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Cristina
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Best ways to protect ourselves?  Besides compliance to our types What supps to stock up in, what foods from our lists to emphasize? what materials to use or not around us?  

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same protocol as for heavy metal toxicity, no?


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You should keep potassium iodide tablets on hand to protect the thyroid.


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Thanks Lola and C#, good tips ...

Those Potassium tablets, are they easy to source?  just a matter of going to the chemist? It is good to know where to get what we may need in such situations ... and yes, to check the right protocols to know what to look for ...




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Hoping your son is safe, Cristina! sending hugs....
My neighbors daughter is teaching in Japan and flying home to LA this Sunday, also!
Keep us posted!


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Found this online...

CDC Radiation Emergencies | Potassium Iodide (KI)
11 Oct 2006 ... The FDA recommendations on KI can be reviewed on the Internet at Frequently Asked Questions on Potassium Iodide (KI) . ...
http://www.bt.cdc.gov/radiation/ki.asp - Cached
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Do you think my HFS will have KI or a regular pharmacy?  I wonder how long a shelf life it has.  The way the world is today, it seems like a good thing to have on hand.


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Thanks Cajun, he is fine along with everyone else in Hawaii ... thanks god for that! He is pleased that all his belongins were OK by the time they got back from the evacuation center (meaning his sacred surfboard, left behind during the rush!!! I am thankful he had not opted to swap places with the board and send it to the evacuation center instead!!! while he himself stayed behind      ... )

Nice to know your neighbor's daughter is OK too!  Personally knowing people in affected areas, gives an extra dimension of understanding of their suffering ...  

Possum, that is a nice link, very informative ... although a bit scary due to the side effects ... lets hope we never have any reason to look for them ... I still have not had a chance to check the heavy metal detox protocol yet! Crazy busy these days here...

Just thinking loud here: Nuclear is not that clean after all ... besides putting our lives at risk when nature gets a bit stirred up, this nuclear technology diverted humanity attention and resources away from faster development of alternative, eco friendly power generation options ... my opinion anyway ... I am sure if we did not have nuclear, we would have invented eco=friendly alternatives of a superior level than we have done so far, to the point that it would still have been good enough to take us to the Moon and maybe even further away than we have done so far ... There is so much about energy still to be discovered, safe energy that is ...  




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IN the US if you live close enough to a Nuclear Power plants many of the utilities give it to you.

You can get potassium iodide at chemist, pharmacy, or health food store with an extensive line of supplements.

You can also buy it online. For instance:

http://www.iherb.com/Search?kw=potassium+iodide


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I've just seen the news - they are distributing iodine tablets to people now - 'the idea is that if the body is exposed to radioactive iodine, by flooding the body with normal iodine, it will not be able to take up the radioactive source.'
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Oh what a sad day!
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I agree....nuclear power has always scared me...too many ultra dangerous risks.


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for radiation take KELP or seaweeds ......the body needs iodine and will take it from any source ie from radiatition therefore you must keep your iodine level topped up.Seaweed is a simple non harmfull and easy to get form of iodine. Can be bought at any decent health food store or online as a food supplement, capsules or sea veg.
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Eeek...I still haven't worked out (regardless of radiation threat) which way my system should be re iodine/kelp & my thyroid...
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this is one time when I would like to see a clear message from Dr D .. yes take it.. or no not yet, or no don't yet..   could we take it in liquid macuricrom fashion? .. and how much???

If it is serious enough we may get more info..


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my daily application of it after I shower on my skin, will suffice for now

not planning on ever drinking the stuff, thank you!!!


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my daily application of it after I shower on my skin, will suffice for now

not planning on ever drinking the stuff, thank you!!!


what product are you talking about Lola?




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iodine ofcourse......I paint an area ......for years


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Ahhh, using the iodine tincture thingy talked about in previous threads? I cannot get that locally, maybe next trip to brissy ... visited lots of chemists around here before, they do not have right concentration of it ... is it 2%, refresh my mem ... thanks ...




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All the stores in my city are already sold out of the potassium iodide supplements.  



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Ahhh, using the iodine tincture thingy talked about in previous threads? I cannot get that locally, maybe next trip to brissy ... visited lots of chemists around here before, they do not have right concentration of it ... is it 2%, refresh my mem ... thanks ...

I use the 2% Tincture of Iodine - either potassium or sodium iodide...

Here is a source in Australia...  It looks like they have retail outlets in Brisbane, as well as their online store...  The iodine here is 2.5%, which I think would be quite fine...
http://www.chemistaustralia.com.au/products/iodine-tincture-2-5-50ml-orion.html


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All the stores in my city are already sold out of the potassium iodide supplements.  
Many here have stopped carrying it due to some people using it for drug-making...  Last I bought was in 16 oz. bottles via the Net.  I have several smaller bottles that I keep refilling!


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Lola and ABJoe,
This is a first for me, never heard of it. How do you use/apply it...daily/ongoing?
Thanks


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Oh what a sad day!
Cristina,
I agree....nuclear power has always scared me...too many ultra dangerous risks.


Tru dat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I'm typing this with my thumbs on the iPhone and without my glasses, so I can't work up to full rant capacity, but nuclear weapons and power has always been THE biggest issue to me. Nuclear power has always been INCORRECTLY spun to us as being cheap, efficient and safe, when the reality is the TOTAL OPPOSITE on all counts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  It is expensive, produces toxic waste that they don't know what to do with, and beyond that waste, which is dangerous enough itself, nuclear power is DANGEROUS AS H*LL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The fact that they (including our president) want to build more of these nightmares is just that:  a nightmare!

We should go solar and wind, truly renewable, sustainable, SAFE energy sources. And if that isn't enough then, guess what?  I guess we'll just have to USE LESS energy then. But solar, wind and other renewables could be enough, if we would invest in it instead of going around promoting new nukes.

Omg, omg, omg!!!!!!!!!  If I had a full keyboard, this post would be 20 pages long.

NO MORE NUKES!


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Well said & well typed - no typos that I could discern
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Lola and ABJoe,
This is a first for me, never heard of it. How do you use/apply it...daily/ongoing?
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Just "paint" a spot on the stomach or thigh.  I use iodine daily - or at least several times per week.  Quite often, the spots disappear far before 12 hours are gone.


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according to comments on the old threads, if the spot stays on after 6 hours, you have  enough levels of iodine ...   I managed to source the tincture from a local chemist today, but when I asked them about the iodine tablets, they did not have a clue.  They checked their computer and the only iodine tablets they source are the multi vits ones .... They suggested to try the health shops ...

But, as suggested by the experts in here (ie: Lola likes), I stay with the tincture and up my iodine intake from food sources ... easier to pack dry seaweeds as portable food ... and BTW that situation with the reactors is getting worse by the hour ...  




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So those of us with underactive thyroid are especially at risk?


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Ribbit - that's what I am trying to work out...
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Quoted from Victoria
All the stores in my city are already sold out of the potassium iodide supplements.  


Can order for Arm and Hammer This is a 2%  liquid. I just ordered some.

http://www.magneticclay.com/store/nascent-iodine-supplement-1.aspx

If your looking for the tabs, then look on the survival sites. I remember seeing some sold there. Not sure how close I'm from the nuke site in Russellville. (about 45min drive)

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By the way staying indoors means more then just closing your doors. You should have a safe room hopefully without windows. Using duck tape and 6ply plastic seal off all windows and doors. (Pre Cut to fit and save time) turnoff heat/air and seal the vent. make sure you have water, food. So if this keeps up what do you do about the potty and fresh air? My PC room is our safe room. But this reminded me to restock. (I don't have any water in closet for one thing)


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What about bladderwrack? (maybe not fucus quality but).
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for radiation take KELP or seaweeds ......the body needs iodine and will take it from any source ie from radiatition therefore you must keep your iodine level topped up.Seaweed is a simple non harmfull and easy to get form of iodine. Can be bought at any decent health food store or online as a food supplement, capsules or sea veg.


Sea vegetables, daily, were always recommended in macrobiotics for protection against environmenmtal toxins. It was recommended that they be taken in miso soup; they believed that the combination was important.



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kelp and other seaplants make me hyper... no good... for me better is l'tyrosine   


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Although I think it would cause more harm than good if people started taking potassium iodide without a real reason, bladderwrack (Fucus spp) is probably as good or better anti-radiation agent. It is rich in iodine and potassium and it is is also rich in sodium alginate, which binds strontium in the gut, preventing it from reaching the bones.


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NOW that is what I appreciate.. GOOD advice!!!  THANKS..

And I am taking Bladderwrack already, that makes it even better.. but interestingly as soon as I took it in more then one DPN supplement I had swollen fingers again, a clear sign that I don't need as much.. since it is on avoid for me in Swami...    


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hmmm I only tried out kelp but never fucus... isn't that better for da O's


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harmonia has it all!

all BTs have fucose as their base sugar......thus making it ok for all!!


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Although I think it would cause more harm than good if people started taking potassium iodide without a real reason, bladderwrack (Fucus spp) is probably as good or better anti-radiation agent. It is rich in iodine and potassium and it is is also rich in sodium alginate, which binds strontium in the gut, preventing it from reaching the bones.

I appreciate your saying that folks probably shouldn't start popping potassium iodide unless they need to (which most of us here in the US probably won't, thank God, as we are not in the path of this escaping, marauding, human-induced monster, though those on the west coast may be the exception to that and should be on alert).  I also very much appreciate the info about bladderwrack in this context.  I wonder, would its radiation-blocking effects also apply when folks get nuclear stress tests, which typically use thallium, a radioactive isotope, or is that different type of radiation not something that bladderwrack would fend off?  It probably DOES apply pre- and post-CT scan and regular x-rays, I would think, yes?

Anyway, great info to have regarding bladderwrack in this context...it is just so chilling and horrible that this thread is even necessary, but it is, and it is a very informative one.



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Can children take bladderwrack?

I already take it, and can make my husband take it, but I have a 9 year old (O+) and a 5 year old (not sure on bt). We are on the West Coast and getting a little bit nervous about the whole issue.


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Let me fill in with the basics of iodine and radiation:

When our bodies get enough iodine, we store it for a very long time. If we already have more than enough iodine, we won't absorb any more.

One of the components of radiation leaks from nuclear power plants is radioactive iodine. Radioactive iodine is composed of iodine molecules that emit radiation.

If we're low on iodine when exposed to this kind of radiation, then we'll absorb the radioactive iodine and hold onto it for a long time. These iodine molecules will continue to emit radiation as long as it's stored in our bodies, continually exposing us to radiation damage.

Potassium iodide is made from non-radioactive iodine. If you take it before being exposed to radiation (or very shortly afterwards) then your body will "fill up on" the iodine from the pills, and then you won't absorb the radioactive iodine from the environment (or at least you won't absorb as much of it, if you've already absorbed some before taking the pill.)

The only point of supplementary iodine, in the context of radiation protection, is to prevent you from holding onto  radioactive iodine inside your body.  If the radiation is coming from a source other than iodine (such as being directly radiated from an X ray machine) then iodine won't have any protective effect.


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If you no longer have a thyroid, what do you do then?   Mine was removed when I had thyroid cancer caused by xrays to my tonsils as a baby.  I take Deflect which has the fucus in it.  
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Let me fill in with the basics of iodine and radiation:

When our bodies get enough iodine, we store it for a very long time. If we already have more than enough iodine, we won't absorb any more.

One of the components of radiation leaks from nuclear power plants is radioactive iodine. Radioactive iodine is composed of iodine molecules that emit radiation.

If we're low on iodine when exposed to this kind of radiation, then we'll absorb the radioactive iodine and hold onto it for a long time. These iodine molecules will continue to emit radiation as long as it's stored in our bodies, continually exposing us to radiation damage.

Potassium iodide is made from non-radioactive iodine. If you take it before being exposed to radiation (or very shortly afterwards) then your body will "fill up on" the iodine from the pills, and then you won't absorb the radioactive iodine from the environment (or at least you won't absorb as much of it, if you've already absorbed some before taking the pill.)

The only point of supplementary iodine, in the context of radiation protection, is to prevent you from holding onto  radioactive iodine inside your body.  If the radiation is coming from a source other than iodine (such as being directly radiated from an X ray machine) then iodine won't have any protective effect.

Well--first of all, good post, Ruthie.  That said, regarding your last point, Dr. D said that the sodium alginate in bladderwrack, versus the plain potassium iodide tablets, binds strontium in the gut, preventing it from reaching bone.  So, since there is more to it than iodine, there could be a point to taking bladderwrack pre- and post-x-radiation exposure, as in the kind one gets from x-rays and CT scans, as isn't strontium part of that mix...or is it?  I'm not sure, as there are different forms of radiation, with different components.  For example, the thallium used in nuclear stress tests, which is a nuclear radioactive isotope that one gets via an IV (yet, if I have it straight, which I'm fairly sure I don't, it is somehow encapsulated so that it lights up your organs but then quickly passes out of your system), is apparently much less capable of harming you than is a CT scan, even.  I'm not sure about any of what I just said, mind you.  I just know that all radiation scares the h*ll out of me.  But anyway, the bladderwrack does more to counter the harmful effects of radiation in the human body than just protecting the thyroid, if it also helps to keep the strontium in the gut from absorbing into bone.



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Bladderwrack is a SWAMI toxin for me.. I wonder why...


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it is not the fucus vesiculosis found in fucus
read about the differences


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it is not the fucus vesiculosis found in fucus
read about the differences


Just for confirmation and making sure I fully understand you... are you saying that I can safely take Fucus Plus even though bladderwrack appears on my SWAMI as a toxin?



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exactly


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the bladderwrack supp that I use is called bladderwrack but the ingredients say: fucus vesiculosis.
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Lola,
Do you take Harmonia? I did last year then for some unknown reason didn't re-order.
So taking Deflect and Harmonia would have me safely covered?

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...I am a little concerned living in California per the latest news coming out of Japan....wind currents, more serious problems than actually reporting, etc.  


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I add it to veggie juice, or salad dressings, or whatever needs a touch of salty seaweedy.....


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Although I think it would cause more harm than good if people started taking potassium iodide without a real reason,

What Dr. D said is what i've been hearing on my local news.  I think the worst thing is to go into panic mode!.  I heard that Japan is requesting the potassium iodide tablets from the us, but it's being sold out everywhere and people are actually trying to sell it for around $200.00 a bottle on ebay!!!!.  

I think it should be saved for the people who are actually in need of it right now, the Japanese people and the 86,000 american military personnel/families who are stationed in Japan.  I was just checking the website of the airbase in Japan that i was born on and they are detecting levels of radiation, so i hope action is taken soon on getting them out of there or providing them all with potassium iodide tablets!.


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Very useful thread, and I especially appreciate Dr D's reply. Thank you!

I also have the question that if I take Deflect every day, would that cover my fucus needs? (Though I realize Fucus Plus has a much higher concentration of fucus than Deflect... so I probably should up my dosage of Deflect from the current once a day.)




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Sea vegetables, daily, were always recommended in macrobiotics for protection against environmenmtal toxins. It was recommended that they be taken in miso soup; they believed that the combination was important.



I was just about to post the same thing.
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I consume sea vegetables regularly- I aim for daily, but that doesn't always happen.

Yesterday afternoon, after reading about Lola's iodine skin test, I decided to go ahead and paint some iodine on my foot. It's been more than 21 hours and the patch is still visible- so I guess that means I have plenty of iodine?

I wonder if sea vegetables are going to get more expensive now, as many used to come from Japan. I imagine that sea veggies can absorb radioactive iodine the same way that humans can, so Japanese sea veggies might be unfit for consumption now (excluding those already in stores that were harvested  before this disaster.) On checking, I see that my dulse comes from Maine, but my kombu from Japan. Maybe I should stock up on the Japanese kombu while I can.


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I was just thinking about that, Ruthiegirl.

I am also thinking of the Japanese people and how regularly they consumer seaweed, kelp and miso. I think that must help the population to a certain extend--by how much I don't know, given that some of them live so close to the nuclear power plants. But I would assume they have very good thyroid function in general.




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Yesterday afternoon, after reading about Lola's iodine skin test, I decided to go ahead and paint some iodine on my foot. It's been more than 21 hours and the patch is still visible- so I guess that means I have plenty of iodine?

Ruthiegirl,
I thought i heard that you should paint a spot on your inner thigh, do you if one way is more accurate (foot or thigh) than another?.

Looks like i may have spoke to soon about not panicking!.  They said that the radiation will be in California tomorrow but not to worry because it won't be harmful, well i think i'll go paint a patch of iodine on and start downing my granulated kelp!.


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I am also thinking of the Japanese people and how regularly they consumer seaweed, kelp and miso. I think that must help the population to a certain extend--by how much I don't know, given that some of them live so close to the nuclear power plants. But I would assume they have very good thyroid function in general.

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You make a very good point!.  


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I was just at the health food store. Upon check-out there was a small sign posted at the counter stating a there would be a max amount of potassium iodide sold to individuals.  So I asked the clerk about that; she told me, yes, it has been crazy and there's been a run on it - SO! I came here to see what you all were saying about it.  Good thing.  Good info.  I'm ordering fucus in my next order but am curious about that test Lola mentioned too.  I've been taking Harmonia for a few months now - I don't know if its the Harmonia or what, but as if I couldn't feel better on this diet...I  feel even BETTER!  My energy has increased, my sense of well being has increased - its fantastic.  And my weight is dropping...looking better all the time!  Thanks all & thanks,again, Dr. D ~
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...I am a little concerned living in California per the latest news coming out of Japan....wind currents, more serious problems than actually reporting, etc.  

I would be, too!  I think most of the US is safe from the fallout, but the Pacific coast is another story.  I think you are right to be ...alert, shall we say?  Alert and keeping up with the latest, and stocking up on bladderwrack!

Selfishly speaking, I'm concerned about several staple items in my diet over the long term.  The first is my beloved Haiku brand kukicha green "twig" tea which is imported from "the Uji District" in Japan.  If I have it straight, it is located here:

Edited to add:  removed link because I couldn't get the specific one to load:  but Uji is in Kyoto, Japan.

But it's a small island.  And the fallout area from this epic, monstrous nuclear tragedy is potentially huge.  Currently, my tea is on sale at my HFS and I've been stockpiling it even before the tragic events in Japan unfolded.  I plan on literally clearing out their shelves of it next time I'm in the HFS.  I won't be buying it again after that.  I'm so sad about it, not just for me but for Japan.  People will (sometimes rightly, sometimes probably wrongly) be scared to buy foodstuffs from Japan, which will just be yet another devastating blow to this dear country that is suffering so much already.

I'm also scared about how fall-out over the Pacific could get into the food chain and impact it, and us all, far from Ground Zero.  Specifically, I eat a LOT of wild salmon from Alaska.

I'm really P*SSED at my species for messing up shrimp (BP Gulf oil disaster), kukicha, salmon and basically EVERYTHING.  Will we EVER LEARN?

"History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of man:  GODZILLA!"

It is chilling to think of the mythical "Godzilla" and that fact that he rained terror on Tokyo (didn't he?  Never saw the film myself, but everyone somehow knows through cultural osmosis that Godzilla terrorized Tokyo, right?), in light of this.  To me, Godzilla represents our (the human species) own bad choices run amok.  And now Tokyo, all of Japan, and beyond, is being terrorized by a real Godzilla.  True, nature had a hand in this disaster--a huge hand, but as terrible as the 9.0 earthquake and tsunami were all by themselves, the nuclear disaster is what WE'VE unleashed.  We humans knew Japan was in an earthquake zone, just as we know California (where there are nuke plants) is, just as we know that ALL nuke plants are inherently too dangerous to justify their existence.  Yet we build them ANYWAY.  Because we do not yet understand that nature has certain laws that you don't violate.  We need to develop energy sources like solar and wind, for example, as I said earlier, that work in harmony with nature instead of violating nature.  That is the whole key to EVERYTHING in life, people:  we are meant to RESPECT and work in harmony with nature, to understand that we are a part of it, not above it.  Just because we CAN do something, doesn't mean we SHOULD.



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I love my kukicha tea and wild Alaskan salmon, too! I consume both at least twice a week! I have plenty of Deflect but the little bit of Harmonia is from last year. Does anyone know the shelf life?


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...AND... since I take Harmonia on the regular, as well as Deflect, as well as my Polyflora and all my other supps...is this enough?  I mean if its my time, its my time but...you know...   ???
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My DH just heard on our news...(12:40 Cal time, St. Patrick's Day)
that the radiation is disappating (sp?) across the Pacific......


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Ihave issues with Bladderwrack.. I think I puff up..I would like to know how much is right per day.. it comes in several of my supps.. so what do do?  


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Hi Possum! I know.....many times it seems they tell us just what we want to hear.


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Hi cajun!! Is it just "what they want us to hear"??!!! Or do you mean we interpret it just how we want to?

Anyone have any further advice re o's with underactive thyroids & iodine/kelp etc? & ppl like Goldie who think she reacts to Bladderwrack?

I am still confused as to what I should & shouldn't take??!! I am also trying to advice my daughter in LA who eats for her BT (O)
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A couple of radiation detection maps of the U.S.  I can't speak for the accuracy of either, but it's something to check in with for those who are concerned.

http://www.blackcatsystems.com/RadMap/map.html

http://radiationnetwork.com/



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How much Bladderwrack for adults or kids? lactating moms and old folks would be nice..

for life, for now or in addition to foods we eat?  like I do not like kelp, no sea foods, so what all does it do for differences?

  


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Niagreen, thanks for the useful article. According to it, we need to take 43mg of kelp daily for enough protection.

If one tablet of kelp contains 500 mcg of kelp, would that mean taking 86 tablets (1mg=1,000mcg)?  

I have heard that 1/4 of a teaspoon of kelp powder does a fairly good job to strengthen the thyroid but is that enough for radiation protection when it strikes?

Also, I'm very concerned about other isotopes being potentially spread around from the nuclear power stations in Japan. We still don't know what is going to happen eventually and the plant executives and Japanese government are not very forthcoming in releasing true information.

In the case of uranium and plutonium contamination, the potential consequences are extremely serious. I have heard that inhaling or ingesting only one radioactive particle of plutonium can cause cancer. And all the fuel rods and spent fuel rods at the six reactors at Fukushima contain plutonium.  

Is there anything at all that we can do to prevent getting sick from this type of contamination?




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PT, I love my kukicha tea...

FYI, I left a voicemail with the consumer inquiry area of Great Eastern Sun (the company that makes that wonderful tea) last night.  I don't know what, if anything, they can tell me, but I expressed my concern, as well as the fact that I LOVE their Japanese kukicha tea.  Eden Organic (a very good company) also makes a good kukicha tea...but the Great Eastern Sun, Haiku Kukicha is my favorite.  I go through a box of it (16 bags) every week at work, minimum.  Like I said, they probably don't even know what to tell folks at this point, but maybe they can tell us if they at least plan to test the tea for radiation before it is exported.  I have, literally, about 20 boxes on my shelf right now, since it is on sale at my HFS, so I stocked up.

This whole thing is TERRIBLE.  They were saying on the cable networks earlier, as I passed by our flat screen at work (they have one going all the time in the lunch area, which is where, ironically, I get my hot water for my tea!), that the radiation level now, in a 12-mile radius around the plant, is 1,600 times normal.  Folks, that is BAD.



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Also, I'm very concerned about other isotopes being potentially spread around from the nuclear power stations in Japan. We still don't know what is going to happen eventually and the plant executives and Japanese government are not very forthcoming in releasing true information.

In the case of uranium and plutonium contamination, the potential consequences are extremely serious. I have heard that inhaling or ingesting only one radioactive particle of plutonium can cause cancer. And all the fuel rods and spent fuel rods at the six reactors at Fukushima contain plutonium.

Yet our leaders and the so-called "experts" who continue to push for new nuclear power plants continue to try to spin it the same old way that nuclear energy proponents have always tried to spin it:  that it is clean (lie), safe (lie), efficient (lie), and affordable (lie).  On all counts, it is the EXACT polar opposite of those characteristics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  



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FYI, here is some information from experts on nuclear/radiation risks who tell the opposite of those "official" lies:

British Scientist and Scientific Secretary for the European Commission of Radioactive Risks, Christopher Busby, on "The Health Effects of Ionizing Radiation":

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joPoEj5e_G4

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7NO8FdkTQM&feature=related

Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6i5SZ-70VE&feature=related

Interview with Paul Gunter, Director of Reactor Oversight, Beyond Nuclear:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWlDtqTU-tE





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balletomane - I think the 43mg of iodine is meant to be taken as the radiation falls. How a person is meant to know this I do not know!

this has freaked me out a bit - I went out to buy miso soup and seaweed and have been eating them everyday. They say that radioactive material is going to spread across the whole northern hemisphere - particles have already been traced all the way in Iceland.

I think it has been played down because people don't know what their health is until they don't have it. They can't really envisage that radiation will do anything to them, even if Chernobyl was linked to so many deaths.

I also think that because there isn't a pharmaceutical way of dealing with this radiation, people haven't drummed it into our head in the same way that taking a pill for other things has been promoted. If there was a concrete way of irradicating radiation in the eyes of big pharma it would be shoved in our face, and i think they would accept how dangerous this situation is.

I'm not sure if many people like David Wolfe, but he has said some things about protecting ourselves from radiation - http://www.thebestdayever.com/news/podcast/podcast-63-dave-wolfe-on-radiation-protection/

- and the main things he talks about are kelp and any type of seaweed, starting from now to build up our iodine levels, nascent iodine (Id exercise caution with this!), ginseng, ashwaganda, chlorella, zeolites, reishi mushroom, seasalt and vitamin C.. and fulvic acid.

I think anything you can do to keep the blood alkaline is probably the best - he doesn't recommend taking everything and doesn't want to scare us! Miso and seaweed soup proved helpful for people during the chernobyl disaster. fried on the inside

I stopped listening to the news a few days ago as I was getting very worried, but no one else I know personally seems concerned!?
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this has freaked me out a bit - I went out to buy miso soup and seaweed and have been eating them everyday. They say that radioactive material is going to spread across the whole northern hemisphere - particles have already been traced all the way in Iceland.



Oh, Lord.

For smart animals, us humans can be, and have historically been, mind-bogglingly stupid.  In the immortal words of Nancy Kerrigan:  "WHY, WHY, WHY" didn't we figure out, at least after Chernobyl, that nuclear energy is not something we should be engaging in?

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balletomane - I think the 43mg of iodine is meant to be taken as the radiation falls. How a person is meant to know this I do not know!


Exactly! And the problem is, one should be not taking that high of a dose for a long stretch of time (like max. 10 days).

I have also read that Potassium Iodide is not so effective for people over the age of 40; instead, the adverse side effects could be worse.  I'm just below 40 years old, so would it be rather useless for me?

I'm really confused as what to do. Should I still try those liquid iodine and take up to 100 drops per dose?

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I stopped listening to the news a few days ago as I was getting very worried, but no one else I know personally seems concerned!?


Exactly! No one else seems to care, even among friends whom I have warned of the imminent danger--especially since the power plant officials keep on telling us they have things under control. But the thing is, they have now measured the external surface temperatures of two reactors, which ran up to 300+ degrees celcius! That's way above boiling point. Let's just hope that it's not the temp of the spent fuel rods otherwise we are still in danger of a "meltdown." The problem is, what is happening right now is unprecedented so no one really knows how things will turn out and what we can do.




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Humans.     We have no predators, except ourselves.



Here is the "legal definition" of a human being :

human being: See MONSTER.
—Ballentine's Law Dictionary (1930)

monster: A human being by birth, but in some part resembling a lower animal. A monster hath no inheritable blood, and cannot be heir to any land.
—Ballentine's Law Dictionary (1930)




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Hot off the presses:  US banning some food imports from Japan.  Inspecting others but unclear (to me anyway) whether that means ALL or just some of what arrives:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703362904576218380234550522.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....ml?ito=feeds-newsxml



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Article/blog on supplements that may help offset health damage from radiation:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leo-galland-md/supplements-radiation-_b_837420.html


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PT, thanks for that link. In a comment under that article, someone recommended a pill called BioShield-Radiation:
http://www.bioshieldpill.com/index.htm

Check it out and let me know what you guys think. Anybody heard of this product? Seems like a lot of research has been done.

I am, of course, very interested in what Dr. D thinks about the effectiveness of this product.

Since I'm also taking a lot of NAP supplements, I wonder if this pill would clash with what I'm taking.

As I am very concerned about the effects of a nuclear fallout (today they found black smoke in reactor No. 3 and the level of radiation there is very high) and all the various radioactive isotopes, not just iodine. I also want to prevent adverse side effects, so I'm still in search of a better solution than, e.g. potassium iodide or iodine solutions.




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PT, thanks for that link. In a comment under that article, someone recommended a pill called BioShield-Radiation:
http://www.bioshieldpill.com/index.htm


They offer two different vitamin products.  

The ingredients would not protect against radiation, instead they might help in repairing damage caused by radiation exposure.  Most scientist would doubt that these substance would be particularly effective in undoing damage from radiation exposure.  They would also say that at the dose in the pills it is unlikely to cause measurable harm.

I did not see ingredients that would conflict with NAP/DPN supplements.

Particularly the R2 formula ingredients overlap with ingredients in Exakta, polyvite, or GenoType Multivitamin.

The R2 formula contains the cyano form of B12, NAP/DPN products always use the methyl form.

The doses in the Bioshield products are low enough that you could take them on top of NAP/DPN products assuming you were not already exceeding the recommended rate on the NAP/DPN  product labels.









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very interested in what Dr. D thinks about the effectiveness of this product.


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PT, thanks for that link. In a comment under that article, someone recommended a pill called BioShield-Radiation:
http://www.bioshieldpill.com/index.htm

Check it out and let me know what you guys think. Anybody heard of this product? Seems like a lot of research has been done.

I am, of course, very interested in what Dr. D thinks about the effectiveness of this product.

Since I'm also taking a lot of NAP supplements, I wonder if this pill would clash with what I'm taking.

As I am very concerned about the effects of a nuclear fallout (today they found black smoke in reactor No. 3 and the level of radiation there is very high) and all the various radioactive isotopes, not just iodine. I also want to prevent adverse side effects, so I'm still in search of a better solution than, e.g. potassium iodide or iodine solutions.

Good God, I am just now noticing that you are in "Asia".  No wonder you are concerned.  Where are you?  I'm glad you are being proactive and learning and doing all you can.  This whole thing* is a nightmare of epic proportions.



* edited to add:  with the possible exception/silver lining that MAYBE (just maybe) the world will wake up to the fact that we should never build another nuclear power plant, and should decommision the ones currently in use.  But if that waking up didn't happen after Chernobyl, I am not at all convinced it will happen now.  I think nuclear proponents will just spin it that, "Well, you see, that is a plant using older technology, and what we need are NEW plants using NEW technology to harness the friendly atom."  To their arguments I say:  "Take it elsewhere!  As in, nowhere on this particular planet!  I don't want 'er, you can have 'er, she's too fat for me!"


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C_Sharp, thanks so much for your advice. At least I know that this would pose no harm especially if I take it along with NAP/DPN products.

Here is the reply from the company after I inquired about which product I should take and what ingredients are responsible for preventing damage by various types of radioisotopes:

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You should consider taking our R-2 product, which was developed for daily use.  R-2 also contains all the ingredients you would want in a multi-vitamin.  So, the way we view this is that if you are going to take a multi-vitamin, you might as well take one that also provides protection against the adverse effects of radiation.

Antioxidants are free radical scavengers.  The type and amount of antioxidants in BioShield-Radiation, together with the doses of n-acetylcysteine, alpha-lipoic acid and natural mixed carotenoids, provides an optimal free radical scavenging effect.  Also, please note that what is NOT in the formulation is as important as what is in the formulation.  If your multi-vitamin contains heavy metals, then they will produce a pro-oxidant effect, which is the exact opposite of what you are trying to accomplish.


Based on this reply, I think C_sharp is right about "repairing damage caused by radiation exposure" instead of preventing it. But at the same time, when we have enough anti-oxidants in our body, wouldn't they act as a kind of a shield/defense in the first place?




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Good God, I am just now noticing that you are in "Asia".  No wonder you are concerned.  Where are you?  I'm glad you are being proactive and learning and doing all you can.  This whole thing* is a nightmare of epic proportions.





Yes, I am seriously concerned. And Americans should be too, especially now that a couple of radioactive isotopes are floating across the Pacific Ocean to the West Coast. You can have a clear picture at the links below:

Idoine 133 (half life: 20.8 hours):
http://transport.nilu.no/browser/fpv_fuku?fpp=conccol_I-131_;region=NH

Cesium 137 (half life: 30 years):
http://transport.nilu.no/browser/fpv_fuku?fpp=conccol_Cs-137_;region=NH

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the amount of Caesium-137 released at Fukushima in the first 3-4 days of the crisis amounted to 50% that released by Chernobyl over 10 days, the real run rate of the radiation released at Fukushima is now about 120-150% the figure released by the Chernobyl explosion – and that’s not even factoring in ongoing radiation leaks from Fukushima, which many experts have estimated could go on for much longer.


I have yet to find a source to check the uranium and plutonium levels. These isotopes have immensely long half lives.

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The Half-life of Plutonium-239 in MOX is 24,000 years and just a few milligrams of P-239 escaping in a smoke plume will contaminate soil for tens of thousands of years.


Besides direct harm to the body, the contamination means our food chain would be severely messed up  .

(Source for the above figures: http://www.infowars.com/fukushima-radiation-release-rivals-chernobyl/)




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Well, I have not heard back from Great Eastern Sun regarding their tea (which p*sses me off, actually, but moving along), but I notice that the district in Japan where their tea hails from is near to Hiroshima, so all this time I've been drinking their organic tea, goodness knows what fallout is it from WWII, nevermind this latest tragedy, with half-lifes being what they are for some (like plutonium).  I had actually wondered about that before this ever happened, but I never looked at a map to see how close the Uji District is to either Hiroshima or Nagasakee.

It really profoundly infuriates me how we have ruined this beautiful world.  You can't have a cup of tea, some salmon, or a leafy green, let alone breathe the air, without wondering if it's gonna kill you.  That ain't right, I'm here to sing out.


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Hey PT, I'm here to sing it out loud with you, with tears in my eyes  .




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Our local news said extra radioactivity has been detected in Anaheim and Riverside California. Most of you know Anaheim as the city where Disneyland lives. The other city is further inland and about 60 miles south of me. They also said it was not a large enough amount to be  dangerous/concerned.  


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Colorado and Oregon are the latest states to report detection of radioactive particles that have drifted over the North Pacific Ocean from the Fukushima plant.


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Out of a total of 18 air monitors in California, Oregon and Washington state, the areas of the US most at risk from any spreading radiation, the EPA says 8 are not functioning.


(http://www.infowars.com/fukushima-radiation-spreading-to-more-u-s-states/)




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