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balletomane
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Niagreen, thanks for the useful article. According to it, we need to take 43mg of kelp daily for enough protection.

If one tablet of kelp contains 500 mcg of kelp, would that mean taking 86 tablets (1mg=1,000mcg)?  

I have heard that 1/4 of a teaspoon of kelp powder does a fairly good job to strengthen the thyroid but is that enough for radiation protection when it strikes?

Also, I'm very concerned about other isotopes being potentially spread around from the nuclear power stations in Japan. We still don't know what is going to happen eventually and the plant executives and Japanese government are not very forthcoming in releasing true information.

In the case of uranium and plutonium contamination, the potential consequences are extremely serious. I have heard that inhaling or ingesting only one radioactive particle of plutonium can cause cancer. And all the fuel rods and spent fuel rods at the six reactors at Fukushima contain plutonium.  

Is there anything at all that we can do to prevent getting sick from this type of contamination?


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PT, I love my kukicha tea...

FYI, I left a voicemail with the consumer inquiry area of Great Eastern Sun (the company that makes that wonderful tea) last night.  I don't know what, if anything, they can tell me, but I expressed my concern, as well as the fact that I LOVE their Japanese kukicha tea.  Eden Organic (a very good company) also makes a good kukicha tea...but the Great Eastern Sun, Haiku Kukicha is my favorite.  I go through a box of it (16 bags) every week at work, minimum.  Like I said, they probably don't even know what to tell folks at this point, but maybe they can tell us if they at least plan to test the tea for radiation before it is exported.  I have, literally, about 20 boxes on my shelf right now, since it is on sale at my HFS, so I stocked up.

This whole thing is TERRIBLE.  They were saying on the cable networks earlier, as I passed by our flat screen at work (they have one going all the time in the lunch area, which is where, ironically, I get my hot water for my tea!), that the radiation level now, in a 12-mile radius around the plant, is 1,600 times normal.  Folks, that is BAD.



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Also, I'm very concerned about other isotopes being potentially spread around from the nuclear power stations in Japan. We still don't know what is going to happen eventually and the plant executives and Japanese government are not very forthcoming in releasing true information.

In the case of uranium and plutonium contamination, the potential consequences are extremely serious. I have heard that inhaling or ingesting only one radioactive particle of plutonium can cause cancer. And all the fuel rods and spent fuel rods at the six reactors at Fukushima contain plutonium.

Yet our leaders and the so-called "experts" who continue to push for new nuclear power plants continue to try to spin it the same old way that nuclear energy proponents have always tried to spin it:  that it is clean (lie), safe (lie), efficient (lie), and affordable (lie).  On all counts, it is the EXACT polar opposite of those characteristics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  



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FYI, here is some information from experts on nuclear/radiation risks who tell the opposite of those "official" lies:

British Scientist and Scientific Secretary for the European Commission of Radioactive Risks, Christopher Busby, on "The Health Effects of Ionizing Radiation":

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joPoEj5e_G4

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7NO8FdkTQM&feature=related

Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6i5SZ-70VE&feature=related

Interview with Paul Gunter, Director of Reactor Oversight, Beyond Nuclear:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWlDtqTU-tE



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balletomane - I think the 43mg of iodine is meant to be taken as the radiation falls. How a person is meant to know this I do not know!

this has freaked me out a bit - I went out to buy miso soup and seaweed and have been eating them everyday. They say that radioactive material is going to spread across the whole northern hemisphere - particles have already been traced all the way in Iceland.

I think it has been played down because people don't know what their health is until they don't have it. They can't really envisage that radiation will do anything to them, even if Chernobyl was linked to so many deaths.

I also think that because there isn't a pharmaceutical way of dealing with this radiation, people haven't drummed it into our head in the same way that taking a pill for other things has been promoted. If there was a concrete way of irradicating radiation in the eyes of big pharma it would be shoved in our face, and i think they would accept how dangerous this situation is.

I'm not sure if many people like David Wolfe, but he has said some things about protecting ourselves from radiation - http://www.thebestdayever.com/news/podcast/podcast-63-dave-wolfe-on-radiation-protection/

- and the main things he talks about are kelp and any type of seaweed, starting from now to build up our iodine levels, nascent iodine (Id exercise caution with this!), ginseng, ashwaganda, chlorella, zeolites, reishi mushroom, seasalt and vitamin C.. and fulvic acid.

I think anything you can do to keep the blood alkaline is probably the best - he doesn't recommend taking everything and doesn't want to scare us! Miso and seaweed soup proved helpful for people during the chernobyl disaster. fried on the inside

I stopped listening to the news a few days ago as I was getting very worried, but no one else I know personally seems concerned!?
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this has freaked me out a bit - I went out to buy miso soup and seaweed and have been eating them everyday. They say that radioactive material is going to spread across the whole northern hemisphere - particles have already been traced all the way in Iceland.



Oh, Lord.

For smart animals, us humans can be, and have historically been, mind-bogglingly stupid.  In the immortal words of Nancy Kerrigan:  "WHY, WHY, WHY" didn't we figure out, at least after Chernobyl, that nuclear energy is not something we should be engaging in?

Humans.     We have no predators, except ourselves.





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balletomane - I think the 43mg of iodine is meant to be taken as the radiation falls. How a person is meant to know this I do not know!


Exactly! And the problem is, one should be not taking that high of a dose for a long stretch of time (like max. 10 days).

I have also read that Potassium Iodide is not so effective for people over the age of 40; instead, the adverse side effects could be worse.  I'm just below 40 years old, so would it be rather useless for me?

I'm really confused as what to do. Should I still try those liquid iodine and take up to 100 drops per dose?

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I stopped listening to the news a few days ago as I was getting very worried, but no one else I know personally seems concerned!?


Exactly! No one else seems to care, even among friends whom I have warned of the imminent danger--especially since the power plant officials keep on telling us they have things under control. But the thing is, they have now measured the external surface temperatures of two reactors, which ran up to 300+ degrees celcius! That's way above boiling point. Let's just hope that it's not the temp of the spent fuel rods otherwise we are still in danger of a "meltdown." The problem is, what is happening right now is unprecedented so no one really knows how things will turn out and what we can do.


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Humans.     We have no predators, except ourselves.



Here is the "legal definition" of a human being :

human being: See MONSTER.
—Ballentine's Law Dictionary (1930)

monster: A human being by birth, but in some part resembling a lower animal. A monster hath no inheritable blood, and cannot be heir to any land.
—Ballentine's Law Dictionary (1930)


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Hot off the presses:  US banning some food imports from Japan.  Inspecting others but unclear (to me anyway) whether that means ALL or just some of what arrives:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703362904576218380234550522.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....ml?ito=feeds-newsxml



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Article/blog on supplements that may help offset health damage from radiation:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leo-galland-md/supplements-radiation-_b_837420.html


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PT, thanks for that link. In a comment under that article, someone recommended a pill called BioShield-Radiation:
http://www.bioshieldpill.com/index.htm

Check it out and let me know what you guys think. Anybody heard of this product? Seems like a lot of research has been done.

I am, of course, very interested in what Dr. D thinks about the effectiveness of this product.

Since I'm also taking a lot of NAP supplements, I wonder if this pill would clash with what I'm taking.

As I am very concerned about the effects of a nuclear fallout (today they found black smoke in reactor No. 3 and the level of radiation there is very high) and all the various radioactive isotopes, not just iodine. I also want to prevent adverse side effects, so I'm still in search of a better solution than, e.g. potassium iodide or iodine solutions.


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PT, thanks for that link. In a comment under that article, someone recommended a pill called BioShield-Radiation:
http://www.bioshieldpill.com/index.htm


They offer two different vitamin products.  

The ingredients would not protect against radiation, instead they might help in repairing damage caused by radiation exposure.  Most scientist would doubt that these substance would be particularly effective in undoing damage from radiation exposure.  They would also say that at the dose in the pills it is unlikely to cause measurable harm.

I did not see ingredients that would conflict with NAP/DPN supplements.

Particularly the R2 formula ingredients overlap with ingredients in Exakta, polyvite, or GenoType Multivitamin.

The R2 formula contains the cyano form of B12, NAP/DPN products always use the methyl form.

The doses in the Bioshield products are low enough that you could take them on top of NAP/DPN products assuming you were not already exceeding the recommended rate on the NAP/DPN  product labels.









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very interested in what Dr. D thinks about the effectiveness of this product.


what C just said


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PT, thanks for that link. In a comment under that article, someone recommended a pill called BioShield-Radiation:
http://www.bioshieldpill.com/index.htm

Check it out and let me know what you guys think. Anybody heard of this product? Seems like a lot of research has been done.

I am, of course, very interested in what Dr. D thinks about the effectiveness of this product.

Since I'm also taking a lot of NAP supplements, I wonder if this pill would clash with what I'm taking.

As I am very concerned about the effects of a nuclear fallout (today they found black smoke in reactor No. 3 and the level of radiation there is very high) and all the various radioactive isotopes, not just iodine. I also want to prevent adverse side effects, so I'm still in search of a better solution than, e.g. potassium iodide or iodine solutions.

Good God, I am just now noticing that you are in "Asia".  No wonder you are concerned.  Where are you?  I'm glad you are being proactive and learning and doing all you can.  This whole thing* is a nightmare of epic proportions.



* edited to add:  with the possible exception/silver lining that MAYBE (just maybe) the world will wake up to the fact that we should never build another nuclear power plant, and should decommision the ones currently in use.  But if that waking up didn't happen after Chernobyl, I am not at all convinced it will happen now.  I think nuclear proponents will just spin it that, "Well, you see, that is a plant using older technology, and what we need are NEW plants using NEW technology to harness the friendly atom."  To their arguments I say:  "Take it elsewhere!  As in, nowhere on this particular planet!  I don't want 'er, you can have 'er, she's too fat for me!"


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C_Sharp, thanks so much for your advice. At least I know that this would pose no harm especially if I take it along with NAP/DPN products.

Here is the reply from the company after I inquired about which product I should take and what ingredients are responsible for preventing damage by various types of radioisotopes:

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You should consider taking our R-2 product, which was developed for daily use.  R-2 also contains all the ingredients you would want in a multi-vitamin.  So, the way we view this is that if you are going to take a multi-vitamin, you might as well take one that also provides protection against the adverse effects of radiation.

Antioxidants are free radical scavengers.  The type and amount of antioxidants in BioShield-Radiation, together with the doses of n-acetylcysteine, alpha-lipoic acid and natural mixed carotenoids, provides an optimal free radical scavenging effect.  Also, please note that what is NOT in the formulation is as important as what is in the formulation.  If your multi-vitamin contains heavy metals, then they will produce a pro-oxidant effect, which is the exact opposite of what you are trying to accomplish.


Based on this reply, I think C_sharp is right about "repairing damage caused by radiation exposure" instead of preventing it. But at the same time, when we have enough anti-oxidants in our body, wouldn't they act as a kind of a shield/defense in the first place?


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Good God, I am just now noticing that you are in "Asia".  No wonder you are concerned.  Where are you?  I'm glad you are being proactive and learning and doing all you can.  This whole thing* is a nightmare of epic proportions.





Yes, I am seriously concerned. And Americans should be too, especially now that a couple of radioactive isotopes are floating across the Pacific Ocean to the West Coast. You can have a clear picture at the links below:

Idoine 133 (half life: 20.8 hours):
http://transport.nilu.no/browser/fpv_fuku?fpp=conccol_I-131_;region=NH

Cesium 137 (half life: 30 years):
http://transport.nilu.no/browser/fpv_fuku?fpp=conccol_Cs-137_;region=NH

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the amount of Caesium-137 released at Fukushima in the first 3-4 days of the crisis amounted to 50% that released by Chernobyl over 10 days, the real run rate of the radiation released at Fukushima is now about 120-150% the figure released by the Chernobyl explosion – and that’s not even factoring in ongoing radiation leaks from Fukushima, which many experts have estimated could go on for much longer.


I have yet to find a source to check the uranium and plutonium levels. These isotopes have immensely long half lives.

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The Half-life of Plutonium-239 in MOX is 24,000 years and just a few milligrams of P-239 escaping in a smoke plume will contaminate soil for tens of thousands of years.


Besides direct harm to the body, the contamination means our food chain would be severely messed up  .

(Source for the above figures: http://www.infowars.com/fukushima-radiation-release-rivals-chernobyl/)


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Well, I have not heard back from Great Eastern Sun regarding their tea (which p*sses me off, actually, but moving along), but I notice that the district in Japan where their tea hails from is near to Hiroshima, so all this time I've been drinking their organic tea, goodness knows what fallout is it from WWII, nevermind this latest tragedy, with half-lifes being what they are for some (like plutonium).  I had actually wondered about that before this ever happened, but I never looked at a map to see how close the Uji District is to either Hiroshima or Nagasakee.

It really profoundly infuriates me how we have ruined this beautiful world.  You can't have a cup of tea, some salmon, or a leafy green, let alone breathe the air, without wondering if it's gonna kill you.  That ain't right, I'm here to sing out.


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Hey PT, I'm here to sing it out loud with you, with tears in my eyes  .


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Our local news said extra radioactivity has been detected in Anaheim and Riverside California. Most of you know Anaheim as the city where Disneyland lives. The other city is further inland and about 60 miles south of me. They also said it was not a large enough amount to be  dangerous/concerned.  


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Colorado and Oregon are the latest states to report detection of radioactive particles that have drifted over the North Pacific Ocean from the Fukushima plant.


Note that:
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Out of a total of 18 air monitors in California, Oregon and Washington state, the areas of the US most at risk from any spreading radiation, the EPA says 8 are not functioning.


(http://www.infowars.com/fukushima-radiation-spreading-to-more-u-s-states/)


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