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Lizzie
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I only have mild symptoms (occasional hot flush / night sweat) since I was 38, and I know that when your symptoms are very bad that you need something for it, but:

Shouldn't following the BTD/swami regulate our hormones as we're feeding our body all the correct foods and nourishing all our cells properly?  My mum always said that she didn't have any symptoms because she didn't eat any 'c**p', was a healthy body weight, did plenty of exercise and got fresh air and daylight


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I stared the bio-identical hormones yesterday and SLEPT 12 hours last night!  I am so sleep deprived, I do not know whether this was sheer relief or the hormones at work, but all I can say is that it was a great beginning.

I did have night sweats but only three times; once immediately when I got in bed at 10:00 PM, once at 4:30 AM and again at 7:30 AM.  I thought I would get up at 7:30, decided to read and fell back to sleep until 10 AM.  I can only say that for the first time in some time I awoke feeling rested and relaxed and ready to work.  I don't usually sleep that late, but I am grateful for the sleep and hope that I continue to sleep as soundly and with less frequent night sweats that last one or two hours at a time!  To be continued . . .


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My wife had blood tests, but those were to confirm what the practitioner suspected from her charting.  If you are doing blood test without charting, you have less information for the decision making progress.  Most MDs are ill-informed, or un-informed about this possibility.


Paul, I do not know what you mean about the charting.  Can you give me more information?  Thanks!


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The charting that we did for my wife is part of the Creighton Model system.  It is usually call NaPro Technology.  I have personally known a high level educator in the system who tells her Gynecologist when she has precancerous cells that need attention.

I am a very interested advocate on behalf of this health modality; I served on the board of a charitable organization in Toronto that promotes the system.  My wife only conceived after years of charting and months of blood tests (both of which she disliked).  Hormones are powerful and if a woman is charting with suitable guidance, more light can be shed upon what is going on.

Many women who are now suffering could be helped with this.  The most obvious help is for women who suffer excessively during menstruation.  Serious reproductive medical issues show signs in the woman's body - all she needs is experienced help to know what to look for.  Perimenopause is also a good time to monitor the hormones.  Many women, who were willing to openly share their experience, have mentioned how menopause has been easier for them with the monitoring and properly timed bio-identical hormone support.

From what I have learned from people who understand the system better, the timing of the hormone support is a critical.  A constant dose of a particular hormone is a harsh intervention; it is better to use a smaller amount timed to be as effective as possible.

The charting process is non-invasive, and all the educators I know are women.  Although the system may not be perfect, the alternative of not charting is worse.  

It is very important each woman should have the knowledge of what is possible and choose for herself.  Apart from charting to get pregnant, DW and I have also helped in the effort to educate soon-to-be-weds.  

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Paul, I went to a site for NaPro Technology and it didn't say anything about using this for peri-menopause or menopause.  Do you have a link you could provide that would specifically address peri-menopause?  I would be very appreciative  . . .


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I have been on the bio-identical hormones now for almost two weeks and am seeing some really great results so far.  I advocated for the doctor add estrogen.  At first we were going to do just progesterone but after doing some reading, I realized that my symptoms were more related to estrogen deficiency.  I have The Natural Superwoman by Uzzi Reiss and Yfat Reiss Gendell.  In the book, he has a list of 26 questions that point to estrogen deficiency.  He states that if you answer yes to two or three of the questions, you may need be estrogen deficient.  I answered yes to 21 of the 26.

I am sleeping much better.  In fact, if I wake up in the middle of the night, I am almost always able to get right back to sleep, which is fantastic, because before I used to lay there for 2-3 hours sweating and freezing.  My blood pressure seems to be a bit better and my metabolism has really kicked in.  I think I need to start eating a bit more as I am much more hungry now.  I am also experiencing fewer hot flashes!!!

So far, so good!!!


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The only thing I know about hormones is that when I started eating beef on the btd I wasn't able to find grass fed and so I ate beef from the grocery that had unknown amounts of hormones.  It wasn't long before I had excessive monthly bleeding and lumps forming throughout my body.  Within a few weeks of stopping eating any product treated with hormones my body started returning to normal.
Maybe others don't react as I did but I can't help but wonder why this isn't more common knowledge.
But then the beef industry almost took down Oprah, so I shouldn't be surprised.
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Not all hormones are similar.  Synthetic hormones are very harmful and cannot be processed by the body like bio-identical hormones, which are derived from plants.

In Dr. Lee's book, What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Menopause, he goes into this subject in great detail.  You may want to look at that or other sources to understand the differences, if you are interested.


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Oh, I wasn't suggesting what you were doing would affect you like meat and dairy hormones if that's what you mean.  I just can't help but wonder if all the millions of other women who eat beef and milk are having problems and not knowing beef or milk could be the cause.  And I have no idea what it's doing to men.  

Does the book only detail how synthetic hormones used in the food industry affect menopausal women or all women and men?

Anyway, I'm glad you're sleeping better.  
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Oh, I wasn't suggesting what you were doing would affect you like meat and dairy hormones if that's what you mean.  I just can't help but wonder if all the millions of other women who eat beef and milk are having problems and not knowing beef or milk could be the cause.  And I have no idea what it's doing to men.  

Does the book only detail how synthetic hormones used in the food industry affect menopausal women or all women and men?

Anyway, I'm glad you're sleeping better.  


No worries, curiouser!  I wasn't thinking that at all!   I just thought since you brought up the subject of hormones in food, you might find this book or something else on the subject interesting.  I read as much as I can, and frankly, I was very surprised to find this type of info in a book on menopause.  After reading it, however, I understand why it is included.

The book is meant for women who are experiences peri-menopause or menopause, but I know he has another book on pre-menopause and I am sure he goes into the same discussion of hormones being over used in foods.  It is not just foods, however, petrochemicals cause a hormone like reaction in our bodies and he goes into great detail about this.  These are called xenoestrogens.  I am sure you could find some other books not related to menopause on the subject.  Here is a link to wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenoestrogen

And thanks for the congrats on the sleep!  It is wonderful to sleep!!!


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I'm happy for you, Patty!  Glad you're getting some good quality sleep.  



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I'm happy for you, Patty!  Glad you're getting some good quality sleep.  


Thank you, Victoria!


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Ok ladies, at 54, still having heavy regular periods.  Very clotty.   I eat grass fed ground beef, but can't afford the other grass fed cuts at WF.......also use a bit of half & half.....in my teas.  This thread is interesting.   I had a stiff neck on left side for months that I think was relieved by a bit of additional magnesium, but could be related to estrogen levels....keep posting your progress Patty H!
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I only have mild symptoms (occasional hot flush / night sweat) since I was 38, and I know that when your symptoms are very bad that you need something for it, but:

Shouldn't following the BTD/swami regulate our hormones as we're feeding our body all the correct foods and nourishing all our cells properly?  My mum always said that she didn't have any symptoms because she didn't eat any 'c**p', was a healthy body weight, did plenty of exercise and got fresh air and daylight


I hope you are correct.  I only started on the BTD/GTD five months ago, just before I turned 53.  Although my diet has been better than most for several years with minimal refined sugar and low carbs (after being a pastry chef, mind you) I still was not eating grass fed meat or strictly organic fruits and veggies.

I am also very thin and definitely estrogen deficient, which seems to be different from many women who have symptoms and are overweight.  Those women are generally estrogen dominant, from what I am reading.  One size fits none, right?

You can only do the best that you know.  Eventually something will raise it's ugly head to remind you that you are only human and you need to approach it with long term health in mind!  


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Ok ladies, at 54, still having heavy regular periods.  Very clotty.   I eat grass fed ground beef, but can't afford the other grass fed cuts at WF.......also use a bit of half & half.....in my teas.  This thread is interesting.   I had a stiff neck on left side for months that I think was relieved by a bit of additional magnesium, but could be related to estrogen levels....keep posting your progress Patty H!


Will do, Paula.  Maybe I should try more magnesium?  Can you enlighten me?


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Interested thread,

what is the difference between Bio-Identical Hormones and or take Fem Balance???

I was taking Vitex but I stopped because I was feeling palpitations (extrasystoles)


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fembalance has little to do with bio identicals

get a saliva hormone test
have your gino help determine which hormone replacement you need and compound an adequate cream for you.


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Thanks Lola !


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Paul, I went to a site for NaPro Technology and it didn't say anything about using this for peri-menopause or menopause.  Do you have a link you could provide that would specifically address peri-menopause?  I would be very appreciative  . . .
I don't know of any such material.  We only learned about this from shared personal testimony.  Why is it not advertised, I do not know.  Legal liability, or possibly the results may be not be consistent?

FWIW: the natural estrogens are mixed in a certain proportion.  According to the professional I spoke with, the replacement  hormones should also be mixed to mimic the natural balance.  Each one of the estrogenic hormones has a relationship with the risk of the feminine varieties of cancer.

I am not a health care provider; you need to speak with a professional who knows more about this than me.


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