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Oh what a sad day!
Cristina,
I agree....nuclear power has always scared me...too many ultra dangerous risks.


Tru dat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I'm typing this with my thumbs on the iPhone and without my glasses, so I can't work up to full rant capacity, but nuclear weapons and power has always been THE biggest issue to me. Nuclear power has always been INCORRECTLY spun to us as being cheap, efficient and safe, when the reality is the TOTAL OPPOSITE on all counts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  It is expensive, produces toxic waste that they don't know what to do with, and beyond that waste, which is dangerous enough itself, nuclear power is DANGEROUS AS H*LL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The fact that they (including our president) want to build more of these nightmares is just that:  a nightmare!

We should go solar and wind, truly renewable, sustainable, SAFE energy sources. And if that isn't enough then, guess what?  I guess we'll just have to USE LESS energy then. But solar, wind and other renewables could be enough, if we would invest in it instead of going around promoting new nukes.

Omg, omg, omg!!!!!!!!!  If I had a full keyboard, this post would be 20 pages long.

NO MORE NUKES!


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Well said & well typed - no typos that I could discern
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Lola and ABJoe,
This is a first for me, never heard of it. How do you use/apply it...daily/ongoing?
Thanks

Just "paint" a spot on the stomach or thigh.  I use iodine daily - or at least several times per week.  Quite often, the spots disappear far before 12 hours are gone.


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according to comments on the old threads, if the spot stays on after 6 hours, you have  enough levels of iodine ...   I managed to source the tincture from a local chemist today, but when I asked them about the iodine tablets, they did not have a clue.  They checked their computer and the only iodine tablets they source are the multi vits ones .... They suggested to try the health shops ...

But, as suggested by the experts in here (ie: Lola likes), I stay with the tincture and up my iodine intake from food sources ... easier to pack dry seaweeds as portable food ... and BTW that situation with the reactors is getting worse by the hour ...  




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So those of us with underactive thyroid are especially at risk?


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Quoted from Victoria
All the stores in my city are already sold out of the potassium iodide supplements.  


Can order for Arm and Hammer This is a 2%  liquid. I just ordered some.

http://www.magneticclay.com/store/nascent-iodine-supplement-1.aspx

If your looking for the tabs, then look on the survival sites. I remember seeing some sold there. Not sure how close I'm from the nuke site in Russellville. (about 45min drive)

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By the way staying indoors means more then just closing your doors. You should have a safe room hopefully without windows. Using duck tape and 6ply plastic seal off all windows and doors. (Pre Cut to fit and save time) turnoff heat/air and seal the vent. make sure you have water, food. So if this keeps up what do you do about the potty and fresh air? My PC room is our safe room. But this reminded me to restock. (I don't have any water in closet for one thing)


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What about bladderwrack? (maybe not fucus quality but).
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for radiation take KELP or seaweeds ......the body needs iodine and will take it from any source ie from radiatition therefore you must keep your iodine level topped up.Seaweed is a simple non harmfull and easy to get form of iodine. Can be bought at any decent health food store or online as a food supplement, capsules or sea veg.


Sea vegetables, daily, were always recommended in macrobiotics for protection against environmenmtal toxins. It was recommended that they be taken in miso soup; they believed that the combination was important.



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kelp and other seaplants make me hyper... no good... for me better is l'tyrosine   


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Although I think it would cause more harm than good if people started taking potassium iodide without a real reason, bladderwrack (Fucus spp) is probably as good or better anti-radiation agent. It is rich in iodine and potassium and it is is also rich in sodium alginate, which binds strontium in the gut, preventing it from reaching the bones.


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NOW that is what I appreciate.. GOOD advice!!!  THANKS..

And I am taking Bladderwrack already, that makes it even better.. but interestingly as soon as I took it in more then one DPN supplement I had swollen fingers again, a clear sign that I don't need as much.. since it is on avoid for me in Swami...    


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hmmm I only tried out kelp but never fucus... isn't that better for da O's


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harmonia has it all!

all BTs have fucose as their base sugar......thus making it ok for all!!


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Quoted from Dr. D
Although I think it would cause more harm than good if people started taking potassium iodide without a real reason, bladderwrack (Fucus spp) is probably as good or better anti-radiation agent. It is rich in iodine and potassium and it is is also rich in sodium alginate, which binds strontium in the gut, preventing it from reaching the bones.

I appreciate your saying that folks probably shouldn't start popping potassium iodide unless they need to (which most of us here in the US probably won't, thank God, as we are not in the path of this escaping, marauding, human-induced monster, though those on the west coast may be the exception to that and should be on alert).  I also very much appreciate the info about bladderwrack in this context.  I wonder, would its radiation-blocking effects also apply when folks get nuclear stress tests, which typically use thallium, a radioactive isotope, or is that different type of radiation not something that bladderwrack would fend off?  It probably DOES apply pre- and post-CT scan and regular x-rays, I would think, yes?

Anyway, great info to have regarding bladderwrack in this context...it is just so chilling and horrible that this thread is even necessary, but it is, and it is a very informative one.



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Can children take bladderwrack?

I already take it, and can make my husband take it, but I have a 9 year old (O+) and a 5 year old (not sure on bt). We are on the West Coast and getting a little bit nervous about the whole issue.


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Let me fill in with the basics of iodine and radiation:

When our bodies get enough iodine, we store it for a very long time. If we already have more than enough iodine, we won't absorb any more.

One of the components of radiation leaks from nuclear power plants is radioactive iodine. Radioactive iodine is composed of iodine molecules that emit radiation.

If we're low on iodine when exposed to this kind of radiation, then we'll absorb the radioactive iodine and hold onto it for a long time. These iodine molecules will continue to emit radiation as long as it's stored in our bodies, continually exposing us to radiation damage.

Potassium iodide is made from non-radioactive iodine. If you take it before being exposed to radiation (or very shortly afterwards) then your body will "fill up on" the iodine from the pills, and then you won't absorb the radioactive iodine from the environment (or at least you won't absorb as much of it, if you've already absorbed some before taking the pill.)

The only point of supplementary iodine, in the context of radiation protection, is to prevent you from holding onto  radioactive iodine inside your body.  If the radiation is coming from a source other than iodine (such as being directly radiated from an X ray machine) then iodine won't have any protective effect.


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If you no longer have a thyroid, what do you do then?   Mine was removed when I had thyroid cancer caused by xrays to my tonsils as a baby.  I take Deflect which has the fucus in it.  
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Quoted from ruthiegirl
Let me fill in with the basics of iodine and radiation:

When our bodies get enough iodine, we store it for a very long time. If we already have more than enough iodine, we won't absorb any more.

One of the components of radiation leaks from nuclear power plants is radioactive iodine. Radioactive iodine is composed of iodine molecules that emit radiation.

If we're low on iodine when exposed to this kind of radiation, then we'll absorb the radioactive iodine and hold onto it for a long time. These iodine molecules will continue to emit radiation as long as it's stored in our bodies, continually exposing us to radiation damage.

Potassium iodide is made from non-radioactive iodine. If you take it before being exposed to radiation (or very shortly afterwards) then your body will "fill up on" the iodine from the pills, and then you won't absorb the radioactive iodine from the environment (or at least you won't absorb as much of it, if you've already absorbed some before taking the pill.)

The only point of supplementary iodine, in the context of radiation protection, is to prevent you from holding onto  radioactive iodine inside your body.  If the radiation is coming from a source other than iodine (such as being directly radiated from an X ray machine) then iodine won't have any protective effect.

Well--first of all, good post, Ruthie.  That said, regarding your last point, Dr. D said that the sodium alginate in bladderwrack, versus the plain potassium iodide tablets, binds strontium in the gut, preventing it from reaching bone.  So, since there is more to it than iodine, there could be a point to taking bladderwrack pre- and post-x-radiation exposure, as in the kind one gets from x-rays and CT scans, as isn't strontium part of that mix...or is it?  I'm not sure, as there are different forms of radiation, with different components.  For example, the thallium used in nuclear stress tests, which is a nuclear radioactive isotope that one gets via an IV (yet, if I have it straight, which I'm fairly sure I don't, it is somehow encapsulated so that it lights up your organs but then quickly passes out of your system), is apparently much less capable of harming you than is a CT scan, even.  I'm not sure about any of what I just said, mind you.  I just know that all radiation scares the h*ll out of me.  But anyway, the bladderwrack does more to counter the harmful effects of radiation in the human body than just protecting the thyroid, if it also helps to keep the strontium in the gut from absorbing into bone.



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Bladderwrack is a SWAMI toxin for me.. I wonder why...


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it is not the fucus vesiculosis found in fucus
read about the differences


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it is not the fucus vesiculosis found in fucus
read about the differences


Just for confirmation and making sure I fully understand you... are you saying that I can safely take Fucus Plus even though bladderwrack appears on my SWAMI as a toxin?



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