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Amazone I.
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hi overthere  

I'm more then   at this very moment... got a phonecall from a cancer patient of mine and he raported that he got a phonecall from his oncologist telling him instead of shrinking of the l.-metastasis.... they are doing justamente the contrary....he uses the bt-anticancerprograms for BtO Rh-
gatherer, he's under oral chemo & iv & takes 8'000 units of salvestroles daily &
the recommended supps of the bt-programs..... and now this... I feel his pain and I also expected the contrary.....

any thoughts or advices would help my psyche enormously....


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I have no advice, but I'm so sorry.     Giving you a (((hug))).  It must be very difficult to be in the healing profession sometimes.  I hope things will turn around for your patient.
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Hi Isa,

No advice either. Just sending you some   . You have a very hard profession.

The oral chemo attracted my attention. I hope is works for people but it did not do anything to my aunt. She died on Sunday of a brain tumor and the chemo did absolutely nothing to her. The tumor kept growing.

Best wishes,
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Isa,
((((Hugs)))
Remember, it is not your fault!
The liver is the seat of anger and primitive emotions, and cancer is related to resentment (according to Louise Hay). If your patient has deep-seated anger and resentment, he needs to be working on those issues to make the healing complete.
((((Hugs)))) again!


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ISA.. love to you..love to the client and a reminder to read the big book.. possibly some answers there.  

Getting over the shock is a big thing and NOT taking it on as your dissapointment is most important. please allow it not to fester inside of you.. if the drums are there then drumm away and ask the client to come and do it with you as a therapy of frequencies and vibrations and to losen up emotional whatever.

A person who had been in therapy all of 50 years with no results, just getting from here to there but never expressed a shocking truth to anyone. a truth that was (as is typical) the exact opposite of what was truth.. truth is on important thing to the whole body.. IF te person can repeat what bothers him the most, and then look for the EXACT opposite.. there is often a big discovery there..

USE this also for you and the sorrow you feel.. like allow big laughter even if it is only in your own place all by yourself..

all the best to all your surroundings.. and to you..

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Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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who cooks for him???
design an easy to follow meal plan with his cancer diamonds as well......
in conjunction with protocols and sups....


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Loading up on the cancer-fighting diamonds if a Swami is not possible does seem to be the best way to go.  

You are fighting a battle where the amount you win is not clearly known - that is a hard road to travel.  It could well be that the client might have already died without your work.

Try hard, be optimistic, and remember that the outcome of your actions are not a judgement upon you.  If you are already trying too hard, maybe the therapist herself needs a prescription of good food, wine, and dancing.  


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you are giving your patient all the support you can....that's whats important. blessings to both of you.
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hi overthere  
I'm more then   at this very moment... got a phonecall from a cancer patient of mine and he raported that he got a phonecall from his oncologist telling him instead of shrinking of the l.-metastasis.... they are doing justamente the contrary....he uses the bt-anticancerprograms for BtO Rh-)


He has to have his mind step in now. It's up to his mind to heal his body. He's doing all he can with the food department.  I read of a guy who had liver cancer. Doctor gave him 2 months to live. He decided he wasn't ready to die. The patient started visualization for 2 hours every day... the antibodies in his body..as dragons... swooping down and destroying the cancer cells in his liver. Visualizing the destruction of the cancer and being replaced by healthy cells. He went back to the doctor in 2 months time and they tested him. There was no trace of cancer ever being there.  The power of the mind.  He needs to believe....
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hello folks thank you for kind replies and yup I nearly did all together with him to establish the menuelists, dito the right supps etc..... but he has problems to change his mind/psyche pattersn, he still ist the angry overlaoded one- and he nearly seems not to be able to change anything here.... so far that he's also on antidepressants... and I think all those chemical bombes are harming muchmore then expected.... I also tried to work with him onto the Louise Hay booklets etc... but nothing to do here, his *self-approch* seems to be disturbed.... but I'm going to
give another try and will talk about your suggestions with him... thanx again


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Some people come to be humans to learn a new way of life.  Some learneonly when things get tough.  some learn by education from others.. but the soul makes it's own journey and it leaves here when the fight is done..

some fight phanthoms and windmills other see the windmill as the wheel of life and still others see it as a place to reach for.. so much of what we come here for to learn or experience is  as important is is life it self..

all the best.. Goldie..  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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As the daughter of an oncologist and myself just saved just in time from a melanoma through a surgery of 2 inches nearly 5 cm on my left wrist, I wonder if we have to learn something. The children with cancer are a direct question if there is any fair play or Righteousness in this world, how could a superior being allow it ? I saw them in my father's unit when I was 12, I was raised as a Roman catholic, but I have serious doubt that all this could have a meaning. An important oncologist's lesson is none is allmighty. Isa sometimes people or situations cannot be changed or helped ! A big hug and a kiss, you have done the best. To live is to have an expiring date, we do not know often when, but nobody goes out of here alive as Jim Morrison quoted by Dr D.


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He has to have his mind step in now. It's up to his mind to heal his body. He's doing all he can with the food department.  I read of a guy who had liver cancer. Doctor gave him 2 months to live. He decided he wasn't ready to die. The patient started visualization for 2 hours every day... the antibodies in his body..as dragons... swooping down and destroying the cancer cells in his liver. Visualizing the destruction of the cancer and being replaced by healthy cells. He went back to the doctor in 2 months time and they tested him. There was no trace of cancer ever being there.  The power of the mind.  He needs to believe....




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MariaGiovvanna, you said it well!  
If we have a better attitude will we never die? not how it works.....we do all we can and the rest is up to ....whatever one believes in.
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Quoted from Amazone I.
..... but he has problems to change his mind/psyche pattersn, he still ist the angry overlaoded one- and he nearly seems not to be able to change anything here.... so far that he's also on antidepressants... and I think all those chemical bombes are harming muchmore then expected.... I also tried to work with him onto the Louise Hay booklets etc... but nothing to do here, his *self-approch* seems to be disturbed.... but I'm going to
give another try and will talk about your suggestions with him... thanx again

Maybe the Bach Flower Remedies would be appropriate if he is not willing to consider a change in his own mind.  
Willow -- self pity, victim
Holly -- resentment, anger
White Chestnut -- absorbed in the same thought pattern over and over

or others . .

http://www.bachflower.com/38_Essences.htm



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Let me not pass you by in quest
of some rare and perfect tomorrow.
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Quoted from Victoria

Maybe the Bach Flower Remedies would be appropriate if he is not willing to consider a change in his own mind.  
Willow -- self pity, victim
Holly -- resentment, anger
White Chestnut -- absorbed in the same thought pattern over and over

or others . .

http://www.bachflower.com/38_Essences.htm
They clear the mind and help in turning receptive. They are spiritual purging agents! Work like 'cleaning the stables'.

Vine - for letting go of domineering
Chestnut Bud - for people who keep repeating the same errors and seem not to learn from experience




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hello all my dear friends   thank you all so much for your kind sustain...

I'm working nearly 16 years on that man right now, tried all out, Bachflowers and and and...   he got his diagnosis 2 years ago... doc. told us he'll going to die whithin days... perhaps weeks... but you see he's still there but now I am really  
I think yup it's a mix bewteen all and expressis verbis all about our so called *belief system*  and here he can't cope coz of being broken long ago.

He thinks the more and harder he's going with chemo therapy... the better it will be... but now after such a long time and nearly of chemo's by pillies or infusions, his tumormarkers went up to 4000.... since a while I asked him to augment salvestroles to the highest of possible units but also here no reaction....

Ambivalence is one of the most negative issues here and then I think I'm going to stop coz once upon the times he will blame my interactions as not that fruitfull even will/might worsen his case or disturbing the chemical bombes interactions   ahem yup this was the mail he sended me today without any comment but a assumption....hmmm ....


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look into bicarb of soda and cancer too.


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Big hug to you.  Re: emotions. Just like the horse you can lead to water, you can be giving all the right advice but it may be falling on deaf ears.  Maybe he could try watching lots of comedy and laughing alot.  Heard of someone who cured themselves of cancer that way!  Even if not, it's a good way to go out laughing!  


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It's a good way to live life, too!  


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It's so tough being a medical provider, isn' it?  Such ups and downs with your patients and you care for them so much.  I'm sending blessings to you, Isa.
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he's going to receive antibody & chemo therapy  today....
receives antibiotics and other stuffs, amazing what a nearly non-working liver shall
take  ..........docs seem to be highly interested.....in what...$$$$$ while such a therapy is between 20 and 60'000 Swiss Francs.... .....


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don't go down that road of what if.. not needed.. you did what (god) gave you to work with the rest is up to the same (god) or it is just another way of saying take care of you.. in th end we are responsible for you (and me) .. we can treat our body as a temple and poor in all sort of stuff hoping for the best, or we take the bothersome responsibility to prepare for every possibility..

ONE lie I no longer belive is that we can achieve everything we set out , if we just believe.. it explitive here.  we can do some things and the best we can do for some is just agree with what they know as that may be the only time someone listened without judgement.. this can be you, a good listener or at least learning HOW to listen,.. PERFECTION.

I feel guilty have not taken time to write .. but soon I will make time..   

  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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