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Well I've had back pain on and off for thirteen years but it's bec ome chronic since January...I get pain in my groin after sitting too long, pain in my lower pain too...walking elevates the pain but I cannot sit or stand for too long..I've noticed I tend to arch my back when lying down and looking on my iPad ..I'm pretty sure that's causing it too..now my question is , as a B I would be susceptible to chronic fatigue or fibromyalgia and am wondering is this is what i have? My energy levels are good when I'm not in any pain and so is my mood, my sleep is ok too ..it's just the pain that's making me down ...any opinions?
I've tried acupuncture and its helped a lot initially after my injury..then I started going to the pool and just moving around and that's good too..I guess my problem is muscular even though I have bulging discs at L4/5 and S1 but my dr seems to think that is not the cause of my back pain as there is no narrowing or pressure on nerves. I take magnesium and B6 and I guess that helps ...any opinions please? Thanks


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What have you changed diet wise since January?? I had an allergist suggest very strong magnesium supplements once that caused me those symptoms. I still have to watch how much is in a supplement.
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I haven't changed anything but I guess I gained some weight and didn't exercise as much and spent a lot of time sitting  


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Check also your column alignment, your posture,  it helps really !


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Yes I know, I have terrible posture from sitting at a computer etc


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Hi
Well I've had back pain on and off for thirteen years but it's bec ome chronic since January...I get pain in my groin after sitting too long, pain in my lower pain too...walking elevates the pain but I cannot sit or stand for too long..I've noticed I tend to arch my back when lying down and looking on my iPad ..I'm pretty sure that's causing it too..now my question is , as a B I would be susceptible to chronic fatigue or fibromyalgia and am wondering is this is what i have? My energy levels are good when I'm not in any pain and so is my mood, my sleep is ok too ..it's just the pain that's making me down ...any opinions?
I've tried acupuncture and its helped a lot initially after my injury..then I started going to the pool and just moving around and that's good too..I guess my problem is muscular even though I have bulging discs at L4/5 and S1 but my dr seems to think that is not the cause of my back pain as there is no narrowing or pressure on nerves. I take magnesium and B6 and I guess that helps ...any opinions please? Thanks


You mentioned that you put on a little weight.  If it is around the middle, it can be just the extra thing that is making your back more painful.

I too have herniated discs, cervical, thoracic and bulging discs along the lumbar area with some stenosis.  I have pain much like you do.  What helps me is working on the strength of my stomach muscles with what ever exercises you can do to help that.  The stronger your stomach muscles, the better the support will be all around your back.  Do what you can, maybe using one of those balance balls.

Acupuncture did give me some relief, but the cost made me stop.  I had to go every week or more frequently to get relief.  It might help you if you can afford to go a few times a week in the beginning and then settle into a routine of once every two weeks or even less often.

When you are in bed at night with your Ipad, try put a pillow under your knees to help flatten out your back. I usually bend my knees and keep my feet on the bed like sitting in a chair.  That flattens the back too.  What also helps me is a hot bath in epsom salts and baking soda at night before going to bed.  
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You mentioned you had an injury, what type did you experience?  If you have chronic groin or hip pain, you may want to have your hip evaluated for an injury.  I have similar chronic pain in that area but it also is aggravated by different exercises. I have recently been diagnosed with a torn labrum which is kind of like a cartilage gasket around the hip.  One of the symptoms is pain in the groin or hip flexors after sitting for long periods.
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An EXCELLENT chiropractor has made a huge difference in my life.


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Exercise... yoga... weight training etc... Strengthen the muscles around the injuries and you will feel much better.


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also google EGOSCUE. his methods have made a huge difference structurally for many. i love his "pain free workout" dvd.


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could you be constipated? if so try eating less fibre.


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could you be constipated? if so try eating less fibre.


I wish it was that easy lol no, I'm not

Thanks for the feedback, yes acupuncture has helped, the dr said at the start that I needed twice weekly sessions and then the pain may appear somewhere else so he will chase it as it appears, this is exactly what's happening...the last two treatments were on one side at a ti e at specific areas...the quardum lumbar and the glute on the other side! The general back pain is improving from the acupuncture ..also, it's free and bulk billed so I'm not paying a cent which is great  


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I wish it was that easy lol no, I'm not

Thanks for the feedback, yes acupuncture has helped, the dr said at the start that I needed twice weekly sessions and then the pain may appear somewhere else so he will chase it as it appears, this is exactly what's happening...the last two treatments were on one side at a ti e at specific areas...the quardum lumbar and the glute on the other side! The general back pain is improving from the acupuncture ..also, it's free and bulk billed so I'm not paying a cent which is great  


Careful sometimes they like you to come in cause they get paid. no matter how wonderful they are. You will need to take control of this and get yourself to some exercise.
Did you read Dr. Nenninger's blog? talks about how our insurance sometimes keeps us sick.



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I also agree with AKArtlover who posted about EGOSCUE.  I don't have the DVD but I did get his paperback book.  

The exercises are relatively simple (almost too easy I thought to make a difference) but even though I don't do a whole routine it has made a huge difference in my posture.  

I'm much more aware of my right shoulder that used to droop.  You would be very surprised , I feel, at the sketches of the three conditions that most people fall into.

It really is worth looking into especially if you are sitting alot.


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And I also agree with AKArtlover re: Egoscue, a great resource for whole body.

I'm having similar issues but no back pain....yet.  Plus I am just recovering from plantar fasciitis   All this is due to an ankle injury, bike fall and a job where I sit in front of a computer.  Oh, and my age   I didn't try accupuncture, although it was on the list, but used bowen therapy.  Right now I'm feeling pretty good.  What really helped my hip and quad area muscle pain was stretching.  

After searching on the internet, I discovered this:  our bodies are meant to be upright or squatting not sitting for hours.  Duh!  Our hips are rebelling. Of course, just like BTD, we're not meant to consume grains and packaged food    Do a google search on mobilitywod.  I learned great stretches for my hip area and I'm feeling so much better.  My favorite is to sit in a squat for 10 minutes, tough to do but I worked up to it.  I read or watch TV that way.... yes my kids think I'm a weird    There's another one, lay on your back with bottom against the wall and your legs in a V up the wall.  Then bring your feet down the wall, toes out and knees out.  Now you're in a sideways squat against the wall.  Do that for a couple of minutes.  This is easy on the back too.

I also used a somatic therapy when my hips were obviously uneven.

Hopefully this helps you out.


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Check out thid thread on using magnesium oil.

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-pres/m-1296361320/s-0/

My muscles always used to be tight and achy. I had symptoms of severe fibromyalgia for years until I started spraying my body with lots of magnesium oil.  Also I suggest you read this book.

http://www.amazon.com/Magnesiu.....303321852&sr=8-1


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I got the Egoscue Method of Health Through Motion paperback.  It really does address the skeleton and how it should work.  

I suppose if you have a pain issue the other one would be good but I'm not familiar with that one.

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I have the book Joy mentioned "The Egoscue Method of Health Through Motion"...

But I also have a DVD called Egoscue Pain Free Workout Series....it's got two DVDs....beginner
and advanced.   Got it from his website     http://shop.egoscue.com/DVDs_c2.htm

http://www.egoscue.com


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I had this type of pain.  It was coming from my lower back and/or hip.  I also had some sciatica at times.  It all went away when I got bioidentical hormone therapy.  If it were me I would also look into MSM, Dr. D's recommendation for an anti-inflammatory for B's.  If it were me I would start with thinking it were an inflamed nerve.  
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Oh, and I would definately try magnesium oil.  
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Try incorporating new lifestyle elements slowly into your regimen. Soon they will become habits.

Still, the damaged soft tissue will not really heal if you do not eat the liver that Dr. D'Adamo recommends Nomads consume frequently. Liver can be delicious if you know how to prepare it well.
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Thanks for the recommendation.  The diet does great at minimizing pain, exercise does the rest.  That might help me understand the best kinds of exercise.  My right leg is about 5/8" shorter than my left, and that makes for some interesting imbalances all up and down my body.  A heel lift in my shoe helps a great deal, but I can't wear shoes all the time, and a lift just isn't the same as having symmetry.
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a lift just isn't the same as having symmetry.


having symmetry is done during gestation


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I had major back pain a few years ago (was off work for 9 month). What got me back to normal was the rehabilitation program at the Wesley Hospital in Brisbane. You could check it out since you seem to live in Brisbane. Send me a PM if you would like some more information.
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having symmetry is done during gestation

I know.  My right side wanted to be a bit shorter and stockier, and my left side wanted a squarer gonial angle and a smaller D2 to D4 ratio.
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did you know both sides didn t know what they were up to until the very end?
they grow separately.....gestation is the greatest miracle!


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I also enjoyed Egoscue's Book, very simply yet very effective.


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Also look into the Gokhale method. There's a great book. "8 Steps to a pain free back". Freed me from useless (mostly) PT.

Also, magnesium oil and Epsom salt baths.

Are you sensitive to wheat or potatoes? Huge triggers for me.

Good luck!


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I feel this is a western medicine explaination of eastern practices, but it's a good access point for us westerners.

http://youtu.be/FAqJjCtrZPI

http://www.amazon.com/Healing-Back-Pain-Mind-Body-Connection/dp/0446392308/ref=tmm_pap_title_0


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Also look into the Gokhale method. There's a great book. "8 Steps to a pain free back". Freed me from useless (mostly) PT.

Also, magnesium oil and Epsom salt baths.

Are you sensitive to wheat or potatoes? Huge triggers for me.

Good luck!


Thanks so much for mentioning the Gokhale method.  Just watched her being interviewed on a youtube video and I realized much of my aches and pains is posture related, not necessarily a lack of exercise.  Just ordered her book from amazon....and there's a newer version of her original book which I'm glad I noticed because it includes knees, feet.  First I've heard of Esther Gokhale,
and thanks to you, this is exactly what I need.  I agree with using mag oil, epsom salt
baths but sometimes we just have to be aware of how we create our own dysfunction, by the way
we sit, walk, and stand.



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Thanks so much for mentioning the Gokhale method.  Just watched her being interviewed on a youtube video and I realized much of my aches and pains is posture related, not necessarily a lack of exercise.  Just ordered her book from amazon....and there's a newer version of her original book which I'm glad I noticed because it includes knees, feet.  First I've heard of Esther Gokhale,
and thanks to you, this is exactly what I need.  I agree with using mag oil, epsom salt
baths but sometimes we just have to be aware of how we create our own dysfunction, by the way
we sit, walk, and stand.



Yeah, I like her method a lot. There was another method also highly recommended (don't think it was Egoscue, but it was another one along those lines) that seemed to help as well. They all deal with posture issues as ultimately correctable through basic stuff. It's not super easy, but it's simple. I hated the fact that, with PT, I was having to do upwards of an hour of exercises every other night, and they were barely helping.

My triggers seemed to be more related to vitamin and nutrient deficiencies more than posture, but posture was definitely an issue. I feel a lot better, overall, but have a lot of work to do. I usual pinch a nerve in my shoulders or back pretty badly around the same time I get bad migraines or tinnitus. It's just my nervous system giving me a big "F you!". :\



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