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Hello everybody,

This is my FIRST post to this forum. I first read "Eat Right For Your Type" in 1997. It definitely echoed with a lot of my experience. In a nut shell, red meat gave me energy through the roof; whereas carbs (past, etc) made me tired and sluggish. I tried following it in college, but was frustrated for example by eating "rice crispies" for breakfast, only to be starving 1 hour later! My roomy used to tease me, "Did you eat your AIR for breakfast?" As a typical college student, I didn't have the money to eat clean, healthy choices all the time. I was lucky if I could eat a couple of sausages for lunch every day.
In May o 2009, I ceased taking a neuroleptic medince used to treat a tic disorder. I spent 2 months sleeping 12 hours each day, and was STILL tired! My wife and I then moved to Southern California. By August, I had seen a Naturpath who ran my bloodwork: it showed allergies to YEAST and MILK protein mainly. Her "all-or-nothing" protocol was insane: it couldn't improve, and sticking to the regime was impossible.
Over 1 year ago, I saw a Korean Acupuncturist who practices "8-body type" theory, which posits that my strongest organ is my Liver, whereas my weakest is my lungs (Hepatonian). The dietary "regime" was quite easy to follow: basically a "meat and potatoes". I made significant improvements every month: MAINLY BY EATING RED MEAT EACH DAY! After 1 year of this, I had my bloodwork, and everything was NORMAL. My Chinese in-laws were shocked--they stick to mainly seafood and veges. Then again, according to the theory, they have the OPPOSITE body-type as me: Pulmatonian. The types should avoid all meat, and stick to seafood and veges.
So after 6 months of this, I noticed my health begin to "plateau", and so I began digging around for some missing answers. I've tried a line of supplements called Isotonix, which are basically powder-to-liquid. If taken on an empty stomach, the absorption rate is superior than regular "horse-pills". I've had various results with these supplements, but still take them to "cover my basis".
OK! So now to TODAY! LAST NIGHT I SUFFERED FROM HORRIBLE ARTHRITIC PAIN IN MY UPPER BACK AND NECK! Now I've had this sort of pain, in the same location, on and off since college. I usually swam to remedy this, assuming it was due to all the physical trauma my body had been through. [I've had 3 back operations, BTW]. But last night was different! It was throbbing, throbbing, throbbing. Even throbbing some this morning. But after a BM (going #2) this morning, the severity of the pain has subsided. However I've suffered the same pain in NATURE, but last night was the worst in severity.
So last night I searched on this forum for "type 0 arthritis", and saw MANY posts saying the same thing! "Pain in upper back and neck" due to wheat, nightshade plants, etc. Can someone please CONFIRM that this is consistent?
I haven't yet checked my "secretor status". I'm not yet interested in ascertaining my "genotype". I first want to learn about which foods to eliminate from my diet. I plan on ordering more D'Adamo's books: I have the original "Eat Right For Your Type" in a box somewhere. I plan on getting the small book on "Arthritis". I'm pretty sure the "toxic" effects of certain foods have been affecting me for a LONG time! It's just that last night it was confirmed: eating 1 pizza (wheat, yeast and dairy oh my!) practically killed me (slight hyperbole).
I would appreciate any feedback, and I'm looking forward to many, many insightful dialogues on this forum.
OH! And if I posted this in the wrong sub-section, please let me know.
Also, I have a very complicated medical history. I'm not sure how much of this needs to be known by others, in order for them to render more adequate advice.
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I'm not sure what ARTHRITIC PAIN feels like, but I get pain around my right shoulder and back of neck which I learned from the Acunpuncturist is related to my gall bladder issues.  
Your pizza meal would have had the wheat which is an avoid, but if you've been eating wheat and this hasn't happened, then you have to look at the other ingredients in the pizza and it is fatty and would upset gall bladder.
If it is arthritis then the nightshade family which includes potatoes is an aggravator.   You might want to try keeping a food diary to see if you can connect what you physically do and eat that might trigger the symptoms.  
The other books Live Right for you Type and the Genotype are really good in helping understand the different types and helping determine what type you are.  And of course the most recent work is swami which is online and personalizes your diet to your health history and your families, in addition to blood type.
good luck.


Gluten/Casein and Yeast sensitivity.
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Welcome to the Forum!  

I think just the blood type diet for type O's would help you tremendously!  You don't need to go on to the Genotype diet at this time.  If you do ever feel like taking it to the next level, I suggest finding out what your secretor status is.  That can help you fine-tune the BTD for your own body and give you a more powerful blood type diet.  It will help you make the most of the Arthritis diet too.

Right at the moment, avoiding wheat and potatoes would be a great beginning.  Eat lots of fresh vegetables, both cooked and raw, a variety of colors and especially dark leafy greens.  See if you can find grass-fed meats.  They are anti-inflammatory because of the high Omega 3's.  Grain fed meats are high in Omega 6, which can be inflammatory.



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Welcome!

Yes, eating wheat can definitely cause the kinds of pain you mentioned- the fact that it improved after a bowel movement indicates that there was something toxic in your gut contributing to the problem.

Tomatoes are an avoid for Os in the Arthritis book, but not in the regular type O meal plan. Mozzarella cheese is one of 4 cheeses that are OK for O secretors to eat (the others being farmers cheese, feta, and soft goata cheese.) So my guess is that it was the wheat that was mostly responsible for your pain, with the tomatoes contributing. The form of cheese in the pizza is actually acceptable. I routinely make pizza for my kids, using spelt or rice  flour for the dough (and skipping the sauce for my type B son.)

Potatoes and corn are the other two "biggies" in the O diet. If you were eating lots of meat and potatoes, there's no surprise that you only found incomplete healing. My fibromyalgia symptoms are much reduced on BTD (I'm doing even better on SWAMI, but I did a lot of healing with the regular BTD first, and that's plenty to start with. You can always tweak things later if you feel the need to.) I'd recomend that you cut out wheat, corn, and potatoes while waiting for your book to arrive, and then ease into the diet at whatever rate is comfortable for you.

You may prefer to use up the foods in the house and replace them with healthier fare when it's time to go food shopping again, or you might want to jump in with both feet and give away any foods in your kitchen you can no longer eat. Whichever method works best for your personality is fine.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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welcome and also here load up with MSM & vit C... you're going to   bout the
effects but please use the orthomolecular amounts......


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I have a very complicated medical history.

we are what we eat!!!
read my signature line, written by Dr D a long time ago!

welcome!
I believe you are now on the right track, read the arthritis book, get the secretor test and begin asap......avaoids are avoids and you have experienced what those do to you


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Drop the potatos!  They are one of the foods I really miss.  I grew up in a meat and potatos family, so that was hard for me.  We had potatos with almost every meal.  I don't think I tried rice until I was about 20!  Substitute sweet potatos.  Potatos are definitely a no, no for arthritis.

Also, no more wheat, corn or dairy.

When you are ready for your next book, after finding and re-reading ER4YT and Dr. D's book on arthritis, I would go to Live Right For Your Type.  It is an expanded version of ER4YT.  You can decide later if you want to go the Genotype book and SWAMI route, but I think the first three books will give you a good grounding in the priciples of the diet.

Good luck.  I hope your pain eases.


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Thanks so much to ALL of you for all of your advice! I'm very encouraged that there is a "diet" (I really hate to call it that) that can FIT me! I'm off to the Health Food store to get some D'Adamo books.
I'm so glad I had my "moment of clarity" last night (excuse the AA reference); but seriously, it was a good WAKE UP CALL!
I actually have faith that I can actually get better. I've suffered so many "aches and pains" for so long, I just thought it was "getting older". Looking forward to feeling my best!
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. . it was a good WAKE UP CALL!
I actually have faith that I can actually get better. I've suffered so many "aches and pains" for so long, I just thought it was "getting older". Looking forward to feeling my best!


Thank goodness for wake up calls!!  And you got yours while you are still a young man!  



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Thanks so much to ALL of you for all of your advice! I'm very encouraged that there is a "diet" (I really hate to call it that) that can FIT me! I'm off to the Health Food store to get some D'Adamo books.
I'm so glad I had my "moment of clarity" last night (excuse the AA reference); but seriously, it was a good WAKE UP CALL!
I actually have faith that I can actually get better. I've suffered so many "aches and pains" for so long, I just thought it was "getting older". Looking forward to feeling my best!


Amazon has better deals on the books.  Welcome, when I first started I had shoulder & neck aches all the time.  Once my right arm was so painful it seemed locked & if I moved my arm away from my body I had excruciating pain.  My doctor told me I had a form of tendonitis called frozen shoulder.  It never came back knock on wood since BTD & GTD.
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Glad you found us, would really wonder if you are a non secretor.  

My friend Claire an A non secretor gets back pain when she eats wheat.


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I had knee surgery and tho O's can eat tomatoes occasionally, I get very bad arthritis in my knee when I eat tomatoes, even small amounts. Potatoes(haven't eaten in ages) bell peppers and eggplant (don't eat) are all in the nightshade family. I eat bell peppers EVERYDAY and they have zero effect on me but even tiny amounts of tomatoes have a big effect. Stopped all the other avoids, especially wheat dairy and corn and my daily aches and pains are gone. BT diet is anti inflammatory by nature and you will be able to tell in a very short time. IF i choose to cheat and eat corn chips at a mexican restaraunt, I always wake up with back pain. two days latter it's gone. Trust us, It works


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good info, good info, good info. I'm still confused on WHICH books to buy: I get easily overwhelmed. D'Adamo's little series of books ALL seem appropriate: especially the ones on FATIGUE, ARTHRITIS, AGING, etc.
I've was diagnosed with IBS a year ago. Stopping coffee helped a lot. This is certainly consistent with Type O: too much stomach acid to begin with! Green Tea--also consistent with Type, is a much better alternative.
I'm going to start another thread on mental health--open up another "can of worms". I got too, too many "maladies" to count!
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See if your local public library has any or all of these books. Take them out for free and read all of them- then, after reading them, you can decide which ones are worth owning.


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BTW, is HOT TUBBING a stupid idea? The night I got "murdered" with arthritic-like, toxic food induced, throbbing pain, was the same day i spent 1 hour in the pool and jacuzzi. I usually don't TUB for too long--typically only to "warm up" my body before swimming in the pool. But since I've had upper back "pain" for a long time, I assumed i was helping things out with the jets blowing on them. I alternated btwn tub and pool many times, thinking to "loosen" things up. I definitely felt "loosey-goosey" afterwards, but HEAT and inflamation might be one and the same.

OH, i'm trying to download the books via eREADER--saves me time and money. That way I can browse them on my Mac.
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try adding some Epsom salts or magnesium chloride to the water


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look out for the nightshades. no potatoes. (sp?)


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14
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I personally react very badly to the chemicals in pools and hot tubs. A hot bath is fine and very soothing, but soaking in a hot tub, all those chemicals absorbing through my skin, would leave me in much worse shape than if I'd skiped the soak altogether. You may have had a similar reaction.


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For me tightness in the shoulder/neck region is a sign of a blocked digestive system with associated toxicity.

If I press on some shiatsu shoulder relfex, the gas is really foul.  

Delfect, if you have it, or sink some pink (bismuth preparation) and stop eating the wheat.  Try quinoa or amaranth for a change.  Meat and fish are your friends and wheat, corn, potatoes are your enemies.  Learn it, love it, live it.

If you have a complicated medical history, could I put 5 dollars on Explorer?  

I lost a lot of weight with a health regime that required porridge each moring.  By 11 am I was having protein cravings enough to start feeling cramping in my calves.  Co-workers thought it was my Mr Hyde hour!      

Eat the meat to calm the inner beast.


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Not sure what my Genotype is. I'm a bit afraid to find out, since the BTD is already difficult enough. It's not that I LOVE wheat or anything. It's that it's EVERYWHERE! My wife is Chinese, so thankfully I've acquired a taste for RICE (one of the few Neutrals). I also live in a heavily Asian area, so "rice bowls" with chicken or beef or not too difficult to obtain.
But ALAS, the stupid WHEAT is ubiquitous: dumplings, tortillas, etc.
Also, yesterday I avoided wheat but was so starved by night, I had to woof down some CORN: in the form of taquitos. Tonite I did it again: fish tacos. Rice and Black beans (neutral). I didn't feel totally toxic, but mainly SLUGGISH.
Is that why CORN is bad? Wheat kills me, no doubt. I'm just thinking the less of 2 evils. Wheat lectins kill my blood and my intestines, but does corn just make me sluggish?
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raises insulin levels in Os and find more by doing a search......top right window on this page.......read about other corn lectin goodies

check out recipe center, and find tortilla recipes using compliant grains....

I use nori as tortilla, in my tortilla laden country, so if I can live without it, you can too!!!

some use lettuce, others use Vietnamese rice wraps......use your imagination


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It's not too hard to find compliant alternatives when preparing your own food. The biggest challenge is for people who don't prepare all of their own food. They either need to navigate "not so great choices" in prepared foods, or change their habits so they cook from scratch more often.

It definitely is reasonable to cut out wheat and corn in two separate steps, if you're finding it too hard to make all the changes at once. Focus on avoiding wheat for now, and then cut out corn in another week or two. Just bear in mind that continuing to eat corn is a temporary measure, not something you plan on doing indefinitely.


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