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one more term made up by the pharmaceutical industry


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Yeah feeling bratty, tend to agree.......I was diagnosed with it in my late 29s.  Went on Zoloft after many years off red meat, had a bipolar flip.  I've been more stable doing blood type & do think wheat is a mood disruptor.  

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Quoted from Lola
one more term made up by the pharmaceutical industry


Um...thanks for that wisdom, Lola.  Not.

My husband is bipolar, and I'm telling you that it is NOT a made up disease, but a very difficult, debilitating and challenging one that is very resistant to treatment (bipolar people don't tend to like to comply with anything, so that's added in).

Please don't say that something is "made up" if you haven't experienced it first hand.  That's like saying that alcoholism is a "made up disease".


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one more term made up by the pharmaceutical industry




Bipolar is very real.  I just wonder how much of it is caused by diet and other environmental factors (like toxicity)


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Antidepressants, Bipolar Disorder and the Chemical Enslavement of Humankind by Drug Companies

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While I agree with much in the article, I need to point out that the invention of lithium saved my brother in law (he was able to stay out of the hospital and live a happy life) from the fate of his mother....she suffered enormously from bipolar disorder requiring hospitalization and worse....unfortunately she was born too early to benefit from lithium. Not saying its for everyone....its certainly not for the ups and downs of life, its a chemical imbalance that is insurmountable.......and if it can be fixed without drugs...yay! But if not....
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Quoted from Lola
one more term made up by the pharmaceutical industry
I don't know if the cause for my disorder is what the pharmaceutical industry thinks it is, but I sure didn't make it up.

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Um...thanks for that wisdom, Lola.  Not.

My husband is bipolar, and I'm telling you that it is NOT a made up disease, but a very difficult, debilitating and challenging one that is very resistant to treatment (bipolar people don't tend to like to comply with anything, so that's added in).

Please don't say that something is "made up" if you haven't experienced it first hand.  That's like saying that alcoholism is a "made up disease".
For real EP.

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Bipolar is very real.  I just wonder how much of it is caused by diet and other environmental factors (like toxicity)
I wasn't diagnosed with bipolar disorder until roughly a year and a half after starting the BTD.  I had recognized the depression side for years but not the hypomania.  I didn't see that I was bipolar, but I had friends who did but wouldn't tell me what they were thinking because they knew I wouldn't listen to them -- and they were right!  One of those friends told me (unprompted) that I was much better since starting the BTD, and that was right when I was diagnosed but hadn't started on the meds yet.

Like I said, I don't know what causes my bipolar disorder, but I'm sure it varies from person to person, and I know that eating right has helped.  Even with the improvements in my diet and other aspects of my lifestyle, I still need medications to stay balanced, stable, and consistently high-functioning.  I hope that I will eventually heal enough that I don't need them any longer, but as little as I like it, that may never happen.

Yes, the pharmaceutical industry is full of unscrupulous players.  Yes, drugs are often too much of a crutch in our society.  Yes, sometimes drugs are ineffective or even dangerous.  But that doesn't make them categorically evil.  Pharmaceutical and natural approaches to wellness are not mutually exclusive.  For me, both are necessary!

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I know where you're going with this.  Bipolar disorder is what I have, not what I am.  The cause of this problem lies in my body, my flesh, not in the essence of who I am.

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Tell me what you think I should do, then.  Should I quit my meds?

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So anyway, let's talk about the article.

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Problems with balance, postural control and other motor control issues are frequently experienced by people with mood and psychiatric disorders such as bipolar disorder and schizophrenia, and neurological disorders such as Huntington's and Parkinson's disease, but research into the connections is scant.

If problems with postural control -- maintaining balance while holding oneself upright -- are a core component of bipolar disorder, as the study indicates, the researchers say it is possible that the motor abnormalities could appear before other symptoms, signaling an increased risk for the disorder.

It raises the question of whether therapies that improve motor symptoms may also help mood disorders, said Amanda R. Bolbecker, lead author of the study "Postural control in bipolar disorder: Increased sway area and decreased dynamical complexity," published last week in the Public Library of Science ONE.
The article really caught my attention because I can relate to the "postural control" problem they describe.  It's nearly impossible for me to stand on one foot with my eyes closed, and my sense of where I am in relation to the things around me is not terribly reliable.  I have to look at the steps when I'm on stairs or I risk tripping or falling!

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The study begins with the understanding that areas of the brain that are critical for motor control, mainly the cerebellum, basal ganglia and brain stem, also aid in mood regulation and are areas where abnormalities often are found in people with bipolar disorder. Postural sway -- a measure of the degree of endless adjustments people make in an attempt to stand still -- is considered a sensitive gauge of motor control that likely is affected by these abnormalities.

In the study, participants who had bipolar disorder displayed more postural sway, particularly when their eyes were closed, than study participants who had no psychological disorders. The troubles, which involved the study participants' proprioception, or ability to process non-visual sensory information related to balance, were not affected by their mood or the severity of their disorder.

"It appears that people with bipolar disorder process sensory information differently and this is seen in their inability to adapt their movement patterns to different conditions, such as eyes open vs. eyes closed or feet together vs. feet apart," said Hong, whose research focuses on how humans control motion. "The different conditions will cause people to use the information their senses provide differently, in order to allow them to maintain their balance."
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I once read something that said studies of twins and first degree relatives suggest that bipolar can be inherited, but for some people, onset occurs after a stressful event.  It would be interesting to know if the "stressful event" people were already predisposed or if the stress was hard enough on the body to alter neurotransmitter function.  I think more attention should be paid to the effects of stress on health.  I know first hand that stress can wreak havoc on the body.  Studying inheritance is also very important.  My grandmother had a psychological disorder.  I don't know if she was ever actually diagnosed with something specific or not, and she died before I was born, but I definitely think it's important to be aware of things like that in family history.  My brother tends toward addiction, which apparently is not a surprise given family history, but no one had ever talked about it so I didn't even know addiction was present in my family's past until my brother started having problems.  It's better to speak out than to try to hide or ignore stuff - sometimes what you don't know can hurt you.


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I just want to put a beware out here about anyone quitting meds. Please be very careful and do so under a doctor's supervision if that is the path you choose to take. Coming off of some of these things too quickly can have serious consequences. Also please have a plan.

Just putting that out there.

I have also heard that this is one of those sliding scale type issues and has to do with functionality. Turns out a lot of entrepreneurs and creative arts people such as actors have at least mild forms of this. I do wonder about nutritional interventions. I also do think there is potential for overdiagnosis. My husband had a tenant once tell him he was late with his rent because he had to pay for his 3 year old's bipolar medication. He was serious. I question a medication approach especially with a brain still developing.

The doctor I saw discussing magnesium was discussing deficiency in both anxiety and depression.

I also wonder if EMF has anything to do with these things.  

Complex issue.

I have been personally affected by this in my family and with a friend. Sadly both ended in suicide.

Please do what you need to to be loving to yourself. Don't self medicate with drugs, pills, or booze. Keep seeking help and increasing your total wellness until you get where you need to be.

Blessings.  


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I once read something that said studies of twins and first degree relatives suggest that bipolar can be inherited, but for some people, onset occurs after a stressful event.  It would be interesting to know if the "stressful event" people were already predisposed or if the stress was hard enough on the body to alter neurotransmitter function.  I think more attention should be paid to the effects of stress on health.  I know first hand that stress can wreak havoc on the body.

I believe that the genetic predisposition is an important factor.  Perhaps there are some people who are going to develop bipolar disorder no matter what happens, and others will only develop it in response to stressful events.

There's another article I recently read about a study showing that, in children of parents with bipolar disorder, cortisol levels rise higher in response to stress than in other children:

"Our study demonstrates that affected children are biologically more sensitive to the experience of stress in their natural and normal environment compared to unaffected peers," says Ellenbogen. "This higher reactivity to stress might be one explanation of why these offspring end up developing disorders and is a clear risk factor to becoming ill later on."



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I just want to put a beware out here about anyone quitting meds. Please be very careful and do so under a doctor's supervision if that is the path you choose to take. Coming off of some of these things too quickly can have serious consequences. Also please have a plan.

I'd like to second that.  I've never been suicidal or truly manic (only hypomanic), so quitting meds isn't disastrous for me... but it is for others who have a worse case of it than I do.  I've tried quitting several times, either one or both of my meds, and each time it has only set me back.  Sure, I could survive without my meds, but the quality of my life would be much worse.

It is interesting to note: whenever I make a significant gain in my health (for example, when I gave up cereal grains), I immediately start thinking it would be a good idea to try getting off meds again.  I've finally recognized this pattern.  In the future, any plans to try weaning off medication will only go into effect after I've had a couple of weeks to sit on it and make sure the idea still seems like a good idea after "cooling off".  I suspect than anyone with bipolar disorder is susceptible to this this of thinking.
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Have you even read the article?  Just in case you haven't, it has NOTHING to do with drugs of ANY KIND.
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I'm just too stubborn to go on anything, afraid of weight gain or unpleasant side effects.  Plus I'm doing better with a boring lifestyle, will live this way in Albuquerque the rest of my life & happy.  Plus I'm doing bioidentical hormones, I don't have the patience to add much of anything else other than vitamins at the moment.
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My bf's mother had bipolar, she just passed away in March of this year.  She had it bad, but she was on lithium and it did seem to help as long as she stayed on it (that was an ongoing battle).  She had many break downs and was put in the psych ward many times, it was not an easy life for her or for her family in fact it was the main reason for his parents divorce.  My bf has many childhood scars from what he went through with his mother.  I don't think anybody really understands what others go through unless they go through it themselves.  My friend started getting depressed soon after high school, although i was empathetic i never really understood until i got depression.  People used to think that taking me to a funny movie would makes things all better, i only wish it was that easy!.  Unfortunately i've had depression for over 10 years now, although i know it's not close to being as bad as bi-polar i can't imagine people saying it's my imagination.  I'm very against medication, but i have to take it to function and believe me i have tried going off of it.  I went off of it once because i couldn't get me med's due to financial reasons, it was a real bad idea thinking i could do it myself.  I got what i call brain zaps and got to the point that i would cry all day, i was like a zombie.  With the help of a friend i tried the natural stuff, but i didn't work.  I still struggle with the fact that i have to take medication for it, but i know how i'll get if i don't take it and i don't want to go back there again!.


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Does anyone know if it is related to the hypothalmus?


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Mickey I was touched by your story cuz I know how t was for my DH with his mom and brother and I appreciated your own testimony too. thanks for sharing...youve learned thru experience...
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Lola, I find it indefensible that you keep trying to defend your earlier position.  I have known and know people with bipolar disorder.  I have seen the havock it wreaks on people's families and personal lives.  

Most people get diagnosed in their early to late teens.  Having two kids, ages 23 and 20, I have seen a few of their friends change before my eyes.  This is not something made up by the big pharma companies.

I think you owe TJ and the other members of the forum an apology.  As an administrator, if this is what you truly believe, you should keep your opinions to yourself.  I am not bipolar but I am deeply offended.



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TJ and Mickey,
Thank you both for being brave to share with us what you are going through.  I have a cousin with schizophrenia who has had a tough life and has needed med's that continually have to be adjusted.  I take my hat off to both of you for taking care of yourselves and being so open about a subject most people shy away from.
I have another relative who I think may have hypomania or something like that. She was in a situation where she was taken against her will to a hospital and given a sedative because she had apparently become out of control in a public office.  She does not believe there is anything wrong with her, she does have lots of health issues which I suspect contribute.  It would be so nice if she would listen to someone like yourselves.  Again thanks for boldly going where many won't go!
And I wish you both lots of good healing.
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