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Niagreen
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hello,

For the past week or so I've been getting all over body weakness and general feelings of coming down with an infection of some sort - mostly nausea, low grade fever and aches and icky feeling.

This hardly happens to me... despite feeling poorly a great deal of the time (other issues) I don't tend to catch colds and things like that...

Since Tuesday it feels like I've been whacked over the head with flu - now my nose is streaming and I have a nasal headache, tummy ache, weird taste in mouth and feelings of wanting to sleep constantly.

I wonder if anyone has any advice as to how I can get over this? shall i resort to pharmaceutical drugs? I haven't taken any thus far - just been upping my multivitamins and vitamin C and trying to eat some good foods. Lemons and honey, soups and stews...

I can't see my doctor as she thinks it may be swine flu. Will the flu go away if I keep taking natural measures? or should I take things like Night Nurse and over the counter liquids/tablets?

thanks for any help  
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Likely you will recover from flu with or without treatment.

To hasten recovery, rest will probably help most.

Night nurse is primarily intended to relieve symptoms rather than reduce flu duration. It contains:

Paracetamol which is a pain reliever. Paracetamol may also reduce fever intensity.

Dextromethorphan which is a cough suppressant.

Promethazine which is a decongestant.



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There is also
the immune support protocol http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/17.html

and the antivirus protocol:

http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/6.html


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Elderberry for flu, always for flu.
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It's too late for this, but for future reference, keep Yin Chaio in the house.  Begin taking it at the first sign that your body is fighting a virus.  It usually eliminates the flu before it sets in, is my experience for decades.



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Quoted from DoS
Elderberry for flu, always for flu.


I second this, I think you could get some locally of good quality if you want something quick.  I would think.  We get a liquid of it called "Sambucus".  Or get some of Dr.D's.  

Echinacea tea is good too.  Have to check it for A's.  

Taking pharmaceuticals is up to you.  Typically, I think you'll find they may do what they say, or part of it, but for me, there was always a cost.  Like sluggishness for a week.  So, you either fight the flu and it's symptoms, or fight the symptoms of the medicine.  And still probably be fighting the flu, because I doubt it really makes it go away.  It may make the symptoms go away.

Also, Holy Basil is a good anti inflammatory.  I will resort to taking an Ibuprofen / tylenol / aspirin every now and then if the inflammation is bad enough and the holy basil doesn't dent it.  So, I don't judge you for taking drugs.  But I don't typically take anything for a flu and fever unless it's real bad and I get my heart arrhythmias.  That's when it's hard to stop them.  

I'll say a prayer for you.  Rest up if you can.  Watch some good old movies or something and get some chicken soup in you.  Or good teas.  You'll get over it.  I hate getting sick because I feel like I've gone to the depths of the earth and I'll never get out of it.  I'm not dramatic about practtically anything, at least externally, but my mind can be very dramatic on me, especially when I'm sick.


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I generally take Sudaphed to relieve nasal congestion, and Benadryl only at night to relieve nasal discharge.  Otherwise, I can develop a sinus infection.  This combination also works to prevent cough, so I don't take cough medicine.  I will also consider taking Advil if pain or delirium from fever interferes with sleep.  I like Immodium for diarrhea.  However, if I'm also vomiting, I don't take anything at all.  Usually when there's stomach involvement, it lasts only about 8 - 12 hours anyway.

This is not meant as medical advice.  I only want to share information on what works for me.  Also, I've omitted the non-pharmaceutical therapies that I use.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Oooo, I'd be careful of that Sudafed (pseudoephedrine).  It makes me very jittery.  I go for something with phenylephrine as the active ingredient if I need a decongestant because it's less stimulating.
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Proberry, miracle flue season boost!!  




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You might want to consider Polyflora for your type if you have some on hand?
Vitamin C from cherries? Are you good on D3?

Get your rest. We're wishing you the best and I'm saying a little prayer for you now.


I thought Dr. D cautioned about cykotine storm from elderberry with swine flu after onset.
Maybe I'm misremembering something I read.


Movies-- comedies, please.  

Maybe get a boost of Vitamin C from peas if you've got sinus stuff going on. I've heard that veggies heal and fruits cleanse and that fruit is best avoided when sinuses are an issue.



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it pays to search the forums, good point from AKArtlover ... I was not part of this BTD/GTD/Swami way of life when everyone was worrying about swine flue, so I did not know about the warning ... I also find out something about avoiding 15-35 age group ...  




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echinacea or olive leaves  work fine too   wish you a superquick recovery .....


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At the first signs of the flu or cold, feeling aching or just not feeling right, i always take Oscillococcinum. It is a homeopathic remedy for the flu.

I'm not sure at this point if it will make much difference but it couldn't hurt to take it. I always have it in the house because it it best to take at the first signs of the illness.
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Pharmaceuticals can only suppress symptoms, not help you get better any faster. Sometimes they even slow healing, as your body now has to detox from the drugs AND fight off the infection, rather than just fighting off the infection.

The best things you can do is get enough fluids and enough sleep. Supplements such as vitamin C and elderberry can also help promote healing. Listen to your body; eat if you're hungry and skip food if you're not. Try to select as many beneficial foods as possible and minimize or avoid processed sugars.

Pharmaceuticals do have their place. If symptoms are so uncomfortable that you can't sleep, then taking one dose at bedtime can help break the cycle and get you into a healing sleep. That's far easier on the body than taking drugs 24 hours a day while ill.


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Oooo, I'd be careful of that Sudafed (pseudoephedrine).  It makes me very jittery.  I go for something with phenylephrine as the active ingredient if I need a decongestant because it's less stimulating.
Ahh, yes, well before the BTD, I needed that stimulation because I was so sluggish and foggy from all the avoids I used to eat.  Now, though, I suppose I'd have trouble tolerating it.



My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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hello,

thank you to everyone for the help, at lot of really valuable advice  

I have't yet taken any drugs, but have been taking around 6000mg of vitamin C a day split into 3 doses - I'm not having loose bowel movements so think I could possibly go even higher... not sure

sleeping constantly now - wake up to drink and eat. I have mixed a bit of hemp protein in juice a few times when I haven't had the stomach to chew anything - i realised after not eating for a long time that it made the vertigo worse. Unfortunately i really need quite a lot of food in my system to take vitamins without feeling nauseaus

I have some D3 somewhere lying around...I think i left it at university though  

It's traditional in some countries to have 12 different types of fruits in the house for new years... last i counted we have 17.

happy new years everyone   and thanks once again. You guys are awsome x
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squarepeg - ive heard of sudafed, i think we have it here.. I haven't tried it before though...

a few weeks ago when reading about G6pd deficiency it said something about avoiding pseudoephedrine, so i think it best to avoid with my dodgy liver

I've lost count of the times when I've been ill and taken antibiotics, only to get even worse. I have a friend who can take them on an empty stomach! amazing.
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I remembered reading this little account about swine flu and D3 last year.
It's not a double blind study.  

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/newsletter/vitamin-d-and-h1n1-swine-flu.shtml


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At the first signs of the flu or cold, feeling aching or just not feeling right, i always take Oscillococcinum. It is a homeopathic remedy for the flu.

I'm not sure at this point if it will make much difference but it couldn't hurt to take it. I always have it in the house because it it best to take at the first signs of the illness.


I agree!  Between Oscillococcinum and Yin Chaio, most flu viruses never have a chance to set in.

I take ProBerry liquid and Elderberry tincture daily as a preventative, as well as a generous dose of Vit. C from Amla berries (corn-free).

Olive Leaf is a good choice if you're already sick.



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Vertigo for me usually means either sinus movement, or dehydration.  Make sure you're getting enough fluids.  

Yeah, Olive Leaf is usually a very good killer of bad stuff.  I have something called oregomax also, which is just a nice jolt of oregano, and a few other natural spices and herbs.  That'll kick the bad guys pretty good also.

Sleep is good.  Don't fight that.  I hope you get better soon.  For such a young gal, you really do seem to know a thing or two and I commend you for that.  


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art lover - D3... the power of that little hormone -  I have a book by Sorem Khalsa - the vitamin D revolution. It's amazing what it can do! - there was a programme on the radio about a woman who had arthritic pain for a few years and took vitamin D and it went away after 2 weeks - wowza!  

i think a bit of sunbathing on holiday is always good..  

being deprived of any sunlight whatsoever in London at the moment, is 2000iu a day enough?
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I agree!  Between Oscillococcinum and Yin Chaio, most flu viruses never have a chance to set in.

I take ProBerry liquid and Elderberry tincture daily as a preventative, as well as a generous dose of Vit. C from Amla berries (corn-free).

Olive Leaf is a good choice if you're already sick.


I will get some Oscillococcinum and Yin Chaio for the future - i usually keep some things for emergencies but I've only got flu about twice before in my life - mum used to give me cod liver oil, lecithin, bee pollen and a crushed multivitamin and vitamin C capsule on top.

proberry sounds so yummy, i am also a big fan of chinese medicine. sometimes wonder whether i should go down that route...

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im going to ask a friend to get me some olive leaf itomorrow f she can, but she might not be able to. There is an elderberry syrup available but i dont know if it's suitable   i think it is for 'seasonal and respiratory health'

Pure Vegetable Source GlycerineElderberry Juice (Sambucus nigra) Manuka Honey Active 14+ Thyme Leaf (Thymus vulgaris) Aniseed (Pimpinella anisum) Licorice Root (Glycyrrhiza glabra) Horseradish Root (Armoracia rusticana) Pippali Fruit (Piper longum) Black Pepper Seed (Piper nigrum) Ginger Root (Zingiber officinale) Alcohol w/v ?1.2%.

probably tinctures are better

I've been trying to add ginger to my foods which seems to help with the nausea too. Had some kiwis and grapes from the fruit bowl. I don't feel like drinking - it's becomming a real problem. JUices are better than water so i try to dilute them to minimise all the sugars im consuming from the fruit. Getting through quite alot of apple juice.   the room goes fuzzy when i stand up so i'm lying horizontal most of the time. tired now, back to bed

I don't know what virus this is but it seems vicious - i don't know why im wheezing now and my chest hurts. sit it out sit is out...
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