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Jesi
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Went to the regular pediatrician this morning (she's closer than my ND and tobehonest I thought I was going for some bug bite cream). She's had it for about 4 days...I've been putting neem oil on it and calendula, anything I could think of, because I thought they were ant bites. They are on her right thigh only.

She gave me an antibotic cream to get her because I refused an antibiotic (plus she said "well they are almost already healed anyways).

I went to my health food store and got her a homeopathic cream and it really seems to be working. I also did a search here but ot only pops up stuff for much older people that 5 years old. She has never had chicken pox but she did have the live virus vaccine a few years ago.

I've read that lysine helps but how much? I don't know her blood type, I just know she's a negative like me, more than likely O, hubby is O+ and I'm O-, other daughter is O+.

Any help is appreciated. I think I will also take her to the ND tomorrow (where I should have gone int he first place) because the whole "nerve damage" thing scared me on these threads.


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well". Psalm 139

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If my youngest has shingles, and my oldest has been vaccinated agaainst chocken pox, can the oldest get chicken pox?

I read also that the kids more than likely don't get the nerve pain/damage. I've asked her several times and she is in no pain at all.


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Not sure how much she should take, lysine is acidic and could be hard on the kidneys.  You might have to search for paediatric lysine dose.  You might need to buy the powder and use tiny measuring spoons.  Tablets are usually 500mg and even half of that might be too much.  Lysine works really well for me but I keep it low at 500mg a day on and empty stomach in 1/2s in am and afternoon and try to use diet to control it (cold sores) more.

Reducing arginine foods (like chocolate, nuts, grapes, most grains) and increasing lysine foods (meats, potato) might be the best way.  If you google you can find herpes lysine diets like this http://www.globalherbalsupplies.com/herpes/herpes_diet_information.htm.  Changing the diet a bit should help and fit with the O type diet pretty well  


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that's awesome, thanks. Yeah she does eat the little chocolate bunny cookies and she has been eating grapes. She really doesn't eat much of anything, she is super skinny. I am worried because I read that kids who get shingles have weak immune systems (which is funny because she rarely gets sick, even when my oldest is sick, she doesn't get it). I need to figure out what to give her for her immune system. She already takes a good probiotic. I wish Dr D would make children's stuff.


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You're welcome.  BTW if you and your husband are Os then she MUST be an O.  You would both pass on OO genes alelles.  Not sure if she'd be rhesus positive or negative though, apparently that's more complicated.

Hope that she gets better soon.  Sure you can identify the chink in her armour and with all your knowledge you'll be able to seal it up.


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Symbi  -  Friday, April 1, 2011, 11:17pm
Alelles is the right word!
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Your oldest child should be fine, but he or she might want to avoid touching the infected area just in case. Anyone she comes in contact with who hasn't had the chicken pox or the vaccination should probably be warned as well. Once the blisters are completely healed, she will no longer be contagious. From what I've heard, if she doesn't experience any nerve pain or damage while the sores are still forming and the virus is "active," she should be fine. As you said, the younger you are, the less chance you have of obtaining nerve damage.

Not sure if this is relevant, but I've been told it's very rare for young people (ie those under 40 or 50) to get shingles. I had shingles when I was 18 only as a result of antibiotics, which weakened my immune system. You might want to talk to either her pediatrician or ND about the CAUSE of the shingles, once you've gotten the symptoms all cleared up. Granted I'm not a doctor, but it seems odd to me.

Anyways, good luck!
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I know...that's exactly what I thought...at first I was in disbelief and thought the doctor was wrong and just left thinking I would take her to my ND tomorrow anyways...and then I stopped by the health food store and two ladies there whom I know (and work there) said oh yeah that's shingles alright! I was just in shock. A friend also told me that shingles in kids became a lot more common after a certain year (can't remember...maybe 1980 something?) when the chicken pox vaccine became available. She has a cold right now that she's had for about 10 days...maybe that triggered it in some way?
For sure I will know more tomorrow when I talk to my ND...he will probably recommend some immunity boosters.

Symbi so if hubby and I are both O then for sure she is an O? I'm trying to avoid getting her a blood test...I guess I wasn't sure since my Dad is an O+ but my Mom was an A I think, or B, something totally different (she died in 86 and nobody remembers her bt), so anyhow I thought maybe my youngest could still be something other than O if hubby and I had a dormant A or B gene. Good to know though..she is definitely O- like me then, they didn't give me the rhogam shot after having her because she was rh neg.


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Quoted from Jesi
I read also that the kids more than likely don't get the nerve pain/damage. I've asked her several times and she is in no pain at all.

I wasn't so lucky.  I got it at age 30(?) because of huge amounts of stress (pre-BTD).  I have a scar on my forehead, eyebrow, and the side of my nose.  I also heard it was uncommon for people my age or younger.  I hope she can get well soon and not spread it around in the meantime.
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I had acupuncture when I had shingles and it seemed to make a huge difference - it all healed up soon afterwards. Lucky she doesn't feel the nerve pain as it's not much fun.
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I got shingles when i was about 25. the itching was mind bending.


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That's what I heard..my dad had it at 50 and he could barely move for days...my mother in law as well, super painful (got it at 50 something).

It's almost all dried up and has healed a lot since yesterday. The name of the cream I used is Topricin Jr. I also pumped her full of probiotics yesterday (and for the next few days). I am also following the herpes diet that Symbi suggested. I am so thankful for you guys!


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I'm glad she's feeling better!

There should be a link on here that explains the genetics of blood typing. (I don't know if there is one or not, but there should be!)

Every person has two blood type alleles- one from each parent. Egg cells and sperm cells only have one. O alleles are recessive- meaning if you get one O allele and an A, you'd be an A, and if you get an O and a B, then you're a B, but you still have that recessive trait to pass along. If you get an A from one parent and a B from the other, you're an AB. The only way you can have type O blood is if you have two O alleles. This means that all your eggs  have O alleles, and all your hubby's sperm  have O alleles, so the only possibility for your kids is O. (Not counting adoption, sperm donation, hospital mixups, abduction and impregnation by aliens, etc.)


Ruth, Single Mother to 20 yo  O- Leah , 18 yo O- Hannah, and  13 yo B+ Jack


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colloidal silver is very helpful (applied topically - you can get it in spray bottles at the hfs or transfer to your own)- it is completely harmless and really helps with all kinds of viruses and bacteria...I speak from personal experience.

And perfectly safe for children.
Look at the Silver Edge site (google) a guy called Steve Barwick runs the company - very interesting
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My sister (Type O assumed Explorer) had shingles at the age of 4.


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Careful about putting a whole lot of trust in vaccinations.  Anybody can still get any disease whether they've had a shot (or even the actual sickness) or not.  


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I had shingles in grade 9.  Thought I'd been kicked in the ribs for several days before the rash showed up.  Glad your daughter doesn't have the pain with it.



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I got shingles when i was about 25. the itching was mind bending.

For real, I had to buzz off my hair because it was touching my forehead.
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Glad she's going well!
Having a flare up of cold sores myself and Tea Tree Oil applied directly really helps the itching and the pain!  Also keep out of the sun or apply sunscreen as the sun makes your skin make arginine that feeds the virus.

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..so the only possibility for your kids is O. (Not counting adoption, sperm donation, hospital mixups, abduction and impregnation by aliens, etc.)


lol Thanks for explaining that Ruthie - hope you're feeling better   I was going to try and explain but couldn't remember the word alelle - that's the one!

Found some threads on blood type inheritance:
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1287035159/s-5/highlight-alleles/#num5
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1255436330/s-12/highlight-alleles/#num12

Secretor status inheritance:
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1244429314/s-5/highlight-alleles/#num5
(I know that if my DH is a nonnie like me then my DD must be as, like the O alelle it's recessive)


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The Rh negative allele is also recessive- which I figured out when My 0+ self and B+ ex produced not one, but two 0 negative daughters!


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For real, I had to buzz off my hair because it was touching my forehead.


The only thing worse than a non-secretor is a non-secretor who's sick.


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Thanks for the clarification! I'm glad she is O- like me. I've always felt a bit like a freak since I was the only one in my family! .


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well". Psalm 139

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Jesi - know how you feel I'm an A in a sea of Os but persist with making two different meals at once some of the time - the world is interesting! Before BTD I thought everyone must be the same as me!  

Lol Ribbit

Anyone feeling pain it might help to remember "pain is the awareness of life"  A bit groany but helps me - sometimes I feel very alive!


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Very true Symbi!

I am happy to report my daughter is almost completely healed. Her little bumps are all scabby and very small. Pwhew!!

Thanks everyone for all your help and support! ♥


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