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spinnakertech
Tuesday, February 8, 2011, 7:08pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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I'm wondering if any Types O's out there have problems with a high Red Blood Count, High Hemoglobin volume, and High Hematocrit volume?  My numbers have soared in the last year and I've been on a strict BTD for Type O's for the past eight months.  Can it be too much red meat casuing these high levels?

Red blood cell (RBC) count. Red blood cells carry oxygen from the lungs to the rest of the body. They also carry carbon dioxide back to the lungs so it can be exhaled. If the RBC count is low (anemia), the body may not be getting the oxygen it needs. If the count is too high (a condition called polycythemia), there is a chance that the red blood cells will clump together and block tiny blood vessels (capillaries). This also makes it hard for your red blood cells to carry oxygen.

Hemoglobin (Hgb). The hemoglobin molecule fills up the red blood cells. It carries oxygen and gives the blood cell its red color. The hemoglobin test measures the amount of hemoglobin in blood and is a good measure of the blood's ability to carry oxygen throughout the body.

Hematocrit (HCT, packed cell volume, PCV). This test measures the amount of space (volume) red blood cells take up in the blood. The value is given as a percentage of red blood cells in a volume of blood. For example, a hematocrit of 38 means that 38% of the blood's volume is made of red blood cells. Hematocrit and hemoglobin values are the two major tests that show if anemia or polycythemia is present.

I also have some low levels of specific white blood cells including Lymphotyte % and Monocyte %.

I've seen a lot of postings from Type A's on this forum with low Hemoglobin and Hematrocrit levels and their concern is anemia.  My situation is just the opposite.

These blood test results came back with the results that show that for the first time in three years, my ANA (anti-nuclear antibodies) test was NEGATIVE!!!  (Positive ANA is an indication of autoimmune disease).  In 2009 my ANA was Positive with a Titer of 1:1280 (a titer of 1:40 to 1:80 shows low antibody level; anything over 1:80 shows elevated antibody level.  I was off the charts!)  In 2010 my ANA was Positive with a Titer of 1:160.  Much better but still elevated.  Just after that test, I went on BTD and 8 months later, my ANA test was NEGATIVE.  I completely turned off my autoimmune response through diet.  Yay!

So the BTD has definitely worked naturally to turn off my autoimmune trigger!!  But did that success come at the expense of causing a blood disease???

Conditions that cause high RBC values include smoking, exposure to carbon monoxide, long-term lung disease, kidney disease, some cancers, certain forms of heart disease, alcoholism, liver disease, a rare disorder of the bone marrow (polycythemia vera), or a rare disorder of hemoglobin that binds oxygen tightly.  Conditions that affect the body's water content can also cause high RBC values. These conditions include dehydration, diarrhea or vomiting, excessive sweating, severe burns, and the use of diuretics. The lack of fluid in the body makes the RBC volume look high; this is sometimes called spurious polycythemia.

If the hemoglobin count is higher than normal, then that could be an indicator that the person may be suffering from
-Congenital heart disease
-Corpulmonale
-Dehydration
-Erythrocytosis
-Low blood oxygen levels (hypoxia)
-Pulmonary fibrosis
-Polycythemia vera

Some of the high hemoglobin and hematocrit causes are the same. Some of the reasons for increased hematocrit range are dehydration, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease and other conditions associated with low blood oxygen levels and elevated level of erythropoietin by kidneys as a response to low oxygen level in blood.

I don't smoke, don't live at high elevations, and I have good lung function.  So unless I was dehydrated when I took the test, I'm facing some really scary blood disease, kidney malfunction, congestive heart failure, or lung or kidney cancer.

Has anyone else had high RBC, Hemoglobin, and Hematocrit levels and, if so, were you able to get them under control?  If I cut back on red meat would this have an effect?

Thanks!
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I have not had any of those conditions that I'm aware of, and I don't know whether eating too much red meat can cause them, but just thought I'd mention that my SWAMI gives me a 3-5 oz serving of red meat three times per week, which is not much.  I get more fish frequencies than red meat on SWAMI.
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Has anyone mentioned donating blood?  That will lower your iron levels.  Talk to your doctor or your local blood center.  

Another idea is going to a plasma center.  Have them spin out everything like normal but instead of giving you back the RBC's etc, have them give you back the plasma instead.

Are you exercising like an O should be and are you drinking plenty of water?


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Quoted from O in Virginia
I have not had any of those conditions that I'm aware of, and I don't know whether eating too much red meat can cause them, but just thought I'd mention that my SWAMI gives me a 3-5 oz serving of red meat three times per week, which is not much.  I get more fish frequencies than red meat on SWAMI.


Wow! Red meat only 3x per week for a Type O Non-secretor?  I haven't done SWAMI but based on the ER4YT and the Arthritis book, I think the recommendation is for me to have 10-12 servings of red meat per week.  So I try to get it 2x per day.  That's a lot more than your SWAMI says!
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Quoted from Tom Martens
Has anyone mentioned donating blood?  That will lower your iron levels.  Talk to your doctor or your local blood center.  

Another idea is going to a plasma center.  Have them spin out everything like normal but instead of giving you back the RBC's etc, have them give you back the plasma instead.

Are you exercising like an O should be and are you drinking plenty of water?


Thanks for the suggestions.  I exercise 3-4 times per week.  I've lost 44 lbs in the past two years.  Very strictly compliant to BTD for the past six months. I've had excellent results eliminating my autoimmune symptoms (rheumatoid arthritis, fibromyalgia, ulcerative colitis).  Then whammo--really bad blood test results.  It seems like iron overload but I've read that it's nearly impossible to get too much iron just from food unless you have a genetic disorder that makes you absorb iron more efficiently than most.  I don't take iron supplements but I should check D'Adamo's supps because I take a lot of those.
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7 to 12 servings for nonnies arthritis book

I believe your weight is fine, right?

also organic grass fed free range......high cla content is important


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Wow! Red meat only 3x per week for a Type O Non-secretor?  I haven't done SWAMI but based on the ER4YT and the Arthritis book, I think the recommendation is for me to have 10-12 servings of red meat per week.  So I try to get it 2x per day.  That's a lot more than your SWAMI says!


Perhaps my red meat is limited because I am overweight.  I don't know.    We'll see what happens, whether I get more red meat later as I lose more weight.
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O in Virginia, in my SWAMI I also get red meat (4-6oz per serving) 3 times a week only. I get 7 servings of fish per week. Very similar to yours.


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O in Virginia, in my SWAMI I also get red meat (4-6oz per serving) 3 times a week only. I get 7 servings of fish per week. Very similar to yours.


I get 7 servings of fish per week, too.  Only 3 of red meat and poultry.  Six eggs/week.  Good think I love fish!    You are definitely not overweight, Balletomane, so there must be some other reason.  Maybe I have some Hunter characteristics, too.
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Quoted from Lola
7 to 12 servings for nonnies arthritis book

I believe your weight is fine, right?

also organic grass fed free range......high cla content is important


That's right--7 to 12 servings.  I knew it was something like that.  Weight is okay--I could stand to lose about 10 more lbs but it's coming off slowly (2-3 lbs per month) without any effort on a high red meat diet and exercise only 2-4 times per week.

I have started buying only organic grass-fed beef.  I can't tell any difference but I'm sure it's better and worth it.
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I get meat servings of 3 red, 2 poultry, 5 fish, and 6 egg per week.  Swami tweaked for weight loss, with max weight and min exercise.

Spinnakertech, it is time for you to seek health by achieving a new equilibrium.  Try a more specific diet.  If you are interested in Swami, it will accommodate the needs that were being met with the Arthritis diet book.

Getting an appointment would get you a more comprehensive answer.


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Interesting. I have High Hemoglobin volume, and High Hematocrit volume, and low White blood cells and low Platelets.  I've seen a bit of an improvement recently on the WBC and Platelets.  I've  never been much of a red meat eater, rarely now as my blood type A is more suited to fish and vegetarian.  I have been working with various doctors over past 7 years or so and have been working on gall bladder/liver, kidneys (have a kidney stone); adrenals/thyroid.  Have discovered I have food sensitivies to gluten, dairy and other stuff.  And immune system also being worked on.  Low WBC is to do with immune.  I'm wondering if by this being low, it lets the red increase?


Gluten/Casein and Yeast sensitivity.
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Hi, I know this is an old thread but I'm curious how those of you with high hemoglobin, high hematocrit and high RBC's are doing now.  I am currently being evaluated for the same and also have a low mean platelet volume.  Just trying to figure out what I might be facing.  I have autoimmune adrenal insufficiency that can cause dehydration which might be the cause.  One of the blood tests (LDH) has shown some level of tissue damage but so far they haven't narrowed down where.  I'm getting a CT scan soon.  I am not doing the BTD (although both of my parents do and are quite happy on it!  I'm type O if that matters.)  I appreciate anyone's feedback!
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Hi pokey!

Blood type matters if you are looking for help. A type O avatar can be found in the member center.

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Hi Pokey,
i've been working with a Doctor/Naturopath and Acupuncturist.  They both agreed on adrenal issues, and I think that was perhaps big underlying issue. Also agreed I  need to do detoxing for liver/kidney.  Also candida/yeast.  And the Doctor felt from some additional tests I may have some kind of  lyme like infection of a chronic rather than acute phase, although the Acupuncturist didn't see that. Lab work showed EBV virus. But with following fairly closely the Swami diet, trying to stay off gluten, dairy, yeast and sugar as much as possible, and working on stress levels, I've seen an improvement last time I did lab work.  
Hope this is helpful.
Lin


Gluten/Casein and Yeast sensitivity.
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O- nonsecretor hunter. The last couple of times I tried to donate blood my hemoglobin was too low to donate. That was last year. I don't feel like I should donate. 70 is the cut off age anyway. Too far to travel to a plasma donating center.  
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