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jayneeo
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flew to Arizona with a friend for a week. This friend neither ate nor slept. We drove all over in a renta car, we spent lots of time in hot tubs and pools, I got dehydrated one night, blood racing, after being in hot water all day.....now that I'm back I can;t seem to normalize my sleep, take ambien every night, feel weak all day. After reading a thread on short term adrenal exhaustion, I wondered if that is what I have. I have had adrenal ex. before....big time, but that was yrs ago when I was a vegetarian. wonder what supps I may need, wonder where the real jayneeo might be......I feel a bit more normal today than yesterday.....
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I was going to say that jet lag lasts 5 days.. I think you will be much better of without ambien.. but that is your choice.. I would rather eat something that may settle you to bed.. like in my case some rice.. or some other starch.. and NOT TO WORRY it will go away..!!..

why not write out a post on what the good parts of the trip where, including the resolution that you are grateful that you never have to go with this person again ... imagine being married to someone like that...  Ha.. I once almost wanted to.. I was saved by providence.. laugh.. it's good medicine..  


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appreciate your response, Goldie...AZ is only one time zone away....but who knows?
I don;t want to use ambien forever...but that's a slippery slope....but I was just so jangly nerved I neeeded sleep.....

Good parts: I actually went on a trip!!! (which I never do)
                   The accomodations were glorious,
                    the art and architecture were great!
                    (I lost a couple lbs..friend never ate)

I'm glad I went!    now to recover.  
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Jayneeo, try some Rescue Sleep (by Bach Flower). It helps me fall asleep, and if I wake in the middle of the night, fall back to sleep.


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Jayneeo, the fact that you were dehydrated, you still might be.  Flying causes even more dehydration and you were in a very dry climate.  If I were you, I'd be focusing on minerals/fluids.  Green drinks...trying to stay hydrated and mineralized.

It doesn't sound like adrenal exhaustion to me.  And it doesn't really sound like jet lag from one
time zone away.

It's happened to me...I wound up in the ER with severe dehydration one summer after being
on a boat and not wanting to overdo the fluids...I spent 2 hours on a drip and needed restoration of fluids/electrolytes...Took me many days to feel better.  Even a pinch of sea salt in every glass of water might be helpful.  Do you have the Blood type O minerals? I would try
that formula

Feel better.  .


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thanks, Drea, I will try it!
Chloe, I may still be dehydrated, true.....thank you!
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I don't know the solution.  Chloe's advice seems good.  Just wanted to say I hope you feel better soon, Jayneeo.  I've had exhausting trips like that before, but I was much younger and could bounce back like a rubber ball.  Now, I wouldn't go without sleeping & eating, driving all over the place.  I can't imagine I ever thought that was fun.  
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It appears the two are related.....insomnia/dehydration

http://www.insomniacs.co.uk/dehydration-insomnia.html


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Hi Jayneeo,
Speaking of trips.....
My Dad loves the Monterey Jazz festival every March so many in the family go for a long weekend. My husband and I haven't been in a few years so are looking forward to leaving tomorrow and returning Sunday. There are no direct flights from Ontario to Monterey so we always fly to San Jose, get a car and drive down to Monterey. I love the beautiful country/seaside. Looks like your weather will be ok this weekend?

I know what you mean about flying...doesn't matter where ...it makes me tired.


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have a fabulous time at the jazz festival! thats a nice drive! I hope the weathers on your side! I'll be in Berkeley at a workshop...ther's so much going on this wknd...!
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Hi Jayneeo,I know what you mean about flying...doesn't matter where ...it makes me tired.
Me too!! It doesn't seem to matter if it's in the same time zone even - something about flying so fast for even an hour or so...Oh & definitely the dehydration Hope you've recovered well by now, Jaynee

All the best for your trip too, cajun!!

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well today at the workshop I got very lightheaded and felt awful!
could be anxiety (dunno why) or dehydration....or....? so I'm staying home tomorrow and hydrating.
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As Chloe suggested you could be low in certain minerals??!! I think low magnesium (would also affect sleep) could be associated with the dizziness May be in trying to quickly rehydrate, you washed out to many minerals??!! Also in not eating properly for a while you may have upset your balance of nutrients & minerals??!
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good thoughts, Chloe and Possum. I'll start getting some cal and mag in me....for starters.
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Jayneeo...hope you feel better! The weather was fabulous until Sunday..rain.

Possum....I survived the "lag"!

Right now my hubby is in the hospital with A-fib and will be "paddled"/shocked tomorrow! I really need my sleep tonight!


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Jayneeo...hope you feel better! The weather was fabulous until Sunday..rain.

Possum....I survived the "lag"!

Right now my hubby is in the hospital with A-fib and will be "paddled"/shocked tomorrow! I really need my sleep tonight!


Oh wow, cajun...so sorry to hear about your husband's health issues. I do hope he'll be okay...
thinking good thoughts for him....and hope you're not getting too stressed out.  Best wishes.
{{{hugs}}}



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Oh, Cajun...wow, right after the jazz fest? Oh, bless him...best to you both! Keep us posted, and get some rest.
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Right now my hubby is in the hospital with A-fib and will be "paddled"/shocked tomorrow! I really need my sleep tonight!

So sorry to hear this...  I hope he recovers successfully.


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cajun,
take good care of yourself to keep strong for your hubby!
alternate nostril breathing whenever necessary, remember?
praying all goes well


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Oh no, that's too bad - Hope your Dh is ok??? Take care
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God bless you guys, thanks for the kind thoughts. No worries. I have all positive energy/prayers/faith.....
I am off to the hospital with cortiguard in my body and a smile on my face!
Just a note.....my hubby is a 6'2",(extremely stubborn/smiling eyes) mostly Irish/part Sioux, BT O+ , big-boned Hunter with the best sense of humor. He really is one tough cookie!
      


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Cajun,
Hope your DH is OK!

I got sick 2 weeks ago when I flew to Louisiana.  I'm still recovering.  I got ANOTHER sinus infection and had to go to a clinic for some Zithromax.  I still managed to give it to my son's whole family who I went down to help out when my DIL had surgery on her leg.  Went to help with my 11 mo old granddaughter.  I was supposed to have a colonoscopy today that I canceled because I'm still not feeling well.

I've been dehydrated too.  I tried the neti pot for the sinuses but this time it didn't work and dried me out too much and all I'm left with is a salty taste in my mouth and a drip.....
This too shall pass - didn't mean to hijack this thread.  Hope all is well.
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hey, Jane, you are welcome on this thread! Keep up the liquids and get well soon!
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Finally feeling a little better.
Cajun,
How's your husband???
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Oh Jane! I hope you recover soon!  Thank you for the kind thoughts, also.

My DH had the cardi verse/"shock" of 200 jules(?)  It didn't last one day. His cardiologist put him on 3 meds, will shock again on thursday, will do an angiogram, will send DH to sleep apnea clinic (He believes this contributed to the Atrial -fib) and last resort will be a pacemaker.
My nasal polyp and turbinate removal/sinus cavities scraped surgery is March 31.
All of this will be done by April 1 because our insurance deductable goes from 500 to 2000! I think we are about to be very busy.

Keeping the faith!


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OMG Cajun.  You'll both be in my thoughts and prayers....so much to go through this month.  Hope the shock gets your DH back in a normal rhythm and that your sinus surgery is successful.  I believe that's something that our PT went through many years ago.

Deductibles - what a pain.  I had that a few years ago - a $2000 deductible the year I tore my ACL skiing.  

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Jayneeo, how are you feeling?


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That not being able to sleep thing is just awful....I had a couple of nights of that when I was sick.  Things better now.  Hope you are better Jayneeo.  
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Cajun: take care of yourself and your hubby.  I wish the best for you both.

Jayneeo:  I travel 2 or 3 weeks out of every 4 for business.  I carry water everywhere with me.  I have a Bobble with a filter that I can refill from drinking fountains & hotel rooms.  So I have to stop to pee a bit more, it is worth it to keep hydrated.


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Thanks to all for the sweet thoughts...
Jayneeo, sending hugs
Jane, you, too!
Red Lilac, appreciate it!
Chloe, so sad I am not a full blown teacher anymore


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R.L., Jane, cajun, and Chloe! Thanks! You guys are so thoughtful!

First I want to say, Cajun,...our thoughts are with you and your hubby! A lot to go through all at once. Hope you both do well!

I don't have the lightheadedness anymore, but I am having a lot of sleep problems...we'll see if eliminating coffee helps.
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flew to Arizona with a friend for a week. This friend neither ate nor slept. We drove all over in a renta car, we spent lots of time in hot tubs and pools, I got dehydrated one night, blood racing, after being in hot water all day.....now that I'm back I can;t seem to normalize my sleep, take ambien every night, feel weak all day. After reading a thread on short term adrenal exhaustion, I wondered if that is what I have. I have had adrenal ex. before....big time, but that was yrs ago when I was a vegetarian. wonder what supps I may need, wonder where the real jayneeo might be......I feel a bit more normal today than yesterday.....

Whoa, whoa, whoooooa, little doggie:

1.  Get OFF the Ambien, and that is a direct order (issued with love!).
2.  Get ON CoQ10, a marvelous "ubiquitone" that does SO much--too much for me to list at the present juncture--not the least of which is that it energizes you on a deep, cellular level.  It also, for me, helps normalize my sleep-wake cycle/cirrcadian (I am never at all sure how to spell that, but just pretend I spelled it right) rhythm.  It is awesome, excellent stuff.  Get you some and, as Dr. D once posted or blogged or somehow expressed to the world (and by "world", I of course mean, us here--aren't we the world?  Cue music:  We are the world, we are the BTD/GTD community!), be sure to take it with a meal that contains at least some FAT, as CoQ10 needs fat to properly absorb.
3.  For the next week or so, be sure to drink enough WATER, force yourself to lie there in bed and try to sleep even if you can't, get enough exercise, and eat as optimally as possible (super bennies to the rescue!).
4.  Nutritional yeast!  It has B vitamins, doncha know!

The CoQ10 is very important, me thinks.

End of PT's prescription!  I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV.  ...Or, I would, if anyone would pay me to!  


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P.S.  It wouldn't hurt you to mainline some Vitamin C also, considering you were breathing recycled air in planes and traveling hither and thither.  Some Proberry Caps are definitely in order, too!

End of P.S. to PT's prescription.


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Oh Jane! I hope you recover soon!  Thank you for the kind thoughts, also.

My DH had the cardi verse/"shock" of 200 jules(?)  It didn't last one day. His cardiologist put him on 3 meds, will shock again on thursday, will do an angiogram, will send DH to sleep apnea clinic (He believes this contributed to the Atrial -fib) and last resort will be a pacemaker.
My nasal polyp and turbinate removal/sinus cavities scraped surgery is March 31.
All of this will be done by April 1 because our insurance deductable goes from 500 to 2000! I think we are about to be very busy.

Keeping the faith!

WHOOOOOOOOA:  WHY are they removing your nasal turbinates?  This was done to me without my knowledge years ago (when I was 15) during a surgery and my understanding is that it is not recommended, as you need your nasal turbinates for proper humidification of your nose (that is a direct quote from the incensed ENT who examined my nose years later in 1993 and first informed me of my turbinate-free status--he was very upset that this had been done to me...then again, he was upset about the total picture of what he saw had been done to me, it is hard to say exactly how much of his upsetness was due to the removal of the turbinates, but when he told me they were taken out, he seemed clearly upset and angry, and he said, quote, "...and I don't know why he did that!  You need those for proper humidification of your nose!").  You also need them to filter out toxins and bad guys/invaders.  You need what nature gave you.  Can't they remove the polyps and leave your turbinates intact?  Are they "removing" the turbinates or "reducing" them?  Apparently, the latter isn't as Draconian and bad as the former.  Again, total removal is apparently rarely done anymore precisely because doctors now know that we actually need 'em.  Mind you, I don't know your situation and, if there is a pressing/good reason why they are being removed, then okay, but I just had to ask because, and I speak from experience here, if it is not really necessary to remove the nasal turbinates, don't do it.





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P.T. thanks for your thoughts!!! My chiro said the same thing in more explicit language: "Get off the g.d. Ambien!"
Will try to, and I do have CoQ10, will try that . Thank you!
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P.T. thanks for your thoughts!!! My chiro said the same thing in more explicit language: "Get off the g.d. Ambien!"
Will try to, and I do have CoQ10, will try that . Thank you!

Good girl!  I think the CoQ10 will really help you.  It is wonderful stuff--energizing yet calming, all at the same time.  The calming is a sort of mood lifting.  Maaaahvelous.  Gotta go!


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Jayneeo, thanks for the kind thoughts. I wish you wonderful sleep filled nights. We all certainly benefit much more than we realize from deep, unbroken sleep.

PT, they are reducing my turbinates..again, as I had this surgery 2 years ago.
We have 3 in each nostril ,according to my ENT. One in each of my nostrils was already reduced due to inflammation from environmental allergies..basically excessive humidity, mold, and dust. They have been swelling so much my total nostril breathing is blocked...also because of multiple polyps and every sinus cavity is filled with fluid, not air like they're supposed to be. Yeah, breathing through my mouth... only... for almost one year is so old now!
I keep hoping my swami diet will eventually keep these nasty polyps from returning. My ENT even said this all has more to do with my immune system than with allergies. I believe it is at least equal.


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PT, they are reducing my turbinates..again, as I had this surgery 2 years ago.
We have 3 in each nostril ,according to my ENT. One in each of my nostrils was already reduced due to inflammation from environmental allergies..basically excessive humidity, mold, and dust. They have been swelling so much my total nostril breathing is blocked...also because of multiple polyps and every sinus cavity is filled with fluid, not air like they're supposed to be. Yeah, breathing through my mouth... only... for almost one year is so old now!
I keep hoping my swami diet will eventually keep these nasty polyps from returning. My ENT even said this all has more to do with my immune system than with allergies. I believe it is at least equal.

Mine were apparently completely removed at the tender age of 15, per an ENT who informed me of this many years later upon examining me.  He was clearly mad about it, that it had been done, among other things he found that shocked him (and me, of course...although I always kind of knew I'd been butchered, he just confirmed it).  I'm glad yours aren't being totally removed (edited to add:  I'm also glad that an ENT is doing this surgery, not a plastic surgeon or any other kind of doctor--memo to all:  NEVER let a plastic surgeon TOUCH your nose, they don't concern themselves with the functionality of it, and that is yet another quote from another ENT.  ENTs are about the function).  Your customized, healthy diet should really help you and, hopefully, this will be your last surgery.  My best wishes to you!  


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Thank you, PT!
Sorry you had to go through all that!
How are your sinuses now?


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