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torizmomma
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Hi!
PLEASE HELP!

I am hoping this is the area I can ask what I am looking for.

I have twin girls, they will be 8 in June. One is special needs, has a laundry list of issues and is 100% gtube fed. I control her intake. Because of her I have learned a lot about foods, so I thought.  

My other daughter... she is a type O. She is very, very typical, smart, soo sweet and has always been a picky eater. It is not until the last year I have noticed significant weight gain with my typical daughter. I was worried that she had a thyroid issue or diabetic. Took her to and Endocrologist and yes she is not only hypothyroid, but also has hypercholesterolemia, no diabetes. I've tried to feed her healthier... but now that I've read this book, everything seems to make perfect sense. She is not "allergic" to gluten... but is sensitive to it.

She is extremely active, and hardly eats as it is... but she is a carb queen. She loves bread, crackers, .  I am sure she sneaks foods when she can from her friends and neighbor kids. She has become ok with rice cakes as a snack and gluten free cookies crackers ect... and I am being careful to make sure there is no corn.

So my question is….. how can I incorporate the Type O diet along with a avoiding foods that cause a hike in cholesterol….example eggs?

And with gluten free products like Annie’s Mac and Cheese, she should not have the Cheddar…. What is an alternative?

I am just trying to move her slowly over to eating better, using this diet and I am learning as I go to. We are all Type O… so that is a huge plus. I just don’t want her to be traumatized later in life either . Trying to be positive as possible.

Where do I go from here???


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So my question is….. how can I incorporate the Type O diet along with a avoiding foods that cause a hike in cholesterol….example eggs?
Food cholesterol doesn't become blood cholesterol!  That is a myth.  Don't be afraid of eggs!  They are a great source of protein, which Os need lots of.

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And with gluten free products like Annie’s Mac and Cheese, she should not have the Cheddar…. What is an alternative?

The best practice is just to break away from old eating habits.  Trying to substitute compliant foods is bound to be frustrating and ineffective.  Instead of thinking, "How can I get compliant mac and cheese?", think "What beneficial/neutral foods can I get to replace mac and cheese?"  Things such as rice and mozarella cheese, for example (I think these are ok for Os).
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Eggs don't cause cholesterol issues... On type O diet they are great - unless she is allergic to them (then she may be an Explorer)
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As a type A, I don't know much about the O diet, but for any BT, I would just try easing her into it by beginning to incorporate more beneficial type O foods while phasing out avoids.  Make sure your daughter understands that this is best for her health.  Getting the whole family involved would make it easier for her I'm sure - she won't feel singled out.  You may want to consider SWAMI for her; it is a very individual approach.  I'm sure lots of people will start posting with plenty of good ideas and advice   Congrats on approaching health through diet


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I agree that the eggs are not going to cause a blood cholesterol problem.  The carb rich foods will get that honor...  Dr. D. has a term for this - it is called starchitarian...  

If you search for posts by ruthiegirl, you will see many hints for feeding Type O girls, although hers are a little older than yours...


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She is not "allergic" to gluten... but is sensitive to it.

she s simply an O
feed both from their beneficial list
make baby type meals.....grind all her beneficials into savory meals, for the tube fed one

variety is key, add good fats and protein and veggies and all

also make fruit purees, delicious, for sweets and healthy treats

bone broth to strengthen her system

can you give us the ingredients in the tube feed you give your other child?
and the BT would also be an O right?


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gluten free products are full of avoids, depending on BT/GT
best to make your own types of breads
focaccia
http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/breads/r/flaxbasicfoc.htm
video
http://video.about.com/lowcarbdiets/Focaccia-Style-Flax-Bread.htm


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Here is my other childs blended diet:
Chicken Breasts
Eggs
Chicken Thighs

Peas
Sweet Potatoes
Spinach
Carrots
Green Beans
Black Eye Peas
Celery
Kale

Blueberries
Pineapple
Strawberries
Prunes
Almond Milk
Yogurt
Whole Milk
Flaxseeds
Almond Butter
Olive Oil
Avocado
Quinoa


Papaya Juice
Mango Juice
Blueberry
Prune Juice
Pom/Cranberry

Chicken Broth

Nestles Compleat
Water

Duo Cal

Each food is between 8 to 10 oz. Each liquid is 8oz to 10 oz as well. Added about 24 oz of water. This is all blended together via Vita Mix and lasts about 4 to 5 days. She takes 4 to 5 10 oz bottles each day. I know avacados are a no no and whole milk too... but she is thin as it is.... this is helping her slowly add weight on slowly. Genetically thin and because she has Cp, she is thin. She is an extremely active child as well.
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Lola, Thank you for the receipe for the bread. I have noticed that the glueten free are full of avoids.. ie corn meal ect.... when I am at the health food store... I am spending more time reading lables than I am shopping. Its a work in progress.  
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Thank you guys for all your help and advice. I now have a better starting place. )
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Are O types not suppose to have any soy??? I have been working hard to change from 1% milk to Almond Milk. I have to say I love it... just getting my daughter and hubby to change is going to be the challange.
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I could have sworn I read somewhere that now they discovered that eggs actually help cholesterol!

I have an O+ 9 year old, eats completely gluten free (no corn, soy, wheat, nothing but rice flour and a little bit of tapioca flour in her bread). She drinks protein shakes int he morning (rice protein, either chocolate or vanilla, with almond milk, a squirt of agave, and a packet of stevia), for snack she has a fruit roll (fruita bu), a "marshmallow" rice puff bar (not really marshmallows), or a banana, or a rice cake (apple-cinnamon flavor the organic ones can't remember the name now Lindberg maybe?). For lunch she has 3 big slices of uncured turkey breast on Udi's bread (it has tapioca flour) with a tiny bit of mayo, a fruit, sometimes a gluten free cookie (I make some compliant ones made with almond flour that she loves or I make carob brownies, or something like that so she doesn't feel left out from her classmates, who all bring cr*p anyways). She only drinks water. She is a hunter like me so maybe some of the stuff I give her is more tailored to her genotype than just her bloodtype. She also eats puffed rice cereal, Udi's pizza crust with a tiny bit of mozzarella and romano or parmesan cheese. She loves brown rice pasta and white rice (brown rice, not so much). As far asveggies, she eats carrots, and LOVES sweet potatoes. She despises green beans, broccoli, and pretty much every other veggie, but I force her to eat a few servings a week (other than that it's pretty much sweet potatoes with ghee every other day!). Also they love (my youngest is an O- I forgot to add, hubby is O +) the Alexia sweet potatoe fries, which I know have an avoid, can't remember which one, but hey feeding children on the btd is a lot harder than some people realize! My girls eat I would say 90% compliant (minus things like a squirt of ketchup, etc, mostly compliant but not 100%).

I hope this helps a little bit? I can't think of anything else right now...hmmmm everything I bake, I bake with ghee and agave (and stevia, I do half and half).


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eggs naturally have lecithin in them, which in turn naturally lowers and helps regulate the naturally occurring fat in the yolk


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Hi there Torizmomma
My daughter is 14 and has juvenile idiopathic arthritis. She is doing the blood type arthritis diet and as you can imagine not easy as all her teenage friends are eating lots of junk around her. Some of the things that are working are,
- I have shown her the list of foods she can have and she gets to choose her favourites when we go shopping.
- For younger kids a chart on the fridge with stickers and some sort of reward works well. Kate used to see how many beneficial foods she could have in one day and it became a game for her.
- All kids love treats so we changed the "treats" ie she used to love to get chips or icecream if we went out , now she can get a treat that is not related to food or save towards something she wants.
- I made a list of all her highly beneficial veggies and fruits and make sure I always have in the fridge. A soup, a fruit salad, crudites to munch on, and some treat items. She loves a slice of toasted kamut bread with ghee and organic blueberry jam. Beetroot and sweet potato thinly sliced and baked with a bit of olive oil and sea salt is a yummy snack for school too.
-Every Sunday I bake lamb or some other highly beneficial meat to have for school lunches during the week. In a container she takes cut up bits of highly beneficial meat with veggie pieces that she has chosen as her favourites ie romaine lettuce, sugar snap beans, peas, carrots, sweet potato. In another container cut up fruit. Walnuts and other nuts and seeds from her list with carob buttons she enjoys too.
-I just made her amaranth cookies sweetened with agave syrup and I snuck in some shredded veggies in the mix with some carob buttons. She loved them.
- patties are a great way to sneak goodness into them I mix any left over veggies with egg and a bit of amaranth flour to help the patties bind. Flavour with sea salt and herbs and spices from the beneficial list.
The diet is a good send because she is completly symptom free and is not on any drugs, only blood type supplements and chinese herbs.
Hope this helps.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/02/08/earlyshow/health/main7329038.shtml

Eggs are good food, here is the latest from the mainstream media.

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You don't want to have them with bacon and white bread with butter. Have it with whole grains, produce and natural nut butters. When you combine one whole egg as a lean protein with those other healthy foods, it really helps to balance out that cholesterol, because cholesterol is only found with animal foods. So when you pair it with plant-based foods, your total cholesterol in that meal is quite low."


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Thank you all for all this wonderful info. I do have another question. My daughters stomach is very bloated. Will getting her off not only glueten free products and being the BD help her reduce her tummy? Besides her tummy, she is a solid girl. Very strong and very active.
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My hubby also had high cholesterol to the point he was marked up to higher levels on life insurance and couldn't get disability. Grass fed and finished red meat helped tremendously as did getting in bene veggies. Dropping the gluten has probably dropped it further (it took Dr. Nash to tell him personally), though we haven't verified it yet. She also told him that O's run a little greasy, which we had a good chuckle over.

He eats eggs regularly with no worries.

You might focus on getting in the good quality omegas. The typical American gets their ratios messed up. Read up on fish oils, grass fed and finished freerange meats, healthy oils, etc.

Gluten is in wheat and several other grains. I didn't know Annie's made a gluten free. You would be much better making something from scratch with rice noodles. My hubby likes a little ghee and the plain noodle with a little sea salt, but perhaps a little crumbled mozzerella. Processed foods generally are going to contain avoids many of which aren't good for anyone. Buy organic whole foods when you can, but pay special attention to the quality meat for her. Opt for quality and frequency over quantity if you need to.

O's are notorious for getting addicted to carbs. Quality protein is very helpful. Quinoa would be a good protein based grain to look at as it can be prepared like a cereal or like a pasta or as a salad or smoothie ingredient.

Congrats to you for taking this journey as a mom. Lucky kids!  

Thumbs up on the almond milk.


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Gluten was very bloating for me. In the end, I was falling down in pain from it. I also had some bacterial overgrowth. This is fairly common (the overgrowth part) as most people have done a number on their digestive system with processed foods, antibiotics and other meds. The gluten issue was most likely made worse by the overgrowth.

You will probably want to check out the Polyflora O probiotic on this site.


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My husband and son put anything we used to put on pasta on basmati rice. I don't do the starch as someone else mentioned, it is the over consumption of starch that causes cholesterol issues in O's, as it did me. Gave up the starch and the high cholesterol with it. My daughter has alot of the same issues with thyroid and cholesterol and if I only knew now what I didn't know then. I know it's not easy but the transition is the hardest part. Chat with the kids, explain what and why you're doing it, let them look at the food lists and even if they eat the same comliant things for awhile, it's better than avoids. You can make a game of it. For me, the bloaty went away with the starch as well. SOME starch is probably good for kids but you have to find balance. Teaching her how to eat today will set her up how to eat as an adult/ Wish I knew about BT before so my daughter wouldn't be going through what she's going through now.


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Wow, sounds like you are doing a fabulous job feeding the girls!  Really good mom!  I just wanted to add that her cholesterol could be high as a result of her hypothyroidism, it's one of the signs of hypothyroidism.  When her thyroid is better, or hormones are adjusted, it should come down.
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I wouldn't worry too much about the child on the blended diet right now. Her food list looks pretty good, although there's certainly room for improvement (less dairy, add in red meat and fish.) You might want to get a secretor test for her- if she's a non-secretor, then the avocadoes are perfectly fine.

The bigger challenge is feeding the child who's eating table foods, since you're dealing with her likes and dislikes and trying to get her develop healthier eating habits.

Make changes slowly. If you're going to give her boxed mac n cheese, then go ahead and give her the boxed rice pasta with junky cheese sauce- but make it a "once in a while" treat rather than a staple. You could make it healthier by trying to get her to eat pasta with plain  butter, but really you're better off getting her to eat something altogether different. Oftentimes, it's easier to just eat something different than to have a substitute. Black beans and rice tastes like black beans and rice, not "fake mac n cheese."

Try offering cooked beans, rather than just grains, when she wants something starchy. Get her into the habit of eating fruits and vegetables regularly. One of my most recent changes with my 9yo son (type B) is to encourage him to eat at least one fruit or  vegetable with every meal. For example, the other night he had pizza  toast (mozarella cheese melted on spelt bread) for bedtime snack. I gave him one platefull, and when he asked for more, I told him he'd had enough grains and dairy and needed veggies now. He had some sliced cucumber and then some applesauce (for an O child, I would have included tomato sauce on the pizza and offered a veggie other than cucumbers, such as bell pepper  strips, carrot sticks, or romaine lettuce. He likes eating medium pieces of lettuce as finger food.)

Good after-school snacks for an O would be fresh fruit or applesauce, raw cut up veggies, and maybe some hard boiled eggs and/or slices of mozzarella cheese and/or cold pieces of meat. Kids seem to like finger foods, especially for snacktime. You can also bake compliant cookies with oatmeal and/or rice flour. I use spelt flour in mine, but that's probably not a good choice if she's having trouble with gluten. I make them healthier by adding flax and/or ground nuts, using honey and/or pureed raisins for the sweetener (no refined sugar) and plenty of eggs for protein.


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The past few days, she has had a rice cake..they are the whole wheat rice cakes, with almond butter, scrambled egg, 2 slices of turkey bacon, will eventually try the turkey sausage, a banana and almond milk. She ate most of it. I am trying to alternate from bananas to strawberries each morning. She seems to like it and seems filling. Hope that is a good start.
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I hope you meant whole grain rice cakes, not puffed wheat cakes!

It's definitely a challenge to change a child's diet, but at age 8, you still have the power to do it. You can still say "no, you can't have that" and pretty much expect your child to comply. It's completely different with teenagers- my daughters needed to be educated and encouraged to follow BTD, I couldn't just "make them" do so.


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Also I am confused... can she have Soy Milk or Wheat Glueten which is in Smart Dogs, Veggie Hot Dogs or would Turkey Dogs by Jennie O be better. She is glueten senstive, but not totally allergic.The Smart Dogs are a lot less fattening 45 cal vs the Turkey dogs have 70 cal and 45 cals from fat. Sooo confusing on the best to give her.
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