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JJR
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I am thinking pineapple would do you some good.


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I preface a lot I am not a doctor.

Eric on this board takes up to 10K a day. I am prescribed 2K, but take more at times especially in the winter (around 5K). I think you have to take insane amounts to OD. Maybe look around on the net for some guidelines. I used a UVB light today. Been feeling a little off all day and I feel better just a short time later.

Seems like everyone around our area is sniffling and complaining of illness. Knock on wood, when I am doing great nutrician wise and vitamin D wise, I don't get ill like I used to. Seems like occassionally I will have a day when I feel more run down or tired and I will power up with sleep, nutrients, and some UVB. If I need a chiro adjustment, I'll get one. Doesn't last long. Who knows if I've successfully fought something off. Just listening to what my body needs.

Hubby worked about 2 weeks straight of 12-16 hr days. His food and supps powered him through it.

All of the effort is worth it. I didn't realize what it was like this side until I got here. And I've only just begun.  

Hope you are feeling better soon. Do search what Dr. D says about elderberry and swine flu if you think that's what you are combatting.


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What UVB bulb did you buy and do you like it?


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im going to ask a friend to get me some olive leaf itomorrow f she can, but she might not be able to. There is an elderberry syrup available but i dont know if it's suitable   i think it is for 'seasonal and respiratory health'

Pure Vegetable Source GlycerineElderberry Juice (Sambucus nigra) Manuka Honey Active 14+ Thyme Leaf (Thymus vulgaris) Aniseed (Pimpinella anisum) Licorice Root (Glycyrrhiza glabra) Horseradish Root (Armoracia rusticana) Pippali Fruit (Piper longum) Black Pepper Seed (Piper nigrum) Ginger Root (Zingiber officinale) Alcohol w/v ?1.2%.

Sounds fine if each of the ingredients are ok on your Swami diet.

probably tinctures are better

Again, just check the ingredients.  A lot of the elderberry tinctures have sugar added.

I've been trying to add ginger to my foods which seems to help with the nausea too. Had some kiwis and grapes from the fruit bowl. I don't feel like drinking - it's becomming a real problem. JUices are better than water so i try to dilute them to minimise all the sugars im consuming from the fruit. Getting through quite alot of apple juice.   the room goes fuzzy when i stand up so i'm lying horizontal most of the time. tired now, back to bed

I don't know what virus this is but it seems vicious - i don't know why im wheezing now and my chest hurts. sit it out sit is out...
Do you have any of Dr. D's Redoxa?  It really helps when a cold/virus is at this point.  And the NAC helps to liquify mucous in the lungs so you can expectorate.
Try and keep your chest and neck very warm.  Also, your feet.  One of my favorites is to soak my feet in a large dishpan, containing a couple Tb. of powdered ginger and hot water.







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What does the ginger do for your feet?  I have to try that!  I don't think I have a pan big enough!


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I eat pineapple occasionally - it seems to be very cleansing for me. My mum would eat. One everyday if she could. Bromelain must be good for the   inflammation, I never realised..   I like papaya for the good bacteria - such a pity they taste odd here and cost  so much  to buy! We've got a lot of fruits on steroids in our supermarkets - really considering moving to turkey - everything seems organic there!

Thanks for the heads up Victoria, I don't have redoxa but have been taking deflect . A because of the nac it contains - also have some glutathione supps too. I want to get some redoxa when
I can get my  ara and proberry - I think the right  eu website has an offer at the moment  but. I have to buy 4 things!
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Artlover - I will sound a bit strange here but I know who eric is! I remeber last summer I when i got pulled into blood type land of info I searched for testimonials and landed on his website. Actually, reading his story was  a big thing that led me here. Haha.

I'm cautious in not taking too many supplements and making suitable adjustments for individual differences

As I am feeling bunged up and infected i got to thinking about steaming! Especially with the foot bath mention...
I have decided that I'm going to buy a portable infrared sauna - good for colds and will hopefully get
me sweating, I guess the one good thing about feeling feverish is I have been sweating a bit
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Just read this today & thought it was interesting...

"...colds, flu and sinus problems are frequently treated (manipulated) with antibiotic drugs and suppressive medications. The longer and the deeper we become acidic the more our illness take hold so it's best to fight acidic conditions early on and in every presenting clinical situation. "...a highly toxic drug like anti viral Tamiflu won't do a fraction of the job sodium bicarbonate will do especially if it's combined with magnesium chloride and iodine as well as high levels of vitamin C."

AND:

"...recommend alkaline foods and sodium bicarbonate so that the pH of the blood remains high, which in turn means that the blood is capable of carrying more oxygen. This in turn keeps every cell in the body at peak efficiency and helps the cell eliminate waste products. Detoxification and chelation will proceed more easily and safely under slightly alkaline conditions..."

This is from a page on using Baking Soda to treat illness...
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may I ask you to begin with low dosage of olive leaf, it might be too strong while using 500mg's in one capsule... I do prefer 300mg's those of puritan's pride... they only have 150mg's in each capsule and no bad reaction for me.... as I once had while having used 500mg's ad hoc....


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I have decided that I'm going to buy a portable infrared sauna - good for colds and will hopefully get
me sweating, I guess the one good thing about feeling feverish is I have been sweating a bit






"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14
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What UVB bulb did you buy and do you like it?


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I got a UVB light from this site awhile back http://lightyears2.com/skin_light.html(don't recall the model) and am happy  with it a few times a week for about 20 seconds-- equiv of about 15 minutes in the sun. Don't remember the model. Don't know much about UVC.
Still taking my script supp, but something about this even affects my mood super positively.  And I'm making sure to get antioxidents in all this fruit/veg/tea/etc.


Oh, it must be B2R Dual B PRO as that's the only one with 2 bulbs. I mount it on a cheap but steady tripod and plug/unplug and flip the switch each time. I also plug it into a switch for a lamp as the final step so I don't have to be close while it's on. I also wear gloves, 100% eye protection, and a ski mask. I choose to only do part of my body at a time. For example, one day I will do the front of my legs and another the back.

I happened to use this 2 days in a row as I was feeling under the weather. Along with a proberry (in liquid and in food content-- pear and berries) smoothie, some r and r, and I'm feeling pretty swell this morning.  


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14
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btw...highest intake of vits. ACE also does  the trick as well in case of flue symptoms....


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I have to ask - by not taking any pharmaceuticals, am I hindering my recovery?  I am making flu progress, ever so slowly, but getting continually slammed by my mother for not taking drugs. I wouldn't normally talk about her to others but you are all such a great support to me.

When surrounded by viciousness I find it hard to be strong in my convictions
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As someone else already wrote, the meds will treat only the symptoms.  It's your body that needs to eradicate the virus.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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The only time that pharmaceutical drugs make illnesses go away faster is if you're taking antibiotics for a bacterial infection or antifungals for a fungal infection or antivirals for a viral infection. Even then, the side effects are often worse than the illness you're trying to treat, and IMO these drugs should only be used when your immune system is overwhelmed and hasn't been able to fight it off naturally.

Over-the-counter medicines will only suppress symptoms, not do anything to heal the underlying condition. In many cases, suppressing symptoms actually makes the illness more severe, since the symptoms are your body's way of handling the illness. I only use symptom-suppressing meds when the symptoms interfere with sleep, and then I use only one dose at bedtime. I also sometimes use pain meds when there's no fever present and the drugs won't interfere with healing or normal function (such as for menstrual cramps or my daughter's sore mouth from braces.)

Your mother is misinformed, as are many people today. There are even doctors who tell parents that they "need to" medicate their kids to make them get better.


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What does the ginger do for your feet?  I have to try that!  I don't think I have a pan big enough!


The heat from the hot water opens your pores and expands the blood vessels in your feel and ankles.  This in itself is a good thing because when we are fighting a virus, our extremities tend to be cold and the inflammation is in the head and chest. . . hot, swollen tissues, red eyes, fever, sore throat, etc.

As you continue soaking your feet, the ginger oils enter the blood and circulate throughout, warming the body and reducing inflammation, relaxing muscles and in general, just making you feel an improved sense of well-being.

You can buy an inexpensive large dish pan at a hardware store or even most big supermarkets.  

I learned in the '70's that when you have a fever, or just upper respiratory infection, it's good to cool the head and warm the feet.  It has an amazing balancing effect.  Chinese Medicine would explain it better than I can.



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Niagreen,
awwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!
you could have met Eric last summer....
he was in England and Ireland for a few months!!!


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Now I'm interested in reading Eric's website.  Where is that?


Healing takes time.  I don't know how to help you with your Mom though.  Parents can be awful pushy.  It is only because she cares about you and loves you.  And if she has a certain paradigm about how to heal, it would be hard for her to understand something that doesn't fit it.  I think people have very strongly held belief systems about health issues.  And it can get tense.  For me, I would say that I just don't feel as well and taking Over the Counter medicines and they make me feel weird.   But, if that's not your experience, it would be hard to say that.  If you have experienced that, then you should be able to tell her that and ask that she understand that drugs may affect you more than others.  We are not all identical.  If we were, we'd all have the same problems and they might have figured out how to "fix" us all by now.  But we're all different.  That's the challange.  What works for one, doesn't always work for another.  

You could always take the stuff your Mom wants you to if you want to keep the peace, and see how they make you feel.  Then if they make you feel worse, explain it to her again. It may make you feel better.  But in my opinion, it will come with a price.  But sometimes the stress of fighting with someone you love isn't all that good for you either.  

There's no easy answer.  Except that you need to rest for sure.  And you will come out of it.  When our systems are comprimosed to begin with, it just takes longer.  For sure.  I can attest to that.  


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hello all, had a bit of a wobbly last night...!

temperature was high which i think caused my somewhat strange thinking. On the mom front - she is a nurse and I think she finds it hard to grapple with the fact that i look sicker than a lot of her patients. SO she will come home from work late in the evening, and see me sweating and sniffling in bed - maybe her patient's dont sleep as much as I do when they are in hospital. I've been doing at least 18hours for more than a week now.

I know that the sleep is working
I took some paracetamol last night because my eyes were watering - last time I had this i got dragged to A &E with tonsilitis and I didn't want that to happen again.

I like the way you all think, incredibly uplifting   you remind me of one of my university professors - he's american and always so jolly!! here in britain we can be rather cynical... maybe that's why many people find it hard not to conform to the medical model...

the NHS has a very strong hold on society - there is a big swine flu panic at the moment as the deaths keep rising from those who get it, even 'healthy' people. They don't know what to do. The innoculation wasn't ready in time, and there are worries about whether innoculating everyone will be a suitable preventative measure, given budget problems etc..
is it effective... question mark...

many people i know know I have a particular dislike of medicine - but I've never had anywhere i could express my feelings... but here

thanks you guys   x

haha lola! that is so funny - when i was reading eric's website around june/july time I wanted to buy something, i can't quite remember now what it was - but he had this big notice up saying that he was 'out of town.' Little did i know.. he was probably in my town!
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we often can't support any chemical bombes, this is the true matter... while all other genotypes  might can.. or have the possibilities to come along with their enzymatic systems... we do lack those enzymes....


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I am grateful to have a concrete reason as to why i have always responded so badly to chemicals and drugs.  

I got chronically ill after chemical bombardment. I researched the G6pdd - 'what drugs should i avoid?' and it listed almost all the drugs i have consumed in the past decade or so.

I was brought up a nature baby and then went chemical...

I really hope i am actually an explorer, otherwise my theory is wrong!
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Well, you're a non secretor.  It seems like that many times goes hand in hand with explorer.  Even if you aren't an "explorer" per se, you know you have metal toxicity, which almost for sure means you have a problem getting rid of them.  Thus, an explorer like detox system.  Etc Etc.  Who cares what it's called, more than likely you got it.  And so do I.  I did a detoxigenomic test by Great Smokies in America that was written by my doctor.  If you have a doctor that wants to do that, I can tell you which test it is.  It was not covered by my insurance though, but it may be different over there. It sure explained a lot for me.


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