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greenman
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My mother is type O+.
The doctors tell me that she may have had a stroke.
Her right arm and right leg are weaker.
She was hospitalised with Septacemia and UTI's. She was very weak going to hospital and could not walk.
The doctor's discharged her saying this would probably be the norm from now on.
She gets physio once a week.
I want to help her and am wondering if anyone has had experience with this and what exercises is she to do.
At present when she is sitting in  a wheelchair I get her to try to lift her arm and legs, just gently and a few repetitions.
She is also very tired all the time.
Any help is much appreciated.

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My grandmother had a stroke after which she couldn't raise either arm. My mother worked with her as you are your mom. She did get most of range of motion back. It take time and precedence. So never say never. Look for some help online. Hope someone can get thoses for you soon. Just don't give up.  


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Hi Deblynn
Thanks for the reply.
My mother is a very positive person, but this time she is very negative.
She is tired all the time so that probably does not help.
She is frustrated by the lack of progress.
I keep reminding her is that she got walking again before.
I don't think that the virus helped her
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put her on the right diet for her physiology

fortify her gut ecosystem using the right probiotics and all digestive aids Dr D has designed.....

build up her immune system gradually.....
check out the protocol index if you do not possess an encyclopedia


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make her bone broth with all the right grains and veggies.......you can even puree it,
turn it into a creamy consistency.......this will slowly build her lack of nutrient.....add good fats etc......she needs to lift her mood


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Speak to the Physical Therapist and get recommendations for what exercises would help, and that way you can also help to continue the progress the PT is starting each week.  Best for continuity;  you'll see the best results this way.  And strength will certainly return if the muscles are used.

Lola's suggestion of bone broth soup is excellent!!  I'll give you my recipe, which helped to rebuild my health after a serious illness, and I still eat it several times a week.

Get some beef knuckle bones from the butcher;  the best quality you can find, grass-fed is best, regular organic grain-fed is next best choice.  Otherwise get whatever you can find.  Put a double handful in a big pot or crock pot.  Simmer on the lowest heat for 8 to 12 hours.  Lola likes to add a squeeze of lemon toward the end to help bring out the minerals.  I just take mine off the heat because citrus gives me heartburn.

Strain this broth and chill.  Then toss the heavy layer of fat that rises to the top.  This stock will gel in the fridge.  It is rich in collagen and countless minerals that are good for the bones, tendons, ligaments and nerves.

In a big pot, saute a big red onion and a handful of peeled garlic cloves in a couple spoonfuls of ghee.  Add some chopped portabella mushrooms and keep stirring until wilted.

Pour on the beef stock.  For 1/2 gallon of soup, you can start with 1 quart of stock and add more later on if needed.

Add several cups of chopped vegetables that are beneficial for type O's.  Remember that it is the beneficials that heal and strengthen and that is what she needs right now.  Add some ginger and any other favorite spices for type O.

When the heat comes up to bubbling, reduce to low.  Meanwhile chop two or three cups of leafy green vegetables that are type O beneficial. And cut some lamb, beef or buffalo into small chunks.

When the other veggies are nearly done, add the greens, meat and a spoonful of dry parsley and dry basil (or use fresh).  Salt to taste with a good quality sea salt.  Pour on a Tb or so of extra virgin olive oil.  

Cover and simmer until the meat and greens are cooked.

After soup is done and has cooled a bit, blend it all to make a creamy consistency.  You can freeze in small portions and keep some refrigerated so it is always available.
  



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would implement l'acetyl-carnitin.... mg, B-complex ..... all the best for your mum .....


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I'm surprised, her doctor, did not order home physical therapy.  They just sent her home, with no instructions, on what to do to improve her quality of life?

When working with her, have her draw in a breath of air, and when lifting, let out the air, through pierced lips, have her tighten the muscles, as she is lifting, also.
This will make them stronger.

You may also talk to the doctor, about water physical therapy, it is usually done in a three foot wide by maybe 12 foot long, usually have a hydralic lift chair to lower or raise the person, in and out of it, and if necessary, someone will be in the water with her, but usually they are on the side, directing her on what to do to build everything up again.  It is so much easier in the water.
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Find a copy of the book, The Brain Which  Changes Itself by Norman Doidge . . .

In it one of the docs talks about helping to rehabilitate his father after a stroke . . the doctors, aka experts were all quite negative.  This man did what you are doing -- intensively -- lots of personal attention, basic, basic exercises . . gradually increasing.   Over time his father recovered full or almost full capabilities.

The outlook for stroke sufferers is much brighter than in the past, but primary care docs may not be focussed or have the time to provide guidance.

Keep up your faith and your efforts.

Good luck.

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Thanks for all your replies. will definitely investigate the book by Norman Doidge, checked it out on line and it seems really interesting.
I will try the broth, it will probably be good for me anyway, as I admit that I find this stressful.
The doctors just sent her home as they had 'managed' the virus. They did not give a reason for the lack of movement, it was the gp who said that she probably had a stroke. Unfortuneately, this is Ireland where our medical system is crazy (this would be for another thread, fills radio programs each day and still nothing is done).
Her appetite is very poor at present and she is very tired. They have her on nitrofurantoin which is a form of antibiotic, which means that she has been on antibiotics for 5 weeks now.
Thanks again I find all posters on this forum to be genuinely interested and want to help.
I hope that I can return the favour again
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There is an awesome series I've seen on public TV .....exercises while seated.
http://www.sitandbefit.org/


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Do you know anyone who has an iPad?  The iPad could help get her moving her weak side while being engrossing/entertaining.  

For instance:  http://www.imedicalapps.com/20.....perience-healthcare/
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http://www.sitandbefit.org/ ---excellent web  site describes exercises I was looking for guidance as to what were the best exercises. We don't get pbs in Ireland unfortuneately.
Don't have an ipad--but I am trying with simple questions from easy crosswords.
A problem that she has is that she is tired all the time so finds everything hard work--I don't know if the tiredness is from stroke?? or body repairing itself from septacemia or the new medication--I know the doctors don't know because they just dodge my questions. I get more help on this forum than the medical team!!
She is also very frustrated with her progress and tired so she works herself into a tizzy and is very down about her condition.
Thanks again you are all marvellous and I appreciate the interest that you have in my problem
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hi all
I appreciate all the help.
My mother is worse on her right than her left.
She is not walking now at all and is flopping alot.
Any advice is appreciated
Thank you
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just for some more information whenI liftr her right leg if is hery light.
He left leg is very heavy.
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I believe she is being supervised by competent Drs?

what strategies will they adopt?

who cooks for her?


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sorry i gotmy left and right mixed up.
Her left leg is light AND
her right leg is very heavy
sheis O + and on aspirin as a blood thinner
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lola I am not happt with docs but this is what I have to have to [ut up with.
Her appetite is still low. I think that is still due to seticemia. But I do not know. This is ireland where no doc will answer you
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Here I would go to the internet to look for stroke care giving and find groups that will help you.. The reason doctors don't answer is that they don't know.. find a good nurse and they will tell you more about what is to be expected.

I hear in your voice here that you are getting tired, frustrated as much as your mom is also.. how old is mom, do you 2 live alone or are there support people and systems available.  do you get respite? a break?

when mom became ill it was relatively easy for me to accept that every day would be a gift.  Mom lived to 91.. I knew she could be ill everyday of my life as she was 29 when I was one year old and she got cancer... Then when she became 80 she got another cancer, and again the answer I felt was that every day is one more gift.  Mom did well enough after her surgery and lived another 10 years without issues,but needing help.. then after 90 she got her last cancer from which she was not expected to recover- she was expected to live weeks she lived 8 month.. .  We had many things to get used to and I could loose patience like any one.. it was worth to have a sister who would help when I needed a break.. that is important.

I stopped asking doctors how long anything will take, years before when I was my self in pain,, they did not know, and all they could to is try to encourage me but that was more frustrating then anything..I wished for truth and saying: "I don't know" THAT would have been welcome.      

Having explained this is not much of on answer but frustration is going from one to the other, mom feels it and feels bad, and then feels frustrated with her self and you..

It pays to say some things to mom when there is no anger present.  like I needed for my mom to know that I would hear everything she said to me at night .. and I could do anything she needed to do for her, and go back to sleep.. but would she please not make me talk OUT LOUD at night, as then after I talked, then I could not fall a sleep for three hours.  stuff like that is important.. sit where she sits and see how it feels for eyes and posture..drafts and heat and seeing what is going on in the rest of the house..see it and feel it from her point of experience..

as for exercises.. fun stuff.. walking while you hold her up on her weak side.. walkers for me are poison they are to deep and become a crutch.. I like a tall broom stick on one side and you on the other much better.

The weight training of what she can lift is great no matter what it is .. my mom used her walking stick as a balancing stick.. holding it high above her head, balancing on one finger.. pushing it in the air, holding it overhead, if need be with help on the beginning.

Breathing in and out .. OUT even more then IN is more important.. like panting when giving birth.. it takes less effort to breath out .. breathing IN is automatic.. no need to stress trying to lift your lungs.. just breathing out is exercise..

looking at pictures old photos and telling you the story behind each picture.. why when or where by who.. good for the brain..

folding laundry for mom is good. walking from the back to the front.. so long as the walls are not to far away.. I never let mom walk alone no matter how short her walk.. and even then she slipped out of my hands and fell.. sorry was a word I often used..

Putting pillows behind moms back will relieve her body stress trying to hold her in position.. especially when going to sleep.  puffing pillows is a good feeling.. ironed sheets feels so nice when one goes to bed..

place the ironboard low in front of mom as a table.. and if she can let her iron..makes her feel useful..

give her as much news as you can think of.. if she enjoys tv then have it on in all places she is comfortable in.. get a bell for when she needs to get your attention..

never stress your self stress will make you ill.. if need be come here and vent  or email me..

make sure she is comfortable in her underwear.. the diapers she may need are uncomfortable and it is easy to get rashes that hurt a lot.. if need be discuss with me privatley..

medications and or certain things can cause thrush/candida/footfungis. that is painful and needs great attention long before mom complains..red tongue is s sign, red bottom the same..soft nightgowns forher arms not to rub..  

I think aspirins are safer then not.. until Dr D says differently here..         

looking for any answer to question is a good thing.. hope my post is not to long.

now that mom is gone I wish she was still here .. she gave me much self worth and  a reason to want to help others with what I know..


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building a strong digestive system is key....
polyflora and deflect as well as intrinsa for butyric acid
you can feed her bone broth, veggies, good fiber

fruit smoothies with ara powder
veggie juices with added harmonia and live cell

watch her smile when taking a sip of the hearty soup.....
no one resists that!!!


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Hi thanks for your answers. I will reflect on them.
Goldie, what you wrote there was beautiful and made me feel better
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Lola is right.

food and soup matters..

even as O make mom hearty soup, use oats in a hundred ways.. cook it in soup just a little, in egg drop soup just a little. as a mushy food cook it for a long time, then strain it and just use the mush add peas for color..make ricepudding or use rice in much the same way.. all medicinal..

if mom is in need of losing weight for you to be able to carry her then that is ok,feed her less but well.more protein will make her lose weight.. if she needs to gain for strength she can have other foods like chocolates in all form..  if she is not diabetic and has no other issues then cooked fruit is great food as it slips down.

good food for her is important, but favorite foods she realy likes is ok some days when she needs papmering, just use smaller dishes and bowls for the less then beneficials.. use smaller dishes in the first place. is more friendly.

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My mother is type O+.
The doctors tell me that she may have had a stroke.  
Her right arm and right leg are weaker.HOW OLD IS SHE
She was hospitalised with Septacemia and UTI's. She was very weak going to hospital and could not walk. THIS IS MORE IMPORTANT TO KEEP TRACK OF> SHOWERS EVERY DAY IN A CHAIR WHERE SHE CAN SIT IN WATER FOR A FEW MINUTES IS GOOD.. USING A REGULAR PLASTIC CHAIR MIGHT WORK BETTER THEN THE HOSPITAL TYPE SEATS THEY DON'T ALLOW FOR WATER TO BE SAT IT..

THAT AMOUNT OF WASHING CLEANING IS IMPORTANT..    AND HER.. SOAPS THAT SMELL ARE NICE TO MAKE THE HOUSE FRESH SMELLING ALSO.. CLEAN CLOTHES EVERY DAY IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO FEEL FRESH..

WHILE USING PADS THAT CAN BE EXCHANGED AFTER URINE LEAKING IS EASIER TO DEAL WITH THEN ANY OTHER THING AND MOM MIGHT BE ABLE TO CHANGE IN HER OWN PRIVACY.. CUTTING PADS HELPS WITH MONEY AND MAKES MORE FREQUENT CHANGES MORE RESPECTABE.. STORE BRANDS ARE CHEAPER BUT TRY THEM ON YOU TO SE JUST HOW DIFFICULT ALL THAT IS...

The doctor's discharged her saying this would probably be the norm from now on.
She gets physio once a week. TAKE THAT TIME TO SIT BACK AND OBSERVE .. MOVEMENT IS MORE IMPORTANT THEN ACTUAL EXERCISE..

COFFEE WITH NEIGHBORS IS ALSO IMPORTANT, IF SHE CAN SPEAK..

I want to help her and am wondering if anyone has had experience with this and what exercises is she to do.

At present when she is sitting in  a wheelchair I get her to try to lift her arm and legs, just gently and a few repetitions.  MAKE HER WALK PUSHING THE WHEELCHAIR AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE.. WHEELCHAIRS ARE BETTER THEN WALKER AS THE HANDELS ARE IN A BETTER PLACE.. IF SHE GETS STRONGER THEN HAVE HER PUSH YOU JUST A FEW STEPS.. SHE CAN EVEN PUSH LAUNDERY BACK AND FROM A LITTLE JUST TO STRETCH THE SPINE..


She is also very tired all the time.  HER MENTAL STATE IS DIFFICULT.. SHE WISHES NOT TO SUFFER DISAPOINTMENT TO YOU AND HER SELF..
Any help is much appreciated.


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Hi just to update.
I know I sounded frustrated but I wwas worried about mother.
She was gradually getting worse and weaker with some pain. No movement at all.
Medics were advising that I had to accept that dementia was setting in.
I told them that when she talked to me that she was fine just very tired.
I was annoying the medics and I fought my corner.
Yesterday she got worse. GP would not come out. Got out of hours doctor to look at her.
One look and he said she needs an operation.
At 2a.m. this morning
she had an operation on her pancreas. Was told if it was left for another 24 hours well you know the rest.
She is stable in ICU now.
Thanks again for all the answers and help, I seem to get more help and support here than from her so called medical team.
I think that they missed all this in their diagnosis when she was in hospital last month, and put all her symptoms down to a 'stroke' because she was old.
I never met a ND but I doubt if one would have given up that easily.
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Greenman , bravo  you could have saved her life with these last doctors who decided and performed the pancreas surgery she needed, a prayer for you both and who helps you !


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what type of surgery on the pancreas??

.. as for doctors coming to the house .. never happen here.. would never expect it .. way to time consuming and for serious stuff they can not do anything at home ..  always take her to the doctor or urgent care ..  that is why the wheelchair helps ...

Diabetes can mimic dementia.. so maybe she will be better now.  read all that I wrote above again.. you will need to learn more..  including about maybe a fooly which has advantages and disadvantages.. ask the nursing assistants to teach you what they know.

frustration is natural.. come here for relive.. standing your ground is important but you also have to be ready to hear truth that is unspoken..

All the best..  


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