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I just got back from the doctor.  Despite all my efforts, my blood pressure has not gone down.  After a serious discussion with my doctor, taking into account my family history of heart disease, we decided I should go on medication.  She put me on Hydrochlorothiazide.  

I am really upset.  I have always tried to do everything without medication, but I cannot run the risk of having a heart attack or stroke.

We agreed to look at it at my next appointment to see if my diet and exercise program is helping and maybe I can go off the med, but for now I need to be safe.  Any thoughts about things I should do?  She did recommend I see a naturopath, which I am going to do.


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What was your B/P?


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BP medication cannot always be avoided.  HCTZ is a diuretic. If it succeeds you should be able to do the same thing via diet and including natural diuretics like dandelion.
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What was your B/P?


154/100

Also, I do not have most of the risk factors for high blood pressure, except for family history.


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Thanks, Tom.  I am waiting for my Rebounder.  I have a SERIOUS amount of stress in my life lately and am in peri-menopause and am not sleeping.  I am working on that, too.


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go get an encyclopedia and follow the protocols for hypertension asap
meanwhile follow the cardio and antistress protocols


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Patty I measure as 240/160 if I go off my medication.

Use the medication to counter the immediate effects of the blood pressure, but use the dietary resources to counter the cause.


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BP medication cannot always be avoided.  HCTZ is a diuretic. If it succeeds you should be able to do the same thing via diet and including natural diuretics like dandelion.


I would agree with this 100%. I had stress induced high BP at one time and this medication can be used to buy time without doing any particular damage.

HCTZ is not a heart medication in the true sense of the word as it reduces blood volume and thus the stress on the heart rather than interact with the heart processes as such. In any case if you can reduce stress and maintain a good food/exercise regimen you can return to a stable norm.

Also: Might be an idea to curb your intake of salt as much as possible. It is a known instigator of high BP and is vastly overconsumed in this society. Having high BP opened a window of vulnerability for me that I never knew I had and being on salt watch is a benefit I derived from it.






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go get an encyclopedia and follow the protocols for hypertension asap
meanwhile follow the cardio and antistress protocols


You can get the protocols here. Go up to the Online Support tab and click on the health protocols in the drop down menu. I'd get the encyclopedia also, but this way you can start on the protocols without waiting to get the book.



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Lack of calcium in the diet can also increase BP in some people, so make sure you are getting adequate sources of calcium in your diet.



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also make sure you add a pinch of sea salt into your water intake

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curb your intake of salt as much as possible.


pls learn about the big differences between table salt, amply used, with dextrose content and sea salt......


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precisely what I meant by meanwhile
meaning while she gets a hold of an encyclopedia


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My husband is an O, and a 6'2" large boned man. He has been on blood pressure meds for a few years. I finally convinced him to get more exercise, not add salt to his food(I cook only with sea salt)and eat smaller portions. He lost 20 pounds and his BP went down enough to go off the medication. Its been 4 months and he is doing well. The Dr. warned him though, about sleep apnea, which will do harm to his heart! He is working on that!
Good luck to you.  


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Quoted from Lola
go get an encyclopedia and follow the protocols for hypertension asap
meanwhile follow the cardio and antistress protocols


Thank you everyone for your kind advice and support.  After much contemplation and research and at my doctor's advice, I have decided to go to one of the local ND's recommended on Dr. D's website.

I do have the Encyclopedia and the Cardio book and the Menopause book.  Personally, I believe that this is all hormone driven since these issues arrived within a year of the onset of peri-menopause.  Maybe I am wrong, but lets face it - our hormones regulate everything.  Instead of me trying to follow the advice for Hypertension, Cardiovascular Disease and Menopause, plus the supplements recommended by my hormone specialist and my cardiologist, it is time to find another member of the team . . . someone who is familiar with Dr. D's work yet is local.  This way I can see them as often as needed and they can be a part of my medical team.  My family history is too significant for me to try and play at deciding what supplements to include and what to leave out.

By the way, I LOVE salt and have switched to sea salt.  Maybe I need to cut that out for a while?


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ask the doctor you are seeing, perhaps, like me, he advocates sea salt....follow his advice


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Good luck Patty. Sounds like a great decision. Keep us posted!


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Who are you seeing?

Might consider getting to UB then seeing a local ND for follow-up.


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How compliant are you? Even "tiny amounts" of avoids can set off large reactions in some people. Many of us have certain "trigger foods" that we can't have even in trace amounts, while other "avoids" may not be so problematic.

If you've been 99% compliant, that other 1% could be contributing to your hypertension. For many healthy people, 70% compliance is enough, but you may need to be more cautious while dealing with a specific medical issue. If corn is a "trigger food" for you, then you may need to cut out ALL processed foods, iodized salt, and be careful of "inert" ingredients in supplements.

If you decide to cut back on salt, remember that you still need some salt in your diet. Many medical professionals recommend staying below 2,000 mg per day, which is about 1 teaspoon a day. You don't need to completely cut out salt. to be on a low-sodium diet.


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Who are you seeing?

Might consider getting to UB then seeing a local ND for follow-up.


Dr. Emily Chan in Cambridge, MA.  I found her on Dr. D's website.  

I considered going to Wilton or UB, but Wilton has a very long wait list and there is no guarantee, according to the UB website, that Dr. D will be there.  UB is about a 2 1/2 to 3 hour drive each way.


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How compliant are you? Even "tiny amounts" of avoids can set off large reactions in some people. Many of us have certain "trigger foods" that we can't have even in trace amounts, while other "avoids" may not be so problematic.

If you've been 99% compliant, that other 1% could be contributing to your hypertension. For many healthy people, 70% compliance is enough, but you may need to be more cautious while dealing with a specific medical issue. If corn is a "trigger food" for you, then you may need to cut out ALL processed foods, iodized salt, and be careful of "inert" ingredients in supplements.

If you decide to cut back on salt, remember that you still need some salt in your diet. Many medical professionals recommend staying below 2,000 mg per day, which is about 1 teaspoon a day. You don't need to completely cut out salt. to be on a low-sodium diet.


I am compliant more than not.  I would not want to put a percentage on it.  I read all the labels and when I cheat it is usually with dairy rather than wheat or corn.  I eat very few processed foods, so I know I don't get much salt from my diet that way.  I pretty much make everything from scratch.

Again, I really think I need to get my hormonal swings in order, get more exercise, and keep up with the diet.  I firmly believe most of this is because of the terrible peri-menopause symptoms I am dealing with right now.  When you don't sleep because you are waking up all night long due to the night sweats, imagine what kind of impact that has on everything else.  This is my first order of business - to figure out how to stabalize my hormones!

I just got my new rebounder in the mail today and am looking forward to getting started tomorrow!


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Had to go to the doctor today.  Went to see about a pain in the arm and found my blood pressure was back up.  Not surprising since I was REALLy "badder" than I've been in a long time on a trip last weekend. But I digress...
She prescribed Hydroclorothiazide for my blood pressure and didn't see a lot of side effects but I don't like taking prescriptions...any body know what this is and does besides get the water out?
By the way - they did an EKG and it was okay so the arm pain may just be tension from where I usually carry it in my tight muscles in my shoulders.  They drew blood as well for other tests but, of course, nothings conclusive until all that comes back.
Also - my eye is doing great from using the Manuka honey (had an infection).  Just need to continue with warm compresses to finish clearing it up.
So what about that Hydro stuff? Who's got the 411 on that?     Thanks!
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I was just put on it too, on 2/15/11, so would love to hear what you have to say.  I think I posted this earlier but lets have a go at it again.

I am working to try and get off of it . . .


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no need for two threads floating around on the same

Hydrochlorothiazide


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OMG Lola! You are the bomb! Thank you for all the information and rounding up my concern into this particular forum.  I'm not so worried about it now.  I was wondering why, after all this time, could one weekend of bad habits trigger th BP? Evidently. And I have been using sea salt in my cooking and I've been okay - it must have been that other salt c**p I was consuming.  

They also corralled me into the Spanish inquisitional mammogram that I've been running from, as well as the pap smear "rip a piece of cervix off" exam. And TETANUS shots!  Made the appointments but don't want to keep them.  Am I stupid? I just don't think its necessary!
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a pap smear won t rip anything off......just do it periodically, it saves lifes


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Patty, I want to add something to what Tom's blog says.  When your blood pressure goes up, that could also mean that your body is having a hard time getting blood to someplace that it is essential for it to go in large quantities.  Congestion in the kidneys and liver are often root causes.

Hormones can certainly play a part, and I have a story to tell you about that.  I have a friend whose BP went through the roof soon after she got pregnant.  Of course pregnancy does all kinds of crazy things to hormones!  It eventually came to light that she had HUGE kidney stones -- measured in cm not mm .  Such large stones had to form very quickly according to the Drs., which points to their formation coinciding with her pregnancy.  I'm guessing that something about the way her body handled minerals changed because of the change in her hormones, so that those minerals started accumulating in her kidneys.

So the kidney is a great place to look.  It is a blood filter, and if there is anything obstructing the flow of blood through it, your body will increase the pressure to force blood through.  The same is true of the liver, but the liver would be congested for other reasons, such as obesity (fatty liver), cirrhosis, or some other kind of damage.

FWIW, hope that helps!
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Hi Lola -

I didn't think the pap smear would do that (because I've had a regular pap), but a part of my exam is just that - you might know what the procedure is called-but she does snip a small piece of the cervix. Is that part of the pap?

And TJ - I'm wondering if that was ever the issue with my high blood pressure; the fact that I'm an Explorer and perhaps its a liver issue (needing to follow the Explorer detox process & other such protocols) - since the doctors have always told me they could not pinpoint what was causing my high blood pressure.   ?
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Oh yes - any opinions on the mammo and tetanus?
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examination under the microscope of cells scraped from the tip of the cervix.

http://www.righthealth.com/topic/what_is_pap_test#ixzz1FhihrRBR


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Hi Lola -
I didn't think the pap smear would do that (because I've had a regular pap), but a part of my exam is just that - you might know what the procedure is called-but she does snip a small piece   ?


that sounds like a biopsy.. what would be the reason for this / your history?
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No - I have no such history of ANYthing...well, unless fibroids would prompt this.  This makes me wonder - are they performing unnecessary procedures for me...

Hey! Speaking of possible unnecessary procedures ... what about that tetanus shot and mammogram they keep hounding about?
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No - I have no such history of ANYthing...well, unless fibroids would prompt this.  This makes me wonder - are they performing unnecessary procedures for me...

Hey! Speaking of possible unnecessary procedures ... what about that tetanus shot and mammogram they keep hounding about?


I would get them both, but that is just me.  Tetanus can kill you.   It's not something you can always control, either.  Stepping on a rusty nail can cause tetanus.

And the mammogram?  Yes - they save lives.  I think it is important to strike a balance between traditional medicine and natural health care!  


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Desiree,

B nonnie explorer here.  Tetnus shot after I stepped on a rusty nail. The shot nearly killed me.  I won't be having another one.  Somewhere in one of the books, Dr D said B's react worse to vaccines than others.  I heard all of my life from my mother that I always had the most severe reaction as a kid than any of the other 7.  I was the only B.  

I don't get mammograms.  That is a decision you will have to make for yourself.  I also don't get pap smears or uterine biopsies anymore.  My new-ish gyn, who has practiced for over 35 yrs told me that the fibroid and polyp that I have will probably be there when I die at 100, never having caused any problem. I have no symptoms from them.  

I would not advise anyone else to do what I do, though.  You need to make your own desicion about what to have done to your body.  I may change my mind down the road and have the, once advised, d&c or whatever it was they wanted to do to me about 5 yrs ago, too, so don't go by me or anyone else.  
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Thank you for the input.  I don't just blindly follow anyone - I do, however, like to get opinions and hear of others experiences and make my own decisions. I will learn along the way whether my choices were wise or not - and so glad they are MY choices...so no one is at fault but me if I hit a rusty nail and have not had my tetanus!  I just have never had such a place to come with such good information and opinion, skill and experience to allow me to take a look at various subject matters from different experiences and perspectives - its like a pot of gold!  Western medicine can be great! But I like to have options. If I can do it I prefer less invasive treatments if I need treatment at all. I prefer to modify my diet as Dr. D has so wonderfully laid out.  There are some things I intuitively know are good for me~and there are things I'm not so sure if I'm being so fanatical about the holistics that I could neglect something I should not.  Coming here helps me decide for myself what may work for ME.  So again, I thank you all - like I said "pot of gold!
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Thank you for the input.  I don't just blindly follow anyone -  


I am sure you don't.  You are a B   I try to put that disclaimer in everything.  

Like you, I like to get input and make my own decisions always hoping that they are with knowledge.  I have had good experiences before when getting a second opinion from a more experienced physician.  I like the watch and see approach for the most part.  I also don't like to do anything from fear.  If I am being pressured to get this exam, biopsy, scan and I begin to feel fear, I wait, look into the problem and then proceed.  

My husband had cancer several years ago.  He lives with some very nasty side effects from treatments he had that weren't absolutely manditory.  He had head and neck cancer, the same thing Michael Douglas has just been treated for, was told to have as many teeth pulled as the oncology dentist advised because he could not have them pulled after radiation without dire consequences.  He did not want to have the only one pulled that they recommended, a wisdom tooth, but because he was motivated by fear, he did it anyway.  He got an infection in the jaw bone which caused him to become septic.  He nearly died from that infection.  He was on a feeding tube for 5 months, IV's at home for 2 months, several surgeries to remove jaw bone, trismus, inability to swallow, destroyed saliva glands and taste buds (the last three of which can come from radiation alone, but could have been alleviated somewhat if he had been more healthy recovering), and more.  

I ramble.  Didn't mean to go into all of that. I am not against medicine.  I love all of my doctors and my husband's doctors.  All of his cancer doctors were wonderful.  He just should have gone with his gut feeling and not had the tooth pulled.  And they should have listened to him the first time when he told them there was something wrong with it.  

Rambling again.

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You have every right to decline medical treatment or tests that your doctor orders. You don't *have to* have a mammogram and/or a tetanus/pertussis/diptheria vaccine (it's NOT just a shot against tetanus!!) if you feel that the risks outweigh the benefits for your personal situation.

I'm personally not convinced that mammograms are safe. X rays have been proven to cause cancer- so why regularly expose a body part to radiation to look for cancer? It just makes no sense.

I did have a "baseline" mammogram last year, when my aunt was diagnosed with breast cancer, primarily because my Mom was harping on me about it and I didn't want to lie to her. But I don't intend to ever have another "routine" mammogram. If I find a lump on a manual exam, I'll bring it to my dr's attention and consider additional lab tests at that time. If another mamogram is needed, we'll have my baseline mammogram to compare it to. Otherwise, I'm not radiating my breasts again. When my PCP asks about it, I tell her I'll talk to my GYN about it, and I tell my GYN I'll discuss it with my PCP.

I'm pretty anti-vaccine in general these days.  I had a pretty bad reaction to my last tetanus booster- my arm was in pain for nearly a week, and I was diagnosed wtih fibromyalgia a few months later. I've researched tetanus and don't feel that I'm currently in any real risk of contracting it. Diptheria is so rare I've yet to hear of a recent case (so I'm not worried about contracting it) and I'm not scared of Pertussis. I recently nursed DD1 through that disease,  and didn't catch it.

I do go for my regular PAP smears, as IMO they're uncomfortable but harmless (this is the test where they rub a giant q-tip on the cervix, removing just a few surface cells.) If your doctor is recomending a surgical procedure where they actually cut out a small piece of your cervix, ask why. That is NOT a routine test, so either you're misunderstanding what the PAP smear is, or they found something on your PAP smear and they want to investigate it further. If this is the case, you need to do more research on your own condition- how they would treat it, if the results of the biopsy would affect treatment options, etc.

As for  blood pressure medicine- again, you need to research. Just how high was your blood pressure? Did you sustain that high reading for a long time, or was the medicine prescribed based on a single reading? The very first thing to do is increase compliance (and possibly add in some heart-strengthening supplements) and get your blood pressure re-checked in a few weeks or months, then consider medication if it's still high. This may not be a practical option if your blood pressure is dangerously high, but it worked for me when it was "borderline high."


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Maukik: I am you/you are me...individually, of course   Because of what doctors have done, or not done I declined into poor health. Blessing in disguise, I guess.  It led me to the BTD/GTD & SWAMI.  I ramble too...is that a B thing?

Ruthie: My BP has not been consistently high since I've followed the GTD/SWAMI; just went up recently - I've been falling off the wagon on a few recent weekend trips so I don't know if this was a contributing factor. I've found I need not to be a renegade when it comes to my diet.  My disposition does not forgive easily when I over indulge.  

That PAP smear + biopsy procedure? They never told me why - the first time was she "wanted to be sure"; then she kept doing it at all PAP smear appointments without explanation - I figured this was normal/routine.  Then my, hey! wait a minute! reactor lit up.  I sometimes fear what the HMO's do - especially after some questionable things have happened to me at the hand of one of the doctor's in this organization.  Too long and personal and controversial to explain.  

And yes, they are hounding me like used car salesmen, to get these things done I prefer not to have done.  I was just there (for BP) and they just handed me a paper telling me when my appointments are. Very pushy - but I guess they mean well.  Now I get to experience their alarmist phone calls when I don't keep my appointments.  I'll follow up with my BP but they can have the other tests.  I DO WHAT I WANT!!
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Desiree- you might want to switch to another health care provider if your current one is so disrespectful.  Your GYN should talk to you about the kind of testing you get done at routine appointments, and if he or she won't, then it's time to find a new GYN. And the office staff shouldn't be making appointments like that. Maybe they think they're being helpful, but you still have the right to NOT make the appointments or to cancell them after they've been made. Yes, you also have the right to simply not show up for tests, but IMO it's nicer to the office staff if you call to cancel ahead of time.

I'm encouraged to get certain tests, but I still need to set up my own appointments, and I always call to cancel if I've decided not to do something. I've worked in a medical office, and it does create extra hassle for us when patients just  don't show up. The people inconvenienced because you didn't show up (and their other appointment could have come earlier so they could all go home earlier) aren't the ones who made the appointments for you without your consent.


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Very true.  Duly noted. I can cancel on-line as well.  
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When taking Hydrochlorothiazide is there a need to supplement with potassium? If so, is there a particular "type" of potassium to look for?
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pls ask the Dr prescribing these, to guide you and help you make the right choices


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I could do that, except, for example, if I needed iron supplements they would tell me to take ferrous sulfate, which I would not do.  I'm not sure of the various "potassiums" there are out there. Are there synthetics?  
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Thank you very much. Good resources.  Common sense, huh?   
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When taking Hydrochlorothiazide is there a need to supplement with potassium? If so, is there a particular "type" of potassium to look for?


I just started Hydrochlorothiazide in February.  My doctor told me to eat bananas and other foods rich in potassium.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0000714/

This link should give you some info.  You can also talk to the pharmacist.


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When taking Hydrochlorothiazide is there a need to supplement with potassium? If so, is there a particular "type" of potassium to look for?


I was prescribed this once and told to eat an extra Banana a day. Anyhow the idea is to increase your Potassium intake a little.








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Patty, I want to add something to what Tom's blog says.  When your blood pressure goes up, that could also mean that your body is having a hard time getting blood to someplace that it is essential for it to go in large quantities.  Congestion in the kidneys and liver are often root causes.

Hormones can certainly play a part, and I have a story to tell you about that.  I have a friend whose BP went through the roof soon after she got pregnant.  Of course pregnancy does all kinds of crazy things to hormones!  It eventually came to light that she had HUGE kidney stones -- measured in cm not mm .  Such large stones had to form very quickly according to the Drs., which points to their formation coinciding with her pregnancy.  I'm guessing that something about the way her body handled minerals changed because of the change in her hormones, so that those minerals started accumulating in her kidneys.

So the kidney is a great place to look.  It is a blood filter, and if there is anything obstructing the flow of blood through it, your body will increase the pressure to force blood through.  The same is true of the liver, but the liver would be congested for other reasons, such as obesity (fatty liver), cirrhosis, or some other kind of damage.

FWIW, hope that helps!


TJ, how do I check this?


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OK, so I am REALLY UPSET.  My OB/GYN did blood tests, including my C-Reactive Protein Cardio.  It had been down to 1.1 on the last test from 3.9 in September.  Last week it tested at 3.3, which puts me BACK in the HIGH RISK CATEGORY FOR HEART DISEASE.   Any reason why this would come down so dramatically and then shoot back up in such a short period of time?

I have been really good about following the diet.  In fact, I have focused more on eating fish than meat, which is what my SWAMI indicated.  It seems that my CRP was lower when I was eating more meat and less fish   . . . HELP!


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Not to beat a dead horse...that ain't dead yet...but, why would not a more holistic diuretic be just as beneficial as the Hydrochlorothiazide that's been prescribed? I read not only might I be concerned with the potassium, but also calcium excretion.  Just askin'! I don't know!  Does the "zide" do more than perform diuretic acts of kindness?
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TJ, how do I check this?

Good question.  My friend's kidney stones were discovered (by accident) during an X-ray following a car wreck.  Her Drs. had looked almost everywhere EXCEPT the kidneys before then.   Modern medicine...  But the kidney stones may be a moot point: read on!


Disclaimer: I am not a medical or naturopathic doctor!  I've just done a lot of reading and research.  Everything I say below is purely speculation!  Use at your own risk.
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OK, so I am REALLY UPSET.  My OB/GYN did blood tests, including my C-Reactive Protein Cardio.  It had been down to 1.1 on the last test from 3.9 in September.  Last week it tested at 3.3, which puts me BACK in the HIGH RISK CATEGORY FOR HEART DISEASE.   Any reason why this would come down so dramatically and then shoot back up in such a short period of time?

From http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003356.htm:
"C-reactive protein is produced by the liver. The level of CRP rises when there is inflammation throughout the body."

There are two clues there.  Inflammation and liver.  I'm going to guess that the high blood pressure and high CRP are related, and tied in with something funny going on in your liver.

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I have been really good about following the diet.  In fact, I have focused more on eating fish than meat, which is what my SWAMI indicated.  It seems that my CRP was lower when I was eating more meat and less fish   . . . HELP!

What kind of fish?  Maybe you've been taking in a lot more mercury than you've been accustomed to doing -- especially since the timing of the dietary change from meat to fish lines up with the CRP change!  That could cause a burden on your liver.

The process of detoxifying mercury (or most other toxins) creates inflammatory free radicals.  Since the liver is where most of that detox takes place, that may be where the most inflammation is happening, and that could be causing congestion or in some other way increasing the demand for blood, therefore causing increased blood pressure.

If mercury in the fish is the problem, going back to more meat and less fish may fix both the high CRP and high blood pressure problems.
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http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP044


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the wrong dairy for someone s BT/GT can result in the formation of kidney stones
as well......might have also been the case with your friend


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Thanks, Lola - for the link.  I started my exercise again and of course staying on my compliant diet - blood pressure is down.  I'm thinking I must have triggered something with that weekend blunder on the wrong food choices.  
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From http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003356.htm:
"C-reactive protein is produced by the liver. The level of CRP rises when there is inflammation throughout the body."

There are two clues there.  Inflammation and liver.  I'm going to guess that the high blood pressure and high CRP are related, and tied in with something funny going on in your liver.


What kind of fish?  Maybe you've been taking in a lot more mercury than you've been accustomed to doing -- especially since the timing of the dietary change from meat to fish lines up with the CRP change!  That could cause a burden on your liver.

The process of detoxifying mercury (or most other toxins) creates inflammatory free radicals.  Since the liver is where most of that detox takes place, that may be where the most inflammation is happening, and that could be causing congestion or in some other way increasing the demand for blood, therefore causing increased blood pressure.

If mercury in the fish is the problem, going back to more meat and less fish may fix both the high CRP and high blood pressure problems.


Wild caught cod, haddock and salmon, lots and lots of salmon.


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Wild caught cod, haddock and salmon, lots and lots of salmon.

http://www.nrdc.org/health/effects/mercury/guide.asp
Still, I wonder if mercury is the problem.  It just seems like too much of a coincidence.  There is no safe amount of mercury, and if you've got some Explorer tendencies hiding behind your Hunter GT, that could further complicate matters.

Are you saying that they are all wild caught, or just the cod?  This website notes that, "Farmed Salmon may contain PCB's, chemicals with serious long-term health effects."
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http://www.nrdc.org/health/effects/mercury/guide.asp
Still, I wonder if mercury is the problem.  It just seems like too much of a coincidence.  There is no safe amount of mercury, and if you've got some Explorer tendencies hiding behind your Hunter GT, that could further complicate matters.

Are you saying that they are all wild caught, or just the cod?  This website notes that, "Farmed Salmon may contain PCB's, chemicals with serious long-term health effects."


TJ, I may have some Explorer tendancies.  My upper legs are longer than my lower legs.  My legs are only slightly longer than my torso.  In fact, I remeasured at one point and thought I might be an explorer.  I plugged explorer into my SWAMI and it said it did not agree with my Genotype.

The cod and haddock are definitely wild caught.  I only buy the wild caught salmon when I do buy salmon, but I usually order salmon at a restaurant, so it is probably not wild caught.  My hubby and I have been eating out a lot in the last three weeks.  He had knee replacement surgery and was cooped up for four weeks and couldn't wait to go out . . .


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Hmm.  Maybe you could ask your Dr. about checking for kidney stones and liver enzymes, or maybe you could just try cutting back on fish and focusing on red meat and poultry again.  Or maybe there's something else.  So what do you think you're going to do?
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My CRP is scheduled to be re-checked again in April, when I will recheck my cholesterol, metabolic panel, etc.  I think for now I will cut back on eating salmon in restaurants, although is restaurant steak any safer?  Maybe I should order chicken?  I cannot say that I will not eat out - that will not go over well with my hubby!

Also, maybe all the changes my body has been through lately between the diet, blood pressure medicine, hormones, and new supplements are causing my liver to be out of whack.  

Mostly, I am going to keep doing what I am doing and be more vigilant about compliance.  I have let a tiny bit of dairy sneak in.  Some friends bought some amazing cheese and we were at their house and it was all they had.  I was really hungry, so I had a few bites.  Also, I often order risotto with my fish at restaurants and sometimes it has cheese in it.  I love ice cream, too, and when I cheat it is usually with ice cream every other week or so.

No more dairy whatsoever for now.  I will not have ghee for a while either.  It's probably not so great for me given my family history of heart disease.  I am out of it anyway and have not had a chance to make more, so that will be easy.

I haven't had wheat in months (except for manna bread very occasionally), so I know it is not that.

I can't sweat one test.  I'll see what happens if the next one in April comes out elevated again.


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I'm not so sure about giving up the ghee - you should try and have just a little bit everyday - just a tsp. for your gut.   It's supposed to reduce inflammation, not increase it.  I tend to cheat on the dairy too although with cheeses I try and make them goat's milk which I seem to tolerate better.  Whole Foods has a couple of delicious goat's milk cheddars.  They also sell goat's milk yogurt and ice cream although the ice cream has some gums which bother me.
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That's good that you have another visit lined up.  I hope it brings you better news!
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I'm not so sure about giving up the ghee - you should try and have just a little bit everyday - just a tsp. for your gut.   It's supposed to reduce inflammation, not increase it.  I tend to cheat on the dairy too although with cheeses I try and make them goat's milk which I seem to tolerate better.  Whole Foods has a couple of delicious goat's milk cheddars.  They also sell goat's milk yogurt and ice cream although the ice cream has some gums which bother me.
Jane


Unfortunately, because of my family heart disease history and the fact that I checked I have had an elevated CRP reading (I am making an assumption here), my SWAMI only gives me dairy once a week.  I can have 4 oz. of milk, 1-3 oz. of cheeses or 1/2 teaspoon of ghee or butter.  Honestly, it hardly seems worth it.  Usually I end up eating some cheese because I am at someone's house for dinner, so I bring Manchego with rice crackers and fig spread so that I can eat SOMETHING as an appetizer   Other than that and my occasional ice cream splurge, I tend to stay away from dairy.  I love ghee but it seems that it is not good for me with my elevated C Reactive Protein.


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That's good that you have another visit lined up.  I hope it brings you better news!


Thanks, TJ.  I'll keep you posted.  I have to keep reminding myself that it is a marathon, not a sprint.  I have been thinking that my doctors have been doing far too many blood tests lately.  After my April tests, I think I would like to take a break for a while!



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a photo hosting site

copy paste the address of your picture inbetween the picture brackets

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I cannot see your picture.

To get back at your BP, I hope you are doing better now. I also noticed that pegf1008 recommended some calcium.

This can be a challenge for hunters. We are often lactose intolerant, but your SWAMI may recommend feta cheese. Feta cheese is a good cheese, especially in small amounts. Small amounts. This will maximize absorption.

We don't really need that much calcium anyway. Try to focus on magnesium and vitamin D from sunlight. Nonetheless, a total avoidance of calcium could lead to high BP. Look at your nails to see how your calcium intake is measuring up.
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Patty, you can't "upload" a picture to the forum.  What you can do is find out the internet location of the picture you want to show.  Then you put that address between [img] and [/img], like this (only without the space before and after the address):

[img] http://www.dadamo.com/cgi/dolce-d.jpg [/img]

If you don't know what the address of the picture is that you want to use, you can right-click the picture and "view image".  The address should then show up in your address bar, and you can copy it from there.
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I cannot see your picture.

To get back at your BP, I hope you are doing better now. I also noticed that pegf1008 recommended some calcium.

This can be a challenge for hunters. We are often lactose intolerant, but your SWAMI may recommend feta cheese. Feta cheese is a good cheese, especially in small amounts. Small amounts. This will maximize absorption.

We don't really need that much calcium anyway. Try to focus on magnesium and vitamin D from sunlight. Nonetheless, a total avoidance of calcium could lead to high BP. Look at your nails to see how your calcium intake is measuring up.


Patrick, My nails have always been terrible.  They split, chip and crack.  They have been like this my entire life.  My calcium was checked in September and it looked fine.

I have been somewhat worried about my calcium, however.  Feta cheese is an avoid for me, which is ashame, because I used to love it in my eggs in the morning.  In fact, I can only have dairy once a week.  Manchego and Romano cheeses are superfoods for me, along with butter and ghee.  I can have 1-3 oz of cheese per week or a 1/2 tsp of ghee or butter.  That is it!

To make up for not having the calcium in dairy, I have been trying to eat sardines at least once a week.  I also eat a LOT of broccoli, spinach and other green, leafy veggies.

Last time my blood pressure was checked at a dr's office it was 132/76, with the hydrocholorthiazide, but that is way down from 154/100, so I am getting there.  I am also exercizing more now that I have a rebounder.

Any other suggestions?



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OK, so I am REALLY UPSET.  My OB/GYN did blood tests, including my C-Reactive Protein Cardio.  It had been down to 1.1 on the last test from 3.9 in September.  Last week it tested at 3.3, which puts me BACK in the HIGH RISK CATEGORY FOR HEART DISEASE.   Any reason why this would come down so dramatically and then shoot back up in such a short period of time?

I have been really good about following the diet.  In fact, I have focused more on eating fish than meat, which is what my SWAMI indicated.  It seems that my CRP was lower when I was eating more meat and less fish   . . . HELP!


O's need to eat grass fed meat.. so much good stuff in it for decreasing inflammation.
The source of your fish is important.

http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/302/1/37.abstract?sid=834cb787-abc7-4705-8a31-0d474fb19c2d
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Conclusion The lack of concordance between the effect on coronary heart disease risk of CRP genotypes and CRP levels argues against a causal association of CRP with coronary heart disease.


the data goes round and round



Patty... did you decide to see Dr. D at UB? or at his office? he is the only one who can interpret your data on an individual basis.


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Can anyone see my picture now???  Sorry to ask, but it is blocked on my computer . . . so I have no idea if my upload was successful.   Thanks!


Several issues:

You used a URL of a page containing a picture.

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You need to use a URL  of a picture not a web page.
The URL of the picture on your page is:

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Picture in people's signature area are limited to 100 pixels in height.

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O's need to eat grass fed meat.. so much good stuff in it for decreasing inflammation.
The source of your fish is important.

http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/302/1/37.abstract?sid=834cb787-abc7-4705-8a31-0d474fb19c2d


the data goes round and round



Patty... did you decide to see Dr. D at UB? or at his office? he is the only one who can interpret your data on an individual basis.


No, Andrea, I did not set an appointment to see Dr. D in Bridgeport.  I did look into it, but there is no guarantee I will actually see Dr. D.  I am not sure if there is a way to guarantee this.  Maybe you can advise me on that.  Because of this I decided to seek the advice of a local naturopath I found on Dr. D's website.  I get my blood tested again in April.  I will have to make a decision then.  

The problem with grass fed beef is finding it!  I have joined a local farm coop, but I do not begin to get my meat until June.  I do go to Whole Foods and buy it when it is available, but it is not often available.  I have been focusing a bit more on lamb because it is grass fed, naturally, and fish because I can get wild caught fish.  I thought I had another local source for grass fed beef that I could use until June, but when I questioned the butcher, he did admit that the beef he has is finished with grain to fatten it up.     

Plus, I assume because of my elevated CRP, my SWAMI only gives me three serving of  beef per week. Thus, my beef consumption has gone down rather than up by trying to follow my SWAMI and be a careful consumer!!!  Frustrating, yes?


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his shift is on Monday.....so make sure you get a Monday appointment
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