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This lefty observed that she was spinning around clockwise (when looking down on her). (Lefties are always in their right mind   ) While reading the text she was spinning counter clockwise.

That is a very interesting visual effect.


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I see counter clockwise no matter what.  I tried looking from different angles, looking at the sides of the screens, looking directly at her - I still saw counter clockwise


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i see her spinning both ways - she just stops and changes direction again and again ad infinitum.
Wonder if she can do it with her eyes closed
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So, about the B6.  When I started taking it (in the morning) I only noticed my dreams more when I took a nap during the day, so I started taking it in the evening also (200 mg each time).  Now I notice it!

I wish my dreams weren't quite as vivid and/or memorable now (but I know I need the B6).  This morning I dreamed about a black widow spider the size of my hand, and the only thing I had to kill it with was a banana.  I had to hit it several times to kill it, and then a bunch of tiny spiders came out of its body.  Oh the horror, I HATE spiders!
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This morning I dreamed about a black widow spider the size of my hand, and the only thing I had to kill it with was a banana.



Valiant knight of the banana sword!


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goofiness aside, I'm glad you're noticing a difference already!


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Did you eat the banana?       :' (


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[*]pyroluria low levels of zinc, B6 and arachidonic acid (an omega-6 fat) (aka porphyria - real medical condition I suspect nonnies prone to it, one cause stress or heavy metal toxicity),
[*]histapenia Depressed folate, B3, B12 and excess copper (lack of histamine - histamine is increased by folate),
[*]histadelia Depressed calcium, methionine, B6 and excess folic acid (recognised medical condition histaminosis due to lack of copper containing DAO enzyme to break down histamine in gut and brain)
[*]as well as allergies, hypoglycemia, metal toxicities and more
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Here's a summary chart: http://www.nutritional-healing.com.au/content/condition.php?condition=Schizophrenia .  Lots of, sometimes dodgy information around the net talking about over and under methylation - that is one explanation but may not be all of it (DAO for instance).



Thanks Symbi for posting that.  I must look into Histadelia for my son.  The description sure fits.  I'll start another thread about it elsewhere.



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I need to eat my words.  The B6 at night is just too much.  I'm not sleeping as well!  I'm going to just take two pills in the morning instead of one in the morning and one in the evening.  Goodbye, spiders.
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lol squish the spiders, anything will do. Good to hear a difference is happening.  I take the Bs in the morning and some at lunch too cos they're too stimulating for me at night.  I take calming minerals at night before bed on a nearly empty stomach - do you know that oils and minerals together makes indigestible soap!    I've read that some recommend the other way round especially if you take P-5-P.  Probably the B6 needs more digestion to be turned into P-5-P so better digested in the morning.

Lots of people in their right brain on here - global thinkers no doubt!  Goldie IMHO people who switch that's good, so you're using both sides.  I've seen her both directions in the past.  It could change depending on what you are doing.

I think it's important to remember your dreams.  There are therapies for post traumatic stress where you roll your eyes around (like in REM sleep) while remembering traumatic events and it helps get over them.  Seems to me that dreams are a way of doing that.  I've gotten through many past issues since remembering dreams and working the symbols out in past six months or so

Melissa_J glad the info may have helped you step in the right direction.

Ribbit - there are linkages between Lyme and Pyroluria / KPU / HPU highlighted by Dietrich Klinghardt M.D., Ph.D.  Here's a summary his KPU / Lyme protocol and this guy has some interesting links too http://www.betterhealthguy.com/joomla/blog/181-kpu-talk-at-lymelighters  
There's info and a two hour talk by Dr Klinghardt here http://planetthrive.com/2010/04/hpukpu-protocol-for-lyme-and-autism/ Interesting he draws a link between increased EMF and exponential increases in mold toxin production.  Explains a lot!


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lol squish the spiders, anything will do. Good to hear a difference is happening.  I take the Bs in the morning and some at lunch too cos they're too stimulating for me at night.
Apparently they are for me, too.  I sleep much better last night.

I think I'm going to go for one of those kryptopyrole tests once other financial needs have been taken care of.  I'd like to know just how much B6 and zinc I'm going to need.
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I'm having bad dreams at night also, continually forget to take my vitamins.  I'm even better about exercise.  My dreams are very complex and intense, often with themes of travel, loss, chaos and danger.  
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Hey guys...
This is my fav. thread as I am a mentally challenged person.
I have just been through a bad period of depression.....it lasted 2 weeks. I work full time and just have had my "normal person" mask on while working but have been avoiding all the people that give a s@#t about me as I hate them to see me this messed up. As I am writing this my mind is clear again......I have no idea why this happens to me. I am 36 years old and 60% of the time I am an everyday member of society but the other 40% I live in a very dark place that no one else can understand.
Thats it I've had enough......time to sort out this brain of mine.
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Ascend9 - Well worth spending time to heal past traumas or work out and correct imbalances.  So much attention on physical health in this world, but the mental side plays second fiddle.  Being aware there is a problem is a great first step and becoming observant of yourself and situations.  There is hope.

The library is a great place for information.  Reading a great book at the moment "Will I ever be good enough - healing the daughters or narcissistic mothers".  My DH says it should just say "yes" and that would be a short book.    Am also seeing a counsellor.

TJ - good idea to do the test to be sure.  There is apparently the more accurate HPU test available in the US now through Vitamin Diagnostics.  See Dr Klinghart's advice here under how does one get tested / diagnosed.  http://planetthrive.com/2010/04/hpukpu-protocol-for-lyme-and-autism/  In the video he explains freeze small amount of urine through the day and then thaw them altogether, freeze together before sending (also add vitamin C and cover from light).  Those pesky things can apparently be elusive and be excreted at different times of day usually afternoons.  I read elsewhere that everyone make krypopyroles under stress.  The HPU test is supposedly more accurate.


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Symbi, you've given me lots to research and think about.  Thank you.


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Reading a great book at the moment "Will I ever be good enough - healing the daughters or narcissistic mothers"


WOW. The title of that book just clicked in my head. I have only love and compassion left for my mother, but in a nutshell-- it explains a lot. Already worked a lot of my stuff out in other ways, but WOW. Nice pattern recognition by the author. Added to wish list. Thanks!


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Yeah...another one to add to my list of used books to order online.


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Greetings all,  I have just found this thread, and wanted to add my experience with mental illness in both my mother and sister.  My mother was schizophrenic from the age of 30 somthing.  The three of us siblings went thru some trauma.  My sister was diagnosed bi-polar in her 40's after some stress, and was on lithium for over 20 years.  Now has switched to another drug, which seems to be working well for her.  For me, the shock of finding out that she had this diagnosis, and how she changed, was devestating.  I felt like I had lost my sister.  Our mother had died a few years before.  Even with the meds, she is a difficult person to relate with.  But the point that I wanted to make is, that when I learned about the low carb diet back in the 70's, I remember feeling so well, that I felt in my gut that my mother's illness had to have been made worse by her diet.  For years I was borderline anurexic while not eating right, just extremely low carb.  Then came the opposite thing, lots of so called multi-grains, and low fat.  I not only gained weight, but became depressed, and eventually became ill with cancer.  I am sure that there is a genetic predisposition to this disease, but stress must be the big factor.  And it is quite possible in my mind that food factors into the equation, to what degree, one cannot be sure.  One other thing someone brought up here was magnesium.  I had never heard that before, but I am intersted in that.  Back when I was very thin, I was having a lot of issues with muscle spasms.  In my back and neck.  I played a lot of tennis, and needed to figure that out.  I decided that I have a deficiency in magnesium, and began to supplement on and off.  After the cancer, I began having leg cramps at night, and started taking it again.  Now I take it twice a day and that problem is gone.  My sister had seizures as a college student for several years when she was eating one meal a day, this was way before the bi-polar.  So perhaps the magnesium deficiency is somehow a factor.  She is now taking it as well.  It is all such a puzzle, and I love to try to put it together.  Didn't mean to ramble on so, hope it is all helpful to someone.    


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Trsish 44 you have a story to tell.. you are a mearvel at being here and learning as we all do..

Are YOU well today? you have over come a lot.. !


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Thank you, yes, am doing well.  Still working at losing the weight gained after cancer and prednisone.  But it is slowly coming off.  Had my thyroid removed a year and a half ago, second time there was a benign tumor there.  So do feel better now that I am on that hormone.  My biggest issue is the arthritis in my back keeps me from doing all that I would like.  Though I am still able to play some doubles once a week, my mind still wants to play a tough game of singles, ha!  I recently began using a dhea cream, and it is making me feel a bit younger than my 66 years.  Think that will be an on and off thing for a while.  I am so thankful for feeling as well as I do, but there is always an effort to improve.  That is good.


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you are indeed a 'big' success all around keep it up.. all the best.


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Okay. I took the time to through the entire thread and saw very little in the way of bodywork modalities that might go in conjunction with the article.  Good mention on the crainal/sacral work.

The immediate thing that came to my mind was Rolfing.  I'm a big believer of this work bringing people into structural alignment.  I understand that it's not for everybody, and there may be people here who disagree with the benefits of Rolfing.

I recommend two books.  

One is by a Rolfer, Briah Anson. It's titled Rolfing, Stories of Personal Empowerment  It's a compilation of stories told from the voice/perspective of her patients, what they felt going through the Rolfing and the changes/benefits they experienced.

Anson writes:
A key principle of Rolfing is that "the body is a plastic medium."  The most immediate plastic component of the body is that we can get our hands on, and physically alter in form and function, is fascia.  Fascia give form to the body; it is the most pervasive tissue.  

Fascia surrounds every muscle cell, controlling and guiding its function.  It is a continuous wrapping that entwines all the muscle tissue in the bod, as well as every bone, nerve, organ, ligament, joint, cartilage and vessel.

Fascia can be broken down into three anatomical divisions: 1. superficial fascia which is below the skin. 2. Deep fascia, around muscle, bone, nerves, vessels and organs. 3. Deepest fascia, the drua of the craniosacral system.

Fascia, from the Latin meaning bands, responds to trauma by tightening and shortening, creating a chain reaction with other parts of the body and, over time, pulling the body out of proper alignment.
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The photos in the book are amazing of people's before and after photos.  And also interesting is a photo of a Gluetal muscles separated showing fascial wrapping.

Over 125 people were interviewed, although not all those interviews made it into the book. There are about 100 stories told either through narrative or photos. Anson also states, "Rolfing is an inherently individual endeavor. There is no typical Rolfing experience."  And the stories demonstrate that.

The first thing I thought of TJ, was one of the first stories in the book, about a baby that was born with extreme nurological damage.  The infant has been Rolfed on a regular basis from about 3 months of age. She's made nurological strides that more than doubled what the doctors expected she would be able to do so far; at time of publication, she's still a very young child.

Many of the individuals who have been Rolfed talk about a mental clarity that they gained that they didn't have before.

The other book is by my master bodywork teacher, William "Dub" Leigh, Bodytherapy, From Rolf to Feldenkrais to Tanouye Roshi.  The book is probably out of print and if you can't find a copy TJ, I have one I can loan you.

My teacher was in the first Rolfing class (a first-generation Rolfer) Ida Rolf gave. He also studied extensively with Moshe Feldenkrais. He is one of only two individuals to have been certified by both teachers.  Dub's last teacher was a Japanese Zen master, who taught him to work bodies with ki (chi) energy. Dub has said that was a master class, studying with the Roshi. (All life is energy and aberrations in structure block the smooth flow of that energy.)  Dub also studied directly with Lauren Berry, trigger points with John St. John and Trager work with Milton Trager.

A quote from Dub's book:
The human species is molded by instinct far less than any other animal species. We are unique because our nervous system is not wired in at birth. For the greater part we acquire our habits as we go. The calf drops from the cow clothed in fur, stands, finds a teat, and starts sucking. The human baby is born naked and helpless.  It can only cry and flail about when its needs are not met.  Animals are born completely wired with most of the patterns they will use during their entire lifetimes, and their brain size changes very little.  Humans are born with the most complex and and sophisticated nervous systems but with only one reflex operational at birth, the falling instinct which causes the baby to contract when dropped.  We learn most of the patterns we need to survive, and at maturity our brains are five times larger than at birth.  Compared with animals we have an infinite capacity to learn different patterns of behavior.  The sophistication of our nervous system makes self-awareness and muscular refinement possible to a remarkable degree. We have the possibility of living gracefully in full awareness.

If our nervous system ultimately gives us an advantage over animals, it also allows us to learn inefficient, aberrated patterns.  To perform the simple act of sitting, for example, we rarely align our structure and allow gravity to support us.  Instead we clench our thigh muscles, strain our back, constrict our breathing, push our neck forward, and so on, eventually impairing not only our motor activity but our thoughts and feelings as well.

What we wire into our nervous systems are not separate patterns of movement, thought, and feeling, but entire experiences.  The self records the movements, thoughts, and feelings of an experience as a whole.  They are inseparable, and changes in any are reflected in changes in all.
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If I've piqued your interest, let me know.

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KK, that is all so intriguing.  I have had but a few massages in my life, but I know that the very good ones have me coming out feeling wonderfully aligned and even taller.  Have no idea what Rolfing is.  But my husband had an acuaintance come out and do some sort of 'energy' treatment on him a while back.  At the time he was having a hip pain problem, and said that it went totally away after that 20 minute treatment.  There was no touching involved.  There has to be something to it all.  


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Ohhr you're welcome Ribbit.
Hope it helps you as much as it helped me.  


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