because of the extreme fatigue and inability to rest (because I...um...have children), my nervous system was actually becoming frantic.  That physical frantic-ness was what they were picking up on, and it's what's calmed down now.


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Yeah, young living oils is probably your neighbor!  That's some good stuff.  But not cheap.

So we're all seeing her clockwise.  I think there's something wrong with the test.  We can't all be right brainers.


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I saw counter-clockwise mostly.  Like Goldie, when I looked at her directly she went clockwise for a few seconds.  
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I can only write well when I'm depressed, so I don't have much to say.
I've noticed that my writing is better then, too.

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TJ, have you looked into Bach Flower remedies?  I think you would benefit from seeing an ND.  If you save even $200, you can pay for a visit and a good many supplements (many of mine are made in Utah--maybe they'd be cheaper there).
I haven't yet.  Now that I'm gainfully employed, I just might be able to get some outside help.  Utah does seem to be a mecca of health and wellness enthusiasts; I shouldn't have a problem finding a practitioner here!  But I need a vehicle, an apartment, and new glasses first.
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TJ, have you looked into Bach Flower remedies?  I think you would benefit from seeing an ND.  If you save even $200, you can pay for a visit and a good many supplements (many of mine are made in Utah--maybe they'd be cheaper there).  There are some really great homeopathic formulas that I know have helped me tremendously just to feel more balanced and calm but not tired.  The funny thing is that most practitioners have told me I need calming/settling herbs, and it's always confused me because I'm so tired!  But because of the extreme fatigue and inability to rest (because I...um...have children), my nervous system was actually becoming frantic.  That physical frantic-ness was what they were picking up on, and it's what's calmed down now.


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I saw counter-clockwise mostly.  Like Goldie, when I looked at her directly she went clockwise for a few seconds.  


Woooah.  A counter clockwiser.  No way!!  Are you sure it's counter?  


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Woooah.  A counter clockwiser.  No way!!  Are you sure it's counter?  


Yep.  I tend to be left brain.  I often wondered if it is because I was raised by my dad, no mom in the house. Not sure.  It could be the INTP.

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