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OMG Lola! You are the bomb! Thank you for all the information and rounding up my concern into this particular forum.  I'm not so worried about it now.  I was wondering why, after all this time, could one weekend of bad habits trigger th BP? Evidently. And I have been using sea salt in my cooking and I've been okay - it must have been that other salt c**p I was consuming.  

They also corralled me into the Spanish inquisitional mammogram that I've been running from, as well as the pap smear "rip a piece of cervix off" exam. And TETANUS shots!  Made the appointments but don't want to keep them.  Am I stupid? I just don't think its necessary!
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a pap smear won t rip anything off......just do it periodically, it saves lifes


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Patty, I want to add something to what Tom's blog says.  When your blood pressure goes up, that could also mean that your body is having a hard time getting blood to someplace that it is essential for it to go in large quantities.  Congestion in the kidneys and liver are often root causes.

Hormones can certainly play a part, and I have a story to tell you about that.  I have a friend whose BP went through the roof soon after she got pregnant.  Of course pregnancy does all kinds of crazy things to hormones!  It eventually came to light that she had HUGE kidney stones -- measured in cm not mm .  Such large stones had to form very quickly according to the Drs., which points to their formation coinciding with her pregnancy.  I'm guessing that something about the way her body handled minerals changed because of the change in her hormones, so that those minerals started accumulating in her kidneys.

So the kidney is a great place to look.  It is a blood filter, and if there is anything obstructing the flow of blood through it, your body will increase the pressure to force blood through.  The same is true of the liver, but the liver would be congested for other reasons, such as obesity (fatty liver), cirrhosis, or some other kind of damage.

FWIW, hope that helps!
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Hi Lola -

I didn't think the pap smear would do that (because I've had a regular pap), but a part of my exam is just that - you might know what the procedure is called-but she does snip a small piece of the cervix. Is that part of the pap?

And TJ - I'm wondering if that was ever the issue with my high blood pressure; the fact that I'm an Explorer and perhaps its a liver issue (needing to follow the Explorer detox process & other such protocols) - since the doctors have always told me they could not pinpoint what was causing my high blood pressure.   ?
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Oh yes - any opinions on the mammo and tetanus?
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examination under the microscope of cells scraped from the tip of the cervix.

http://www.righthealth.com/topic/what_is_pap_test#ixzz1FhihrRBR


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Hi Lola -
I didn't think the pap smear would do that (because I've had a regular pap), but a part of my exam is just that - you might know what the procedure is called-but she does snip a small piece   ?


that sounds like a biopsy.. what would be the reason for this / your history?
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No - I have no such history of ANYthing...well, unless fibroids would prompt this.  This makes me wonder - are they performing unnecessary procedures for me...

Hey! Speaking of possible unnecessary procedures ... what about that tetanus shot and mammogram they keep hounding about?
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No - I have no such history of ANYthing...well, unless fibroids would prompt this.  This makes me wonder - are they performing unnecessary procedures for me...

Hey! Speaking of possible unnecessary procedures ... what about that tetanus shot and mammogram they keep hounding about?


I would get them both, but that is just me.  Tetanus can kill you.   It's not something you can always control, either.  Stepping on a rusty nail can cause tetanus.

And the mammogram?  Yes - they save lives.  I think it is important to strike a balance between traditional medicine and natural health care!  


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Desiree,

B nonnie explorer here.  Tetnus shot after I stepped on a rusty nail. The shot nearly killed me.  I won't be having another one.  Somewhere in one of the books, Dr D said B's react worse to vaccines than others.  I heard all of my life from my mother that I always had the most severe reaction as a kid than any of the other 7.  I was the only B.  

I don't get mammograms.  That is a decision you will have to make for yourself.  I also don't get pap smears or uterine biopsies anymore.  My new-ish gyn, who has practiced for over 35 yrs told me that the fibroid and polyp that I have will probably be there when I die at 100, never having caused any problem. I have no symptoms from them.  

I would not advise anyone else to do what I do, though.  You need to make your own desicion about what to have done to your body.  I may change my mind down the road and have the, once advised, d&c or whatever it was they wanted to do to me about 5 yrs ago, too, so don't go by me or anyone else.  
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Thank you for the input.  I don't just blindly follow anyone - I do, however, like to get opinions and hear of others experiences and make my own decisions. I will learn along the way whether my choices were wise or not - and so glad they are MY choices...so no one is at fault but me if I hit a rusty nail and have not had my tetanus!  I just have never had such a place to come with such good information and opinion, skill and experience to allow me to take a look at various subject matters from different experiences and perspectives - its like a pot of gold!  Western medicine can be great! But I like to have options. If I can do it I prefer less invasive treatments if I need treatment at all. I prefer to modify my diet as Dr. D has so wonderfully laid out.  There are some things I intuitively know are good for me~and there are things I'm not so sure if I'm being so fanatical about the holistics that I could neglect something I should not.  Coming here helps me decide for myself what may work for ME.  So again, I thank you all - like I said "pot of gold!
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Thank you for the input.  I don't just blindly follow anyone -  


I am sure you don't.  You are a B   I try to put that disclaimer in everything.  

Like you, I like to get input and make my own decisions always hoping that they are with knowledge.  I have had good experiences before when getting a second opinion from a more experienced physician.  I like the watch and see approach for the most part.  I also don't like to do anything from fear.  If I am being pressured to get this exam, biopsy, scan and I begin to feel fear, I wait, look into the problem and then proceed.  

My husband had cancer several years ago.  He lives with some very nasty side effects from treatments he had that weren't absolutely manditory.  He had head and neck cancer, the same thing Michael Douglas has just been treated for, was told to have as many teeth pulled as the oncology dentist advised because he could not have them pulled after radiation without dire consequences.  He did not want to have the only one pulled that they recommended, a wisdom tooth, but because he was motivated by fear, he did it anyway.  He got an infection in the jaw bone which caused him to become septic.  He nearly died from that infection.  He was on a feeding tube for 5 months, IV's at home for 2 months, several surgeries to remove jaw bone, trismus, inability to swallow, destroyed saliva glands and taste buds (the last three of which can come from radiation alone, but could have been alleviated somewhat if he had been more healthy recovering), and more.  

I ramble.  Didn't mean to go into all of that. I am not against medicine.  I love all of my doctors and my husband's doctors.  All of his cancer doctors were wonderful.  He just should have gone with his gut feeling and not had the tooth pulled.  And they should have listened to him the first time when he told them there was something wrong with it.  

Rambling again.

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You have every right to decline medical treatment or tests that your doctor orders. You don't *have to* have a mammogram and/or a tetanus/pertussis/diptheria vaccine (it's NOT just a shot against tetanus!!) if you feel that the risks outweigh the benefits for your personal situation.

I'm personally not convinced that mammograms are safe. X rays have been proven to cause cancer- so why regularly expose a body part to radiation to look for cancer? It just makes no sense.

I did have a "baseline" mammogram last year, when my aunt was diagnosed with breast cancer, primarily because my Mom was harping on me about it and I didn't want to lie to her. But I don't intend to ever have another "routine" mammogram. If I find a lump on a manual exam, I'll bring it to my dr's attention and consider additional lab tests at that time. If another mamogram is needed, we'll have my baseline mammogram to compare it to. Otherwise, I'm not radiating my breasts again. When my PCP asks about it, I tell her I'll talk to my GYN about it, and I tell my GYN I'll discuss it with my PCP.

I'm pretty anti-vaccine in general these days.  I had a pretty bad reaction to my last tetanus booster- my arm was in pain for nearly a week, and I was diagnosed wtih fibromyalgia a few months later. I've researched tetanus and don't feel that I'm currently in any real risk of contracting it. Diptheria is so rare I've yet to hear of a recent case (so I'm not worried about contracting it) and I'm not scared of Pertussis. I recently nursed DD1 through that disease,  and didn't catch it.

I do go for my regular PAP smears, as IMO they're uncomfortable but harmless (this is the test where they rub a giant q-tip on the cervix, removing just a few surface cells.) If your doctor is recomending a surgical procedure where they actually cut out a small piece of your cervix, ask why. That is NOT a routine test, so either you're misunderstanding what the PAP smear is, or they found something on your PAP smear and they want to investigate it further. If this is the case, you need to do more research on your own condition- how they would treat it, if the results of the biopsy would affect treatment options, etc.

As for  blood pressure medicine- again, you need to research. Just how high was your blood pressure? Did you sustain that high reading for a long time, or was the medicine prescribed based on a single reading? The very first thing to do is increase compliance (and possibly add in some heart-strengthening supplements) and get your blood pressure re-checked in a few weeks or months, then consider medication if it's still high. This may not be a practical option if your blood pressure is dangerously high, but it worked for me when it was "borderline high."


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Maukik: I am you/you are me...individually, of course   Because of what doctors have done, or not done I declined into poor health. Blessing in disguise, I guess.  It led me to the BTD/GTD & SWAMI.  I ramble too...is that a B thing?

Ruthie: My BP has not been consistently high since I've followed the GTD/SWAMI; just went up recently - I've been falling off the wagon on a few recent weekend trips so I don't know if this was a contributing factor. I've found I need not to be a renegade when it comes to my diet.  My disposition does not forgive easily when I over indulge.  

That PAP smear + biopsy procedure? They never told me why - the first time was she "wanted to be sure"; then she kept doing it at all PAP smear appointments without explanation - I figured this was normal/routine.  Then my, hey! wait a minute! reactor lit up.  I sometimes fear what the HMO's do - especially after some questionable things have happened to me at the hand of one of the doctor's in this organization.  Too long and personal and controversial to explain.  

And yes, they are hounding me like used car salesmen, to get these things done I prefer not to have done.  I was just there (for BP) and they just handed me a paper telling me when my appointments are. Very pushy - but I guess they mean well.  Now I get to experience their alarmist phone calls when I don't keep my appointments.  I'll follow up with my BP but they can have the other tests.  I DO WHAT I WANT!!
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Desiree- you might want to switch to another health care provider if your current one is so disrespectful.  Your GYN should talk to you about the kind of testing you get done at routine appointments, and if he or she won't, then it's time to find a new GYN. And the office staff shouldn't be making appointments like that. Maybe they think they're being helpful, but you still have the right to NOT make the appointments or to cancell them after they've been made. Yes, you also have the right to simply not show up for tests, but IMO it's nicer to the office staff if you call to cancel ahead of time.

I'm encouraged to get certain tests, but I still need to set up my own appointments, and I always call to cancel if I've decided not to do something. I've worked in a medical office, and it does create extra hassle for us when patients just  don't show up. The people inconvenienced because you didn't show up (and their other appointment could have come earlier so they could all go home earlier) aren't the ones who made the appointments for you without your consent.


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Very true.  Duly noted. I can cancel on-line as well.  
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When taking Hydrochlorothiazide is there a need to supplement with potassium? If so, is there a particular "type" of potassium to look for?
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pls ask the Dr prescribing these, to guide you and help you make the right choices


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I could do that, except, for example, if I needed iron supplements they would tell me to take ferrous sulfate, which I would not do.  I'm not sure of the various "potassiums" there are out there. Are there synthetics?  
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Thank you very much. Good resources.  Common sense, huh?   
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When taking Hydrochlorothiazide is there a need to supplement with potassium? If so, is there a particular "type" of potassium to look for?


I just started Hydrochlorothiazide in February.  My doctor told me to eat bananas and other foods rich in potassium.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0000714/

This link should give you some info.  You can also talk to the pharmacist.


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When taking Hydrochlorothiazide is there a need to supplement with potassium? If so, is there a particular "type" of potassium to look for?


I was prescribed this once and told to eat an extra Banana a day. Anyhow the idea is to increase your Potassium intake a little.








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Patty, I want to add something to what Tom's blog says.  When your blood pressure goes up, that could also mean that your body is having a hard time getting blood to someplace that it is essential for it to go in large quantities.  Congestion in the kidneys and liver are often root causes.

Hormones can certainly play a part, and I have a story to tell you about that.  I have a friend whose BP went through the roof soon after she got pregnant.  Of course pregnancy does all kinds of crazy things to hormones!  It eventually came to light that she had HUGE kidney stones -- measured in cm not mm .  Such large stones had to form very quickly according to the Drs., which points to their formation coinciding with her pregnancy.  I'm guessing that something about the way her body handled minerals changed because of the change in her hormones, so that those minerals started accumulating in her kidneys.

So the kidney is a great place to look.  It is a blood filter, and if there is anything obstructing the flow of blood through it, your body will increase the pressure to force blood through.  The same is true of the liver, but the liver would be congested for other reasons, such as obesity (fatty liver), cirrhosis, or some other kind of damage.

FWIW, hope that helps!


TJ, how do I check this?


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