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Patty H
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OK, so I am REALLY UPSET.  My OB/GYN did blood tests, including my C-Reactive Protein Cardio.  It had been down to 1.1 on the last test from 3.9 in September.  Last week it tested at 3.3, which puts me BACK in the HIGH RISK CATEGORY FOR HEART DISEASE.   Any reason why this would come down so dramatically and then shoot back up in such a short period of time?

I have been really good about following the diet.  In fact, I have focused more on eating fish than meat, which is what my SWAMI indicated.  It seems that my CRP was lower when I was eating more meat and less fish   . . . HELP!


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Not to beat a dead horse...that ain't dead yet...but, why would not a more holistic diuretic be just as beneficial as the Hydrochlorothiazide that's been prescribed? I read not only might I be concerned with the potassium, but also calcium excretion.  Just askin'! I don't know!  Does the "zide" do more than perform diuretic acts of kindness?
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TJ, how do I check this?

Good question.  My friend's kidney stones were discovered (by accident) during an X-ray following a car wreck.  Her Drs. had looked almost everywhere EXCEPT the kidneys before then.   Modern medicine...  But the kidney stones may be a moot point: read on!


Disclaimer: I am not a medical or naturopathic doctor!  I've just done a lot of reading and research.  Everything I say below is purely speculation!  Use at your own risk.
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OK, so I am REALLY UPSET.  My OB/GYN did blood tests, including my C-Reactive Protein Cardio.  It had been down to 1.1 on the last test from 3.9 in September.  Last week it tested at 3.3, which puts me BACK in the HIGH RISK CATEGORY FOR HEART DISEASE.   Any reason why this would come down so dramatically and then shoot back up in such a short period of time?

From http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003356.htm:
"C-reactive protein is produced by the liver. The level of CRP rises when there is inflammation throughout the body."

There are two clues there.  Inflammation and liver.  I'm going to guess that the high blood pressure and high CRP are related, and tied in with something funny going on in your liver.

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I have been really good about following the diet.  In fact, I have focused more on eating fish than meat, which is what my SWAMI indicated.  It seems that my CRP was lower when I was eating more meat and less fish   . . . HELP!

What kind of fish?  Maybe you've been taking in a lot more mercury than you've been accustomed to doing -- especially since the timing of the dietary change from meat to fish lines up with the CRP change!  That could cause a burden on your liver.

The process of detoxifying mercury (or most other toxins) creates inflammatory free radicals.  Since the liver is where most of that detox takes place, that may be where the most inflammation is happening, and that could be causing congestion or in some other way increasing the demand for blood, therefore causing increased blood pressure.

If mercury in the fish is the problem, going back to more meat and less fish may fix both the high CRP and high blood pressure problems.
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the wrong dairy for someone s BT/GT can result in the formation of kidney stones
as well......might have also been the case with your friend


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Thanks, Lola - for the link.  I started my exercise again and of course staying on my compliant diet - blood pressure is down.  I'm thinking I must have triggered something with that weekend blunder on the wrong food choices.  
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From http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003356.htm:
"C-reactive protein is produced by the liver. The level of CRP rises when there is inflammation throughout the body."

There are two clues there.  Inflammation and liver.  I'm going to guess that the high blood pressure and high CRP are related, and tied in with something funny going on in your liver.


What kind of fish?  Maybe you've been taking in a lot more mercury than you've been accustomed to doing -- especially since the timing of the dietary change from meat to fish lines up with the CRP change!  That could cause a burden on your liver.

The process of detoxifying mercury (or most other toxins) creates inflammatory free radicals.  Since the liver is where most of that detox takes place, that may be where the most inflammation is happening, and that could be causing congestion or in some other way increasing the demand for blood, therefore causing increased blood pressure.

If mercury in the fish is the problem, going back to more meat and less fish may fix both the high CRP and high blood pressure problems.


Wild caught cod, haddock and salmon, lots and lots of salmon.


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Wild caught cod, haddock and salmon, lots and lots of salmon.

http://www.nrdc.org/health/effects/mercury/guide.asp
Still, I wonder if mercury is the problem.  It just seems like too much of a coincidence.  There is no safe amount of mercury, and if you've got some Explorer tendencies hiding behind your Hunter GT, that could further complicate matters.

Are you saying that they are all wild caught, or just the cod?  This website notes that, "Farmed Salmon may contain PCB's, chemicals with serious long-term health effects."
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http://www.nrdc.org/health/effects/mercury/guide.asp
Still, I wonder if mercury is the problem.  It just seems like too much of a coincidence.  There is no safe amount of mercury, and if you've got some Explorer tendencies hiding behind your Hunter GT, that could further complicate matters.

Are you saying that they are all wild caught, or just the cod?  This website notes that, "Farmed Salmon may contain PCB's, chemicals with serious long-term health effects."


TJ, I may have some Explorer tendancies.  My upper legs are longer than my lower legs.  My legs are only slightly longer than my torso.  In fact, I remeasured at one point and thought I might be an explorer.  I plugged explorer into my SWAMI and it said it did not agree with my Genotype.

The cod and haddock are definitely wild caught.  I only buy the wild caught salmon when I do buy salmon, but I usually order salmon at a restaurant, so it is probably not wild caught.  My hubby and I have been eating out a lot in the last three weeks.  He had knee replacement surgery and was cooped up for four weeks and couldn't wait to go out . . .


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Hmm.  Maybe you could ask your Dr. about checking for kidney stones and liver enzymes, or maybe you could just try cutting back on fish and focusing on red meat and poultry again.  Or maybe there's something else.  So what do you think you're going to do?
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My CRP is scheduled to be re-checked again in April, when I will recheck my cholesterol, metabolic panel, etc.  I think for now I will cut back on eating salmon in restaurants, although is restaurant steak any safer?  Maybe I should order chicken?  I cannot say that I will not eat out - that will not go over well with my hubby!

Also, maybe all the changes my body has been through lately between the diet, blood pressure medicine, hormones, and new supplements are causing my liver to be out of whack.  

Mostly, I am going to keep doing what I am doing and be more vigilant about compliance.  I have let a tiny bit of dairy sneak in.  Some friends bought some amazing cheese and we were at their house and it was all they had.  I was really hungry, so I had a few bites.  Also, I often order risotto with my fish at restaurants and sometimes it has cheese in it.  I love ice cream, too, and when I cheat it is usually with ice cream every other week or so.

No more dairy whatsoever for now.  I will not have ghee for a while either.  It's probably not so great for me given my family history of heart disease.  I am out of it anyway and have not had a chance to make more, so that will be easy.

I haven't had wheat in months (except for manna bread very occasionally), so I know it is not that.

I can't sweat one test.  I'll see what happens if the next one in April comes out elevated again.


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I'm not so sure about giving up the ghee - you should try and have just a little bit everyday - just a tsp. for your gut.   It's supposed to reduce inflammation, not increase it.  I tend to cheat on the dairy too although with cheeses I try and make them goat's milk which I seem to tolerate better.  Whole Foods has a couple of delicious goat's milk cheddars.  They also sell goat's milk yogurt and ice cream although the ice cream has some gums which bother me.
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That's good that you have another visit lined up.  I hope it brings you better news!
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I'm not so sure about giving up the ghee - you should try and have just a little bit everyday - just a tsp. for your gut.   It's supposed to reduce inflammation, not increase it.  I tend to cheat on the dairy too although with cheeses I try and make them goat's milk which I seem to tolerate better.  Whole Foods has a couple of delicious goat's milk cheddars.  They also sell goat's milk yogurt and ice cream although the ice cream has some gums which bother me.
Jane


Unfortunately, because of my family heart disease history and the fact that I checked I have had an elevated CRP reading (I am making an assumption here), my SWAMI only gives me dairy once a week.  I can have 4 oz. of milk, 1-3 oz. of cheeses or 1/2 teaspoon of ghee or butter.  Honestly, it hardly seems worth it.  Usually I end up eating some cheese because I am at someone's house for dinner, so I bring Manchego with rice crackers and fig spread so that I can eat SOMETHING as an appetizer   Other than that and my occasional ice cream splurge, I tend to stay away from dairy.  I love ghee but it seems that it is not good for me with my elevated C Reactive Protein.


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That's good that you have another visit lined up.  I hope it brings you better news!


Thanks, TJ.  I'll keep you posted.  I have to keep reminding myself that it is a marathon, not a sprint.  I have been thinking that my doctors have been doing far too many blood tests lately.  After my April tests, I think I would like to take a break for a while!



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I cannot see your picture.

To get back at your BP, I hope you are doing better now. I also noticed that pegf1008 recommended some calcium.

This can be a challenge for hunters. We are often lactose intolerant, but your SWAMI may recommend feta cheese. Feta cheese is a good cheese, especially in small amounts. Small amounts. This will maximize absorption.

We don't really need that much calcium anyway. Try to focus on magnesium and vitamin D from sunlight. Nonetheless, a total avoidance of calcium could lead to high BP. Look at your nails to see how your calcium intake is measuring up.
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Patty, you can't "upload" a picture to the forum.  What you can do is find out the internet location of the picture you want to show.  Then you put that address between [img] and [/img], like this (only without the space before and after the address):

[img] http://www.dadamo.com/cgi/dolce-d.jpg [/img]

If you don't know what the address of the picture is that you want to use, you can right-click the picture and "view image".  The address should then show up in your address bar, and you can copy it from there.
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I cannot see your picture.

To get back at your BP, I hope you are doing better now. I also noticed that pegf1008 recommended some calcium.

This can be a challenge for hunters. We are often lactose intolerant, but your SWAMI may recommend feta cheese. Feta cheese is a good cheese, especially in small amounts. Small amounts. This will maximize absorption.

We don't really need that much calcium anyway. Try to focus on magnesium and vitamin D from sunlight. Nonetheless, a total avoidance of calcium could lead to high BP. Look at your nails to see how your calcium intake is measuring up.


Patrick, My nails have always been terrible.  They split, chip and crack.  They have been like this my entire life.  My calcium was checked in September and it looked fine.

I have been somewhat worried about my calcium, however.  Feta cheese is an avoid for me, which is ashame, because I used to love it in my eggs in the morning.  In fact, I can only have dairy once a week.  Manchego and Romano cheeses are superfoods for me, along with butter and ghee.  I can have 1-3 oz of cheese per week or a 1/2 tsp of ghee or butter.  That is it!

To make up for not having the calcium in dairy, I have been trying to eat sardines at least once a week.  I also eat a LOT of broccoli, spinach and other green, leafy veggies.

Last time my blood pressure was checked at a dr's office it was 132/76, with the hydrocholorthiazide, but that is way down from 154/100, so I am getting there.  I am also exercizing more now that I have a rebounder.

Any other suggestions?



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OK, so I am REALLY UPSET.  My OB/GYN did blood tests, including my C-Reactive Protein Cardio.  It had been down to 1.1 on the last test from 3.9 in September.  Last week it tested at 3.3, which puts me BACK in the HIGH RISK CATEGORY FOR HEART DISEASE.   Any reason why this would come down so dramatically and then shoot back up in such a short period of time?

I have been really good about following the diet.  In fact, I have focused more on eating fish than meat, which is what my SWAMI indicated.  It seems that my CRP was lower when I was eating more meat and less fish   . . . HELP!


O's need to eat grass fed meat.. so much good stuff in it for decreasing inflammation.
The source of your fish is important.

http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/302/1/37.abstract?sid=834cb787-abc7-4705-8a31-0d474fb19c2d
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Conclusion The lack of concordance between the effect on coronary heart disease risk of CRP genotypes and CRP levels argues against a causal association of CRP with coronary heart disease.


the data goes round and round



Patty... did you decide to see Dr. D at UB? or at his office? he is the only one who can interpret your data on an individual basis.


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Can anyone see my picture now???  Sorry to ask, but it is blocked on my computer . . . so I have no idea if my upload was successful.   Thanks!


Several issues:

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O's need to eat grass fed meat.. so much good stuff in it for decreasing inflammation.
The source of your fish is important.

http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/302/1/37.abstract?sid=834cb787-abc7-4705-8a31-0d474fb19c2d


the data goes round and round



Patty... did you decide to see Dr. D at UB? or at his office? he is the only one who can interpret your data on an individual basis.


No, Andrea, I did not set an appointment to see Dr. D in Bridgeport.  I did look into it, but there is no guarantee I will actually see Dr. D.  I am not sure if there is a way to guarantee this.  Maybe you can advise me on that.  Because of this I decided to seek the advice of a local naturopath I found on Dr. D's website.  I get my blood tested again in April.  I will have to make a decision then.  

The problem with grass fed beef is finding it!  I have joined a local farm coop, but I do not begin to get my meat until June.  I do go to Whole Foods and buy it when it is available, but it is not often available.  I have been focusing a bit more on lamb because it is grass fed, naturally, and fish because I can get wild caught fish.  I thought I had another local source for grass fed beef that I could use until June, but when I questioned the butcher, he did admit that the beef he has is finished with grain to fatten it up.     

Plus, I assume because of my elevated CRP, my SWAMI only gives me three serving of  beef per week. Thus, my beef consumption has gone down rather than up by trying to follow my SWAMI and be a careful consumer!!!  Frustrating, yes?


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