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Patty H
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I am a member of the original family in which the extremely rare blood antigen, Mg, was found.  Back in the 1950's, one of my uncles needed a blood transfusion but his blood agglutinated although the donor was considered compatible. Researchers from the Blood Grouping Laboratory, Boston, the Dept. of Pediatrics, Harvard Medical School & the Blood Bank of the New England Deaconess Hospital, Boston, did a study that was published in Vox Sanguinis, Vol. 3, No. 2 (1958) called, “Mg, a New Blood Group Antigen in the MNS System”.   The study is posted online, although the version posted online is not in English.

My father and all of his siblings were tested as well as all of my siblings and first cousins.  My father and three of his four siblings have the Mg antigen.  Six out of seven cousins and my three siblings were tested, two of my cousins (from different uncles) and my sister have the Mg antigen.  I was not born at the time the study was conducted, but my sister thinks I was tested after I was born and that I have the rare antigen.  My cardiologist is very interested in further research on family members who have this rare Mg antigen and its possible relationship to disease and will have me tested to confirm that I have it.

I began the BTD in mid-October due to a serious family history of heart disease. I had a physical and some of my test results were less than encouraging.  Then my 59 year old sister had a heart attack this December.  Obviously, I am taking this very seriously.  I found out about a week ago that I am a non-secretor as well.  I contacted my family members to see if anyone had a copy of the study because I was hoping it would identify secretor status and explain the family history of heart disease.  It did not, but when I saw that the Mg antigen was discovered because of agglutination from a donor who was considered compatible, I began to think about how this might impact other things.

Should I have the rare Mg antigen, I am wondering how this might impact my success on the BTD.  I assume that if the Mg antigen caused the my uncle's blood to agglutinate with a seemly compatible donor, then my blood could also agglutinate with seemingly compatible food.  Does anyone else have any experience with this?



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1. I'm assuming you've been all over the internet for more on this.
2. Await the input of Dr. D'Adamo, too.  


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following your guidelines accordingly will rid your body of excess inflammatory issues

you'll be very pleased
http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/MNS_Blood_Group

keep using the search button


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Welcome to the forum!

Dr D'Adamo has studied many rare blood type antigens, and his conculsion is that none of them affect dietary needs as much as ABO blood  group, with secretor status (sometimes determined via MM group) making a few changes. Rh status affects portion recomendations, but not food lists. There's a very good chance that the rare Mg antigen won't have any significant effect on your food choices.

But considering your whole family health history, you might want to get a SWAMI (personalized computer program that calculates the ideal diet for YOU) to maximise the benefit you get from the dietary changes. With your extra information about the rare blood group, I'd recomend locating a practitioner to do a SWAMI pro rather than using the at-home SWAMI Xpress version. There's more likely to be a space to check off rare blood groups in the pro version than the "at home, user-friendly" version. How far are you from CT?


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Only a couple of hours.  I can easily make it to CT.


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you might be curious enough to find out if you are in fact homozygous MM or an association between heterozygous MN or homozygous NN

I am n fact an homozygous NN......and this can be determined by a complete serotyping panel......

won t hurt to find out more about your individuality

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    find out Lewis type, MM/MN and A1 or A2 type?



Quest Diagnostics can run the lab tests with an order from your physician.


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Patty H
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Yes, Lola!  I am waiting to hear from my cardioligist on testing.  My dad and his three siblings who tested positive are NMg.  All of my aunts were tested as well.  Two male cousins are MMg.  My sister is NMg.  My mother is MN, so if I test positive, I assume I can be MMg or MNg.

I just heard that one of my second cousins (my cousin's daughter) tested positive for the gene.  I don't know what she is.  Her mom will have to be tested as well, I assume.

I am going to advocate to have the next two generations tested if their parents are positive to understand the issues should anyone need an emergency blood tranfusion.


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the more you know, the better!


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Hi, Patty, and welcome!

If you are in MA, I would certainly say take a trip down to CT to consult with Dr. D.  The more information you have, the better, and as a naturopath and a true pioneer in the field of nutrigenomics, I believe his input could prove priceless.

Other than that, I wholeheartedly agree with Lola that following the correct diet for your type will be profoundly helpful because, among other things, it is so anti-inflamatory.

I wish you the best, and again, welcome!


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Has anyone recommended you go the swami route if not I would, better still get the good doctore to pro swami you. if i was that close i'd be in like Flynn. lol


Kind Regards PC. FIfHI Swami III Pro

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Thank you everyone for you kind support and excellent advice.  My first goal is to have my MNS blood group type identified.  If I have the rare antigen, then I have to decide my best course of action and a trip to CT will probably be a very good idea!  Should I not have the rare antigen, then my need for a trip to CT is probably not so critical since I am very good at following the diet.  I just need to do better on the EXERCISE part of the program . . . am I the only O with the exercise issue?
I do walk every day because I have three dogs who need to walk, but other than walking I do NOT like to exercise.  I love to dance and do other athletic things, but I do not like the idea of organized exercise!

I would love to hear some other ideas or suggestions as to how I can accomplish this part of the LIVE RIGHT program.  I am not overweight but I do not feel I am in the best cardiovascular shape I could be in.  I have lost seven pounds since being on the blood type diet and I do not thing that I could lose any more than 5 more pounds without being considered under weight.  My family members were not considered over weight and yet they still had heart attacks, etc.


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simply follow the guidelines and try to fit in a walking routine, just for you, with no interruptions
you can always build up if needed
some of us like using a rebounder


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Quoted from Patty H
I am very good at following the diet.  I just need to do better on the EXERCISE part of the program . . . am I the only O with the exercise issue?


Oh, goodness, NO! I struggle with exercise as well- I feel good afterwards, but I have the hardest struggle getting started. I'm usually OK in the middle of it, once I get past the first few minutes.

Being "exercise challenged" is a common Gatherer trait.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Hmm, a common Gatherer trait?  I have not figured out my Genotype yet.  I have the Genotyping Kit, but my hubby and I have not had a chance to go through the whole thing.  Here are the few measurements I do know:  my ring fingers are longer than my index fingers, particularly on one hand, jawline is a narrow, gonial angle (square jaw), my upper leg space is definitely Andric with a large opening and my thumb and middle finger overlap around my wrist, and my legs are much longer than my torso.  My body type is probably mixed, although I am not sure of this.  My arms and legs are very thin and long, although I am quite short (under 5'2").  My husband guesses that I am mesoectomorphic (although I used to be a lot more muscular than I am now ) and my waist to hip ratio is .78 (got to work on that!)

Any guesses as to what I might be?


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Sounds like a Hunter offhand.
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Longer ring fingers, Andric leg openings, longer legs than torso, and "long and thin" body structure is the exact opposite of a Gatherer, though I don't know if that would make you more likely a Hunter or an Explorer.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Patti, University of Bridgeport also has a med shift Dr. D supervises that you might want to check out if going to Wilton doesn't work for you. Dr. Nash at the Wilton clinic is great, too.

Al Sears is a cardiologist that put together something called the PACE program. From my understanding-- heart attacks sometimes come from sudden intense strain on the heart (like snow shoveling)-- and that affects how you want to build the heart muscle in your excercise program. The premise being our bodies were primarily designed for sprints, not marathons.
http://www.amazon.com/Pace-12-.....295634152&sr=8-1

It makes sense to me.

Dr. Nash has me rebounding. I think she's got me doing it for lymph flow and heart health.

All that being said, I am not a doctor and I think you would do really well to visit someone who understands individuals like Dr. D does and/or your cardiologist before really dialing up your program.

I ended up having results from a DNA test and it was wonderful that Dr. D put those into his program and my SWAMI is truly tailored to some things I need some support in from the SNP's that showed up. I am so grateful that this journey is leading me not just to feeling better, but to prevention. The more info you have, the more tuned in the protocol.

Blessings on your journey.


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Well, just closing my window and there is a review by a reader on that link mentioning Genotype Diet the best diet book. And 58 people finding the review helpful to boot!


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14
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Thank you.  Very good advice!  I have an appointment with my PCP on Monday and will ask for the additional blood type testing (MNS and Lewis).  If I do not have the Mg antigen, my road to health will be a lot me straight forward, since I am in pretty good health now and my C Reactive Protein test has come down since I have been on the BTD.  If I have the Mg antigen, that will dictate a more personalized approach and I can look at all of my options.

I keep you posted and thank you again for your continued support!


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wether you have it or not......BT/GT guidelines are the most anti inflammatory


helps prevent pathology at every level




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here is a short mention of Mg from the Individualist.  No mention of how it effects the diet, but transfusions do get briefly mentioned.

http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/MNS_Blood_Group



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Tons of antigens effect blood transfusions. Blood typing and crossmatching has come a long way since the '50's.


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I am interested in the two posts regarding rebounding.  Is this something you do inside?  I live in Walden Woods and have beautiful, wooded trails for walking, so when the weather is good, I take my dogs and we walk, first slowly to let them do their business, and then we power walk for 45 minutes to an hour up and down the hills.

However, this routine gets interrupted during the bad weather.  We have so much snow right now that my little dogs cannot manage the long power walk in the deep snow and bitter cold.  I need to find a good indoor alternative for my exercise program.

Rebounding sounds fun.  Can you give me more details on this?


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Type "rebounding" into the upper right search box and a lot will come up on the left hand side.
It's basically a mini trampoline and is highly efficient excercise.  


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14
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Rebounding sounds fun.  Can you give me more details on this?


I hope this is OK, here is a link to one on HSN that looks like a great deal.

http://health-fitness.hsn.com/.....6213764&ocm=sekw
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