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Patty H
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I just had my blood drawn yesterday and my LDL is higher than it has ever been.     I have been on either the BTD/GTD for six months now and am about 95% compliant, buying organic fruit and veggies, grass fed meat, wild caught fish.

I had my LDL checked in Sept., before the BTD and it was 143.  Started the BTD in mid-October.  Had it checked again in late January and it was 143.  Just had it checked yesterday and it was 174.    My total cholesterol is also the highest its ever been.  It went from 225 to 258 yesterday.

I have also lost nine pounds, so I know I am doing SOMETHING right and following the diet.  I weight 111 pounds right now.  I am not sure if I could go much below 109, since I would probably have to STARVE myself to get below that weight.  

I am pretty upset right now and not sure if I should go on a statin.  I also need to assess if this diet is right for me and if so, should I go back to the BTD.  My blood results seemed better on the BTD for non-secretors than it does on the GTD.

There are so many supplements and things that have been recommended to me that I could probably start my own health food store . . . I stopped taking my supplements when I went on the bio-identical hormones because my doctor wanted to test its effectiveness.


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When did you start the hormones and stop the supplements? I wonder if that alone could be the reason for the cholesterol changes.

Are you exercising regularly?

Do you have SWAMI? Now might be a good time to invest in one.


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When you had lower LDL readings were you taking supplements that would directly affect these measurements (Such as Red Yeast Rice or Jiao Gu Lan)?


Have you changed the amount or type of exercise that you do?


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Just take lecithin granules. 1 Tablespoon a day to start. It's fine for O's.  It dropped my cholesterol 36 points.
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I started the hormones on March 7th and stopped the supplements then as well.

I have and follow my SWAMI pretty closely although I cannot eat the amount of food recommended in a day even though I asked for the smallest amount of food.  I eat at least 3-4 veggies a day, mostly leafy green veggies, brocolli and root veggies, grass fed beef, lamb and wild caught fish.  I eat organic eggs.

I bought a rebounder and exercise more, not less, than I used to, although I am definitely not exercising six days a week, but I never did that before either.

I have never taken red rice yeast or Jiao Gu Lan.  My cardiologist would rather I take a statin than red rice yeast because at least it is regulated.  Red rice yeast is basically an herbal statin.

I definitely need to do some thinking here.  I don't want to end up having a heart attack like my sister and brothers . . .  


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I hsve had this happen to me in the past. My theory (no scientific grounds) is that when I was eating all the fats I wanted my body did not need to produce cholesterol but when I cut down on fats cholesterol went through the roof. Since you said you didn't eat much perhaps you are not eating enough. Just my thought.

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What are your size of LDL particles. ????
That matters more than cholesterol and numbers imo

"Small LDL particles are created through a cascade that begins with carbohydrate consumption, measuring them provides an index of both carbohydrate exposure and sensitivity. "
Read more here
http://www.heartscanblog.org/2009/01/tale-of-two-ldls.html

and btw
high choleresterol = heart attach
is one of the biggest lies!!


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you didn't mention fruits or grains, does that mean you're not eating them? they , at least grains give me high cholesterol. all carbs do, that's why I'm low carb. If you're not eating them, this doesn't help. sorry. did you lose alot of weight recently? maybe your still have fat swimming around that throws choesterol off. that might just be triglycerides tho, not sure


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Quoted from Henriette Bsec
What are your size of LDL particles. ????
That matters more than cholesterol and numbers imo

"Small LDL particles are created through a cascade that begins with carbohydrate consumption, measuring them provides an index of both carbohydrate exposure and sensitivity. "
Read more here
http://www.heartscanblog.org/2009/01/tale-of-two-ldls.html

and btw
high choleresterol = heart attach
is one of the biggest lies!!


How does one get this test done?  I have never heard of it and would not know what to ask for or where to get it.

Also, my family has a VERY SERIOUS FAMILY HISTORY of heart disease, so like it or not, I have to focus on this as PART of not following in the footsteps of my paternal aunt, all my paternal uncles, my dad, all my paternal male cousins, one paternal female cousin, my two brothers and my sister. I am the fourth of four children, the youngest, and the only one in my immediate family not to have had bypass surgery.

My blood pressure is up too.  That is new since September 2010.  I expected my LDL's to come down somewhat after six months on the diet.  Instead they went up significantly.

Something is causing SERIOUS HEART DISEASE in my family.  Some family members are A's and some are O's.



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I hsve had this happen to me in the past. My theory (no scientific grounds) is that when I was eating all the fats I wanted my body did not need to produce cholesterol but when I cut down on fats cholesterol went through the roof. Since you said you didn't eat much perhaps you are not eating enough. Just my thought.

focused


Hi focused,

My SWAMI has drastically limited my fats, grains and dairy.  Take dairy for example.  I am limited to 1/2 tsp of ghee or butter per WEEK, or 1-3 oz cheese per week or 4 oz milk per week.  I never drink milk anymore, I may eat a little more Manchego cheese which is a superfood for me, but not much, and I have pretty much cut out ghee.  It's not worth it to make it if I can only have a 1/2 tsp per week.     I'll have butter once in a great while.

For fat, I am allowed 1tbsp six times per week.  I only use organic EVOO or walnut oil which are both black diamonds.  Sometimes I take flax seed oil, but then I can't use oil in my cooking.  Flax is a superfood but not a black diamond.

I am allowed a 1/4 cup of grains once a day.


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you didn't mention fruits or grains, does that mean you're not eating them? they , at least grains give me high cholesterol. all carbs do, that's why I'm low carb. If you're not eating them, this doesn't help. sorry. did you lose alot of weight recently? maybe your still have fat swimming around that throws choesterol off. that might just be triglycerides tho, not sure


Hi Mother,
My grains are so limited now and I can only have a 1/4 cup a day because I am a non-secretor.  I do eat rice and quinoa, but not every day.  I only have one grain that is a black diamond, which is artichoke flour pasta, but I have never been able to find this.  It always has wheat or corn added, so I stick with white or brown rice or quinoa, both of which are superfoods.  I am definitely low carb.

I do eat fruit.  I did mention it in my first posting.  I try and stick with black diamonds and superfoods like pineapple, blueberries or mango.  I am supposed to have three servings a day (1/2 cup or one medium/small piece of fruit) but I rarely get in three servings.  I try to at least have one or two.

I am a little person, so eating six servings of veggies and three servings of fruit in one day is a LOT of food for me.  Usually I can manage 3-4 veggies and 1-2 fruits.

Honestly, Mother, it is a mystery to me.  I have lost nine pounds since October and could probably only lose 2 more pounds, so being overweight is definitely not an issue.  In fact, my daughter, who was home for spring break and hadn't seen me since January thinks I am too thin.  My mother thinks so, too.  They both lectured me when they were here together.  

My doctor really wants me to see a local holistic healer who is very well known and respected.  She is a chiropracter but also has many other areas of interest and specializes in what is called Functional Medicine.  My doctor thinks she is perfect for me  


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Just take lecithin granules. 1 Tablespoon a day to start. It's fine for O's.  It dropped my cholesterol 36 points.


I have lecithin oil.  Is that the same?


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Patty, you mentioned Black Diamond foods.  Is that what they're called in the SWAMI?  I only know of Diamonds and Black Dots.

Liquid Lecithin is the same as Lecithin, which is in granular form.



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When my choelsterol was high, this new Dr I saw just sent me a letter saying they were high and wanted to put me on statins. Never asked what I ate or if I exercised or anything. I didn't care for him so I researched it. The only other thing besides going low carb that I did was exersice. It wasn't overly strenuous at that time either, I walked on my treadmill. they went from 248 to 176 in 8 weeks. Do you do any exercise? Have you googled bio identical hormones to see if there's a link there? Being a former EMT, I do know how important family history is. Sometimes it's just in the genes. though I believe being an O you have found the best diet for you but sometimes diet alone isn't enough. I would talk to the holistic Dr that was recommended and see if you can incorporate BT into his/her plan. I don't like meds if they can be avoided with life style changes but if you eat right AND EXERSICE and those don't lower them, i would consider a statin. 258 isn't life threatening alone. what were your HDL and tryglicerides? It's not all about just your LDL. high HDL is important. I'm sure your DR is being conservative with your family history.


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Patty, if you haven't already you might look into niacin. Can help lower LDL. I am not fond of the idea but you might discuss it with your doctor.

If I recall correctly it is mentioned as one of the protocols in the Cardivascular book.

I am guessing that red wine might even be a beneficial for you. If so, it might be good to have several times a week.
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and btw
high choleresterol = heart attach
is one of the biggest lies!!

They are trying to sell statins for drug companies.  The opposite of what your are experiencing happened to me.  I am your age but never took hormones some hot flashes here & there don't stop me.  I was told by my Dr. that I'm borderline high but the good was around 70, total came to 230 & he said no biggie.  Next blood test was up around 270 & then came BTD.  Dropped like a hot sweet potato.

Also, I eat way more meat & eggs than ever & now my cholesterol is better.
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Patty, you mentioned Black Diamond foods.  Is that what they're called in the SWAMI?  I only know of Diamonds and Black Dots.

Liquid Lecithin is the same as Lecithin, which is in granular form.


Yes, Victoria, sorry if I used the wrong term.  By black diamond I meant diamond.

So I could take the liquid lecithin instead of buying granular lecithin?  I bought a bottle of the liquid lecithin for my new CIA pans  

Today was a REALLY bad day for me all around.  I usually have good days and am happy but today it seemed that nothing went right    I've been   for the better part of the day.  Tomorrow is a new day, however


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My total cholesterol is also the highest its ever been.  It went from 225 to 258 yesterday.


FYI
that is not extremely high for an O non....
I really wouldn t worry much and keep on doing what you are doing
important is how you feel on a daily basis, and all will balance out nicely


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Sorry today was a bad day Patty H !! I hope tomorrow is better & try not to stress I believe stress plays a much bigger part in health than many give it credit for...
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and btw
high choleresterol = heart attach
is one of the biggest lies!!

They are trying to sell statins for drug companies.  The opposite of what your are experiencing happened to me.  I am your age but never took hormones some hot flashes here & there don't stop me.  I was told by my Dr. that I'm borderline high but the good was around 70, total came to 230 & he said no biggie.  Next blood test was up around 270 & then came BTD.  Dropped like a hot sweet potato.

Also, I eat way more meat & eggs than ever & now my cholesterol is better.
Also one of the biggest lies apparently
& Love the "dropped like a hot sweet potato"
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When my choelsterol was high, this new Dr I saw just sent me a letter saying they were high and wanted to put me on statins. Never asked what I ate or if I exercised or anything. I didn't care for him so I researched it. The only other thing besides going low carb that I did was exersice. It wasn't overly strenuous at that time either, I walked on my treadmill. they went from 248 to 176 in 8 weeks. Do you do any exercise? Have you googled bio identical hormones to see if there's a link there? Being a former EMT, I do know how important family history is. Sometimes it's just in the genes. though I believe being an O you have found the best diet for you but sometimes diet alone isn't enough. I would talk to the holistic Dr that was recommended and see if you can incorporate BT into his/her plan. I don't like meds if they can be avoided with life style changes but if you eat right AND EXERSICE and those don't lower them, i would consider a statin. 258 isn't life threatening alone. what were your HDL and tryglicerides? It's not all about just your LDL. high HDL is important. I'm sure your DR is being conservative with your family history.



My HDL was 68  but that is down from 71 at my last test on 1/24/11and my triglycerides were 82, but that is up from 52 at my last test on 1/24/11.  Also, just to be clear, my doctor is not pushing a statin on me.  She wants me to see the Functional Medicine chiropractor and says that we can give it a year to see if I can get my blood pressure and cholesterol under control.  In the meantime, if I want to go on a statin, I can call her any time and she will prescribe one.  She believes, however, that dealing with my blood pressure and my cholesterol in a natural way will take much longer than if I go on the drugs.


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FYI
that is not extremely high for an O non....
I really wouldn t worry much and keep on doing what you are doing
important is how you feel on a daily basis, and all will balance out nicely


Lola, I can understand that it may not be high for an O nonnie, but I also was diagnosed with high blood pressure last September.  Frankly, the hyrdochlorothiazide has not consistently brought down my blood pressure that much.

When you combine the high LDL, the hypertension and my family history, I think it IS something I need to be concerned about.  Don't forget, I am not overweight, so something is not right.  If I was overweight, these two symptoms could be linked to that.  And my diet is excellent.  Two of my three siblings were not overweight when they had their bypass surgery.


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Sorry today was a bad day Patty H !! I hope tomorrow is better & try not to stress I believe stress plays a much bigger part in health than many give it credit for...


Thank you, Possum.  I plan to take a nice, long power walk in the woods today with my dogs.  That should help me feel better!  I agree with you about the stress, but hey, we all have a bad day once in a while!


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Patty,

As I recall from the top of the thread, you have been on one of Dr. D's diets for 6 months...  I am wondering if the body is now starting to clear some deposits out of the blood vessels and this is causing the higher numbers.  It is possible that since you have been on the diet for this long that some healing has been done within the vessels and now they don't "need" the plaque on the inside of the vessels walls, so the body is removing it.  While I understand the alarm because of your family's medical history, I am hesitant to be impatient with the body.  I believe it knows what is best for itself and if provided the right input, will perform astounding feats to correct problems.

I agree that you should monitor, but not get too excited while in this transition stage...


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I'm reminded of a supplement which Dr. D recommends in the BTD Encyclopedia, p. 566 for type O's:

"Guggle (Gum resin):  Group O Cardiovascular Metabolic Enhancement

Lowers cholesterol.  Gugulipid offers considerable benefit in preventing and treating artherosclerotic vascular disease (heart disease).  Most effective in lowering LDL cholesterol and triglycerides.  Also raises the level of good cholesterol (HDL).  

Guggul exhibits a cholesterol lowering ability unlike any other natural substance. In human trials of gugulipid, cholesterol levels dropped 14% to 27% in a 4 to 12 week period, while triglyceride levels dropped from 22% to 30%."

I took Guggul 10 years ago, when my cholesterol was a little high.  It did indeed lower my LDL and raise my HDL, very successfully and with no side-effects.  I quit taking it because my triglyceride level is already quite low and didn't want to risk lowering it too much, which I don't really know if it would affect in that way.



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